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Written Answers

Volume 8: debated on Tuesday 7 July 1981

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Written Answers To Questions

Tuesday 7 July 1981

Prime Minister

Mexico

Q4.

Yes. I shall attend the International Meeting on Co-operation and Development at Cancun, Mexico on 22 and 23 October.

Council House Sales

Q5.

asked the Prime Minister whether she will make a statement on the progress of the Government's policy of enabling council tenants to buy their council houses; and whether all councils in England and Wales are now operating the law in that regard.

The great majority of local authorities are making satisfactory progress with council house sales. A number, however, have been told by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Environment that he is considering the use of his powers of intervention.The number of council tenants in England and Wales who have now applied to buy their homes under the 1980 Housing Act is more than a quarter of a million.

Boddam

Q6.

asked the Prime Minister if she will make an official visit to Boddam in the constituency of Aberdeenshire, East.

Engagements

Q7

asked the Prime Minister whether she will list her official engagements for 7 July.

Q8

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 7 July.

Q9

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 7 July.

Q10

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 7 July.

Q11

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 7 July.

Q12

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 7 July.

Q13

asked the Prime Minister if she will list he official engagements for 7 July.

Q14

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 7 July.

Q15

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 7 July.

Q16

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 7 July.

Q17

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 7 July.

Q18

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 7 July.

Q19

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 7 July.

Q20

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 7 July.

Q21 Mr. Heddle asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 7 July Q22 Mr. Bidwell asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 7 July Q23 Mr. Stephen Ross asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 7 July.

Q24

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 7 July.

Q25

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 7 July.

Q26

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 7 July,

Q27

asked the Prime Minister what are her official engagements for Tuesday 7 July.

Q28

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 7 July.

Q30

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 7 July.

Q31

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 7 July.

Q32

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 7 July.

Q33

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 7 July.

Q34

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 7 July.

Q35

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 7 July.

Q36

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 7 July.

Q37

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 7 July.

Q38

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 7 July.

Q39

asked the Prime Minister whether she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 7 July.

asked the Prime Minister whether she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 7 July.

This morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others. In addition to my duties in the House I shall be having further meetings later today.

Long-Term Unemployed Persons

Q29.

asked the Prime Minister what steps the Government are taking to relieve poverty amongst the long-term unemployed.

We have every sympathy with the problems faced by those who have been unemployed for a long time. The supplementary benefit scheme is intended to meet basic need and is available to unemployed people who have drawn their full entitlement of unemployment benefit or whose unemployment benefit is unsufficient to meet normal requirements. We must give all the unemployed the hope of worthwhile jobs in the future by tackling the fundamental economic problems which have made our economy especially vulnerable in the recession.

Council For Wales

asked the Prime Minister if she will set up a Council for Wales, comprising representatives of the 37 district and eight county councils of Wales, together with the 36 hon. Members and four Members of the European Parliament from Wales, to serve as a preliminary step towards an all-Wales forum to assist in developing Government policy for the good of Wales.

I see no need to add a new forum to the existing arrangements which enable elected Members of the House to participate in the development of Government policy for Wales.

St Vincent And The Grenadines

asked the Prime Minister why Her Majesty's Government are prepared to offer military assistance to St. Vincent and the Grenadines.

Her Majesty's Government are providing St. Vincent and the Grenadines with assistance and training for the establishment of a coastguard. This is a normal requirement for an archipelagic State.

asked the Prime Minister if Her Majesty's Government will offer food aid and economic development assistance to St. Vincent and the Grenadines.

We have not been asked to provide food aid but are continuing to provide both capital aid and technical co-operation. Expenditure in 1980–81 was about £1¼ million, including £500,000 for hurricane rehabilitation.

Small Businesses (Departmental Co-Ordination)

asked the Prime Minister whether she is satisfied with the co-ordination between the Department of Industry and other Departments responsible for schemes which affect small businesses, and in particular (a) with the Department of Health and Social Security on the level of earnings subject to national insurance contributions in defining a small firm for the purposes of compensating employers under the proposed statutory sick payment scheme and (b) with the Department of Employment about the minimum number of redundancies necessary before a firm can benefit from the short-time working compensation scheme.

The Department of Industry takes a positive interest in all issues of concern to small businesses. The Government regularly reappraise all aspects of our extensive programme of special employment measures, including the minimum qualifying number of redundancies under the temporary short-time working compensation scheme. My hon. Friend the Member for Norfolk, South (Mr. MacGregor) the Under-Secretary of State for Industry, has made clear to small firms representative bodies his interest in, and his willingness to discuss, their views on the proposed employers' statutory sick pay scheme, over and above any dealings they may have direct with the Department of Health and Social Security.

Factory Closures

asked the Prime Minister how many hon. Members she has seen on matters relating to factory closures since she last answered oral questions; and how many jobs are expected to be lost in the closures discussed.

Home Department

Crimes (Statistics)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what were the percentage increases in 1980 compared with 1979 in (a) homicide, (b) theft, (c) fraud, (d) violence against the person, (e) burglary and (f) riots.

The figures for 1979 and 1980 are published in table 3 of Home Office "Statistical Bulletin 5/81", copies of which are available in the Library of the House. Recorded figures for 1980 are not precisely comparable with figures for previous years because of the introduction on 1 January 1980 of a new, more comprehensive set of counting rules. This is unlikely to have affected appreciably the numbers of offences recorded for homicide, violence against the person, burglary and riot which in 1980 were respectively 1 per cent. lower, 2 per cent. higher, 13 per cent. higher and 100 per cent. higher than in 1979. The numbers of recorded offences of homicide—620 in 1980—and of riot—6 in 1980—are liable to vary considerably from year to year.

Borstal Trainees (Mothers)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) how many borstal trainees have their babies with them in borstal; where they are located; and what is the age of each baby and each mother;(2) what are the offences and sentences of those borstal trainees who have babies with them in borstal.

On 30 June 1981, nine young women sentenced to borstal training had their babies with them in custody in mother and baby units, eight at Styal and one at Holloway. The respective ages of the babies and their mothers at Styal were 11 weeks and 17 years; 26 weeks and 17 years; 6 weeks and 18 years; 9 weeks and 18 years; 1 week and 19 years; 3 weeks and 19 years; 24 weeks and 21 years; 24 weeks and 21 years; and at Holloway, 4 weeks and 18 years. The offences of the mothers were burglary—five—attempted burglary, arson, wounding and theft.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if any borstal trainees have had their babies removed from them in the last 12 months; and, if so, what was the reason, the age of the baby and its disposal.

In the 12 months ending 31 May 1981, 10 borstal trainees had their babies placed in the community, either at birth or within 14 weeks' thereof, eight at the mother's own request and two for reasons of the child's safety. Five, including the latter two, were taken into care by the local authority; three went to relatives; and two were adopted.

Women In Custody (Childbirths)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what were the charges against each of the 11 women who gave birth while in custody awaiting trial or sentence; what happened to each of the babies; and what was the sentence imposed on each of the women.

The information requested, which relates to the year ending 31 May 1981, is as follows:

ChargeCourt disposal, etc.Location of baby
(1) TheftNon-custodialWith mother, who was bailed from maternity hospital
(2) Illegal importation of drugs12 months10 days in local authority care, then with mother*
(3) Manslaughter of childAwaiting trialWith inmates' parents
(4) Burglary28 daysWith mother*
(5) Illegal importation of drugs30 monthsInitially with mother*; to inmates' parents after sentence
(6) TheftNon-custodialWith mother*
(7) Illegal importation of drugsAwaiting trialWith mother*
(8) Illegal entryRemoved from United KingdomWith mother*
(9) TheftNon-custodialWith mother*
(10) TheftNon-custodialWith mother*
(11) MurderOn bail, awaiting trialWith mother*
* In prison mother and baby unit.

Wormwood Scrubs Prison (Incident)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when the police are likely to complete their inquiry into the incident at Wormwood Scrubs prison on 31 August 1979.

It is not yet possible to say when the police are likely to complete their inquiry.

Electronic Bugging

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he is satisfied with the degree of legislative supervision of electronic bugging.

The unlicensed use of radio for aural surveillance is prohibited. The importation and manufacture of radio surveillance equipment operating on frequencies between 88 and 108 MHz is controlled, under the Wireless Telegraphy Acts 1949 and 1967; and I exercise my licensing powers to support the prohibition of illicit surveillance. I have no current plans for any flesh legislation in this area.

Police (Computers)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many cases have been brought before the courts in respect of misuse of the police national computer for each of the years of its operation.

Such prosecutions are a matter for individual chief officers of police and no separate central records are kept.

Television Licences

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will consider allowing refunds on colour television licences surrendered with an excess of six months to run.

No. The grounds on which refunds may be given must be limited if the licensing system is not to become unmanageable.

Escorted Prisoners (Escape)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will make a statement on the escape of the four men under escort when being driven from Canterbury prison to Tunbridge Wells on Wednesday 24 June in a hired minivan; why such a van was hired and at what cost; and what precautions are made to check on the reputations of the minicab firms used on such occasions.

On 24 June 1981, on the M2 motorway, four prisoners from Canterbury prison overpowered the three escorting officers, freed themselves from their handcuffs and took control of the minibus in which they were being driven to Tunbridge Wells magistrates' court. They then drove the vehicle, three prison officers and the civilian driver who had been handcuffed together to South-East London before making off. The prison governor has carried out an inquiry into the incident: there was no suggestion of negligence or collusion by prison staff or civilians involved.Taxis and minibuses are routinely used to convey prisoners to court. Governors have instructions to make careful inquiries of the reliability and reputation of hire firms before letting contracts. The cost of the minibus on this occasion was £31·25.

Reverend Sun Myung Moon

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will ensure that he will not admit into the United Kingdom the Reverend Sun Myung Moon or not do so until first discussing this with the Government of the United States of America to ascertain their views on this question.

Mr. Moon has been advised not to travel to the United Kingdom without first seeking an entry clearance. If he were to apply for an entry clearance, it would be necessary to consider whether leave to enter should be refused on the ground that his exclusion is conducive to the public good. Any relevant information, from the United States or elsewhere, would be taken into account.

Meryn Leroy Phillips

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will cause an investigation to be made to ascertain how and in what way Meryn Leroy Phillips an 18-year-old West Indian youth with a perfect health record died suddenly whilst held in custody in Ashford remand centre.

City Of London And Metropolitan Police Forces (Amalgamation)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether, as a means of saving expense and increasing the Metropolitan Police manpower, he will take whatever action may prove necessary, including legislation, to amalgamate the City of London Police with the Metropolitan Police.

Sporting Events (Police Crowd Control)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will give, for the longest and most convenient stated period of time, and if possible covering the period of the Test matches, Ascot races and the Wimbledon tennis tournament, the number of police engaged on crowd control at these events; and to what extent, and on what basis of charge, private organisations are charged for the costs of the police supplied and used inside the establishments where these events are held.

I understand from the chief officers of police concerned that the information requested that is readily available is as follows:

EventDatesNo. of police officers deployed each day
Ascot races17–20 June 1980211
21 June 1980171
Wimbledon tennis tournament22–27, 29, 30
June 1981130
Trent Bridge test match18–20 June 198132
21 June 198127
As in all such cases, the organisers of these events are required to meet the full economic cost of providing police officers for duty within the grounds concerned.

Dunham Brindley And Linn (Correspondence)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will investigate the reasons why letters sent by Dunham Brindley and Linn, Solicitors, of 16 Bore Street, Lichfield, requesting an oath of allegiance to be signed by Mr. A. Noor of 81 Scotch Orchard, Lichfield, on 3 April, 23 April and 22 May 1981 remained unanswered by the Immigration and Nationality Department at Lunar House, Wellesley Road, Croydon; and if he will make a statement.

