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Volume 23: debated on Tuesday 11 May 1982

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Written Answers To Questions

Tuesday 11 May 1982

Trade

Aviation Security Levy

asked the Minister for Trade whether he will extend the present reduction in the rate of the aviation security levy.

The aviation security fund remains in surplus. I attach great importance to keeping costs to the air transport industry to a minimum, and have therefore decided, subject to the approval of Parliament, to extend the reduction of 40p in the aviation security levy from 31 August 1982 until 31 March 1983; the levy will then revert to £1·50 on 1 April 1983. Draft Amendment Regulations to give effect to this will be laid shortly.

Trading Check Services

asked the Minister for Trade when the Monopolies and Mergers Commission report on the supply of trading check services is to be published; and if he will make a statement.

[pursuant to the reply, 10 December 1981, c. 445.]: I am now able to give the House further information pursuant to the statement by my right hon. Friend the Member for Gloucester (Mrs. Oppenheim) on 10 December 1981 when the Monopolies and Mergers Commission's report was published. In its report the commission concluded that the practice of Provident Financial Group companies of continuing to include in their agreements with retailers, other than "scheme operators," a restriction on dealings with other suppliers of reference services, operated against the public interest. The Commission argued that although Provident might not actively enforce the restriction it might be regarded by retailers in whose agreements it appears as still binding upon them and so have the effect of leading them to restrict their use of the services of other suppliers of trading check franchise services and reduce competition in the supply of these services.On 11 March the Secretary of State for Trade received and accepted undertakings from Provident Financial Group plc in the following terms:

Provident Financial Group plc undertakes to the Secretary of State for Trade:
1 To procure that none of its subsidiary companies will enter into any agreement for the supply of trading check services to a retailer (other than an agreement of the type described below) which contains a provision restricting that retailer from acquiring such services other than from Provident or any subsidiary company of Provident.
2 To notify any retailer who is party to an existing agreement with Provident, or any subsidiary company of Provident for the supply of trading check services, that Provident or any subsidiary company of Provident will not enforce that part of that agreement which comprises a restrictive provision as is described in undertaking 1 above.
These undertakings will not apply to any agreement for the supply of trading check services entered into with a retailer who is a "scheme operator", that is a retailer who is allowed by Provident or any subsidiary company of Provident to sell goods or services direct to a customer in the customer's own home either by accompanying an agent of Provident or any subsidiary company of Provident or by relying on the agent to make the sake.

Insolvencies

asked the Minister for Trade in how many cases in each year since section 9 of the Insolvency Act 1976 came into force particulars of directors of insolvent companies have been referred to him under the Act for consideration of their being debarred from acting as directors of companies; how many cases are still under consideration and in how many cases directors have been debarred.

[pursuant to his reply, 10 May 1982, c. 178]: Since 1 October 1977, when Section 9 of the Insolvency Act 1976 came into operation, reports solely concerned with consideration of applications for disqualifying Orders against 82 directors have been submitted to the Department, as follows:

Numbers
197813
197913
198031
198121
*19824
* to date.
Reports in relation to 51 persons are under consideration by the Department or its legal advisers; it has been decided in relation to 28 to take no action; and three persons have been disqualified by orders of the court from acting as directors or being concerned in the management of any limited company for five years.

asked the Minister for Trade in how many cases in each of the last five years official receivers have submitted reports suggesting that (a) directors of limited companies and (b) bankrupts have (i) committed offences under the insolvency laws and (ii) committed other offences; how many prosecutions have been brought in each year in each category and how many convictions resulted.

[pursuant to his reply, 10 May 1982, c. 178]: Official receivers submitted reports alleging the commission of criminal offences by bankrupts and by officers of limited companies in the following number of cases:

BankruptciesCompulsory Liquidations
197738875
1978326111
1979274136
1980266141
1981279173
It is not possible readily to analyse the offences alleged, but statistics covering the prosecutions which were mounted following those reports are published annually in the bankruptcy annual general report and the annual report on companies, the latest of which cover the period down to 31 December 1980. The provisional figures for the year to 31 December 1981 are as follows:

Insolvency offences charged convictions

Other offences charged convictions

Directors etc. of companies in compulsory liquidation128792929
Bankrupts273235153120

British Midland Airways

asked the Minister for Trade when British Midland Airways appealed to him against the Civil Aviation Authority's refusal to grant a licence to compete with British Airways on the Heathrow to Glasgow and Heathrow to Edinburgh trunk routes.

asked the Minister for Trade when British Midland Airways applied to the Civil Aviation Authority for permission to compete with British Airways on the Heathrow to Glasgow and Heathrow to Edinburgh trunk routes of which British Airways currently holds the monopoly.

National Finance

Special Deposits

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer, further to his reply dated 23 April, Official Report, c. 157–58, concerning the interest payable on special deposits, whether his figures included supplementary special deposits levied under the corset form of control; and if he will publish the information for these deposits separately.

No; and I refer the hon. Member to an article on the supplementary special deposits scheme in the March 1982 edition of the Bank of England Quarterly Bulletin.

Money Supply

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what was the percentage increase in the velocity of circulation of money in the decades ended in 1963, 1973 and 1980 and in the period 1973 to 1980; how these figures compare with the increase in manufacturing output; and what information he has as to the comparable figures for the Federal Republic of Germany.

Percentage increases in the velocity of circulation of sterling M3 in the decades ending in 1963, 1973 and 1980, and in the period 1973 to 1980, may be derived from the table given in my reply of 21 April, Official Report, c. 91–92. Figures of velocity for the Federal Republic of Germany may be derived from the IMF publication, International Financial Statistics.To compare the increases in United Kingdom velocity with increases in manufacturing output, I refer the hon. Member to the manufacturing industry component of the index of production, published in the

Economic Trends annual supplement. Comparable figures for the Federal Republic of Germany are given in the OECD publications, Main Economic Indicators and Industrial Production.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer, further to his reply of 21 April, Official Report, c. 91–2, concerning the velocity of circulation of money, what was the percentage increase in velocity between 1974 and 1980; what was the reason for the increase; and what information he has as to how the figures compare with those of other industrial countries over this period.

The percentage increase in velocity of circulation of sterling M3 between 1974 and 1980 may be derived from the table given in my reply of 21 April, Official Report, c. 91–2. The reasons for the increase were given in my reply of 10 May, Official Report, c. 186–7. Figures for the velocity of circulation of money in other industrial countries may be derived by taking the ratio of the figures for gross national product to those for money, seasonally adjusted, given in the country tables of the monthly IMF publication, "International Financial Statistics."

Civil Servants (Salary Scales)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what are the reasons for incremental salary scales for some non-industrial civil servants and not for others.

Over 98 per cent. of non-industrial civil servants are paid on incremental salary scales with about half on the maximum of their scale. Pay scales or ranges are a means of recognising increasing skill and experience in the job and are widely used outside the Civil Service. A small number of Civil Service staff are paid on flat rates where incremental scales are not appropriate. They include senior staff at under-secretary level and above, and some staff at more junior levels such as cleaners and those on short-term engagements.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the average size of the increments to be received by civil servants in the current financial year; and what percentage increase such increments represent.

In the current financial year just under half of non-industrial civil servants will be eligible for increments worth on average £300 per annum. The average value of these increments to recipients will be about 4·6 per cent. of salary or about 2·3 per cent. across the non-industrial Civil Service as a whole.

Nationalised Industries

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he has reached agreement with nationalised industry chairmen on proposals for changes in the relationship between the industries and the Government; and if he will make a statement.

I have nothing to add to the statement made by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Industry on 15 March.—[Vol. 20, c. 24–5.]

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will publish in the Official Report a table updating for 1982–83 on the same price bases the answer of 18 January 1982 to the hon. Member for South Ayrshire, Official Report, c. 78, on the disposal of public industrial interests.

[pursuant to his reply, 10 May 1982, c. 187]: The latest Financial Statement and Budget Report estimated that total receipts from special sales of assets were likely to be £700 million in 1982–83. Deflated by the change in the GDP deflator, this is equivalent to about £500 million in 1979–80 prices. As in previous years, the estimate represents a broad forecast of the value of special sales of assets as a whole. It is not practicable to give detailed advance estimates of receipts from individual disposals, given uncertainties of timing and future market conditions.

Pensions

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he has any figures available for average occupational pension rises over the past three years; and whether he will consider limiting future Civil Service pension increases to the level of increase provided by an index of private sector occupational pensions.

The most recent information available to the Government is that summarised in chapter 10 of the Government Actuary's sixth survey of occupational pension schemes 1979—HMSO 1981—which related to increases in 1979; tha summarised in the Government Actuary's review of the adjustment for differences in superannuation benefits—HMSO 1980—which formed part of the 1980 Civil Service pay research exercise and related to increases over periods of up to the previous five years; and that published—with qualifications—in the 1981 National Association of Pension Funds survey. The Government are reviewing the question of inflation-proofed public sector pensions in the light of the Scott report.

