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Volume 29: debated on Wednesday 20 October 1982

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Written Answers To Questions

Wednesday 20 October 1982

National Finance

Government Publications

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what has been the level of sales of Government publications in 1981–82 as compared with 1978–79; and what has been the average percentage increase in prices of such publications over the corresponding period.

Sales of Her Majesty's Stationery Office publications have gone up by 90 per cent. and prices by 111 per cent. over this period.

Scotland

Fire Deaths

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many people in Scotland have died in fires in each of the last five years.

The number of deaths were as follows:

1977123
1978171
1979167
1980136
1981145

Psychotropic Drug Prescriptions

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the annual number of psychotropic drug prescriptions in Scotland from 1965 to the most recent available date.

My reply to the hon. Member on 17 May—[Vol 24, c. 418]—gave the available information up to 1980. Corresponding details for 1981 are as follows:

Number of prescriptions (millions)
1981
Sedatives and tranquillisers2·10
Anti-depressants0·63
Anti-depressant and sedative/tranquilliser combinations0·08
Hypnotics1·76

Fire Control

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he has studied the work on fire control at the fire research station in Hertfordshire; and if he will make a statement.

I am kept informed of developments at the fire research station, including work on fire control, by the joint committee on fire research of the Central Fire Brigades Advisory Councils for England and Wales and for Scotland; they report to me through the Scottish Advisory Council.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what guidelines he issues to fire brigades in Scotland with respect to (a) smoke and sprinkler control, (b) carbon monoxide, hydrogen chloride, and hydrogen cyanide control, (c) smoke ventilation to allow fresh air to enter a room at floor level and (d) sprinkler usage, and if he intends to review these in the light of the work carried out at the fire research station in Hertfordshire.

Guidelines to fire brigades on these matters are contained in the published manuals of firemanship. New developments, including projects undertaken at the fire research station, are considered by the Scottish Cent-al Fire Brigades Advisory Council and guidance to brigades is reviewed and revised as appropriate, in the light of the council's advice.

Neonatal Intensive Care Facilities

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he has plans to make funding available to health boards in Scotland, in addition to their annual budgets, to develop neonatal intensive care facilities.

No. It is for health boards to determine the appropriate level and pattern of service provision in the light of their existing financial resources and the national policy guidelines set out in the report on "Scottish Health Authorities' Priorities for the Eighties." A report on standards of perinatal care in Scotland prepared by the National Medical Consultative Committee and issued to boards in June 1980 contained specific advice on the provision of neonatal intensive care units which boards might take into consideration in the planning and development of such facilities.

Job Creation

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many new jobs have been created by firms locating in Scotland's enterprise zone; and if he is satisfied that the usual prudential inquiries are being made into applications for assistance given in these areas and that none of those applications approved has been from persons previously involved in insolvent businesses.

Companies which have approached the Scottish Development Agency's task force at Clydebank about their plans to set up within the zone have proposals which involve the creation of 1,400 jobs.Enterprise zone benefits are automatically available to firms in the zones; no application is required. Criteria for other forms of assistance are the same in enterprise zones as elsewhere. So far as assistance from my Department or the Scottish Development Agency is concerned, the fact that an individual concerned may have been previously associated with a failed business would cause an application to be scrutinised with particular care, but it would not automatically preclude an offer of assistance.

Dundee (Population Statistics)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will provide a breakdown by sex of the number in Dundee in the following age groups: (a) under 18 years, (b) 18 to 24 years, (c) 25 to 34 years, (d) 35 to 44 years, (e) 45 to 59 years, and (f) 60 years and over; and what percentage of the total each age group comprises.

The Registrar General for Scotland's estimates of the population of the city of Dundee district at 30 June 1981 are as follows:

MalesFemales
AgeNumberPercentageNumberPercentage
Under 1824,13127·423,19223·7
18–2411,57113·211,42811·7
25–3411,91813·612,16512·5
35–449,95011·310,32310·6
45–5915,92418·117,34417·8
60+14,43216·423,23823·8
Total87,926100·097,690100·0

Dundee (Company Closures And Redundancies)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will publish information on the number of companies in Dundee which (a) have closed down and (b) announced redundancies since the beginning of the year; and in each case how many jobs have been lost.

Comprehensive statistics of redundancies and closures are not available. However, between 1 January and 31 July 1982, seven instances of redundancy involving 10 or more people and known to have resulted in closure were notified to the Manpower Services Commission as due to occur in Dundee with the loss of 255 jobs. In the same period a further 25 instances of redundancy have been notified involving 712 jobs.