Mrs. Noor's application for registration as a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies was approved on 4 March. Her solicitors were informed of this on the same day and Mrs. Noor was asked through them to pay the appropriate fee. The fee was received on 8 April. The next step should have been to send her the form on which she could take the oath of allegiance. However, before the fee was received the papers had been sent to Birmingham in connection with an appeal concerning the entry of Mr. Nesar Ahmed as Mr. Noor's son. We are sorry that as a result the oath form was inadvertently not sent and the solicitors received no replies to their letters.The appropriate form has now been sent to the solicitors. Mrs. Noor's certificate of registration as a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies will be sent to her as soon as she has taken the oath and returned the form to the nationality division.

Television (Satellite Transmissions)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what measures he intends to take to prevent the transmission by satellite to the United Kingdom of television programmes that would contravene domestic broadcasting regulations.

An international plan for direct broadcasting by satellite—DBS—in Europe was agreed at the world broadcasting-satellite administrative radio conference of the International Telecommunications Union in 1977. Each country is free to use the channels assigned to it for DBS services as it chooses provided that the transmissions conform to the plan, which is based mainly on the provision of national services with the minimum possible overspill of these services into neighbouring countries. There is no provision in the plan for the broadcasting of services from one country to another, though at the request of certain countries limited provision has been made for services covering more than one country—for example the Nordic group of countries.The implications of the unavoidable overspill of one country's DBS transmissions into another are discussed in the report "Direct Broadcasting by Satellite: A Home Office Study", which I published on 19 May and on which I invited comments by the end of July.

Motoring Offences

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will take steps to reclassify most motoring offences as contraventions punishable by fixed penalties rather than as crimes, as recommended by the Justices Clerks Society.

We are naturally anxious to consider means of reducing the pressures on the courts. The Government, as indicated in the foreword to the report of the inter-departmental working party on road traffic law, have already accepted the principle of extending the fixed penalty system to a wider range of motoring offences. We are giving careful consideration to the proposals which the Justices Clerks Society has made.

Entry Certificates

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many parents from the Indian Sub-continent have been refused an entry certificate to visit their children in the United Kingdom; and if he will give the figures for each of the last five years for each high commission.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is his policy towards parents from the Indian Sub-continent seeking entry certificates to visit their children legitimately settled here; and what proportion of applications are rejected in the belief that their intention is to become permanent residents.

Entry certificates, which are optional for visitors, enable Commonwealth citizens who are in doubt to check in advance on their eligibility for admission to the United Kingdom. Applications to British representatives overseas are determined in accordance with the relevant paragraphs of the immigration rules. I regret that the information requested in the second part of the question is not available.

Parents And Foster Parents (Probation Case Conferences)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will seek to make it a statutory right for parents and foster parents to be present or represented at any probation case conference at which their child's future is to be discussed.

Children are generally supervised by the probation service in pursuance of the decision of a court in criminal or domestic proceedings. I consider it right for the probation officer responsible for supervision to have discretion to decide whether parents or foster parents should be invited to take part in any discussion he may have with colleagues about the child; any further decision about the child's future would be taken during court proceedings, which parents may attend.

Open Channel Radio

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he intends to reply to the letter of 9 April from the hon. Member for Falmouth and Cambourne, conveying the observations of Mrs. L. Bevington on citizens band radio.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if, in the light of the delay in the issue of test and development licences to potential manufacturers and importers of citizens band radio equipment, he will speed up the issuing.

Applications for licences for testing and development and for more general evaluation of citizens band radio equipment are now being processed as quickly as possible.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) what is the extent of representations that he has received from those supporting AM wavebands for citizens band radio; and what consultations he plans to hold with such bodies;

(2) pursuant to his reply to the hon. Member for Bolton, East, on 1 July, Official Report, c. 393, whether he intends to have any further consultations on citizens band radio or whether those are now completed.

A number of organisations and many individuals have pressed us to introduce a 27 MHz citizens band service using AM. However, we cannot ignore the mounting evidence of the interference caused by illicit citizens band AM transmissions and we remain committed to introducing a 27 MHz FM service in the autumn. We will shortly be taking the advice of the advisory committee established under section 9 of the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949 on the regulations we propose to introduce to control interference from citizens band equipment.

Prisoners (Drug Treatment)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will now correct the reply given to the hon. Member for Wolverhampton, North-East on 21 January 1980, Official Report, column 16, that Benperidol was first used in prisons in 1971.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when the drug Benperidol was first administered to prisoners in Wormwood Scrubs prison.

Benperidol was first prescribed for a prisoner in Wormwood Scrubs in 1971.

Television (Social Effects)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) if he will set up an inquiry involving both the British Broadcasting Corporation and the Independent Broadcasting Authority into the effects of violence on television with a view to establishing policy guidelines which would establish effective control over the showing of violent scenes on television; and if he will make a statement;(2) to what extent he regards it as his function, and to what extent that of the broadcasting authorities, to monitor the social effects of television, on the level of crime, violence or other social evils; and if it is his practice to discuss these matters with the broadcasting authorities;(3) if he has studied the recent research by Dr. William Belson on the subject of violence on television; and if he will make a statement on any conclusions he has drawn from this research;(4) if he will make a study of the effect on children under 15 years of age of violence on television.

As trustees of the public interest in broadcasting the BBC and the IBA are responsible for maintaining the standards of the programmes they broadcast. Research into the effects of their programmes also properly falls to them to undertake. We do not intervene with the broadcasting authorities in the discharge of this responsibility, but the importance which the Government attach to the question of programme standards is on public record and is well known to them. In carrying out their responsibility each authority has drawn up and keeps under review a code relating to the portrayal of violence on television, their present codes being contained in a joint publication issued in February 1980. I am aware of the research study by Dr. William Belson, published in 1978, on television violence and the adolescent boy, and it would have been available to the broadcasting authorities when they last reviewed their codes.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will list in the Official Report any countries which to his knowledge have reduced or restricted either the hours of, or days on which, television is shown, due to the adverse social effects engendered by excessive television viewing.

Police (Tactical Firearms Units)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many police forces in the United Kingdom have tactical firearms units; which they are; what is the range of equipment they use; in what circumstances it is intended that they should be used; by what written code of instruction they are controlled; by what authority they have been established; and which police authorities have been consulted about their being created.

Most forces have units trained in the tactical use of firearms for incidents where a threat to life may require their use. Details are not held centrally.

Breakfast Television

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if the British Broadcasting Corporation has had any discussions with him about the financial consequences of the extra costs it will incur should it introduce breakfast television to compete with the service to be introduced by Independent Television; and if he will make a statement.

It is for the board of governors of the BBC to decide how to allocate the corporation's resources, and there have been no discussions with the corporation about the financial consequences or any other aspects of its plans for breakfast television.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what representations he has received about the introduction of breakfast television.

Seven opposing its introduction in addition to the representations from my hon. Friend.

Dr Clift

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what factors led to the investigation which led to doubts about Dr. Clift's work as a forensic scientist for the Home Office.

Doubts about some of Dr. Clift's work resulted from a review of laboratory case work undertaken as part of the quality assurance schemes, which I described in answer to a question by the right hon. Gentleman on 1 July 1981.

Police Radar Equipment

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is Home Office specification BR14 as applied to police radar equipment; to what it is applied; and to what purpose.

The Home Office leaflet BR14 sets out the technical and operating conditions relating to the use of radio frequencies for low power, non-speech devices as part of the overall framework of radio regulation which is designed to ensure the efficient use of the radio spectrum and to prevent as far as possible the risk of interference between different users of radio. Police radar equipment using the 10·587 GHz band must meet the conditions appropriate to the use of that band as set out in the leaflet.

Attorney-General

In Re W Trial (Transcript)

asked the Attorney-General if he will place in the Library a copy of the transcript of the case In re W (a minor) heard in the Divisional Court on 15 June.

The decision was that of the Court of Appeal. A transcript of the judgment has been placed in the Library.

Broken Marriages (Cost)

asked the Attorney-General if he will make an estimate of the cost to the State of broken marriages in terms of the cost of legal aid granted in matters concerning marriage breakdown.

No separate figures for marriage breakdown are available. The gross cost of legal aid for all matrimonial proceedings in the High Court and county courts in the financial year 1980–81 was £30·16 million.The net annual cost of legal advice and assistance in connection with divorce and judicial separation for the financial year 1980–81 was £7·59 million.

Overseas Development

Vietnam, Laos And Kampuchea

asked the Lord Privy Seal what is the value of bilateral or multilateral British aid to Vietnam, Laos and Kampuchea for each year from and including 1975.

United Kingdom bilateral aid—including food and relief aid—was as follows:

1975

1976

1977

1978

1979

1980

£ thousands

Laos858100459122913
Cambodia661230

*785

*3,419

Vietnam114261,2131,454†7,505†1,130

* All aid provided to Cambodia in 1979 and 1980 was for humanitarian and relief purposes. It was provided through British and multilateral relief agencies, for application within Cambodia or on the Cambodia/Thai border, in most cases at their discretion.

† The 1979 and 1980 figures include commitments under the Aid and Trade Provision for the provision of 4 cargo vessels (£4·463 million) and gas turbines (£2·887 million), which were entered into by the previous Administration, and food aid (£0·925 million).

Total multilateral aid, of which the Unted Kingdom bore a share, was as follows:

1975

1976

1977

1978

1979

$ thousands

Laos6,3004,4005,70029,00027,700
Cambodia2,30020010010083,300
Vietnam30,60018,60047,600161,200106,800

Figures for multilateral aid in 1980 are not yet available.

Trade

Bankruptcies And Insolvencies

asked the Secretary of State for Trade (1) what has been the number of bankruptcy cases dealt with by county courts in (a) the Northern region, (b) Durham county and (c) Bishop Auckland parliamentary constituency for each of the last five years, and for the first six months of 1981; what has been the percentage change in each year for each area; and what has been the percentage change in each area in the first six months of 1981 compared with the same period in 1980;(2) what has been the number of bankruptcies and insolvencies in England and Wales for the past five years, and for the first six months of 1981; what has been the percentage change in each year; and what has been the percentage change in the first six months of 1981 compared with the same period in 1980.

Hovercraft (Operating Permits)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade if he will take environmental factors into consideration when considering whether to allow an operating permit under the Hovercraft (General) Order 1972.

Wales

Compulsory Purchase Order (Arfon)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales on what dates his Department received letters from Arfon borough council concerning the Bodlondeb, Cwm-y-glo, compulsory purchase order 1980; on what dates responses were sent; and if he will make a statement on the latest position.

Letters form Arfon borough council concerning the Arfon borough council, Bodlondeb (Cwm-y-Glo) compulsory purchase order 1980 were received by the Welsh Office on 11 August 1980, 16 September 1980, 15 December 1980, 12 February 1981, 13 April 1981, 8 May 1981 and 18 June 1981.Responses to the council were made on 17 September 1980, 16 December 1980, 21 January 1981 and 14 April 1981 and 2 July 1981.A decision on the order might be held to prejudice litigation which concerns the order land. The Welsh Office is attempting to reach agreement with the parties concerned on how to proceed to a decision in advance of the High Court action.

Council For The Principality

asked the Secretary of State for Wales with what frequency he meets with the Council for the Principality; who determines the agenda; and what matters are discussed.

The Council for the Principality and the Welsh Counties Committee are represented on the Welsh Consultative Council on Local Government Finance which meets as necessary under my chairmanship. There were six meetings during 1980.The agenda, which is determined jointly by the Welsh Office and the two local authority associations, comprises matters concerning local government finance in Wales, such as rate support grant, current and capital expenditure and manpower statistics.I also met representatives of both associations in December 1980 when unemployment was discussed at their request.