Wick Airport (Customs And Excise Clearance)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer when he expects to be able to give a substantive reply to the question of the hon. Member for Caithness and Sutherland of 29 April, Official Report, c. 314, concerning Customs and Excise clearance facilities at the airport, Wick, Caithness; and if he will set out the reasons why it was not possible for him to take a decision on this matter in time to allow the scheduled air service between Wick and Vagar, Faroe Islands, to begin as planned on 4 May, in view of the prior notice given to him of the need for these facilities.

As the hon. Member will be aware, his question was answered on 6 May. The delay in answering is regretted but this matter required the most careful consideration.

Development Land Tax

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer (1) what were the annual administration costs of the development land tax office in each of the last three years;(2) what proportion of the yield from development land tax in 1981–82 was attributable to deemed disposals; and what was the yield from actual disposals;(3) what is the expected total yield from development land tax in the financial years

(a) 1981–82 and (b) 1982–83.

Assets (Special Sales)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will make a statement on the proceeds from special sales of assets in 1981–82.

The 1981–82 gross proceeds from sales of assets have now been computed and amount to £481 million, compared with the target of £500 million set in Cmnd. 8175, paragraph 1.29. This figure was made up as follows:

£ million (cash)
Sale of leases of certain motorway service areas—sales of land and buildings19
British Sugar Corporation shares44
Cable and Wireless shares182
New Town Development Corporations and the Commission for New Towns—Sales of land and buildings73
Sale of Oil stockpiles50
Sale of other stocks19
Amersham International64
Forestry Commission—sales of land, plantations and buildings7
National Freight Company5
National Enterprise Board—sale of certain shares2
Crown Agents—sale of property7
Property Services Agency—sale of property1
Government's nil—paid rights in 1981 BP rights issue8
Gross Total481
This total does not allow for the effect of delivery by the British National Oil Corporation of £573 million worth of oil paid for in 1980–81. The effect of this was a £573 million offset to the total producing a net figure of minus £92 million.

Preferential Debts

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how much has been recovered by the Inland Revenue and the value added tax authorities in each of the last five years from insolvent companies and individuals by way of preferential debts under the insolvency laws.

The information requested in respect of value added tax is on record only for the last two financial years. In respect of the year 1979–80 the preferential element has been estimated from the total debts recovered. Information in respect of previous years can be obtained only at disproportionate cost.

1979–80*1980–811981–82
thousandthousandthousand
Individuals in bankruptcy and companies in liquidation2,5242,9273,953
Companies in receivership2,1992,8335,728
* Estimated.
The Inland Revenue does not maintain statistics that distinguish between preferential and non-preferential amounts. The approximate total recoveries from insolvencies dealt with at its central enforcement office have been as follows:

Amounts recovered

thousand

1977–783,400
1978–794,500
1979–804,800
1980–815,200
1981–826,400

Substantial amounts have also been recovered from insolvencies dealt with at local collection offices but no separate record of these amounts is kept.

Attorney-General

Public Bodies (Departmental Assistance)

asked the Attorney-General what bodies or organisations, for the day-to-day work or administration of which he does not answer parliamentary questions, receive finance from his Department's Vote, or that of the Lord Chancellor.

My own Department does not finance any bodies or organisations. The Lord Chancellor's Department sponsors a number of advisory bodies and tribunals which are listed in "Non-Departmental Public Bodies: Facts and Figures 1981". While answering questions on the general principles underlying these grants, he does not answer for their detailed administration.

Home Department

Mr And Mrs Karas (Residence Permits)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when the hon. Member for Stroud may expect an answer to his letter dated 19 October 1981 about residence permits for Mr. and Mrs. Karas.

Sex Discrimination Act (Amendments)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what response he has given to the Equal Opportunities Commission following his consideration of proposed amendments to the Sex Discrimination Act submitted to him by the commission.

The commission submitted revised proposals for amending the Sex Discrimination Act 1975 on 7 May. These will be considered in detail, but the commission is aware that there is no early prospect of amending legislation.

Education And Science

Young Persons (Training)

47.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science when he expects to reply to the proposals sent to him by the chairman of the advisory committee on the supply and education of teachers in relation to the new training initiative for young people; and if he will make a statement.

My right hon. Friend welcomes the advice of the advisory committee on this matter, and is writing to the chairman informing him of this. He is now considering the most appropriate ways of implementing the recommendations and, in particular, of promoting the dialogue with regional advisory councils and local education authorities which the committee recommends.

Public Bodies (Departmental Assistance)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what bodies or organisations, for the day-to-day work or administration of which he does not answer parliamentary questions, receive finance from his Department's Vote.

In addition to a wide variety of nonofficial bodies to which my Department gives grants, it is the sponsor Department for a number of executive bodies listed in "Non-Departmental Public Bodies; Facts and Figures 1981" which receive finance from my votes. While I answer questions on the general principles underlying these grants, I do not answer for their detailed administration.

European Community (Education Ministers' Meeting)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the purpose and scope of the proposed informal meeting of Education Ministers of the European Economic Community on 24 May; and what items are on the agenda.

At their meeting on 24 May the Ministers will receive two reports from the Education Committee of the European Economic Community on the academic recognition of diplomas and periods of study, and on education and training in the context of unemployment. They will be asked to adopt a resolution for a new phase of the existing programme of pilot projects on the transition from school to work. Also on the agenda will be a note on recent discussions between member States on the effects of demographic change on education systems, and a statement by the Commission on the implications of new technology for education and training systems.

Grammar Schools

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will list in the Official Report those local authorities that still operate grammar schools.

In January 1981, the latest date for which information is available, the following 36 local education authorities in England had one or more grammar

schools:Bolton
BarnetTrafford
BexleyCalderdale
BromleyKirklees
EnfieldInner London
Kingston upon ThamesAvon
RedbridgeBerkshire
SuttonBucknghamshire
BirminghamCumbria
WalsallDerbyshire
WolverhamptonDevon
LiverpoolDorset
WirralEssex
Gloucestershire
Hereford and Worcester

KentNorth Yorkshire
LancashireShropshire
LincolnshireStaffordshire
NorfolkWarwickshire

Teachers (Pay)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he has any further examples of teachers salaries being paid for partly or wholly by parental contributions since his reply to the hon. Member for Wolverhampton, North-East on 3 March, Official Report, c. 154.

Secondary Schools (Select Committee Report)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science when he will publish a reply to the second report, Session 1981–82, from the Education, Science and Arts Committee, "The Secondary School Curriculum and Examinations".

The Government's initial responses to the report has been published today. Copies are available in the Vote Office. The Government's response to the remaining recommendations will be given in due course.

Toxteth

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will make a statement on education in Toxteth.

Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Schools today issued a report on education in Toxteth to the Liverpool education authority and I am arranging for copies to be made available in the Vote Office. Based upon HMI's inspections, visits and general work in the area, the report examines the educational provision made in Toxteth within its social and economic context. The report identifies a number of matters requiring attention and I am inviting the new authority to discuss their implications with me as a matter of urgency.

Energy

National Coal Board

asked the Secretary of State for Energy if he has any plans to privatise any of the National Coal Board's present operations.

I have nothing to add to what I told the House in the Adjournment debate on 23 November 1981.

asked the Secretary of State for Energy whether he will invite Lord Sieff or some other director of Marks and Spencer to become chairman of the National Coal Board.

I have nothing to add to the reply given to the hon. Member for West Stirlingshire (Mr. Canavan) on Monday, 21 December 1981.

Public Bodies (Departmental Assistance)

asked the Secretary of State for Energy what bodies or organisations, for the day-to-day work or administration of which he does not answer parliamentary questions, receive finance from his Department's Vote.

In addition to the non-official bodies to which my Department gives grants, it is the sponsor Department for the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority, listed as an executive body in "Non-Departmental Public Bodies: Facts and Figures 1981", and for the nationalised coal, gas and electricity industries which receive finance from or through my Votes. While I answer questions on the general principles underlying the provision of finance to these bodies, I do not answer for their detailed administration.My Department also makes contributions to various international organisations such as the International Atomic Energy Agency, the Nuclear Energy Agency and the International Energy Agency.

Central Electricity Generating Board

asked the Secretary of State for Energy whether he will invite Lord Sieff or some other director of Marks and Spencer to become chairman of the Central Electricity Generating Board.

The names of candidates for the chairmanship of the Central Electricity Generating Board are confidential. I am considering the position and will make a statement in due course.