Medical Laboratory Scientific Officers

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will now make provision for the Council for Professions Supplementary to Medicine to recognise medical laboratory scientific officers as eligible for registration.

Medical laboratory scientific officers are eligible for registration with the Council for Professions Supplementary to Medicine, and such registration is a condition of their employment in the NHS.

Police (Complaints Procedure)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what action he proposes to take in response to the report of the Select Committee on Home Affairs on police complaints procedure.

The Committee directed its investigation mainly to procedures in England and Wales and its main recommendations are not directly applicable to the system in Scotland. I have, however, considered the implications for Scottish procedures of those recommendations which are relevant to Scotland, and I am today publishing a consultation note inviting the views of interested bodies on the Government's preliminary conclusions on these matters. Copies of the note have been placed in the Library and are being sent to the police authorities in Scotland, the police associations and the Scottish Council for Civil Liberties. I should welcome views from other interested parties, to whom my Department will make copies of the note available on request.

Energy

Domestic Supplies (Standing Charges)

asked the Secretary of State for Energy (1) if he will discuss with the chairman of the Electricity Council problems created for pensioners and other low-income groups by the use of standing charges for electricity; and if he will make a statement;(2) if he will discuss with the chairman of British Gas problems created for pensioners and other low-income groups by the use of standing charges for gas; and if he will make a statement.

My right hon. Friend and I have completed the first stage of the Government's examination of standing charges, in the course of which I have had discussions with the chairmen of the Electricity Council, the British Gas Corporation and the consumer councils.Following this examination, my right hon. Friend announced recently that the gas and electricity industries, after discussion with us, have commissioned independent reviews of standing charges. These studies are being undertaken by independent consultants. They are covering:

—the extent to which the costs reflected in the standing charges are independent of consumption;
—whether any particular elements of these costs might be recovered in an alternative manner which would be fair to other consumers;
—the scope for cost saving in the operations that make up the standing charge.

We expect to receive the consultants' report from the industries by the end of the year. There will be no further increase in standing charges until the studies are complete and their conclusions fully evaluated.

We are also concerned about the position of those consumers for whom the standing charge in their bill exceeds the charge for gas or electricity used. My right hon. Friend has therefore asked the industries to consider limiting the standing charge to a maximum of 50 per cent. of any bill. Unlike measures involving the elimination of standing charges, this would not have any significant effect on the bills of larger consumers. We have had to have well in mind throughout our examination that many poor consumers are large consumers facing relatively large bills. The removal of the standing charge for all or for specific groups of consumers would result in an increase in the unit rate which would have very materially adverse consequences on the bills of many poor consumers.

Coal-Generated Electricity (Costs)

asked the Secretary of State for Energy if he will tabulate the current percentage cost of coal-generated electricity to domestic consumers under the following headings: (a) regional electricity board services, (b) Central Electricity Generating Board costs other than generation of electricity, (c) generating cost, including capital repayments, (d) fuel transport, (e) cost of coal at pit head, (f) cost of weekly paid employees of the National Coal Board and (g) National Coal Board other costs.

It is impossible to provide separate figures for the costs of domestic and non-domestic electricity generation in an integrated system servicing all types of consumer. Electricity generation is fuelled in several ways. For these reasons, the percentage breakdown of the costs for coal and other generated electricity can only be estimated on an allocated basis as follows:

Percentage breakdown of costs incurred by domestic consumer
Total costs Per cent.Coal costs Per cent.
(i) Costs which might be attributed to coal generation
(a) Area board services2127
(b) CEGB costs other than generation56
(c) CEGB generation costs other than fuel (including depreciation)1924
Non-fuel costs sub total4557
CEGB coal costs
(d) Transport23
(e) Pithead price*31*40
Fuel costs sub-total3343
(ii) Costs which might be attributed to other fuel generation
Non-fuel costs13
Fuel costs other than coal9
100100
* Of the 31 per cent. for total costs—40 per cent. for coal costs—it is estimated, on the basis of a breakdown of the average pithead cost of production for all National Coal Board coal, that about 13 per cent.—17 per cent.—can be attributed to the cost of wages and related charges for NCB industrial employees, the balance of 18 per cent.—23 per cent.—being attributed to other operating costs.