Less Favoured Areas (North Carmarthen)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales why much of northern, hilly areas of north Carmarthen have not been added to the European Economic Community less-favoured areas.

A substantial part of north Carmarthen already lies within the less-favoured areas. The case for any extension is still under consideration.

Prescriptions

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will publish in the Official Report for each health area in Wales the number of

Number of prescriptions (thousands)
ClwydDyfedGwentGwyneddMid GlamorganPowysSouth GlamorganWest Glamorgan
November 1980234·4210·7303·4137·6412·147·4257·8279·2
April 1981242·7216·1302·9141·0420·647·4259·3286·1

Welsh Water Authority

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if, in future appointments, he will give greater representation to the interests of the consumer within the Welsh water authority area.

My right hon. Friends the Secretaries of State for the Environment and for Trade and I are giving further consideration to the matter of consumer representation in the water industry. In doing so we shall bear in mind the Monopolies and Mergers Commission's recent report on the Severn-Trent water authority.

Unemployed Persons (Neath)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales by what percentage the level of unemployment has risen in the Neath travel-to-work area since May 1979.

Llanystumdwy (Bypass)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will now make a statement in relation to Gwynedd county council's proposals for the construction of a bypass at Llanystumdwy.

As I told the hon. Member in my letter of 11 June, provided the scheme is given high priority by the county council in its next transport policies and programme submission, it will be given favourable consideration for support through transport supplementary grant within, of course, the limits of the funds available.

National Finance

National Heritage And Capital Taxation

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is now in a position to indicate when, and in what form, the Government's policy will be announced in relation to the report of the Select Committee on the national heritage and capital taxation.

The education, Science and Arts Select Committee's interim report on works of art—HOC 275—raises important issues which merit careful consideration. The Government will publish a full response as soon as practicable.

prescriptions—items—prescribed for the last month for which figures are available as compared with the last month before each prescription item was increased to £1.

Broken Marriages (Periodical Payments Orders)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will estimate the cost to the state of broken marriages in terms of tax relief granted in periodical payments orders.

Royal Wedding Crowns

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the cost of minting the Royal Wedding crowns and the unit cost of (a) the plastic wallets and (b) the presentation cases.

It is not the practice to give information relating to production costs which could be of value to the Royal Mint's competitors.

Industry (Employee Share Ownership)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what measures the Government have taken in the past two years to encourage schemes of employee share ownership in industry; if he will publish figures to illustrate this; and what percentage of the schemes involves voting shares.

[pursuant to his reply, 29 June 1981, c. 249]: In last year's Finance Act we expanded the tax reliefs available for profit sharing schemes approved under the Finance Act 1978 and introduced a new relief for employees who participate in approved savings-related share option schemes. It is difficult to gauge the effect of last year's measures precisely, but the level of applications for approval of schemes continues to be encouraging. The Inland Revenue estimates that more than 90 per cent. of the schemes involve voting shares.

Revenue Yield

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the amount of revenue which will be raised for each of the 13 individual increases in the duties as set out in Press Notice 684, 2 July 1981, paragraph 3 of the Notes to Editors.

[pursuant to his reply, 6 July 1981]: It is estimated that the increases will yield additional revenue as follows:

Increase in dutyRevenue: £ million
1981–82full year
Cigarettes6085
Cigars510
Hand Rolling tobacco
Other smoking and chewing tobacco
Off-course betting815
Bingo58
Gaming machine licences77
TOTAL85115
The estimates have not been further subdivided.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the amount of revenue raised for (a) each 1p of duty per litre of derv, (b) each £1 per 1,000 cigarettes of duty and (c) each £1 per kilogram of duty for (i) cigars, (ii) handrolling tobacco and (iii) other smoking and chewing tobacco, (d) each 1 per cent. of betting duty other than on-course bets and (e) each 1 per cent. of bingo duty on stakes.

[pursuant to his reply, 6 July 1981]: It is estimated that the average yields in a full year at the revised rates announced on 2 July will be as follows:

  • (a) about £70 million,
  • (b) about £135 million,
  • (c) (i) about £21/2 million,
  • (ii) about £5 million,
  • (iii) about £4 million,
  • (d) about £35 million,
  • (e) about £4 million.
  • Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

    Common Agricultural Policy

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if the Government intend to pursue changes in the European Economic Community common agricultural policy in the near future; and if it is current Government policy to insist on a freeze on common agricultural policy prices for products which are in structural surplus.

    I refer the hon. Member to the replies which I gave on 21 May to my hon. Friends the Members for Northampton, North (Mr. Marlow) and for Faversham (Mr. Moate).—[Vol. 5, c. 408, and c. 130.]

    Green Pound

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if the Government aims to devalue the green pound in the near future.

    The Government have no plans to alter the value of the green pound in the near future.

    Strawberry Imports

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if, in view of the threat to United Kingdom producers of the offering for sale of processed strawberries from Eastern European States at prices substantially below the costs of production within the Community and the United Kingdom, he will press the Commission to institute, under the sensitive products surveillance system, a minimum import price.

    I recognise the growers' concerns, but a minimum import price system would not be a practical or appropriate means of meeting them. I shall monitor the situation closely in consultation with the Commission, in the interests of producers, processors and consumers.

    Industry

    Public Bodies (Redundancy Payments)

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he is responsible for approving the redundancy payments made to chairmen and board members of nationalised industries and public corporations for which he is responsible.

    The Secretary of State is responsible for determining any compensation for loss of office as chairman or board members in accordance with the appropriate legislation.

    Shipbuilding

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry what has been the tonnage for new ships placed by British shipowners (a) with British yards and (b) abroad in the latest available year.

    In the year 1980 orders for merchant ships—100 gross tons and over—for United Kingdom registration amounted to 287,000 compensated gross registered tons—cgrts—for United Kingdom yards and 447,000 cgrts for abroad.

    English Industrial Estates Corporation

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry what was the total area of industrial floor space allocated for industrial or service trade occupancy by the English Industrial Estates Corporation in each of the travel-to-work areas in (a) Cumbria, (b) the Northern region and (c) the North-West region for the last month for which statistics are available.

    [pursuant to his reply, 6 July 1981]: During the month of May 1981 the English Industrial Estates Corporation allocated the following floorspace, subject to contract:

    floorspace
    a) CumbriaNone
    b) Northern Region:
    South Tyne97M2 (1 unit)
    Hartlepool1,454M2 (1 unit)
    Teeside318M2 (1 unit)
    North West Durham385M2 (1 unit)
    2,254M2 (4 units)
    c) North-West Region
    Accrington1,454M2 (1 unit)
    Clitheroe279M2 (1 unit)
    Liverpool6,321M2 (6 units)
    Birkenhead3,439M2 (5 units)
    11,493M2 (13 units)

    Employment

    Apprenticeships

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will carry out a survey covering each industry to establish the numbers of apprentices that were taken on in each of the major industries for each of the last five years; and if he will seek to determine the level of apprenticeships necessary for the creation of a competitive position for United Kingdom industry, and the way in which they are to be trained.

    The number of apprentices taken on by industry has fallen over the last five years. Recent levels of apprentice recruitment may be insufficient to meet industry's anticipated future needs. The Government are currently considering whether there is scope for increasing the funds available for the training for skills programme without undermining employers' own efforts. The Government are concerned at the rigidities which surround apprenticeship, which of themselves make both predicting and meeting skill needs very difficult. Through the recent consultative document, "A New Training Initiative" we are seeking to encourage industry to make our skill training arrangements more efficient.

    Work Permits

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many work permits for non-United Kingdom citizens were issued for the most convenient year to date; and how this figure compares with those for the immediately preceding three years.

    The following table sets out the number of work permits issued in the years 1976, 1977, 1978 and 1979. The 1980 figures are expected to be available shortly and I shall then write to my hon. Friend.

    YearLong TermShort TermTotalTraineesGrant Total
    197611,9258,54520,4702,65123,121
    197710,6137,80118,4143,16421,578
    19789,6869,46319,1493,66222,811
    19798,3449,64917,9934,01022,003

    Industrial Employment (Supplementary Rates)

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what representations he has received from employees about the effect of supplementary rates on industrial employment.

    I have not as yet received representations from employees on this subject.

    Temporary Short-Time Working Compensation Scheme

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many small firms are automatically excluded from the scheme by setting the minimum number of redundancies necessary before an employer can benefit under the temporary short-time working compensation scheme at 10; and what would be the figure if number were to be set at five.

    The only firms that are automatically excluded from the scheme are those whose total labour force is fewer than 10. The last census of employment suggested that there were 749,356 establishments with fewer than 10 employees. There are 530,871 establishments with fewer than five employees.

    Manpower Services Commission (Funds)

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment if all Manpower Services Commission funds made available centrally by his Department are used solely for Manpower Services Commission projects in conjunction with local authorities and are within the control of his Department.

    Funds made available to the Manpower Services Commission for its grant-in-aid Class IV Vote 16 cover the costs of employment and rehabilitation services, training services, and central and regional manpower services as well as special programmes which provide the grants to youth opportunities programme sponsors. The commission acts as agent for the Department of Employment in providing grants to community enterprise programme sponsors, the funds for which are provided for in the Department of Employment: labour market services Class IV Vote 13. Some sponsors of both the youth opportunities programme and the community enterprise programme are local authorities. The Department of Employment accounts for both Votes.

    Unemployment Register

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment whether he will list in the Official Report the number of people (a) in Great Britain and (b) in Cambridgeshire who (i) entered the jobless register in each of the last 12 months and (ii) left the jobless register in each of the last 12 months.

    [pursuant to his reply, 3 July 1981, col .446]: The information for the average number of people in Great Britain joining the register at employment offices for the latest 12 months is published in my Department's press notice on unemployment and vacancies for June 1981, a copy of which is in the House of Commons Library. The figures are compiled for four or five weekly periods and are converted to a standard of 4⅓ week month and seasonally adjusted; and because they can be erratic, publication is in terms of averages for three months at a time.The following numbers of people joined and left the register at employment offices in Cambridgeshire. The figures are not comparable with the national published figures as they include "self-service" registrations and are not standardized and seasonally adjusted.

    PeriodJoining registerLeaving register
    5 weeks ending 12 June 803,8983,650
    4 weeks ending 10 July 804,8483,382
    5 weeks ending 14 August 804,9464,245
    4 weeks ending 11 September 803,8013,186
    4 weeks ending 9 October 803,7944,312
    5 weeks ending 13 November 804,4503,959
    4 weeks ending 11 December 803,7992,457
    5 weeks ending 15 January 814,2122,891
    4 weeks ending 12 February 813,8192,864
    4 weeks ending 12 March 812,9812,694
    4 weeks ending 9 April 813,4902,837
    5 weeks ending 14 May 813,4524,028

    Special Measures Programme (Allerdale)

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many additional places were sponsored by Allerdale district council under the special measures programmes for the last month for which statistics are available; and what is the total number of places now being supported by that authority.

    [pursuant to his reply, 6 July 1981]: Allerdale district council sponsored one new place for unemployed young people under the youth opportunities programme, and no new places for unemployed adults under the community enterprise programme in May 1981. The total number of places now supported by the authority is 252.

    Jobcentre (Warrington)

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many persons, both male and female, were placed in employment by the Warrington jobcentre in the last month for which statistics are available.

    [pursuant to his reply, 6 July 1981]: Two hundred and fifty-seven men and 238 women were placed in employment by Warrington employment office in the period 9 May 1981 to 5 June 1981, the latest period for which statistics are available.The actual number of job vacancies filled in Warrington during the period will have been much greater, as the proportion of all vacancies in the area filled by the Manpower Services Commission is estimated to be about a quarter.