Wave Energy

asked the Secretary of State for Energy, pursuant to his reply to the hon. Member for Wolverhampton, North-East on 6 April, Official Repot,c. 286, if he has yet considered the advice of the Advisory Council on Research and Development for Fuel and Power regarding wave energy; if he will publish this advice; and if he will make a statement.

As I announced on 27 April in reply to the hon. Member for Brighouse and Spenborough (Mr. Waller), I have placed in the Libraries of both Houses a summary of the advice of the advisory council on research and development for fuel and power on the renewable energy programmes. This includes advice on wave energy. My right hon. Friend will announce decisions on the future programme shortly.

Wales

Cot Deaths

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what has been the number of cot deaths in Wales in each of the past three years.

The numbers of deaths of children under one year of age in Wales where the term "sudden unexpected death in infancy" or "cot death" or other synonym was mentioned on the death certificate, were as follows:

Year

Number

197843
197954
198072

Local Authorities (Expenditure)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will give the total expenditure, analysed by current and capital expenditure, by each of the local authorities in Wales, together with a corresponding analysis of the revenue and borrowing which funds such expenditure, analysed between domestic rates, non-domestic rates, grants, fees, borrowing and other categories of income.

Information in the detail requested is not readily available and could be obtained only at disproportionate cost.

Local Government Finance (No 2) Bill

asked the Secretary of State for Wales whether it is the view of Her Majesty's Government that clause 4, as amended, of the Local Government Finance (No. 2) Bill applies to Welsh local authorities; and whether it is his intention that there should be a selective holdback of grant penalising individual local authorities.

The Local Government Finance (No. 2) Bill applies to local authorities in Wales. The way in which clause 4 would apply in Wales in 1982–83 is a matter for discussion with the Welsh local authority associations. We have made no decisions in advance of such discussions being concluded.

Local Authorities (Overspend)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what, on the latest estimates available to him, is the total overspend of Welsh local authorities for 1981–82; and what action he proposes in respect thereof.

The 1981–82 Welsh rate support grant settlement provided for total local authority current expenditure of £1,034 million in cash terms—£966 at November 1980 prices. The latest estimate is that this will have been exceeded by 5·1 per cent—£52 million—in cash terms—2·2 per cent. or £20·8 million at November 1980 prices. We have made no decisions yet on the action we might take in the light of these figures and will be discussing them with the local authority associations later this month.

Chronically Sick And Disabled Persons Act 1970

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will consult the Wales Council for the Disabled on the production of a Welsh language version of the publication by the disabilities study unit entitled "The Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act: A Brief Guide to Services", and if he will make a statement.

I refer the hon. Member to the reply given by my hon. Friend the Minister for Social Security to the hon. Member for Eccles (Mr. Carter-Jones) on 26 February 1982—[Vol. 18, c. 519–20.] The possible publication of further versions of this leaflet is a matter for the disabilities study unit to consider.

Prime Minister

Engagements

Q3.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 11 May.

Q5.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q6.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q7.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q8.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q9.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q10.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q11.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 11 May.

Q15.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q17.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q18.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q19.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 11 May.

Q20.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 11 May.

Q21.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q22.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q24.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q25.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q26.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q27.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q28.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q29.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q30.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 11 May.

Q31.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q32.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 11 May.

Q33.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q34.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 11 May.

Q35.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q36.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q37.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q38.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

Q39.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 May.

This morning I presided at a meeting of the Cabinet and had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others. In addition to my duties in the House I shall have further meetings later today. This evening I shall be dining with the Committee of Vice Chancellors and Principals.

Unemployment Benefit

Q12.

asked the Prime Minister what percentage of average male earnings was unemployment benefit for a man who had been out of work for two months and was married with two children in May 1979; and how this compares with May 1980, 1981 and 1982.

In May 1979 a married man with two children who had previously been on average male earnings would have received unemployment benefit, earnings-related supplement and child benefit which amounted to 59·7 per cent.—£48·49—of the net income of his employed counter-part—a more relevant comparison than with his gross earnings. The corresponding figure for May 1980 is 55·9 per cent.—£55·85; and the provisional figure for May 1981 is 52·2 per cent.—£57·50. A comparable figure for May 1982 will not be available until mid-July. This situation changes significantly if one takes into account the supplementary benefit position. Assuming the two children were under age 5, supplementary benefit scale rates with heating addition and an average rent addition for an unemployed claimant amounted to 53·8 per cent., 54 per cent. and 60·8 per cent. of that net income at May 1979, May 1980 and May 1981 respectively.

Factory Closures

Q13.

asked the Prime Minister how many hon. Members she has seen on matters relating to factory closures since she last answered oral questions; and how many jobs were expected to be lost in the closures mentioned.

Plastic And Rubber Bullets

Q14.

asked the Prime Minister if she will ensure that rubber or plastic bullets may no longer be used by security forces anywhere in the United Kingdom.

Falkland Islands

Q16.

asked the Prime Minister whether she will make a statement on the latest developments over the Falkland Islands.

We are continuing serious and intensive efforts to arrive at a peaceful solution through the negotiations being conducted by the Secretary General of the United Nations. At the same time we are maintaining the exclusion zone around the Falkland Islands, and keeping up the diplomatic and economic, as well as military, pressures on the Argentines. Our objective remains, in accordance with Security Council resolution 502, to end the unlawful Argentine occupation and to create the conditions for genuine negotiations on the future of the islands. It is Argentine intransigence which has so far prevented this.

asked the Prime Minister who were the privy councillors to whom she extended an invitation to join her to discuss matters connected with the Falkland Islands difficulties; whether the leaders of all of the political parties were included; and if she will give reasons for her choice.

At their request, I have held meetings on privy councillor terms with the right hon. Members for Roxburgh, Selkirk and Peebles (Mr. Steel) and Plymouth Devonport (Dr. Owen); the right hon. Member for Down, South (Mr. Powell); and the right hon. Member for Western Isles (Mr. Stewart). The right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Oppostion declined my invitation to join the first of these meetings.

South Georgia

Q23.

asked the Prime Minister if she will make a statement on the current situation in South Georgia.

As I reported to the House on 26 April, British authority was re-established in South Georgia on 25 April. The Argentine troops and civilians captured there have now been taken off the island, as have the British Antarctic survey personnel and the two wild-life photographers. A British presence remains on the islands.

Northern Ireland

Public Bodies (Departmental Assistance)

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what bodies or organisations, for the day-to-day work or administration of which he does not answer parliamentary questions, receive finance from his Department's Vote.

In addition to the non-official bodies and local authorities to which the Northern Ireland Departments give grants, they are sponsors for a number of executive bodies listed in "Non-Departmental Public Bodies; Facts and Figures 1981". In addition the Northern Ireland electricity service, the Northern Ireland Housing Executive, the Northern Ireland fire authority, the Northern Ireland Transport Holding Company, and its subsidiary public transport companies, and Harland and Wolff Ltd. and Short Brothers Ltd., which are publicly owned, receive finance from my Votes, and while I answer questions on the general principles underlying grants made, I do not answer for their detailed administration.

Residential Accommodation (Charges)

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will consider applying to charges levied for residential accommodation for the elderly criteria that will permit elderly persons who have saved money during their working lives to retain it and not be called upon by the health boards to contribute towards the cost of such accommodation.

In Northern Ireland the assessment of the ability of elderly people to pay for statutory residential accommodation is made on the same basis as the rest of the United Kingdom. The rules applied are based on the supplementary benefit scheme rules, and any change would have to be applied throughout the United Kingdom.

Industry

Small Firms Loan Guarantee Scheme

asked the Secretary of State for Industry, further to the reply of 5 May to the hon. Member for Surrey, North-West, Official Report, c. 82, whether he had had detailed discussions with the various organisations representing small firms as part of his preliminary review of the loan guarantee scheme.

I have not arranged discussions with the small firms organisations specifically on my review of

European Regional Development Fund—Non-quota Measure for Steel Breakdown by Region and Measure
ZoneTotalConversion of Disused Buildings, etc. (Article 4(1))Consultancy (Article 4(3))Common Services for SME's (Article 4(4))Technical Innovation (Article 4(5))Risk Evaluation Studies (Article 4(6))Total Article 4(3)–4(6)
ECU£ECU£ECU£ECU£ECU£ECU£ECU£
Strathclyde7,0003,8885,6003,11175642010558434241105581,400777
Cleveland4,3002,3893,4401,91146425865362661486536860478
Corby (Employment office area)2,7001,5002,1601,2002921624021168934026540297
Clwyd4,7502,6393,8002,11151328571402951637140950528
South Glamorgan4,7502,6393,8002,11151328571402951637140950528
West Glamorgan4,7502,6393,8002,11151328571402951637140950528
Gwent4,7502,6393,8002,11151328571402951637140950528
33,00018,33426,40014,6663,5641,9804942752,0481,1344942756,6003,664
£=ECU 1·8
ECU '000
£'000

the loan guarantee scheme. However, I have taken careful note of the many comments and views expressed to me since the scheme came into operation. These include many comments from small firms organisations but also from other Parliamentary colleagues, business men, bankers, and professional advisers.