Prime Minister

National Building Agency

asked the Prime Minister what were the total costs involved in disbanding the National Building Agency; and what the running costs of the agency were during its last year of operation.

It is not possible to indicate the total net costs of closure of the National Building Agency since its winding up is not yet complete. So far the Secretary of State for the Environment has paid £1,267,540 in grant to help meet the agency's net liabilities. A liquidator was appointed on 19 February 1982. At that date the NBA's current expenditure in 1981–82 was £2,970,000.

Quangos

asked the Prime Minister how many nongovernmental public bodies have been disbanded since the report on non-departmental bodies (Cmnd. 7797) was published; and what have been the savings produced and the costs involved in redundancies and terminated leases by their wind-up.

I refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave on 19 February 1982—Vol 18, c. 219–232—to my hon. Friend the Member for Carlton (Mr. Holland). In that answer I listed 550 non-departmental public bodies which had been wound up, or which we intend to wind up, or whose budget will be reduced, since this Government took office. Of these, some 428 have been abolished, at a saving of about £15 million, since Cmnd. 7797 was published. Unfortunately, information on the costs of winding up these bodies is not held centrally. However, since almost 90 per cent. were advisory committees with no staff, no redundancy or accommodation costs were involved.

Ministerial Responsibilities

asked the Prime Minister if she will make a statement as to the rules of conduct with regard to Ministers involving themselves in matters of controversy concerning their departmental responsibilities where such matters relate to the local authority of the constituency which they represent.

There are no specific rules governing this situation, but as a general rule Ministers should order theft affairs so that no conflict arises between their public duties as Ministers and their other interests and responsibilities.

Falklands Campaign (Vessels)

asked the Prime Minister whether it is proposed that the full cost of the ships lost in the Falklands action be added i.o the annual defence budget; and over what time scale such an addition is proposed to be made.

The additions to the defence budget for the replacement of equipment lost in the Falklands conflict will be based on the full cost of replacement and will be spread over the period of procurement.

China

asked the Prime Minister whether, following her recent visit to China, she intends to send a trade mission to China to investigate the building of closer trade links with the Chinese People's Republic.

A. high level mission from the Sino-British Trade Council, which advises the British Overseas Trade Board on the market in China, will be visiting the People's Republic from 1–14 November.

Wales

Local Authorities (Indebtedness)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will publish a table showing the indebtedness of each of the local authorities in Wales for each of the past five years in current money terms and adjusted to constant money terms, respectively.

Information on the indebtedness of local authorities is published annually by he Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy in "Return of Outstanding Dept", copies of which are placed in the House of Commons Library. The figures for 31 March 1981 are given in column 19. Estimates at constant prices are not available.

Neonatal Intensive Care

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he intends to make funding available, in addition to the health authority annual budgets, to develop neonatal intensive care facilities in Wales.

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he is satisfied with the present level of neonatal intensive care facilities in Wales; and if he will make a statement.

The Welsh Office issued a consultative paper early in 1980 on perinatal mortality in Wales. Professional advisory committees and others have looked at this and related documents and submitted their comments which cover, inter alia, neonatal intensive care facilities. We shall be considering possible improvements in facilities in the light of these comments.

Water Authorities (Dispute)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what progress has been made in relation to the application by the Welsh water authority on 15 October 1981 for him to seek to resolve the dispute between the Welsh water authority and the Severn-Trent water authority concerning the level of payment which should have been made by the latter authority in the financial year 1982–83 for water which it obtains from Wales.

My right hon. Friend and my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Environment are considering this application, the WWA's submissions of March and July 1982 and the comments made on them by the Severn-Trent water authority. They will issue their determination as soon as possible.

Welsh Development Agency

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will make a statement concerning the new chairman of the Welsh Development Agency.

The executive recruitment consultants who are advising me in this matter have suggested a number of names which I am at present considering.

Welsh Language

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what new ideas have been forthcoming concerning support for the Welsh language following the recent invitation contained in a speech of the Under-Secretary, the hon. Member for Conway (Mr. Roberts), at Llangrannog; whether he regards the proposed Welsh language Sunday newspaper Sulyn as falling into this category; and what practical assistance his Department has been able to give to this venture.

A number of interesting suggestions have been made which I am currently considering. I am arranging to meet the directors of Sulyn to discuss this venture.