    School Leavers

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many school leavers there were in (a) 1980 and (b) 1981 in the West Midlands, broken down according to local education authorities, who still have yet to receive an offer on the youth opportunities programme for the latest available date in accordance with the 1980 school leaver undertaking.

    [pursuant to his reply, 6 July 1981]: On 10 April 1980 there were 83 1979 school leavers who had yet to receive an offer of a place on the youth opportunities programme in the Midlands region. It is not possible to provide an analysis of this figure for the West Midlands or for local education authorities in the West Midlands.On 9 April 1981 there were 1,472 1980 school leavers in the West Midlands who had yet to receive an offer of a place on the youth opportunities programme.Information is not available regarding the number of 1979 school leavers still to receive an offer of a place. Currently there are 625 1980 school leavers awaiting an offer in the West Midlands. The following table gives a breakdown by local education authority of the 1980 school leavers yet to receive an offer at 9 April 1981 and those who currently remain.

    Authority

    1980 School Leavers left at 9 April 1981

    1980 School Leavers still to receive an offer

    Birmingham778315
    Hereford and Worcester158100
    Solihull3624
    Wolverhampton7615
    Dudley275
    Sandwell191121
    Staffordshire11315
    Shropshire2016
    Walsall423
    Warwickshire3011
    Coventry1Nil

    Civil Service

    Departmental Policy

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service whether she will make a statement on the results of his Department in achieving the Government's policy programme since his predecessor's reply to a similar question by the hon. Member for Melton on 19 June 1980.

    The principal objective has not changed since my predecessor replied to a similar question on 19 June last year.—[Vol. 986, c. 590–91.] It remains the achievement of a smaller and more efficient Civil Service, commanding the respect of the public and the pride of those who work in it. The Government's view of the specific priorities of the Civil Service Department are described in the White Paper on the future of the Civil Service Department—Cmnd. 8170. The White Paper on efficiency in the Civil Service—Cmnd. 8293—which was published on 1 July 1981, describes the progress we have made.

    Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

    Anglo-Iraqi Relations

    asked the Lord Privy Seal if he will make a statement on the present position with regard to Anglo-Iraqi relations following the Israeli raid on the nuclear plant near Baghdad.

    Relations between Iraq and the United Kingdom remain close and harmonious. We were glad to welcome on a successful visit to London last month the Iraqi Trade Minister, Mr. Hassan Ali.

    Departmental Policy

    asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he will make a statement on the results of his Department in achieving the Government's policy programme since he answered a similar question from the hon. Member for Melton on 18 June 1980.

    We have made progress in the following ways in the implementation of our policies.In the past 12 months we have engaged in sustained and successful efforts to consult closely with our partners and allies in the European Community and the Atlantic Alliance.The communiqué issued in Rome in May by the Foreign Ministers of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation was a signal of the unity and determination of the Alliance. The Allies have held successful consultations on political and economic measures to be taken in the event of external intervention by force in Poland.We have made progress towards closer political co-operation with our European Community partners. The Venice declaration on the Middle East, issued by the European Council last June, has been followed up by consultations with the parties concerned. On the eve of the United Kingdom's assumption of the Presidency, the Ten launched on 30 June a proposal for a two-stage conference about a settlement in Afghanistan.Following the agreement of 30 May 1980 on the United Kingdom's budget contribution, the European Community has embarked on discussion of the restructuring of its budget and a major review of community policies, in particular the common agricultural policy.We have continued our efforts to strengthen our security. Our agreement with the United States to purchase the Trident missile will assure the effectiveness of our independent strategic nuclear deterrent for many years to come. We have fulfilled our commitment to the Alliance to increase spending on deterrence and defence. By the deployment of a naval patrol near the Gulf we have demonstrated our readiness to act with our friends to keep open oil supply routes.The importance we place upon our relations with the developing countries, particularly those in the Commonwealth, is clearly demonstrated by our announcement of an aid programme for the current year, which exceeds £1,000 million. We played a leading role in the successful Zimbabwe aid conference.We have renewed and developed Britain's relations with a very wide range of countries: overseas travel by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister and my right hon. and noble Friend has included visits to India and the Gulf,

    Percentage age of dwellings statutorily unfitPercentage age of dwellings without a bathroomPercentage age of dwellings without a wash-hand basinPercentage age of dwellings lacking hot and cold water at 3 pointsPercentage age of dwellings without an internal WCPercentage age of dwellings lacking 1 basic amenity
    Northern Ireland 197914·115·415·917·015·717·9
    England 19764·64·75·86·96·38·7
    Wales 19769·89·710·910·213·7
    Some comparative indicators for the European Community are as follows:

    Percentage of Dwellings
    Country YearBuilt pre 1945With inside toiletWith fixed bathWith kitchen
    Belgium 197754586997
    Denmark 197051887196
    France 197555747098
    West Germany 197245858298
    Greece—
    Ireland 1971656456
    Italy 197146836570
    Luxembourg 1970627867
    Netherlands 1977359893100
    United Kingdom 19765495*95*99*
    Northern Ireland 197943848596

    Latin America, West Africa, China, Japan, Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union, as well as to the capitals of our major allies and friendly countries closer to our shores.

    Iraq (Arms Sales)

    asked the Lord Privy Seal whether there has been any change in the Government's policy not to sell defence equipment to Iraq; and if any change in the policy is proposed.

    Sales of arms and military equipment are subject to customary licensing procedures. Applications are considered in the light of all relevant circumstances including our relations with the countries involved and, in the case of Iraq and Iran, our neutrality obligations during the present state of hostilities, where Her Majesty's Government's overriding interest is to encourage an early and negotiated settlement. This has been our consistent policy. No change is proposed.

    Northern Ireland

    Housing

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will publish facts and figures comparing the standards of housing in Northern Ireland with that of other parts of the United Kingdom and other European Community countries.

    Statistics on housing conditions in Northern Ireland are published in the Northern Ireland house condition survey 1979. Broadly comparable statistics for England are contained in the English house condition survey 1976 and for Wales in the Welsh house condition survey 1976. Further information is found in the national dwelling and housing survey 1978 and social indicators for the European Communities 1960–78.The three house condition surveys show the following:

    * Great Britain.

    Sources:

    Social Indicators for the European Community 1960–1978.

    Northern Ireland House Condition Survey 1979—Preliminary Report.

    Hunger Strikers

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland for what crime or crimes the prisoners who have recently joined the hunger strike have been convicted.

    The information is as follows:

    Kieran Doherty began a hunger strike on 22 May 1981. He was convicted at Belfast city commission on 24 January 1978 of the following offences:
    OffencesSentence years' imprisonment
    1. Possession of explosive substance with intent18
    2. Possession of firearms and ammunition with intent18
    3. Hijacking4

    Note: Sentences 1 and 2 to run concurrently, but consecutive to 3.

    Kevin Martin Lynch began a hunger strike at the Maze prison on 23 May 1981. He was convicted at Belfast city commission on 14 December 1977 of the following offences:

    Offences

    Sentence years' imprisonment

    1. Conspiracy to rob10
    2. Possession of firearms and ammunition with intent10
    3 and 4. Robbery (2 counts)

    *10

    5 and 6. Hijacking (2 counts)

    *10

    7 and 8. Possession of firearms and ammunition in suspicious circumstances

    *10

    9. Wounding with intent10
    10. Having firearms with intent10

    * On each count.

    Note: All sentences to run concurrently.

    Edward Martin Hurson began a hunger strike on 29 May 1981. He appealed against his conviction and after a retrial at Belfast city commission on 17 September 1979 he was convicted of the following offences:

    Offences

    Sentence years' imprisonment

    1. Causing an explosion15
    2. Possession of explosive substance with intent15
    3. Possession of explosive substance with intent20
    4. Possession of explosive substance with intent20
    5. Belonging to a proscribed organisation5

    All sentences to run concurrently.

    Thomas Gerard McIlwee began a hunger strike on 5 June 1981. He was convicted at Belfast city commission on 3 October 1977 of the following offences:

    Offences

    Sentence years' imprisonment

    1. Murder (manslaughter substituted on appeal)

    *Life imprisonment

    2. Acting with intent to cause an explosion20
    3 to 7. Causing explosions (5 counts)†20
    8. Conspiracy to cause explosions20
    9. Conspiracy to commit arson20
    10. Possession of explosive substances with intent18
    11 and 12. Using incendiary device with intent (2 counts)†10
    13. Possession of in incendiary device in suspicious circumstances3
    All sentences to run concurrently.

    * Reduced to 20 years' imprisonment on appeal.

    † On each count.

    Patrick Joseph Quinn began a hunger strike on 15 June 1981. He was convicted at Belfast city commission on 23 March 1977 of the following offences:

    Offences

    Sentence years' imprisonment

    1. Conspiracy to murder10
    2. Attempted murder14
    3. Possession of firearms and ammunition with intent14
    4. Possession of firearms and ammunition in suspicious circumstances10

    Offences

    Sentence years' imprisonment

    5. Belonging to a proscribed organisation5

    All sentences to run concurrently.

    Michael James Devine began a hunger strike on 22 June 1981. He was convicted at Belfast city commission on 20 June 1977 of the following offences:

    Offences

    Sentence years' imprisonment

    1. Possession of firearms and ammunition with intent12
    2. Possession of firearms and ammunition in suspicious circumstances8
    3. Hijacking3

    All sentences to run concurrently.

    Lawrence Patrick McKeown began a hunger strike on 29 June 1981. He was convicted at Belfast city commission on 26 April 1977 of the following offences:

    Offences

    Sentence years' imprisonment

    1 to 4. Intimidation (4 counts)

    *5

    5 to 8. Carrying firearm with intent (4 counts)

    *10

    9. Robbery12
    10. Hijacking5
    11 to 12. Malicious damage (2 counts)

    *2

    13 to 16. Causing an explosion (4 counts)

    *Life imprisonment

    17 to 20. Possession of explosive substances with intent (4 counts)

    *20

    21. Possession of firearms with intent14
    22. Possession of firearms in suspicious circumstances10
    23. Attempted murderLife imprisonment
    24. Wounding with intent20
    25. Possession of a firearm and ammunition with intent20
    26. Belonging to a proscribed organisation5
    All sentences to run concurrently.

    * On each count.

    Scotland

    Agriculture And Food Processing Industries

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what steps he has taken over the past two years to ensure that the agriculture and food processing industries in Scotland have not been at a disadvantage to other countries within the European Economic Community.

    Numerous measures have been taken, including the following:

  • (i) the competitive position of our producers has been substantially improved by the elimination of negative monetary compensatory amounts;
  • (ii) the European Community prices settlement in April favours the livestock sector and is estimated to be worth £40 million to Scottish producers in a full year;
  • (iii) a sheepmeat regime has been agreed which is especially beneficial to Scottish farmers;
  • (vi) income aids to the industry have been greatly increased. The subsidy on a hill cow, inclusive of the European Community suckler cow premium, is now £54·87—an increase of 89 per cent. over the £29 paid in 1979. The hill and upland sheep rates have gone up by 52 per cent. and 49 per cent. respectively;
  • (v) the liquid milk price has been increased on four occasions to provide enhanced returns for milk producers;
  • (vi) tax concessions have been made;
  • (vii) agreement has been reached on proposals for the creation of a seed potato development council;
  • (viii) additional funds have been provided for improvement in marketing, and grants have been made to food processing firms;
  • (ix) an integrated development programme is being planned for the Western Isles.
  • Sea Transport (Subsidies)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what steps have been taken by the Government in the past two years (a) to increase subsidies with respect to sea transport to the islands of Scotland and (b) to move towards a structure of road equivalent tariffs.