European Regional Development Fund

asked the Secretary of State for Industry what is the current position on aid from the European regional development fund to United Kingdom steel and shipbuilding closure areas.

I am pleased to report that the special programme of Community aid to certain United Kingdom steel closure areas has now been formally approved by the Commission of the European Communities. The programme represents a valuable contribution by the Community towards over-coming the worst effects of the closure of steel works in Strathclyde, Cleveland, Clwyd, Gwent, South and West Glamorgan, and Corby.It provides 33 million European Currency Units—over £18 million—to be made available over the period 1981–85 to help the development of new employment-creating activities in these areas. Her Majesty's Government had decided that the potential growth of small and medium-sized enterprises is best assured by devoting most of this aid—£14·7 million—towards the improvement of run-down areas and the conversion of disused buildings into suitable new premises which will allow a total expenditure of almost £30 million for this purpose. The enterprises will at the same time be able to benefit from the remaining £3·7 million aid which has been set aside for the provision of consultancy and common services, help on technical innovation and information and on facilitating access to risk capital.The following table indicates the amounts to be made available to the steel closure areas covered by the programme. The United Kingdom shipbuilding programme is currently awaiting Commission approval.

Social Services

In-Patient Statistics

3.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many in-patients were treated in National Health Service hospitals in the last 12 months for which figures are available.

The most recent figure is for 1980, when the total number completing in-patient treatment in England was 5,670,001, which was a 5 per cent. increase on the year before.

Hounslow Hospital

6.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the estimated cost to the Department of negotiating with the Hounslow hospital community project for the lease of Hounslow hospital.

17.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he will receive a deputation from the Hounslow hospital community project to discuss the sale of Hounslow hospital.

The cost of such a lease would depend on its terms and on the amount which might otherwise be gained for the NHS through sale of the site. I have asked the new Hounslow and Spelthorne health authority to review the future use of Hounslow hospital and in the meantime to consider the possibility of an immediate short-term concessionary lease. If agreement on this cannot be reached locally I should then be willing to receive a deputation.

"Children And Poverty"

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he has studied "Children and Poverty" by the Child Poverty Action Group; and what is his policy towards the recommendations contained therein.

I have studied the report with interest. Within the supplementary benefit scheme, the Government have made a point of channelling extra resources towards families with children. But I cannot endorse the basis of the report's argument. Successive Governments have agreed with the view of the Supplementary Benefits Commission that the supplementary benefit scale rates should not be based on a list of requirements which is bound to be arbitrary in nature.

Health Service Patients (Overseas Treatment)

20.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many National Health Service patients have been sent to other European Economic Community countries for specialist medical treatment in recent years.

Since the United Kingdom joined the European Community in 1973, about 120 people have been referred to other member States specifically to receive medical treatment under the provisions of the Community social security regulations.

Child Care

21.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the policy of Her Majesty's Government towards the proposals contained in the Child Care Bill and the Child Care (No. 2) Bill [Lords].

We are concerned that proper attention should be paid to the rights of families with children in care. There are already substantial safeguards and we are not convinced that further legislation is needed.

Blood Supplies

22.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether there is sufficient whole blood available for use within the National Health Service.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services, pursuant to the replies to the hon. Member for Wolverhampton, North-East on 29 October, Official Report, c. 450, and on 3 March 1982, Official Report, c. 171, if he has yet completed the discussions he is holding with representatives of the National Health Service and the private sector with a view to introducing charges to cover the handling and processing costs incurred by the national blood transfusion service in supplying blood to private hospitals and clinics.

I expect to complete them shortly and then to make an announcement.

National Health Service (Pay)

23.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will make a statement on the progress of negotiations on the future pay structure of ancillary staff and nurses of the National Health Service.

I discussed the development of permanent arrangements for nurses pay with the Nurses and Midwives Whitley council on 17 March. As a result I have asked my hon. and learned Friend the Minister for Health to chair a small working group, on which both sides of the Whitley council will be represented, to produce more detailed proposals. We are anxious to move forward on this complex issue and I hope the working group will meet shortly. No long-term change in the pay structure of ancillary staff is under negotiation.

30.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will make a statement concerning the progress of negotiations on Health Service pay.

I refer the hon. Member to ray right hon. Friend's reply to him on 6 April.—[Vol. 21, c. 294.] These offers remain on the table.

40.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he will make a statement on the dispute in the hospital service.

I very much regret that some industrial action is taking place in some parts of the Health Service. It is the responsibility of district health authorities to respond to this action at local level.The Government have given clear general guidance on the handling of industrial action and I look to regional health authorities, in the exercise of their general management responsibilities, to follow this guidance when they are assisting to resolve local problems.

Small Cottage Hospitals

24.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he proposes to issue fresh guidance to the new district health authorities in relation to small cottage hospitals such as the Victoria hospital, Romford.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he proposes to issue fresh guidance to the new district health authorities in the South-West of England in relation to small cottage hospitals such as Torrington hospital and Okehampton; and if he will make a statement.

I am still considering and consulting on the important question of general guidance on hospital services. I hope to reach conclusions in the summer.

St George's Hospital, Tooting (Dental School)

25.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will make a statement as to the future use to be made of the dental school at St. George's hospital, Tooting, London SW17.

The use of the Royal Dental Hospital of London School of Dental Surgery facilities at Tooting is a matter for the University of London, for which the Department is not responsible.

Benefits

26.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what consideration he has given to introducing flexible ages for eligibility for retirement benefit; and if he will make a statement.

I refer my hon. Friend to the considerations set out in chapter 3 of the Government's White Paper "Growing Older", Cmnd. 8173, and in the published oral and written evidence submitted by the Department to the Social Services Committee for its current study of the age of retirement. The Government's view is that arrangements for flexible retirement are a desirable long-term objective but that the cost of any worthwhile changes, the need to safeguard pensioner incomes on retirement, and the need to give occupational pension schemes and other interested parties lengthy advance notice of any change in present provisions preclude any early prospect of change in this direction. We shall be giving further consideration to the whole question of retirement age in the light of the Select Committee's report, which should be published later this year.

33.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will give the figures for those of working age receiving supplementary benefit in May 1979 at the latest available date; and if he will also state the percentage increase.

In May 1979, 1·16 million people were receiving supplementary allowance, compared with 1·99 million in December 1981. This is an increase of 72 per cent.Source: "Quarterly Statistical Enquiries" May 1979 and December 1981.

42.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what action is being taken to reduce delays in dealing with applications for mobility, attendance and disablement benefit.

I am aware that there is some delay in clearing claims to mobility allowance and attendance allowance because of the increase in the number of claims to these benefits. I have asked that efforts be made to improve clearance times. I am not aware of any general delay in dealing with claims to disablement benefit, but if the hon. Member has a particular case in mind I should be glad to have details.

45.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will bring in measures to enable all unemployed persons to receive the long-term rate of supplementary benefits.

We have recently extended entitlement to the long-term rate to unemployed supplementary beneficiaries aged 60 and over who have been receiving benefit for a year. We are well aware of the case for wider extensions of entitlement but cannot go further in present economic circumstances.

Mentally Handicapped Persons (Secure Units)

27.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what problems are being experienced by the Rotherham, Doncaster and Barnsley health authorities in providing sufficient places in secure units for mentally handicapped persons in each of those areas.

I am not aware of any current problems being experienced by the Rotherham, Barnsley and Doncaster health authorities in placing mentally handicapped people in need of secure facilities. The Department has been aware of problems regarding the placement of some individual patients during the past year, but, so far as I am aware, all of these cases have now been satisfactorily resolved. However, if the hon. Member knows of any particular difficulties which cannot be resolved locally perhaps he will write to me giving details and I will look into them.At present Trent regional health authority has a 40-place unit providing medium secure accommodation for seriously disturbed mentally handicapped patients at Aston Hall hospital near Derby.

Christmas Bonus

28.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he will ensure that administrative measures are taken in 1982 that will avoid a repetition of the previous year's delays in paying the Christmas bonus to many retirement pensioners.

37.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what steps he is taking to ensure that the 1982 Christmas bonus is paid to everyone on time.

Yes. Procedures for payment of the bonus have been reviewed in the light of the 1981 exercise and, where necessary, instructions on payment arrangements are being strengthened.

Midwifery

29.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what guidance he has issued to district health authorities on the organisation of midwifery services.