Home Department

Miss Patricia Ford

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department why the British police failed to respond to an appeal by the police in Amsterdam to interview Patricia Ford until after a week had elapsed; why it took them three days to check and advise the Dutch police concerning her fingerprints and why up until 16 August the police had not prepared a formal application to the Director of Public Prosecutions to prepare extradition papers for Miss Ford.

We understand from the chief constable of Thames Valley police that at no time did he receive a request from the Dutch police authorities to interview Miss Ford; nor is there any record of any request for Miss Ford's fingerprints. The Chief Constable was informed that Miss Ford had given herself up to the police in Amsterdam on 13 August; on 14 August, after discussions with an official from the Director of Public Prosecutions, the police requested that she be detained to enable the Director to commence extradition proceedings. In the event, the Dutch were unable to consider extradition because the offences of which Miss Ford is accused are not extradition crimes in United Kingdom law and there was, therefore, no basis for extradition under the terms of the Anglo-Dutch extradition treaty.

Robbery (Statistics)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will publish in the Official Report a table giving details of the number of cases reported of robbery of the person, with and without causing grevious bodily harm, and the offence commonly known as "mugging"; and in how many of these prosecutions were initiated, and with what success, since October 1979 until the latest most convenient stated date, giving similar details for a similar stated period as far before October 1979 as may prove possible.

Information is not collected centrally on the circumstances of offences of robbery. Information relating to all offences of robbery is published annually in "Criminal Statistics, England and Wales" (Tables 2.7, 2.14 and 5.1 of the volume for 1980 (Cmnd. 8376) and Table S2.1 (a) of supplementary tables 1980 Vol. 2) and quarterly data of the number of offences of robbery recorded by the police in England and Wales are published in Home Office Statistical Bulletins (Issue 17/82 relates to the first half of 1982). However, the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis includes some information on the circumstances of offences of robbery recorded in the Metropolitan police district in his annual report (Appendix 20 of the report for 1981 (Cmnd. 8569)).

Police (Travel Costs)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will call for a report on the circumstances in which, on Friday 6 August 1982 the police were observed to pay £254 costs in fares by travelling by air instead of rail or road when fetching a woman social security offender from Scotland to face trial at Warley, West Midlands; and whether this sum of £254 will actually be paid by the police in accordance with the court's decision and not from taxpayers or public funds.

The chief constable of the West Midlands police has provided my right hon. Friend with a report which demonstrates that this method of transport was in fact most economical. The sum in question will be paid from the police fund.

Home Video Films

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) whether he will introduce legislation to provide for the certification of home video films.(2) whether he will make it a criminal offence for home video films of adult category certification to be shown to children under that certified age.

Legislation on the lines proposed would give rise to serious difficulties of enforcement. We are, however, keeping under review the operation of the law in relation to video cassettes in the light, amongst other matters, of the discussions which are taking place between the British Board of Film Censors and the British Videogram Association about the introduction of a certification scheme governing the sale or rental of video cassettes. Should such a scheme be introduced, we would wish to assess its effect before deciding whether any statutory controls were required.

Toxteth Disturbances

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will publish in the Official Report the names of organisations which have made representations concerning the free Phil Robins campaign and the use of CS gas in Liverpool during the Toxteth disturbances in July 1981.

No organisation has made representations to me concerning Mr. Robins' convictions. The Merseyside Community Relations Council and the Liverpool Graphical Society have suggested a public inquiry into the use of CS in Toxteth on 6 July 1981.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what further representations he has received concerning the use of CS gas in Liverpool during the Toxteth disturbances in July 1981.

Since the replies that I gave on 27 July to two questions from the hon. Member I have received 13 letters about or in support of a request for a public inquiry, including letters from eight other hon. Members; and the hon. Member for Birkenhead (Mr. Field) has asked a question about such an inquiry, to which I replied on 19 October.

Coroners' Juries (Selection)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will make arrangements to ensure that coroners' juries are selected on the same random principles as those for criminal cases.

Such arrangements cannot be made administratively. Amending legislation is necessary to apply to coroners' jurors the qualifications and disqualifications which at present apply to Crown court and county court jurors. My right hon. Friend accepted, in a parliamentary reply to the late Sir Graham Page on 11 November 1980—[Vol. 993, c. 151]—the necessity for such legislation in due course.

Industry

British Telecommunications

36.

asked the Secretary of State for Industry whether, in view of the size of the profits made by British Telecommunications and its anticipated fun her increase in profits in the year 1982–83 and the need for support of the Government's policy of containing and reducing inflation, he will formulate British Telecommunications' financial objectives so as to prevent the proposed further increase in telephone charges in April 1983.