    The following table sets out the Government's allocations of revenue support for sea transport services under the Highlands and Islands Shipping Services Act 1960:

    1979 £ million1980 £ million1981 £ million
    (Calendar Year)
    Caledonian MacBrayne3·75·05·8
    (Fiscal Year)1979–801980–811981–82
    Orkney Islands Shipping Co.0·60·70·85
    North of Scotland Orkney (from September 1979) & Shetland Shipping Co.0·51·61·9
    Pupil Teacher Ratios in Education Authority Schools
    Type of School YearNurseryPrimarySecondaryOverall
    September 197827·121·414·618·0
    September 197926·220·314·417·4
    September 1980*20·314·4*
    * not available

    Social Services

    Private Patients (Emergency Beds)

    14.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he has issued any guidelines to area health authorities on the provision of emergency beds for private patients.

    Health authorities were advised in Department of Health and Social Security circular HC(80)10 that applications could be made to the Secretary of State for authorisation of pay beds for emergency admissions. Health authorities may not provide these beds in the absence of the Secretary of State's statutory authorisation.

    39.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether there are any outstanding requests from area health authorities for the approval of emergency beds for private patients.

    (Calendar Year)

    1979 £ million

    1980 £ million

    1981 £ million

    Other operators (from February 1981)0·10·9
    Total (approx)4·87·59·5

    Actual outturn may vary slightly from these levels, but at a time of falling expenditure elsewhere the Government have increased in real terms the support being given in this way to island communities.

    As far as road equivalent tariffs are concerned, the right hon. Member will be aware that the responses to our consultative paper on sea transport to the Scottish islands produced a range of widely differing views. The Western Isles Islands Council, among others, pointed out that a strict application of RET would be contrary to its interests. In the circumstances it has taken longer than anticipated for the Government to make an announcement.

    Pupil-Teacher Ratios

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what is the current pupil-teacher ratio in schools in Scotland for (a) nursery schools, (b) primary schools, (c) secondary schools and (d) the overall figure; and if he will give comparative figures for June 1980 and June 1979.

    Information on pupil-teacher ratios is collected annually in the school census in September. The following table shows the latest available information:

    Yes, Sir. As at 30 June 16, for 12 of which we are awaiting further information from the authority.

    Inflation (Calculation Of Benefits)

    15.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what estimate of inflation he intends to use to calculate the level of benefits for the forthcoming year.

    The increases which we propose in the main benefits are based on a forecast of a 10 per cent. rise in prices between November 1980 and November 1981 and also take account of the adjustment provided for by section 1 of the Social Security Act 1981.

    33.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he is satisfied with the adequacy of his estimate of a 10 per cent. year on year inflation rate for the year November 1980 to November 1981 for the purpose of uprating social security figures.

    "Silent Minority"

    16.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether the report from two health authorities which have been requested to investigate specific allegations made in the television film "Silent Minority" has yet been studied in his Department; and if he will make a statement.

    35.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he has yet completed his study of the reports of the investigation by two health authorities into specific allegations made in the television film "Silent Minority".

    I am studying the reports I have had from the health authorities and am awaiting further information on some points raised. I shall make a statement as soon as possible.

    Mentally And Physically Handicapped Persons

    17.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many mentally or physically handicapped people have been moved out of long-stay hospitals and into smaller residential units since May 1979; and whether he has plans to increase the numbers in the future.

    I regret that information is not available in the form requested but I shall write to the hon. Member letting him have the statistics which are available. The numbers in hospital have fallen and, while the rate of further progress will be governed by the resources available, we have it clear in "Care in Action" that our plan is to provide a comprehensive community-based service for both these groups of people.

    Long-Term Unemployed Persons

    18.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will take steps to allow the long-term unemployed to draw the long term supplementary benefit rate.

    As my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister said in her reply to the hon. Gentleman on 3 February, we are well aware of the case for this change, but it cannot be contemplated in present economic circumstances.—[Vol. 998, c. 76.]

    Perinatal Deaths (West Yorkshire)

    19.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will take measures to reduce the higher than national rate of perinatal deaths in West Yorkshire.

    The hon. Member has raised this subject and I share his concern. In our policy handbook, "Care in Action", health authorities were asked to give priority to reducing perinatal and neonatal mortality. I am confident that the Yorkshire regional health authority has taken this to heart and is acting on it.

    Child Abuse

    20.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will take steps to ensure that full up-to-date information on child abuse is available and that adequate guidelines are issued in connection with it.

    This is an important and distressing problem. The Department has regularly reviewed and updated its guidance as to how authorities should deal with this and will continue to do so.

    Special Hospitals (Patient Transfers)

    21.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many patients awaiting transfer from special hospitals were transferred last month; and what future plans he has to increase the number of transfers.

    Twenty patients were transferred from special hospitals to National Health Service hospitals during June 1981. I intend to review the progress made in the first six months of this year in the light of the reports which I received on this subject from regional health authority chairmen earlier in the year before considering what future steps to take.

    Training Of Staff

    22.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the estimated total cost to the National Health Service of training of medical, nursing and ancillary staff in 1981–82.

    Direct expenditure by my Department is about £23 million and £57 million respectively for postgraduate medical education and nurse training. Up-to-date figures are not available of the cost to health authorities for medical staff training, but for nurse training these costs amount to some £303 million. This figure does not take account of the value to the NHS of services to patients provided by student and pupil nurses. Training for staff in the ancillary grades is generally carried out on an on-the-job basis and the cost cannot be separately identified.

    Health Authorities (Commencement)

    23.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when the re-formed health authorities are expected to commence operating; and when the names of their chairmen will be announced.

    1 April 1982, subject to approval of the necessary orders. We hope to announce the names of their chairmen in the next few weeks.

    Benefits Officers (Fraud Investigations)

    24.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services for what periods social benefits officers are assigned to special duties for investigation of fraud; and whether there is any system of rotation as between fraud investigation and general administration of benefits.

    There is no specific period for which social security officers are assigned to special fraud investigation duties, but normally the minimum period for such an assignment is three years. Suitable officers are selected from the executive officer grade for service as special investigators and they return to general administrative duties at the end of such service.

    European Community (Reciprocal Medical Facilities)

    25.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will take steps to ensure that local offices of his Department are adequately equipped to notify and explain to the public the evidence of reciprocal medical facilities for Britons travelling to the European Economic Community member States.

    The public can obtain from local offices copies of information leaflets SA30 and SA36. These describe the arrangements for obtaining free or reduced cost medical treatment abroad under the Community social security regulations and explain the procedures required in each European Community country to obtain such treatment. Local office staff have instructions concerning the operation of the regulations, the issue of leaflets and, where appropriate, the issue of certificates of entitlement to urgent medical treatment—form E111. Finally, in cases of difficulty local offices can seek advice from specialist officers at the Department's headquarters. If my hon. Friend has a particular problem in mind and will send me details, I shall look into the matter.

    Pensioners (Domestic Services Standing Charges)

    26.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will take steps to assist pensioners with the payment of standing charges on domestic services.

    45.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services is he has any plans to introduce a scheme to assist pensioners with the payment of standing charges on domestic services.

    No, Sir. I refer the hon. Members to the reply which my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister gave to the hon. Member for Eccles (Mr. Carter-Jones) on 16 June.—[Vol. 6, c. 305.]

    Unemployed Persons (Supplementary Benefit)

    27.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many persons who have been unemployed for more than 12 months are in receipt of supplementary benefit.

    271,000 recipients of supplementary benefit in November 1980—the latest date for which information is available—had at that date been unemployed for 12 months or more.

    Community Care (Departmental Study)

    28.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he expects to publish his departmental study on community care.

    West Midlands Regional Health Authority

    29.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the current rate of take-up of joint funding in the West Midlands regional health authority; and if he will reconsider the ruling that such funding should not be used for projects with recurrent financial consequences.

    The take-up of joint finance by the West Midlands regional health authority up the end of 1980–81 was £15·5 million. This is 94 per cent. of the cumulative allocation. Planned take-up by the end of 1981–82 should reach 100 per cent. of the sum available.Authorities are free to decide for themselves whether to use joint finance on capital schemes, or schemes with or without recurrent financial consequences.

    Alcoholism

    30.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many cases of alcoholism were dealt with through the National Health Service during the last year for which figures are available.

    Central records are not available of admissions of patients who present themselves with alcohol-based problems not separately recorded, or patients treated by general medical practitioners or as out-patients or day-patients. The number of admissions to National Health Service mental illness hospitals and units in England in 1979, where a primary diagnosis of alcoholic psychosis or alcohol dependency syndrome was recorded, was 12,759.

    Age-Related Addition

    31.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he intends to raise the age-related addition, introduced at 25p weekly in 1971; and if he will make a statement.

    My right hon. Friend has no proposals to increase the age addition to retirement pensions. In the present economic circumstances such a change cannot be given any higher priority in the allocation of resources than it has been given by successive Governments since 1971.

    National Health Service (Administration)

    32.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he is satisfied with the progress in streamlining the administration of the National Health Service.

    Yes, Sir. Almost all the new district health authorities have been announced and, subject to approval of the necessary orders, they will come into being on 1 April 1982. One of their most important tasks will be to review management arrangements with a view to delegating more responsibility to those at hospital and community services level and reducing the proportion of resources spent on management by 10 per cent. by 31 March 1985.

    Prescription Charges

    34.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he next intends to increase prescription charges.

    As announced in the White Paper—Cmnd. 8175—prescription charges will increase annually in line with costs. Present expenditure plans assume that the charges will be increased in April 1982 and annually thereafter.

    Advisory Council On Child Care

    36.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he will list the current members of the Advisory Council on Child Care; and whether their appointment will be extended beyond October 1981, in view of his intention to wind up the children's committee.

    37.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what arrangements will be made to continue the Advisory Council on Child Care following the abolition of the children's committee.

    The Advisory Council on Child Care has been in abeyance since the Personal Social Services Council, whose members were formally appointed to the advisory council, came to an end. When I announced the winding up of the Personal Social Services Council in 1979, I said that I would be proposing the repeal of the statutory provisions relating to the Advisory Council on Child Care. I still intend to do this at the earliest possible opportunity.

    Personal Social Services (Consultation Document)

    38.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he expects to publish the consultation document on the transfer of resources and patients from the National Health Service to the personal social services.

    Pensionable Age

    40.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether revised estimates of the net costs of reducing the pensionable age of men to 64, 63, 62, 61 and 60 are yet available; and whether he has any plans for bringing the pensionable age for men into line with that for women.

    49.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will estimate the cost of reducing the normal retirement age for men by one year.

    New revised estimates are in the course of preparation and should be ready later this month, at which time I shall write to the hon. Members. I have no immediate proposals for aligning the retirement age of men and women, although it remains a long-term objective to do so.

    Children In Care

    41.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will state the number of children in the care of the local authorities.

    The number of children in the care of local authorities in England and Wales on 31 March 1979, the latest year for which figures are available, was 100,100.

    Redundant Hospitals

    42.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he has issued any advice to health authorities on the disposal of redundant or unused National Health Service hospitals.

    Advice to health authorities on the disposal of surplus National Health Services property is contained in the National Health Service handbook on land transactions, a copy of which has been placed in the Library of the House. I have asked authorities to dispose of all property not needed for National Health Service purposes, at market value taking account of any development potential, in accordance with the district valuer's recommendations. They are also asked to consider whether there would be advantage in considering prior offers from bodies providing health or personal social services which would complement the health authorities' services.

    Sickness Benefit (Payment By Employers)

    43.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is his latest figure for the total saving in public expenditure caused by the transfer of the responsibility for the payment of sickness benefit to employers.

    About £450 million, including administrative savings, in a full year. Under proposals currently out for consultation, compensation arrangements are suggested which will give employers about £660 million in return for the additional sick pay liabilities they will face. After taking account of the yield from the taxation of sick pay and so on, the net reduction in the public sector borrowing requirement is estimated at around £25 million.