I refer the hon. Member to my hon. Friend's reply to the hon. Members for Harlow (Mr. Newens), and for Pontefract and Castleford (Mr. Lofthouse) earlier today. I am sending him a copy of the circular mentioned.

34.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when last he met the Royal College of Midwives to discuss the organisation of the midwifery service.

My right hon. Friend last met representatives of the Royal College of Midwives, together with a number of organisations representing nursing interests, on 1 March 1982.

Patients (Records)

31.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he has issued any guidance to regional health authorities about the information that should be recorded by doctors or midwives and retained in the records of the regional health authorities.

Information recorded by doctors and midwives and other health care staff is required primarily for the care and treatment of patients. Selected information is also used for the planning and provision of services, and for research and statistical purposes. The Department has issued no recent guidance on this, but advice is given as necessary on the recording of information for particular purposes. The steering group on health services information, chaired by Mrs. Körner, vice-chairman of the South-Western regional health authority, is reviewing many aspects of NHS information arrangements.

Mothers (Ethnic Origins)

32.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether his Department has requested the regional health authorities to record the ethnic origin of women who have given birth.

Data on ethnic origin are not required in current national health statistical systems, nor is there any proposal to include them.

National Health Service (Expenditure)

35.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what proportion of gross national product is currently devoted to the National Health Service; and how this compares with 1979.

In 1979 total expenditure on the National Health Service represented 4·8 per cent. of the gross national product at market prices. It is provisionally estimated that the corresponding figure for 1982 will be 5·5 per cent.

36.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he will make a statement on the alternative funding of the National Health Service.

I am still considering with colleagues the exploratory material provided by the interdepartmental working party.

Community Health Councils

38.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what he estimates the cost of community health councils to be in England and Wales in 1982–83.

Information is not held centrally about community health council budgets in England. Budgets are determined by regional health authorities.

Private Patients

39.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he is satisfied with the arrangements for private patients in National Health Service hospitals.

Broadly yes, but individual health authorities are responsible for the management of private practice within the hospitals in their district.

District Health Authorities (Appointments)

41.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what advice he has given on the considerations to be borne in mind in appointing members of district health authorities.

Guidance to regional health authorities and local authorities with the right to make appointments to district health authorities was set out in circular HC(81) 6/LAC(81)3 issued in May 1981. I am sending a copy to the hon. Member.

Obstetric And Neonatal Care

43.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when the minimum standards of obstetric and neonatal care will be established.

46.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when the minimum standards of obstetric and neonatal care will be established.

We are still considering the content of minimum standards in obstetrics and neonatal care.

Social Security Offices

44.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he is satisfied with administrative arrangements in local social security offices.

We are constantly seeking to improve our administrative arrangements. If my hon. Friend has any specific points in mind, I should be glad to consider them.

St George's Hospital, Stafford

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he is now able to report on the inquiry carried out by the chairman of the West Midlands regional health authority following the representations made by the Mid-Staffordshire branch of the Royal College of Nursing into the impact of Government expenditure cuts on the funding of the Mid-Staffordshire health authority and the nurse staffing situation at St. George's hospital, Stafford.

The Government have increased expenditure on the National Health Service and have made no expenditure cuts. The allocation of funds with the West Midlands is a matter for the West Midlands regional health authority. That authority has increased its allocation to the Mid-Staffordshire health authority this year by £950,000. Problems of nurse staffing at any individual hospital have to be left to local discretion.

Employment

Work Availability (Pilot Trial)

48.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many men and women, respectively, have completed form UB671 as part of the pilot trial of work availability.

During the pilot scheme at unemployment benefit offices, which was designed to try out procedures for testing the availability for work of people claiming unemployment benefit, 866 completed forms UB671 were received. Separate figures were not kept for men and women.

Women Employees

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what percentage of the following jobs are held by women in the engineering industry: (a) managers, (b) scientists and technologists, (c) technicians, (d) administrative and professional staff, (e) clerical and secretarial staff, (f) supervisors, (g) crafts and (h) operators.

Information for all occupations requested is not available. The following table shows the latest available estimates for Great Britain for 1979.

Occupation*Women employed in engineering† as proportion of all employees Per cent.
Managerial0·6
Professional and related in science, engineering, technology and similar fields0·1
Laboratory and engineering technicians, technician engineers0·7
Administrative and professional staff0·8
Clerical and related4·9
Unemployed for over 52 weeks
MaleFemaleYoung people under 20 years of age (included in previous columns)
North-West region110,15729,70212,169
Merseyside special development area42,09510,4575,295
Kirkby employment office area3,011610342
Ormskirk employment office area30110918

Occupation*

Women employed in engineering† as proportion of all employees Per cent.

Supervisors (manual)0·7
Craft and similar occupations0·7
Other manual3·4
All occupations2·3

* Based on the 1980 Classification of Occupations.

† Mechanical, Instrument and Electrical engineering.

Unemployment Statistics

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he has received the industrial analysis of the unemployed in the construction, bricks, glass, timber and furniture industries due to be completed in May 1982; and if he will publish these.

The industrial analysis of the numbers registered as unemployed will be made in respect of 13 May. The national figures, which will include information for the industries specified, will be published in the June issue of Employment Gazette.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment (1) how many unemployed school leavers there are in (a) the North-West, (b) Merseyside, (c) Kirkby and (d) Ormskirk;(2) how many people are unemployed in

(a) the North-West, (b) Merseyside, (c) Kirkby and (d) Ormskirk.

The following is the provisional information at 15 April:

Total number registered as unemployedof which, school leavers under 18 years of age.
North-West region429,52417,636
Merseyside special development area129,1555,558
Kirkby employment office area7,761293
Ormskirk employment office area1,78353

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many (a) men, (b) women and (c) young people have been unemployed for more than a year in (i) the North-West, (ii) Merseyside, (iii) Kirkby and (iv) Ormskirk.

The following is the information at 14 January, the latest date for which analyses by age and duration of unemployment are available:

Jobcentre Placings

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many people have been placed in work by jobcentres in the last month in (a) Kirkby and (b) Ormskirk.

Kirkby jobcentre placed 112 people and Ormskirk jobcentre placed 66 people in the four-week period ending 2 April, the latest period for which statistics are available.There is likely to have been a substantial number of people who found jobs in the area otherwise than through the jobcentre. Nationally, the Manpower Services Commission has estimated from a 1977 survey that about a quarter of all placings are made through their offices.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what has been the percentage increase in unemployment since May 1979 in (a) the North-West, (b) Merseyside, (c) Kirkby and (d) Ormskirk.

The following table gives the percentage increase in the numbers registered as unemployed between May 1979 and April 1982. The figures on which the increases are based include school leavers and are not seasonally adjusted.

Percentage increase
North-West region124·8
Merseyside special development area65·0
Kirkby employment office area46·6
Ormskirk employment office area150·4

Youth Opportunities Programme

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many young people suffered accidents resulting in amputations or in death while working on the youth opportunities programme since June 1981.

Between 1 July 1981 and 31 December 1981, there were 21 accidents which involved loss or part loss of hand or foot. In the same period there were four deaths. Details for this year are not yet available, but the death of one trainee has occurred.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will provide a breakdown of the type of accidents sustained by young people working on the youth opportunities programme since June 1981.

Information about the major types of accidents is available only for the period 1 July 1981 to 31 December 1981, and is as follows: falls 19 per cent.; entrapment 17 per cent.; impact (excluding falls) 14 per cent.; contact with blade 10 per cent.; abrasions 8 per cent.; falling object 10 per cent. The remaining categories of accidents included injuries from heat, lifting and electricity.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will consider extending the statutory cover of industrial injuries benefit to trainees on the youth opportunities programme.

No. Young people participating in the programme are not eligible to claim industrial injury benefits from the Department of Health and Social Security, but they are covered by analagous benefit payment from the Manpower Services Commission.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what progress has been made with the discussions with the Manpower Services Commission over the health and safety of trainees on the youth opportunities programme; and if he will make a statement.

The Manpower Services Commission have held discussions with representatives of the CBI, TUC and Health and Safety Executive on health and safety provision for trainees on the youth opportunities programme. A report was prepared for the commission's special programmes board which was unanimously accepted at its meeting in March 1982. The report will he published shortly. Action on the report's recommendations is already being taken.

Jobcentres

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will make a statement on the future of jobcentres.

I refer the hon. Member to my reply to my hon. Friend the Member for Chorley (Mr. Dover) on 8 December—[Vol. 14, c. 344–5] and my reply of 4 May to the hon. Member for Glasgow, Maryhill (Mr. Craigen)—[Vol. 23, c. 6.]