No. I am, however, considering a change to the financial objective for British Telecommunications for the year 1983–84 in order to reflect equally the need to contain prices, to provide for the industry's investment programme and to encourage efficiency.

asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he is satisfied with the progress to date of the British Telecom liberalisation programme; and if he will make a statement.

Although the British Telecommunications Act came into force only one year ago, there has been substantial progress towards the liberalisation of telecommunications.Mercury has been licensed to run a rival network in competition with British Telecom; this is a unique development and service will start early next year.My right hon. Friend expects to sign the general licence for value added network services as soon as his expert advisory panel on telecommunications liberalisation are satisfied with its terms. The licence will introduce the most liberal arrangements in the world permitting private enterprise to use the British Telecom and Mercury networks to provide a full range of value added network services.The supply of apparatus for connection to British Telecom's networks is being liberalised over a three-year period. The first five standards were approved on 14 October. The basic arrangements for independent testing and approval are now in place; BABT is now accepting apparatus for testing. The Marking and Advertising Orders which provide for consumer protection will come fully into force on 1 November. Work on writing further standards is progressing well but the programme has never been scheduled to be completed until well into next year.The steps already taken by the Government enable British firms to enter new markets directly and are giving telecommunications users the advantages of a wider range of choices and the benefits of competitive pricing. BT is no longer the only route to the market. Moreover the new standards procedure means that for the first time both users and manufacturers are able to participate fully in the setting of objective, minimum standards.Industry is beginning to respond to the challenge of liberalisation and there has been a gratifying response from small firms. We are determined to ensure that the consumer has a wide range of equipment from which to choose. And there is mounting evidence that British Telecom is improving its performance in response to competition.Although substantial progress has been made, I am exploring actively the scope for speeding up the programme and a growing quantity of apparatus is being given accelerated approval under special interim arrangements.

Telephone Rental (Fixed Charges)

asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he will discuss with the chairman of British Telecom problems created for pensioners and other low income groups by the use of fixed charges for telephone rental; and if he will make a statement.

The chairman of British Telecom and I are both well aware of the difficulties standing charges can

Crude Steel Production : Monthly Averages
Million metric tons
19741975197619771978197919801981*1982
United Kingdom1·91·71·91·71·71·8†0·91·31·2
West Germany4·43·43·53·33·43·83·73·53·2
Italy2·01·82·01·92·02·02·22·12·1
France2·31·81·91·81·91·91·91·81·6
* January to September.
† Production reduced by the effect of the steel strike.

Source: International Iron and Steel Institute.

Steel Industries (Manpower)

asked the Secretary of State for Industry what was the approximate level of manpower in the steel

Employment in the Steel Industry*
Thousands
19741975197619771978197919801981†1982
United Kingdom197·7190·7183·3182·0170·0162·0134·096·084·1
West Germany230·6226·7220·3214·4205·0204·0201·0192·0182·3
Italy93·896·096·997·396·398·0101·098·395·7
France155·7157·0155·1149·3135·8125·0114·0100·297·4
* Figures are monthly averages for ECSC activities.
† January to September, provisional.

Source: Eurostat Quarterly Iron and Steel Bulletin.

European Community (Steel Demand)

asked the Secretary of State for Industry when European Community Ministers last discussed demand for steel in EEC countries, respectively and in total, and the problems of overcapacity and of exports to the United States of America; and when Ministers will next be meeting to discuss these matters.

Specific steel issues are frequently discussed at meetings of EC Ministers: for example, the problem of exports to the USA was last discussed at the informal meeting of Foreign Ministers on 17 October; and both that issue and steel imports were discussed at the last session of the Foreign Affairs Council, on 20–21 September. The last wide ranging discussion on steel demand and over-capacity took place on 8 June at a Council of Industry Ministers. Specific matters will be discussed in the future as occasion demands. Further discussions on steel problems are likely at the Foreign Affairs Council on 25–26 October and at an informal meeting of Industry Ministers planned for 18 November.

create for pensioners and other low income groups. BT proposed an imaginative rebate scheme for low users earlier this year and I hope it will consider this again carefully when it next comes to make tariff proposals.

Steel Production Statistics

asked the Secretary of State for Industry what was the average monthly crude steel production in the United Kingdom, West Germany, Italy and France in each of the years from 1974 to 1981 and the figures for 1982 so far.