    St George's Hospital Site

    44.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he will make a further statement on the future of the site of St. George's hospital.

    I have nothing to add at present to my reply to the right hon. Member for Brent, East (Mr. Freeson) on 6 February. [Vol. 998, c. 229.]

    Housewife's Non-Contributory Invalidity Pension

    46.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when the review of the household duties test for eligibility for the housewife's non-contributory invalidity pension being undertaken by his Department is likely to be completed.

    I have nothing to add to my reply to the hon. Member for Wolverhampton, North-East (Mrs. Short) on 6 July.

    Nurses (Purchasing Power)

    47.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will make an assessment of the change in the purchasing power of nurses since their last pay award was implemented if the current pay award to them is fixed at 6 per cent.

    Between April 1980 and April 1981, the retail price—all items—index increased by 12·04 per cent. Between May 1979 and April 1981 the index increased by 35·3 per cent. while in the same period, assuming a 6 per cent. settlement for 1981, nurses' pay generally will have increased by some 45 per cent. In addition, there has been a two and a half hour reduction in the working week, which is equivalent to a further 6½ per cent. increase in pay.

    Homeless People

    48.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what initiatives he intends to take to overcome the problems confronting homeless people.

    Responsibility for health and personal social services for homeless people rests with the health and local authorities in whose areas they are. It is for them to maintain, plan and develop such services in the light of local needs and priorities through their main programmes, enhanced, where appropriate, by urban aid or joint finance. My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Environment and I encourage co-operation at local level between social services, housing and health authorities and other agencies concerned, including voluntary organisations.For those single homeless people who are without a settled way of life there are resettlement units and voluntary projects funded by the Department to provide temporary board and lodging with a view to influencing people to lead a more settled way of life. The report of the supplementary benefits review team listed a number of issues relating to these people as meriting further study and

    Supplementary Benefit Level (1) £Net Income from ⅔ average earnings (2)* £Col. (1) as a percentage of Col. (2)(3)
    Single Householder
    October 729·2815·8159 (61)†
    November 8030·8670·5144 (56)
    Married Couple
    October 7213·9716·2686 (90)
    November 8045·2273·9061 (73)
    Married Couple with 2 children under 5
    October 7217·8620·0889 (92)
    November 8063·5281·1078 (89)
    Married Couple with 4 children, 2 under 5, 2 aged 5–10
    October 7222·3624·4691 (94)
    November 8077·1891·5484 (94)
    Notes
    * Based on estimates of gross earnings determined as follows:
    October 1972—by interpolation of the Department of Employment's October inquiry (older series) seasonally adjusted
    November 1980—by extrapolation of Department of Employment's October inquiry using the average earnings index (new series) of production industries, seasonally adjusted.
    † Figures in brackets show the effect of applying the long-term rate.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when the £2,000 capital limit before entitlement to supplementary benefit was set; and what this figure would be now if indexation had been taken into account.

    The £2,000 capital limit for supplementary benefit came into effect on 24 November 1980. It would need to be raised to about £2,145 now to reflect the movement in the general index of retail prices between that date and mid-May, the latest date for which figures are available.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what representations he has received about

    I am at present considering how best to carry forward the review team's proposals for a review of policy in this area, in the light of recent legislative changes and other developments since 1978 when the report was published.

    The Department also makes grants towards the headquarters costs of certain national voluntary organisations and encourages experimentation and research to improve services for single homeless people in need of care and support.

    Supplementary Benefit

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will publish a table similar to table 10 of the Supplementary Benefits Commission annual report for 1975, but for the years 1948, 1956, 1964, 1972 and 1980, showing supplementary benefit levels, including the appropriate rent addition, as percentages of net incomes at two-thirds average male manual earnings, with net incomes defined as gross earnings plus family allowance or child benefit, family income supplement and housing rebates, less income tax, national insurance contribution and the same rent and rates as those paid by the supplementary benefit recipients.

    Following is the information for 1972 and 1980. I regret that information for previous years could be obtained only at disproportionate cost.Government policy on the supplementary benefit rule which requires unemployed young school leavers to wait until the end of the school holidays before qualifying.

    Since the new scheme started, we have had about 200 letters from hon. Members, educational and career interests, and members of the public. There was also an Adjournment debate on this subject on 11 December 1980.—[Vol. 996, c. 1857–68.]

    Health Care Grants (Islington And Camden)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what grants related to local community health and primary health care have been made by the Islington and Camden area health authority; to whom such grants have been made; and what was the nature of the projects financed.

    Detailed and up-to-date information is not available centrally. The hon. Member may like to approach the area health authority direct.

    Mansfield Harlow Wood Hospital (Waiting Lists)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will make additional funds available to the Nottinghamshire area health authority in order to secure the additional orthopaedic operating theatre at Mansfield Harlow Wood hospital and reduce the present existing waiting lists for this specialty in this area.

    The Department allocates capital resources to regional health authorities on the basis of an assessment of overall health care need and the extent to which those needs are met by existing capital facilities. The allocation of resources to an area health authority is a matter for the appropriate regional health authority which, in the case of Nottinghamshire area health authority (teaching), is Trent regional health authority.

    Deafness (Test)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many representations he has received to introduce a national Department of Health and Social Security test to provide proof of deafness; and whether he has any plans to do so.

    None, and my right hon. Friend has no plans to introduce such a test."Deafness" is not an absolute concept and the choice of any test to provide "proof of deafness" would depend Upon the purpose for which that proof was required. There is a wide range of hearing impairments involving both the range and the quality of sound heard. Moreover, the problems experienced by people with hearing difficulties depend not only upon their hearing defect but upon how far they can be helped by personal hearing and other aids and their social and occupational circumstances. I do not see that an all-purpose national test would be either practicable or helpful.

    Elderly Persons (White Paper)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he now expects the White Paper on the elderly to be published.

    The White Paper entitled "Growing Older" was published on 3 March (Cmnd. 8173). I refer the hon. and learned Gentleman to my right hon. Friend's reply that day to my hon. Friend the Member for Carshalton (Mr. Forman).—[Vol. 1,000, c. 89–90.]

    National Insurance Contributions

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what considerations were examined prior to the agreement of the level of earnings subject to national insurance contributions in respect of the definition of a small firm for purposes of compensating employers under the proposed statutory sick payment scheme; how many small firms are estimated to be within the definition on the basis of fewer than 10 employees on average full-time male wage; and how many small firms are estimated to be within a similar basis of definition which would increase the average of nine to 15.

    For the purposes of the mark II and mark IV compensation schemes described in the consultative document "Compensating Employers for Statutory Sick Pay" published on 17 June, small employers are to be defined by reference to the total amount of earning on which they paid national insurance contributions in a recent past year. The proposal is to include firms employing the equivalent of nine or fewer people earning the average wage for full-time male employees.Contribution liability is preferred as the basis for the definition, partly because it would be relatively simple to operate and administer and partly because larger, low wage firms would be included. Representatives of small businesses were consulted by the Department of Industry in the latter part of 1980 in formulating the proposals for reimbursing them under a mark II scheme. The Government would welcome the view of small businesses on the definition in the light of the new proposals in the consultative document. If a higher level of earnings were to be chosen, any special arrangements for compensating small employers would be more expensive, and such a change could be accommodated only by less generous help for those small employers or for other sectors of industry.Our best estimates, based on new earnings survey data and the 1977 Department of Employment census, are that, of around one million employers in Great Britain, about 80 per cent. would be designated small under the proposed definition. If the definition were extended to include firms employing up to 15 people earning the average wage for full-time male employees, the proportion of all employers included might be nearer 90 per cent.

    Parents And Foster Parents (Social Work Case Conferences)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will seek to make it a statutory right for parents and foster parents to be present or represented at any social work case conference at which their child's future is to be discussed.

    Social services departments have a general obligation to promote the welfare of children arid this will be the principle by which they are guided in individual cases. I am advised that decisions affecting a child's future will nearly always be discussed with parents and foster parents. It is increasingly the practice to invite them to case conferences, but there will sometimes be circumstances in which it will not be appropriate to do so because it would not be in the interests of the child.My right hon. Friend does not consider that this is a suitable matter for legislation.

    Supplementary Benefit (One-Parent Families)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will provide an estimate of the cost to the State of broken marriages in terms of supplementary benefit paid to one-parent families resulting from marriage breakdown and the cost of children in care resulting from broken marriages.

    The net annual cost of supplementary benefits paid to divorced and separated one-parent families is estimated to be about £425 million at December 1980 rates. It could, however, be expected that some of these would have been supported by supplementary benefit in any case—for example, as part of an unemployed family unit. The figure takes into account maintenance payments made direct to the Department by liable relatives. It also includes about £20 million administration costs.The figure does not, however, include the cost of single payments of supplementary benefit to meet an exceptional need, nor does it take account of recoveries from local authorities for rent rebates and allowances and rates rebates. This information is not available.It is not possible to estimate what proportion of the total cost of maintaining children in care can be attributed to children who may be in care as a result of broken marriages.

    Area Health Authorities (29 July Working)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how much extra he estimates area health authorities will have to pay to staff working on 29 July; if he will make extra funds available for this purpose; and if he will make a statement.

    It is estimated that the total extra cost to regional health authorities, area health authorities and boards of governors in England as a consequence of the attendance of essential staff on the day of the Royal Wedding is £15 million.Health authority cash limits will not be increased. The extra costs for one day have to be put in the context of the £7,600 million revenue which will be spent by health authorities this year. I have no doubt that the beneficial effect of the boost to morale occasioned by the Royal Wedding will more than offset any extra financial cost.

    Education And Science

    Secondary Schools (Pupil Numbers)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) what is the most recent forecast of the number of children that will be in secondary schools for the years 1981, 1982, 1983 and 1984;(2) what is the most recent forecast of the number of children that will be in primary schools for the years 1981, 1982, 1983 and 1984.

    The most recent projection of the numbers in primary and secondary schools in England is as follows:

    Pupil numbers* (thousands, January of each year)
    1981198219831984
    Primary (5 and over)3,8073,6433,4563,336
    Secondary3,8323,7663,7153,628
    * Middle schools are included according to whether deemed primary or secondary; pupils aged under 5 (approximately 300 thousand full-time equivalents) in nursery and primary schools are excluded.

    Children (School Absences)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will issue a circular to local education authorities providing guidance on the circumstances other than illness in which children should be allowed to be absent from school and advise them that such absences should not be approved when they involve participation in motor cycle stunts or similar activities.

    Pupil-Teacher Ratios

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the pupil-teacher ratio nationally and within all the education authorities in the North-West in (a) primary and (b) secondary education; and if he proposes to take any measures which would utilise unemployment to reduce the size of classes.

    the most recent available information relates to January 1980. This was published in the Department's statistical bulletin 17/80, a copy of which I am sending to the hon. Member.It is for individual local education authorities to decide how many teachers to employ within the resources available to them. The Government's expenditure plans provide for overall staffing standards to be broadly maintained.

    Scottish Universities

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the net recurrent and capital expenditure for each Scottish university in each of the last three years.

    Details of Government grants for recurrent and capital expenditure at individual universities for each financial year to 1979–80 are published in the Appropriation Accounts. The Accounts for 1980–81 are not yet available.

    Teachers (Unemployment)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is his estimate of unemployment amongst teachers who qualified in 1979 and 1980 having taken special courses for the education of severely handicapped children.

    Information on which an estimate might be based is not held by this Department.

    Dundee University

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what has been the number of (a) lecturing staff, (b) ancillary staff, (c) undergraduates, full-time and part-time and (d) post-graduate students, full-time and part-time at Dundee university in each of the past three years.