Pay Rates (Jobcentres)

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what instructions are issued to jobcentres about checking rates of pay against statutory minimum rates for jobs which they advertise that are in occupations covered by wages councils orders.

Instructions issued to jobcentres and employment offices state that a vacany should not be displayed or serviced if it appears that a wages council order may be violated. If a vacancy from a wages council industry is notified and there is any reason to believe that the pay rate quoted may be below the statutory minimum, the instructions state that the office should seek advice from the wages inspectorate, and that if the employer is in fact quoting a rate below the statutory minimum he is to be informed that the public employment service is unable to service the vacancy.

Unemployed Women

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will estimate the number of women ineligible for benefit and registered as unemployed seeking full-time work.

On 11 March 1982 there were 71,906 females registered as unemployed in the United Kingdom seeking full-time work who were not claiming benefit.

Draft Notification Of Hazardous Installations Regulations

asked the Secretary of State for Employment when he expects consultation with the local authority organisations over his draft Notification of Hazardous Installations Regulations to be completed; and when the regulations will be laid before Parliament.

The final round of consultation with local authority organisations has been completed. The Health and Safety Executive is preparing a final draft of the regulations for consideration by the Commission in June after which they will come to the Secretary of State for approval. The intention is that regulations will be laid before Parliament as soon as possible thereafter.

Deaths from Hypothermia, Glasgow, 1980 and 1981
Hypothermia as the underlying causeHypothermia as a contributory causeTotal
1980*19811980*19811980*1981
All ages of which:91721273044
Males 65+45991314
Females 60+3108121122
* provisional

Housing Insulation (Expenditure)

asked the Secretrary of State for Scotland from the inception of the public sector insulation programme for Glasgow district to the latest date (1) what have been (a) the allocated expenditure, (b) the actual expenditure, (c) the percentage allocation spent, (d) the number of houses insulated and (e) the percentage of the local authority stock they comprise; and what details he has for the projected average annual expenditure on the scheme;

Glasgow District
Financial Years
1978–791979–801980–811981–82
(a) Public Sector££££
Allocation916,0001,105,000[see Note 2 below]
Actual Expenditure645,423344,696696,787*
Percentage of allocation spent70·46 percent.31·19 percent.
Number of homes insulated11,6061,1896,337*
Percentage of local authority housing stock6·6 per cent.0·6 per cent.3·5 per cent.*
(b) Private Sector
Allocation177,500173,500295,420330,000
Actual Expenditure32,92549,77674,576114,987
Percentage of allocation spent18·5 per cent.28·6 per cent.25·2 per cent.34·8 per cent
Number of homes insulated8349941,1711,924
Percentage of private sector housing stock0·7 per cent0·8 per cent1·0 per cent.1·7 per cent
*Not yet available.

Scotland

Police Officers (Disciplinary Proceedings)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many police officers resigned from forces in Scotland during 1980 and 1981 following disciplinary proceedings.

In 1980 two police officers were dismissed and four were required to resign as an alternative to dismissal: in 1981 no officer was dismissed and nine were required to resign. Information is not available centrally about the numbers of officers who may have resigned voluntarily after disciplinary hearings.

Hypothermia

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many people in Glasgow have died of hypothermia in each of the past two years; and how many were males over 65 and females over 60 years of age.

(a) the allocated expenditure, (b) the actual expenditure, (c) the percentage of allocation spent, (d) the number of houses insulated and (e) the percentage of the private stock they comprise; and what details he has for the projected average annual expenditure on the scheme.

Notes:

1. The figures for the public sector relate solely to Glasgow District Council since separate information on other agencies is not available.

2. The allocations for insulation of Glasgow District Council houses in 1980–81 and 1981–82 respectively were incorporated in the block allocation given for the Housing Revenue Account.

3. The only information so far available for 1982–83 is the allocation of £327,000 made for private sector insulation.

4. No information on projected expenditure for future years is available.

Council Housing (Dampness)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will reconsider providing additional funds to Glasgow district council to tackle the problem of dampness in council houses, in view of the estimates by the council that up to 20 per cent. of its housing stock is affected by dampness or condensation, and that at least £140 million would be needed to remedy design and insulation faults, compensate tenants and demolish houses.

Serious problems facing individual authorities are given special weight in determining their overall housing capital allocations. In the case of Glasgow the problem of dampness was specifically taken into account in the calculations for 1982–83.

Police (Pay)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the total cost to public funds of police pay and emoluments in each year since 1975; and what has been the percentage increase in the last three years.

The information available is as follows:

YearGross pay and allowances of whole time police (£m at cash prices)Percentage increase
1975–7648
1976–7760
1977–7866
1978–7977
1979–8010435
1980–8112419
1981–82Not yet available

Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

Miss Christine Vertucci

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs why Her Majesty's Government will not give a reason for the refusal by the Hong Kong Government of a visa extension to Miss Christine Vertucci.

It is the Hong Kong Government's policy not to give reasons on individual immigration matters and it would, therefore, be inappropriate for Her Majesty's Government to do so in Ms. Vertucci's case.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs when the petition from Miss Christine Vertucci to the then Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs was received by the Governor of Hong Kong; when it was forwarded to the Secretary of State; and when the Secretary of State's decision was made known to Miss Vertucci.

Ms. Vertucci's petition was received by the Governor on 1 March and forwarded to the Secretary of State the same day. The Secretary of State's decision was made known to Ms. Vertucci on 3 March.

Hong Kong (Visas And Work Permits)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what is the appeal procedure in Hong Kong against a Government decision not to extend visas or work permits.

Anyone aggrieved by a decision of a public officer taken under the Hong Kong immigration ordinance may object to that decision by notice in writing lodged with the Chief Secretary within 14 days. The objection is then considered by the Governor in Council. Any resident of a dependent territory may also petition Her Majesty The Queen and the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs.

Arms Sales

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what procedures and practices exist for members of NATO and members of the European Community, respectively, to inform each other of supplies of weapons or any category of weapons to third countries.

Within NATO and the European Community there are no formal procedures for individual countries automatically to inform each other of arms sales, although Her Majesty's Government do, of course, consult their allies as circumstances arise. The hon. Member will be aware that the Community has currently imposed a ban on the export of arms to Argentina.

Passports

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign arid Commonwealth Affairs whether he has any plans to impose restrictions on the issue of British passports to young men within a specified age group; and if he will make a statement.

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

Salmon

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if, further to his reply of 4 May, he will list the organisations taking part in the salmon sales group; what are its terms of reference; and when it is likely to report.

I understand that the salmon sales group of the National Water Council is composed of representatives from the fisheries departments of water authorities, together with Mr. G. D. F. Hadoke, the director of the Atlantic Salmon Trust, who, although serving in a personal capacity, provides a link with the trust and with the Salmon and Trout Association. My inspector of salmon and freshwater fisheries and the inspector of salmon and freshwater fisheries of the Department of Agriculture and Fisheries for Scotland serve on the group with observer status.The group has no formal terms of reference but is considering possibilities for the introduction of a workable and financially viable scheme for controlling salmon sales. The scope of the group's inquiries has included the licensing of salmon dealers and tagging controls. A visit to Canada is planned to study the arrangements recently introduced in New Brunswick.The group hopes to report towards the end of the year to a meeting of the fisheries advisory committee of the National Water Council, on which my Department is represented.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, further to his reply of 4 May, what matters were raised with him on the problems of salmon poaching by the Esk Fishery Association and the North East divisional committee of the Yorkshire Fisheries Consultative Association; whether he proposes to take any action as a result of their communications; and if he will make a statement.

The chairman of the Esk Fishery Association has drawn my attention to the extent to which the illegal taking of salmon is occuring in both tidal and non-tidal stretches of the River Esk. He has referred to the number of visitors who snatch and foul hook migatory fish and has suggested a ban on all fishing for migratory fish in tidal waters between Ruswarp Road bridge and the sea. The regulation of migratory fishing in the River Esk and its enforcement is, however, a matter for the Yorkshire water authority.The authority has for some time been considering the possibility of introducing a new byelaw which would prohibit the taking by rod and line of salmon and migratory trout below the Ruswarp Road bridge.After considering objections, the authority has informed me that it is not intending to proceed with such a proposal. Under the Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries Act 1975 I have no authority to direct it to do so. There are already byelaws banning the use of drift nets for the taking of salmon and migratory trout and the foul hooking of salmon and migratory trout in the River Esk and its estuary.The North Eastern divisional committee of the Yorkshire Fisheries Consultative Association referred to the problem of poaching in the River Esk in its comments responding to the Government's consultation paper on the review of inland and coastal fisheries in England and Wales.I shall take full account of the problems affecting migratory fish in rivers such as the River Esk in considering the comments received on our consultation paper.