The available information is as follows:industries of the United Kingdom, Federal Republic of Germany, Italy and France in each of the years from 1974 to 1981 and the most recent figures for 1982.

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

Fishing Industry

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he is now in a position to make known aid proposals for the fishing industry and particularly the freezer fleet sailing from Hull.

I refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave on 18 October to the hon. Member for Truro (Mr. Penhaligon).—[Vol. 29, c. 35.]

Council Of Agriculture Ministers

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what was the outcome of the Council of Agriculture Ministers' meeting in Luxembourg on 18–19 October; and if he will make a statement.

On 18–19 October, there was a meeting of the Agriculture Council at which the United Kingdom was represented by my right hon. Friend the Minister of State, my hon. Friend the Parliamentary Secretary and myself.The Council discussed the Commission's proposals for the import quota for New Zealand butter in 1983. A number of member States argued that the Commission's proposal for 89,000 tonnes should be substantially reduced. The Presidency suggested a quota of 87,000 tonnes coupled with an adjustment of the import levy so as to retain New Zealand's market return. We consulted the New Zealand Government who asked us to endeavour to obtain agreement upon this basis. This was subsequently agreed in principle and formal adoption of the revised quota and levy should take place next week following the submission of a fresh text by the Commission. The New Zealand Government has expressed publicly its gratitude to the British Government for its support in these negotiations. The Council also agreed devaluations of 2·8 per cent. for the French Green Franc and 4·4 per cent. for the Belgian and Luxembourg Green Francs. These will take effect on different dates for the various commodities, commencing at the start of their marketing years as they arise.

Northern Ireland

Neonatal Intensive Care Facilities

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he intends to make additional funding available to health authorities to develop neonatal intensive care facilities in Northern Ireland; and if he will make a statement.

There are no plans at present to make additional funds available to the health and social services boards for this purpose. However the Government are committed to increasing the number of intensive baby-care cots in the Province to the level recommended in the report of the advisory committee on infant mortality and handicap in Northern Ireland as resources and priorities permit.

Unemployment

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what plans he has to reduce unemployment in the Province.

The reduction of unemployment in Northern Ireland depends to a great extent on the recovery from recession of the United Kingdom and world economies. It also depends upon the success of our efforts to develop a broader industrial and commercial base; central to that task is our drive to promote the growth of a strong and viable private sector. The continued existence of the most generous industrial incentives in the United Kingdom and the creation of the new Industrial Development Board are evidence of the Government's efforts to this end. Furthermore, the implementation of the new youth training programme will provide a better trained and more adaptable work force.The Government also recognises the need to alleviate unemployment in the short-term and the Department of Economic Development operates a number of schemes with the direct aim of reducing the level of unemployment. At 27 August 1982, the latest date for which figures are available, 21,100 adults and young persons were engaged in employment and training activities for which the Department of Economic Development is responsible or which it co-ordinates.These activities include Government training centres and the attachment training scheme, whilst the Government are substantially expanding the action for community employment scheme and has recently announced a continuing role for Enterprise Ulster.In addition a new job splitting scheme will be introduced on 3 January 1983. This scheme, which will be run on identical lines to its Great Britain equivalent, will assist employers to split existing full-time jobs and so open up more part-time job opportunities for unemployed persons claiming benefit.

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will make a statement on the latest level of unemployment in the Province.

The most recent figures available are for 9 September 1982 when there was a total of 127,954 (22·3 per cent.) registered as unemployed in Northern Ireland.This represents, another increase in the level of Northern Ireland's unemployment, but while I would not wish to deny the gravity of these figures, some slight encouragement can be taken from the slowing down in the rate of increase and a continuation of small, but nonetheless significant, increases in notified vacancies

Government Property (Insurance)

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what is the annual total cost of insuring Government property in Northern Ireland; and what is the justification for doing so :in this part of the United Kingdom only.

Attorney-General

Police Forces (Reports)

37.

asked the Attorney-General whether he has called, or will call, for the reports of the inquiry into the alleged corruption in the Metropolitan Police force, referred to as the Countryman inquiry, the reports on the alleged irregularities into the West Yorkshire and Kent police forces submitted to the Director of Public Prosecutions some months ago, to ascertain whether he feels proper action has been taken in connection with these reports ; and whether he will make a statement.