    The available information is as follows:

    Dundee University
    †Full-time Academic Staff†Full- time Non-Academic Staff on academic pay scalesUndergraduatesPostgraduates
    Full-timePart-timeFull-timePart-time
    1977–78411not available2,5199331178
    1978–79423992,4831384198
    1979–804201022,464332227
    † Staff wholly financed from university general funds
    Estimates of the numbers of ancillary staff not on academic pay scales are not available by individual university.

    Manor Road School (Closure)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science in view of the concern felt by the parents and residents in the area of the Manor Road school, Stratford, E.15, at its closure, if he will take some action to assist the London borough of Newham to keep this school open.

    I understand that the London borough of Newham is considering various possibilities for reducing the number of surplus primary school places in its area, which have arisen because of falling school rolls, but that no firm proposals have yet emerged. If the authority wishes to close Manor Road school—or any other school—it must publish proposals under section 12 of the Education Act 1980, which includes provision for objections to those proposals to be considered by my right hon. and learned Friend.

    DescriptionValuation £Outcome
    Amphora, c 540 BC (The Northampton Amphora)211,850Export Licence refused in view of formal offer to purchase by a public collection.
    Three silver condiment vases with covers—London Hallmark 1771–245,588Exported.
    Long-case weight-ilriven night clock by Edward East, c 167535,680Purchased by the British Museum.
    Observatory chronometer by William Shepherd with balance by John Hartnup, c 184820,000Purchased by the Merseyside County Museums.
    Amphora by the potter Andokides, painted by Psiax, c 530–520 BC176,000Purchased by the British Museum.
    Painting: "The Children of John Taylor of Bifrons" by John Closterman17,250Purchased by National Portrait Gallery.
    Persian Manuscript: World History of Rachid al-Din, 1314935,000Exported.
    Manuscript: The Leicester Codex by Leomardo da Vinci2,420,000Exported.
    Painting: "Sir Robert and Lady Bradshaigh with Haigh Hall, Lancashire, beyond" by Edward Haytley35,650Purchased by Wigan metropolitan borough council.
    Set of four candlesticks by Peter Archambo, 174720,000Licence withheld for 3 months—application form subsequently withdrawn and items sold to a collector for retention in tine United Kingdom
    Painting: "The Holy Family with Ss John the Baptist and Elizabeth" by Nicolas Poussin1,815,000Licence withheld for 3 months, ie to 12 September 1981.
    Marble bust of Moisignor Antonio Cerri by Alessandro Algardi265,000Licence withheld for 3 months, ie to 21 August 1981.
    I have also accepted a recommendation that the issue of an export licence should be withheld for a period in respect of an albumen print of Philip Stanhope Worsley by Julia

    Trades Union Congress

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether he will list the occasions and dates since 21 May 1980 when he or any of his departmental colleagues have met official representatives of the Trades Union Congress at a formal meeting to discuss policy issues, excluding meetings with departmental unions about Whitley conditions; and whether there has been any occasion when he has refused to meet a Trades Union Congress deputation after the congress has officially requested one.

    My noble Friend the Minister of State and my right hon. Friend the Minister for the Arts met official representatives of the Trades Union Congress on 22 July 1980 and 2 June 1981 respectively. In June 1980 my noble Friend declined a request from the TUC South-East regional council for a meeting to discuss the Government's study of local government arrangements for education in inner London. In view of the need for an early conclusion, this study was conducted entirely on the basis of written evidence. On no other occasion have I or my colleagues refused a request for a meeting.

    Export Licences

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether he will list the items for which the issuing of export licences was withheld on the recommendations of the reviewing committee on the export of works of art during the year ended 30 June, specifying in each case the valuation and whether an item was eventually exported or retained, with particulars in the latter event of the acquiring institution; and whether he will list any items for which licences have been withheld but the final disposal of which is not decided, specifying in each case (a) the valuation and (b) the relevant time limit.

    Details are as follows: Margaret Cameron. Further information is still awaited from the applicant for the licence before details of the suspension can be announced.

    Objects In Lieu Of Tax

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether he will specify the allocations made to public institutions in the United Kingdom during the half year ended 30 June, on the recommendation of the Standing Commission on Museums and Galleries, of individual works of art and museum objects pre-eminent for national scientific, historic or artistic interest, which have been accepted in satisfaction of capital transfer tax, together with information, where applicable, as to wishes

    Works of art allocated during the half year ended 30 June 1981
    ItemDate allocation announcedRecipient InstitutionExecutors' /Testator's wishes
    A collection of agricultural implements15 January 1981Cotswold district council for display in the Northleach museumNone.
    A drawing by Luca Signorelli, "Study of a Young Man"20 March 1981Merseyside county council for display in the Walker Art gallery, LiverpoolNone.
    A painting by Luca Giordano, "The Visit of the Virgin Mary to her cousin Elizabeth"30 March 1981The Guildhall art gallery, London, for lending to the Governors of Sutton's hospital in Charterhouse, LondonCharterhouse, London
    A sculpture by Dame Barbara Hepworth-Nicholson, "Parent Two"3 April 1981Wakefield metropolitan district council for display by Wakefield art gallery and museumsOffer conditional on allocation to Wakefield art gallery and museums.
    An archive of manuscripts and other documents3 April 1981The university of NottinghamOffer conditional on allocation to the university of Nottingham
    Seven Illuminated Manuscripts6 May 1981Bodleian Library4 to Bodleian Library, Oxford.
    Works of art accepted in lieu of tax and awaiting allocation
    ItemDate acceptance announced
    Papers of the First Duke of Wellington20 February 1979
    A painting by Elsheimer, "The Death of Procris"25 July 1979
    A collection of Hebrew Manuscripts30 April 1980
    A collection of 18th and 19th century silver, silver-gilt and gold plate30 April 1980
    A painting by David Teniers the Younger, "A Yard of an Inn, with peasants playing bowls"*
    A painting by Philips Wouverman, "A Stag Hunt"*
    A painting by Gillis Peeters and David Teniers the Younger, "A Scene in a Flemish Village"*
    A portrait by Gainsborough Dupon of Henry Fiennes Pelham Clinton, then 9th Earl of Lincoln*
    A portrait by William Hoare of the right hon. Henry Pelham in Chancellors' robes*
    A portrait by William Hoare of Thomas Pelham Holies, 1st Pelham Duke of Newcastle, in Garter robes*
    * 3 April 1981.

    Case Conferences (Schoolchildren)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science, if he will seek to make it a statutory right for parents and foster parents to be present or represented at any case conference in schools at which their child's future is to be discussed.

    My right hon. and learned Friend has no plans to introduce legislation on this matter. I certainly hope that parents would be consulted on important issues relating to their children's education. However, decisions expressed in the matter of allocation by testators and executors; and whether he will list the works of art and museum objects which are still awaiting allocation, with the respective dates of their acceptance in satisfaction of capital transfer tax.

    The following tables give details of those items accepted in lieu of tax which have been allocated to public institutions in the United Kingdom during the half year ended 30 June 1981 or are awaiting allocation.on parental attendance at case conferences and similar meetings should be left to those at the local level who are familiar with the circumstances of individual cases.

    University Grants Committee

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) if he will now place in the Library copies of all individual letters sent to the universities on 1 July by the Universities Grants Committee;(2) what information he has received from the University Grants Committee on the subject areas and individual subjects which it proposes to strengthen in the years 1981 to 1984; and in which institutions concentrations of such disciplines are to be attempted.

    The University Grants Committee's approach to the allocation of grant for the years 1981–82 to 1983–84 was explained in the chairman's letter to all universities of 1 July, which was published in my right hon. and learned Friend's reply to my hon. Friend the Member for Wokingham (Sir W. van Straubenzee)With the agreement of the vice-chancellors and principals concerned the University Grants Committee's letters to individual universities and other institutions have now been placed in the Library of the House.

    University Admissions

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will list the figures for admissions, and the total numbers of full-time home and evening course students, university by universtity, in the academic year 1980–81.

    In 1980–81 there were provisionally estimated to be 78,200 undergraduate and 19,200 postgraduate full-time and sandwich new entrants to universities in Great Britain. Reliable information by individual university should be available shortly.

    Full-Time Education (Statistics)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what percentage of (a) 17-yearolds, (b) 18-year-olds, (c) 19-year-olds, (d) 20-year-olds, (e) 21-year-olds and (f) over 21-year-olds of the total United Kingdom population within each of these year groups is in full-time education in (i) universities and (ii) other institutions of higher education; what are the comparable statistics for other Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development countries; and what are the comparable statistics for each of the last 15 years.

    It will take time to collate the information requested, and I shall write to the hon. Member.

    Recurrent Grant

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science how much recurrent grant, excluding rates, was paid (a) in 1979–80 and (b) in 1980–81 to each institution listed in the annex to the University Grants Committee circular letter 10/81 of 1 July reference 44/52/021, expressing the figures or, if appropriate, latest estimates at 1981–82 prices, on the same basis as grants for future years listed therein.

    This information cannot be provided in the time available. It may not in any case be possible readily to prepare it in the form requested, but I shall write to the hon. Member as soon as possible.

    Public Lending Rights

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science when he expects to appoint the first registrar to administer the public lending rights major scheme.

    I am pleased to announce that, following open competition, I have appointed Mr. John W. Sumsion as the registrar with effect from 1 September 1981.

    Transport

    Motorways (Signposts)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what action he has taken to indicate major delays on motorways in time to allow motorists to follow time saving diversions, properly signposted.

    The quickest and safest way of accommodating motorway traffic during a major repair is normally to direct traffic around the obstruction with lane diversions on the motorway itself. Where it is necessary and possible to divert traffic on to routes off the motorway, these are signposted at least two junctions in advance of the repair site, as can be seen this year on the M2 and M5.The Department gives regular and full details of motorway works to the media and to motoring organisations. In addition, we have introduced this year new signs on the MI and M6 giving motorists more information about the location, duration and reason for major repairs.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will review as a matter of safety the signposting of diversions from motorways, particularly where traffic congestion takes place such as at roundabouts, to see that signs clearly indicate the direction to which the diversion leads.

    No. I am satisfied with the existing systems for diversion signing. I will consider any particular problem that the hon. Member has in mind if he will write to me about it.

    Cambrian Coast Railway Line

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what was the outcome of the discussions between his Department, the Welsh Office and British Railways in relation to the future of the Cambrian coast railway line.

    Environment

    Housing (Homeless Persons) Act 1977

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he intends to publish his review of the Housing (Homeless Persons) Act 1977.

    I have nothing at present to add to the reply my hon. Friend the Under-Secretary of State gave to the right hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent, South (Mr. Ashley) on 10 April.—[Vol. 2, c. 377.]

    Water Authority Officers (Mileage Allowances)

    asked the Secretary of State 1:or the Environment what mileage allowances are paid to officers of the water authorities in respect of car journeys made by them in the course of their duties.

    The rate of car allowances for water authority employees is the subject of national agreements negotiated between the employers and the unions concerned. The Government are not party to these matters, but I understand that the current agreement provides for the following rates of allowances:

    A: Regular User
    ClassAnnual Lump Sum Allowance £ paMileage Allowance p/mile*Excess Depreciation Rate p/mile
    up to l000cc6607·874·60
    1001–1300cc7448·385·47
    1301–1600cc9609·957·46
    1601–2000cc1,05610·868·24
    2001cc and over1,41612·8711·54
    * Paid in addition to mileage allowance for each mile in excess of 6,000 miles in any year.
    B: Casual User
    ClassUp to 3,000 miles pa rate p/mileOver 3,000 miles pa rate p/mile
    up to l000cc21·187·87
    1001–1300cc23·238·38
    1301–1600cc29·109·95
    1601–2OOOcc31·9110·86
    2001cc and over41·2612·87

    Local Councillors

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many councillors in total were on (a) county councils, (b) metropolitan county councils, (c) district councils and (d) metropolitan district councils, respectively; what is the annual total of spending of each type of council; and the average per councillor in each type.