Environment

Forest Of Wychwood (Public Access)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he has received any proposals from either the Nature Conservancy Council or the Countryside Commission about public access to parts of the Forest of Wychwood in Oxfordshire; and what plans they have to improve public access.

I have received no proposals from either the Nature Conservancy Council or the Countryside Commission about public access to parts of the Forest of Wychwood and I am not aware that they have any plans in that respect. Local authorities have the primary responsibility for considering improvements to public access.

Village Churches

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what was the average, the maximum and the minimum grants made to village churches in England for restoration in 1980 and 1981.

It is not possible to distinguish between village and other churches for the purposes of grant aid. Figures for repair grants offered for all churches in use in 1980 and 1981 are as follows. The figures represent new grants offered in the year in question, and do not necessarily reflect the total grant made to a particular church over a period of years.

19801981
££
Average grant7,6226,318
Maximum grant70,25031,050
Minimum grant400647

Hemerdon (Public Inquiry)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he expects to announce the date of the public inquiry into the Hemerdon mining scheme in south Devon.

Letters were sent out last month stating that the inquiry is to be held on 7 September 1982.

Industrial Research Fellowship Scheme

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will take steps to make the facilities of Government research establishments for which he is responsible available to those on the industrial research fellowship scheme being financed by the Wolfson Foundation.

The director of the Building Research Establishment is already authorised to accept visiting workers. He will be glad to consider appropriate applications under the industrial research fellowship scheme.

Hyde Hall, Denton (Public Inquiry)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will postpone the public inquiry into the refusal of Thameside council to approve Christian Salveson (Properties) Ltd's application to build on land at Hyde Hall, Denton, until he has reached his decision on the structure and local plans of the local authorities concerned.

No. Neither the appellant nor the local planning authority has asked for the inquiry to be postponed. In accordance, therefore, with the Government's commitment to a speedy appeals system, we shall try to bring the appeal to the earliest possible conclusion.

Air Pollution

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) what financial support was given to the air pollution division at the Warren Spring laboratory for each of the last three years at constant prices; and what is the value of the contract for 1982–83;(2) if he will give details of any discussions in which his Department is participating at present taking place in Europe on the question of reducing air pollution.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what research projects into air pollution have been financed by his Department in 1981–82 and at what cost; and what projects are to be financed in 1982–83 and at what cost.

The programme for 1981–82 was divided into four main project areas:

£K
Abatement and dispersion607
Measurement, interpretation and assessment800
Atmospheric chemistry507
Effects on vegetation64
The total cost was approximately £2 million.The work in these areas will continue in 1982–83 at a cost of approximately £1·6 million 1982–83 prices, with changes in the balance of the programme which have yet to be fully decided.

House Of Commons (Annunciators)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is the average length of time it takes for annunciators in the House to be repaired or replaced.

Over 90 per cent. of faulty annunciators are normally repaired or replaced within 24 hours of the fault being reported. In recent weeks, however, the availability of sets has been so limited that replacement has taken up to five days. The normal standard of service should be restored this week when a batch of new annunciators, ordered last year for delivery in January, is expected to be available.

Rating System

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what progress is being made with his consultations on the replacement of the rating system.

The period for consultation on the Green Paper "Alternatives to Domestic Rates", Cmnd 8449, closed on 31 March. We have received well over 1,000 responses, which are now being considered.

Local Authority Expenditure

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he is yet able to provide in the form requested the information on planned expenditure for each local authority in England for 1982–83 which was sought by the right hon. Member for Manchester, Ardwick on 29 March, Official Report, c. 40.

I have today placed in the Library a copy of the information requested.

National Re-Survey

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what progress has been made on his proposal for speeding up the national re-survey and completing the updating of the statutory lists of historic buildings; and when these proposals are likely to be put into effect.

I am pleased to report substantial progress since March 1981 when, as a key initiative in response to the Montagu report on the reuse of historic buildings, I announced my decision that the resurvey of England must be speeded up to complete the revision of the statutory lists of historic buildings well within the present decade.My intention was that the greatly enlarged and accelerated resurvey programme should draw on both the county councils and the private sector to provide the staff for the fieldwork teams. The counties' views on an initial scheme on this basis were invited last autumn. The response was overwhelmingly favourable in principle, with about half the counties both wishing actively to participate and having the resources immediately available to do so. The private sector responded with equal enthusiasm.In the light of this response I have now decided on a detailed scheme which will engage the counties with appropriate staff and skills readily available for resurvey work, and employ private sector firms in the remaining areas. This should provide a fieldwork team of about 80 in total, drawn in approximately equal numbers from the public and the private sectors. My own Department's professional staff is already being increased and strengthened to train and manage this substantial field force.Consultations on the detailed arrangements will begin immediately. My aim is to launch the first phase of the scheme, involving the counties, on 1 June; the second phase, involving the private consultants, will be launched in the autumn.This scheme is designed to ensure that the resurvey is virtually completed within three years—certainly "well within the present decade" and, indeed, some 20 years sooner than would have been achieved under the present time scale.

Council House Rents

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will list in the Official Report the average council house rent at the latest date for which figures are available for London boroughs.

[pursuant to his reply, 28 April 1982, c. 303]: The average unrebated council house rent for 1981–82 is estimated to be as follows for London housing authorities:

Authority

Estimated average unrebated rent (£ per dwelling per week)

Barking and Dagenham10·90
Barnet14·61
Bexley13·82
Brent12·16
Bromley14·31
Camden12·51
City of London13·30
Croydon12·09
Ealing14·56
Enfield13·06
Greater London Council14·50
Greenwich12·58
Hackney10·13
Hammersmith and Fulham13·60
Haringey12·40
Harrow16·68
Havering13·01
Hillingdon15·60
Hounslow11·21
Islington12·42
Kensington and Chelsea19·84
Kingston-upon-Thames15·47
Lambeth11·42
Lewisham12·08
Merton14·79
Newham11·16
Redbridge15·37
Richmond-upon-Thames13·76
Southwark13·70
Sutton14·45
Tower Hamlets10·43
Waltham Forest10·78
Wandsworth16·71
Westminster15·04

These figures are derived from returns made by local authorities to the Chartered Institute for Public Finance and Accountancy; and to the Department of Employment for retail price index purposes and to my Department in claiming housing subsidy.

Council House Sales

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how much has been spent on advertising the right to buy council houses in each of the past two financial years; and what is the advertising budget for the current financial year.

[pursuant to his reply, 4 May 1982, c. 51]: In the financial year 1980–81 £530,000 was spent on advertisements on television and in national newspapers telling public sector tenants of their new rights under part 1 of the Housing Act 1980. This included both the right to buy and the tenant's charter. A further £125,000 was spent later in the same financial year on newspaper advertisements to remind tenants of the need to serve right to buy claims forms by April 3 in order to qualify for an 8 August 1980 valuation.In the financial year 1981–82 expenditure on publicising the right to buy was £239,000.For 1982–83 expenditure currently committed to right to buy publicity amounts to £89,000. No decisions for further expenditure have been taken to date.

Transport

Motorways (Traffic Flows)

asked the Secretary of State for Transport what was the estimated average daily flow of vehicles on the following motorway sections: M5 junction 8—intersection of M5/M6—western arm of Ray Hall interchange, M5 between junctions 24 and 25, M5 between junctions 27 and 28 and M6 between junctions 25 and 25(a) (spur road to A49).

The information is as follows:

LocationYear of CountMotorwayEstimated Average Daily Traffic Flow Vehicles
Junction
8—Intersection of M5/M6—Western arm of Ray Hall interchange1979M517,265
Between Junctions 24–251980M519,295
Between Junctions 27–281979M514,961
Between Junctions 25–25(a) (Spur Road to A49)1979M64,625

European Council Of Transport Ministers

asked the Secretary of State for Transport what issues are currently under consideration by the European Council of Transport Ministers; what decisions have been taken since May 1979; what matters he anticipates will be decided in the next 12 months; and if he will make a statement.

The main inland transport issues under current consideration by the EC Council of Ministers are the development of combined transport; support for transport infrastructure; vehicle weights and dimensions; competition from east European road hauliers; technical requirements for inland waterways vessels; measures affecting the railways; and measures in the field of road passenger transport. I hope that most of these can be agreed in the next 12 months. A number of other measures remain formally before the Council, but prospects for agreement on these look more remote. Major decisions taken by the Transport Council since May 1979 are as follows:

6 December 1979

Decision on the adjustment of capacity for the carriage of goods by road for hire or reward between Member States.
Regulation amending Regulation (EEC) No. 3164/76 on the Community Quota for the carriage of goods by road between Member States.
Directive amending the first Directive on the establishment of common rules for certain types of carriage of goods by road between Member States.
Fourth Supplementary Agreement to the Agreement of 21 March 1955 on the establishment of through international railway tariffs.