    The information for local authorities in England for 1979–80 is as follows:

    Councillors*Total expenditure †Average Expenditure per Councillor
    £m (at outturn prices)
    County Councils‡3,1528,0802·56
    Metropolitan County
    Councils6011,1701·95
    District Councils13,4885,0100·37
    Metropolitan District
    Councils2,5295,7002·26
    Notes:
    * Number of seats.
    † Total expenditure on rate fund, housing and trading accounts, capital and revenue; adjusted for double counting of revenue contributions to capital accounts.
    ‡ Including Isles of Scilly.

    Landscape In Cities And Towns (Exhibition)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will arrange for an exhibition relating to "The Landscape in Cities and Towns" to be displayed in the Upper Waiting Hall.

    Yes. My Department will be sponsoring this exhibition, and I have agreed to open it on 20 July. The exhibition will be on display in the Upper Waiting Hall until 24 July, and I hope that as many Members as possible who are interested in urban matters will find time to visit it.

    Quarries (Valuation) Order 1971

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he expects to reply to the letter of 6 April and the follow up of 1 June, from the hon. Member for Falmouth and Camborne, regarding section 7 of the Quarries (Valuation) Order 1971.

    Countryside Act 1968

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he is satisfied that section 11 of the Countryside Act 1968 provides sufficient safeguards for the flora and fauna of inshore waters when planning or other decisions affecting such areas are made.

    The provisions of section 11 of the Countryside Act 1968 do not apply beyond low water mark.

    Local Authorities (Manpower Services Commission Funds)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what account is taken in local authority capital expenditure allocations of funds made available directly by the Manpower Services Commission to assist local authorities for the young unemployed.

    Capital expenditure allocations to local authorities for 1981–82 were made in respect of prescribed expenditure whatever the source of finance. I am considering representations that contributions from the Manpower Services Commission should be additional to capital allocations.

    Energy

    Vale Of Belvoir

    asked the Secretary of State for Energy when he proposes to make a statement on coal mining in the Vale of Belvoir.

    I have been asked to reply.My right hon. Friend is still considering this matter and will announce his decision as soon as possible.

    asked the Secretary of State for Energy if he will give the acreage of land above recoverable coal measures in the Vale of Belvoir.

    I have been asked to reply.The area covered by the National Coal Board's planning applications is about 24,960 hectares.

    Defence

    Royal Air Force (Lindholme)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the present position in respect of the future use of the residential property at Royal Air Force Lindholme.

    The RAF has no further requirement for the married quarters at RAF Lindholme. Provided no other Service use for the quarters is established they will shortly be passed to the Property Services Agency for disposal.

    Tornado Aircraft

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence when it is anticipated that the last of the Tornado strike aircraft will enter Royal Air Force service.

    Royal Navy Bases (Married Quarters)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many married quarters are located in each of the main Royal Navy base areas; and to what extent families will have to move as a result of the closure of Chatham.

    The number of Service married quarters located in each of the main Royal Navy base areas is as follows:

    Married quarters
    Portsmouth5,312
    Plymouth3,597
    Chatham563
    Rosyth898
    Faslane1,175
    Portland651
    It is not possible at this stage to say how many families will have to move as a result of the Chatham closure.

    Eighth Field Force

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence to what extent the headquarters of eighth field force is composed of personnel without other peacetime duties as part of the headquarters of South-West district.

    Headquarters eighth field force is a self contained brigade-sized headquarters currently under command of the GOC South-West district. No personnel have peacetime duties as part of headquarters South-West district.

    Dartmouth (Training)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what ship is to be used in future to provide sea training for those under instruction at Dartmouth.

    HMS "Intrepid" will continue to fulfil this role until 1982, but no specific decision has been taken on arrangements after that date.

    Nimrod (Missiles)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether it is intended to fit air-to-surface missiles on the Nimrod maritime patrol aircraft as is being done on the equivalent United States Orion aircraft.

    We intend to order the Sea Eagle missile for use on Buccaneers, Sea Harrier and possibly Tornado, but there are no immediate plans to fit the Nimrod with air-to-surface missiles, although potential changes to the aircraft's equipment fit are kept under review.

    Tornado (Weapons)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence, whether the new advanced weapons for use by Tornados in attacking armoured forces and defences referred to in Cmnd. 8288 will be designed and manufactured in the United Kingdom.

    Av8b Aircraft

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence to what extent. the 60 new AV8Bs will replace the Royal Air Force's Harriers in (a) Germany and (b) the United Kingdom.

    Rapier Missile System

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the present equipment of the three batteries to be equipped with the tracked version of the Rapier missile system.

    Two of the three batteries mentioned in Cmnd. 8288 are equipped currently with the towed version of Rapier. The re-equipment will improve their capability. The third battery will be a new one formed for the purpose from within the Royal Artillery.

    Army Equipment Projects

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence which were the Army equipment projects referred to in Cmnd. 8288 as needing to be modified in scale of timing; and what are the modifications.

    The details are still being worked out, but for example the scale of the mechanised combat vehicle (MCV 80) programme will be reduced. Our procurement of the multiple launched rocket system will commence up to one year later than previously planned, and the entry into British Army service of SP 70 will be put back by one year. Our aim, however, is to ensure the progressive re-equipment of BAOR and to this end the planned buy of Milan firing posts and missiles will be increased. Priority will also be given to increasing supplies of ammunition and other war stocks.

    British Army Of The Rhine

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the present strength of the British Army of the Rhine; which division will be held in the United Kingdom as a reserve for the British Army of the Rhine; where its headquarters will be based; where the ninth regular brigade will be based; and whether the 5th field force will continue to be based in Germany and the 7th field force to be based in the United Kingdom in a supporting role for British Army of the Rhine.

    The current strength of the British Army of the Rhine is about 57,500. A final decision on which divisional headquarters should be re-located in the United Kingdom, and where, has not yet been taken. The ninth regular brigade for the British Army of the Rhine will be 7th field force, which will continue to be based at Colchester. Units currently based in Germany under command of 5th field force will remain there but will be re-assigned to the three new armoured divisions. 5th field force headquarters will be withdrawn to the United Kingdom to command the regular component of the reinforcing division at a location still to be decided.

    Royal Auxiliary Air Force

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence which stations are the bases for the three existing Royal Auxiliary Air Force squadrons; whether they are up to strength; how many additional squadrons it is intended to form; and where they will be based.

    The three Royal Auxiliary Air Force regiment squadrons are based at RAF Scampton, RAF Lossiemouth and RAF Honington. Currently the Royal Auxiliary Air Force regiment squadron at RAF Honington is at full strength, and the squadrons at RAF Lossiemouth and RAF Scampton are at 61 per cent. and 76 per cent. strength respectively.The Royal Auxiliary Air Force regiment squadron programme is being closely monitored and progress is encouraging. It is intended to form three new squadrons at other operational units, but it is not yet possible to say where they will be.

    Royal Air Force (Transport Squadrons)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether any changes are proposed in the number of aircraft in service with the Royal Air Force's VC10 and Hercules transport squadrons.

    Vc10 Aircraft

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many VC10 aircraft are being acquired from British Airways; how many are to be modified for use as (a) transport and (b) tankers; and how many are to be used as spares.

    Fourteen VC10s plus a range of spares and spare engines were acquired from British Airways earlier this year. As indicated in paragraph 13 of Cmnd. 8288, plans for further modification of RAF VC10s will depend on the economics of maintaining the present Victor fleet.

    Bloodhound Missiles

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence in what year the Bloodhound air defence missile first entered service; over what years the systems at present in service were manufactured; whether it is still intended to bring back to the United Kingdom those Bloodhounds in Germany; and at which stations they are or will be based.

    The Bloodhound Mk II system at present in service was manufactured between 1961 and 1966, first entering service in 1964. The RAF Germany Bloodhounds are being brought back to the United Kingdom and will be deployed to provide area cover for a wide range of potential targets in East Anglia.

    Sp70 Gun

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence when he expects the SP70 gun and the multiple launch rocket system to enter service.

    The multiple launch rocket system will enter service in the mid-1980s, and SP70 in the later part of the decade.

    Medium-Range Missile (Development)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what progress has been made in developing a new medium-range missile for defending the United Kingdom's home base.

    As was explained to my hon. Friend on 11 May—[Vol. 4, c. 207]—studies concerning a replacement for the existing Bloodhound missile, possibly as a collaborative project, are at an early stage.

    Rapid Deployment Force

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the main strategic purpose of the rapid deployment force which the United Kingdom has agreed to support.

    The main strategic purpose of the United States rapid deployment force is to deter, and where necessary resist in co-operation with local States, further encroachment by the Soviet Union and its allies and surrogates in strategically important regions of the world outside the NATO area.

    Hms "Illustrious"

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence which Royal naval base will provide the home port for HMS "Illustrious".

    Current plans envisage that Portsmouth will be the home port for the ASW carriers.

    North Atlantic Treaty Organisation

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence to what extent the proposed modernisation of North Atlantic Treaty Organisation European-based nuclear weapons will change the total number of such weapons, the total number of warheads and the total fire-power available to the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation.

    At the time of the December 1979 decision to modernise NATO's longer range theatre nuclear forces it was made clear that, as the new Pershing II and Cruise missiles are deployed from 1983 onwards, existing warheads will be withdrawn on a one-for-one basis. In addition, as an integral part of the NATO decision, the United States has already completed the removal of a further 1,000 warheads. The net result of the modernisation programme will therefore be a reduction of 1,000 warheads from the NATO theatre nuclear stockpile in Europe.

    Land-Based Nuclear Weapons (Europe)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the balance, as between Warsaw Pact and the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, in land-based nuclear weapons stationed in Europe, taking account both of numbers of such weapons and of numbers of warheads; and what is the balance for sea-based nuclear weapons.

    The balance of all land and sea-based land attack nuclear capable systems in the European theatre at the end of 1980 is set out in figure 2 of the Statement on the Defence Estimates 1981 (Cmnd. 8212–1). Since then the Soviet Union has increased the number of its SS20 missiles, each with 3 warheads, facing Western Europe from 120 to about 170. As paragraphs 204–5 of Cmnd. 8212–1 explain, it is not possible, for a number of reasons, to make a numerical comparison of the balance of nuclear warheads.

    D Notice System

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if, consequential upon his observations upon the third report from the Defence Committee, Cmnd. 8129, he will make a statement on the progress of the review by the Defence, Press and Broadcasting Committee of the D notice system.

    Satisfactory progress is being made with the Committee's review of the D notice system, which should be completed by the end of this year.

    Diesel-Powered Submarines

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence when he expects the first order for the new class of diesel-powered submarines, SSKs, mentioned in paragraph 26 of Cmnd. 8288 to be placed; and which naval shipyards are to be considered for that and subsequent orders.

    It is not the practice to publish planned order dates. As I explained to the hon. Member for Tynemouth (Mr. Trotter) on 1 July—[Vol. 7 c.428]—under present plans the first of the new class of diesel-powered submarines will be built at the Vickers shipyard in Barrow. It is too early to say where further orders might be placed.

    Royal Marines

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence by how much the established numbers of Royal Marines have been cut in the past 12 months.

    The established numbers of Royal Marines have been reduced in the past 12 months by some 800 officers and men mainly through the disbandment of 41 Commando, but as the number of trained Royal Marines is at present slightly below the new trained establishment of 7,200, recruiting will continue and no redundancy will be involved.