24 June 1980

Directive on statistical returns in respect of the carriage of goods by inland waterway, as part of regional statistics.
Directive on statistical returns in respect of the carriage of goods by rail, as part of regional statistics.

4 December 1980

Directive on the introduction of a Community driving licence.
Resolution on the application of Council Regulation (EEC) 543/69 on the harmonisation of certain social legislation relating to road transport.
Directive for co-operation and mutual assistance between Member States in the field of accident investigation.
Council Regulation amending Regulation (EEC) No. 3164/76 on the Community Quota for the carriage of goods by road by Member States.

26 March 1981

Resolution concerning work in the transport sector during the period up to the end of 1983.

15 December 1981

Resolution on Community railway policy.
Regulation amending Regulation (EEC) No. 3164/76 on the Community Quota for the carriage of goods by road between Member States.
Draft Directive amending:
  • (i) the first Council Directive of 23 July 1962 on the establishment of common rules for certain types of carriage of goods by road between Member States.
  • (ii) Directive 65/269/EEC.
  • Resolution on Community support for transport infrastructure.
    Decision on the opening of negotiations between the EC and Austria in the transport sector.

    Channel Link

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he has received the report of the Anglo-French study group on the Channel link; and if he will make a statement.

    I have received the report of the group and hope to make a statement shortly.

    Defence

    Low-Flying Aircraft

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he will prohibit low-flying aircraft training over residential areas before 7 am.

    Military low-flying training is not normally authorised before 7 am unless there are special training requirements.

    Belize

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether the Belize guardship will remain at its Caribbean station.

    The Belize guardship will remain on station in the Caribbean for the foreseeable future. But ships will continue to be rotated as they have been in the past.

    Exocet

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will list those countries equipped with Exocet missiles.

    This is a French produced missile and it is not for the British Government to give such information.

    Meteorological Office

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether the Meteorological Office charges for pigeon racing forecasts include charges for overheads and for the use of computer facilities; and what proportion of the total charge these items form.

    Yes; 64 per cent. of the total charge, of which 2½ per cent. is for computer facilities regarded as a part of overheads.

    Widows (Pensions)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if widows of Service men killed during the Falklands conflict will be entitled to the same pension as those whose husbands have died on active service.

    Yes. The pension paid to the widow of a Service man whose death is attributable to service with the Armed Forces is not affected by the circumstances in which death occurred.

    South Georgia

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether the Argentine radio network on South Georgia was jammed by British forces during the attack on the island.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence at what time signal communication between Argentine forces on South Georgia and the Argentine was finally cut.

    We do not know whether communications between the Argentine forces on South Georgia and the Argentine ceased before the Argentine forces surrendered or continued up to the moment of surrender. They certainly ceased at the time of the surrender.

    Porton Down Chemical Defence Establishment

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) whether it is the practice of Her Majesty's Government to publish the numbers of animals used for experiments at Porton Down chemical defence establishment;(2) whether he will make it his policy to publish statistics on the number of animals used in laboratories in the United Kingdom which are his responsibility.

    Statistical returns on experiments on live animals conducted in MOD establishments are already made to the Home Office annually and are included in their subsequent animal statistical publication.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what means of disposal are used for those animals at Porton Down chemical defence establishment which do not die as a result of experimentation.

    Depending on the type and circumstances of experiment, the animals are either kept at the chemical defence establishment or painlessly killed, in accordance with Home Office licence conditions.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what experiments previously conducted on animals at the chemical defence establishment at Porton Down are now conducted by alternative means.

    Alternative means to experiment on live animals are now being used whenever possible. The main areas are in the development of therapeutic substances, and in occupational health studies. The alternative methods involved include the use of tissue cultures and computer-based mathematical models where appropriate.

    Animals (Laboratory Experiments)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will list those laboratories within the United Kingdom which are his responsibility and which experiment on live animals.

    They are as follows: Admiralty marine technology establishment (physiological laboratory) at Alverstoke; chemical defence establishment at Porton Down; David Bruce laboratories at East Everleigh; institute of aviation medicine at Farnborough; Royal Army medical college, Millbank. The institute of naval medicine at Alverstoke and the atomic weapons research establishment at Aldermaston are also licensed for animal experiments; but none are currently being undertaken there, and none are planned.

    Requisitioned Vessels

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to his answer to the hon. Member for Keighley of 26 April, if he is now able to give the estimated cost of (a) compensation payable as a result of requisitioning and (b) charter fees payable in respect of merchant vessels for the Falkland Islands naval task force.

    I have nothing to add to the Answer given to the hon. Member for Keighley (Mr. Cryer) on 26 April.—[Vol. 22, c. 220.]

    Chatham Dockworkers (Radiation Exposure)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence for how long the two Chatham dockworkers working on HMS "Churchill" were exposed to radiation; and how the dose they received compares with that of a typical X-ray examination.

    [pursuant to his reply, 7 May 1982, c. 151]: The technical investigation into the employment of two dockyard workers in a radioactive contaminated area of the nuclear complex at Her Majesty's dockyard Chatham has been carried out. The information requested by the hon. Member on 7 May—[Vol. 23, c. 151]—and also on 22 April—[Vol. 22, c. 136–7]—is as follows:(1) The nature of the incident did not require that a Board of Enquiry be convened. It was considered that MOD internal procedures were sufficient for the purpose. A Technical Investigation was held to establish the circumstances which gave rise to the incident and necessary action is being taken to minimise the risk of a similar occurrence in the future. I am forwarding copies of the replies to the questions you have raised to the UCATT Shop Stewards' Convenor.(2) The departure of the previous first level supervisor who would have been directly involved was part of the planned rundown of the Chatham Non-Industrial workforce. The new supervisor was qualified for the post and there have been no other changes to line management in this area.

    (3) The chippings were contained within the enclosed area surrounding the Active Waste Tank and were subsequently removed in the normal way using Health Physics Control Procedures.

    (4) Work on the Active Waste Tank in this instance was undertaken without protective clothing because the two men involved were not positively advised of the radioactive hazards involved (see note 8 below). They were, however, wearing lint dust masks which provide some protection against inhalation of active material.

    (5) Both men are fit and well and are at work. Lung surveys carried out on the men showed some traces of activity but the levels were less than 1 per cent of the International Commission on Radiological Protection recommended maximum annual limit of intake and less than 5 per cent. of the recommended investigation level (see 12 below).

    (6) It is forbidden to wear any overalls in dining areas and this rule was in force at the time of the incident. The two men would have worn contaminated overalls in the locker areas as at the time they were not under Health Physics Control. A radiological survey was carried out immediately the incident came to light. This indicated that no radioactive contamination had been transferred to the lockers or locker rooms.

    (7) The overalls used by both employees were examined immediately following the discovery of the incident and found to be contaminated. The level of contamination was just equal to the statutory level at which action is required to remove the contamination. The overalls were accordingly removed for treatment.

    (8) Written work instructions which would have indicated that a radiological hazard was involved were raised but due to human error they were not passed to the supervisor before he ordered the commencement of work. Procedures are being introduced to minimise the risk of any similar occurrence in the future.

    (9) There is no statutory requirement for controlled area working notices to state actual levels of radioactivity. Warning notices indicating that the area was an active area had been posted and a radiological boundary properly and clearly established before the incident. By the time of the incident the effectiveness of the boundary had been degraded. Although the two men involved in the incident and their supervisor were not deterred by the degraded barrier, two other men and their supervisor from a different trade saw it and reacted appropriately. The necessary action is being taken to minimise the risk of a similar occurrence in the future.

    (10) The nightshift technical supervisor, is a classified radiation worker having spent some nine years working inside the nuclear complex, including the reactor compartment. The remainder of the supervisory staff had considerable experience of this type of work.

    (11) All classified or approved scheme workers employed in the Nuclear Complex at Chatham Dockyard, as in all nuclear licensed establishments, receive some exposure to radiation from time to time. Procedures exist to ensure that such exposure is kept to the absolute minimum. All such workers are volunteers and there is careful monitoring to ensure that the levels of exposure accumulated do not exceed the statutory doseage levels.

    (12) The two men worked on the Active Waste Tank for three nights. The potential hazard was inhalation of dust from paint chippings. This hazard was reduced because the men wore lint dust masks. Measurements taken within two days of the incident indicate that the maximum dose each man received was equivalent to half the dose received from a normal chest X-ray and only 15 per cent. of that received from a mass-miniature (ie mobile) X-ray unit. Use of Whole Body Monitoring Facilities at DRPS Alverstoke were offered verbally to the men and they initially declined. The offer was then repeated in writing and they now intend to make use of the facilities today.