The Director of Public Prosecutions has kept me informed of developments at frequent intervals throughout the course of the Operation Countryman inquiry. Where necessary—for example, when he has sought my consent to the institution of proceedings for alleged offences of corruption—he has placed the reports before me. As far as the investigation of allegations against officers of the West Yorkshire Metropolitan police and Kent constabulary are concerned, I would refer the hon. Member to the Answer that 1 gave him on 19 October 1982

I am completely satisfied that the Director has taken the proper action in respect of all reports that have been submitted to him, and I do not propose to make a statement.

Court Cases (Costs)

asked the Attorney-General whether, having regard to costs in cases such as the recent High Court case affecting a charge of contempt of court against Sean Geraghty, which are estimated at £20,000 although only a few hours' legal work was involved, he will cause an investigation to be made to ascertain how and in what way such costs can be reduced in support of the Government's policy of reducing public costs and inflation.

These costs were incurred by private and unassisted litigants and no confirmation can be given of the estimate in the question. Both as between party and party and between solicitor and client they may be examined at the request of the parties, or either of them, and reduced by an officer of the court known as a taxing master, to ensure that the amounts charged are reasonable. No other investigation is required, but no request for taxation has been received to date and the amount of costs of this kind may well be the subject of agreement between the parties who may wish to avoid the cost of taxation.

Mr K G Anderson (Trial)

asked the Attorney-General what representations he has received concerning the holding of the trial of Kenneth George Anderson at the Mold Crown court.

asked the Attorney-General if he will make a statement on the decision to hold the trial of Kenneth George Anderson at the Mold Crown court.

The decision was made, after hearing argument, by the hon. Mr. Justice Cantley sitting at Leeds on 7 July 1982. No Minister was responsible for this judicial decision and the trial, which was duly held at Mold Crown court, resulted in an acquittal of the defendant on 14 October 1982.

Employment

Asbestos

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will list the various recommended levels of exposure to asbestos over the past 20 years; what these were expressed at as fibres per cubic metre of air; and if he will indicate the dates when the exposure levels were changed.

Prior to the introduction of the Asbestos Regulations 1969, Her Majesty's Factory Inspectorate published as general guidance the threshold limit values adopted by the American conference of governmental occupational hygienists. The TLV for all forms of asbestos at that time was 177 particles per cubic centimetre of air; since this was based on a particle, not a fibre, count it cannot be expressed in fibres per cubic metre.

In 1969, new hygiene standards for airborne asbestos dust at the workplace were adopted in published guidance on the interpretation of the Asbestos Regulations 1969.

These were:

for chrysotile, amosite and fibrous anthophyllite:
2 fibres per ml of air (2,000,000 fibres/cubic metre;
for crocidolite: 0·2 fibres/ml (200,000 fibres/cubic metre)

This guidance was revised in 1976 as a result of an interim statement by the advisory committee on asbestos. The hygiene standards were unchanged, but it was stated in addition that exposure to all forms of asbestos dust should be reduced to the minimum that is reasonably practicable. These remain the current criteria for compliance with the Asbestos Regulations and the Health and Safety at Work Act.

The Health and Safety Commission has decided that new control limits should be introduced from 1 January. These are based on recommendations contained in the advisory committee's final report of 1979, and will be:

for crocidolite: 0·2 fibres/ml (200,000 fibres/cubic metre)
for amosite: 0·5 fibres/ml (500,000 fibres/cubic metre)
for other types of asbestos: 1 fibre/ml(1,000,000 fibres/cubic metre)

The overriding requirement to reduce exposure to the minimum reasonably practicable will remain.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he now intends to improve industrial safety standards regarding asbestos exposure limits.

Yes. The Government's policy on asbestos is based on the recommendations of the advisory committee on asbestos, many of which would have the effect of improving standards regarding asbestos exposure at the workplace. Work is in progress on the implementation of all these recommendations in conjunction with the two draft European Community directives currently under negotiation in Europe. The Government have also welcomed the Health and Safety Commission's proposals to take urgent action in a number of important areas. These include the introduction of new control limits for exposure to asbestos at the workplace and measures which will improve standards generally in the area of work with asbestos insulation and coating.

Unemployment Statistics

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if, pursuant to his answer of 29 July, Official Report, c. 663, he will estimate the totals of those excluded from the unemployment count following the recent changes in the method of compiling the figures of unemployment statistics.

The changed basis of compiling the unemployment statistics will be used for the November figures and onwards. A special press notice will be published on 18 November, comparing the main figures for October on the new and old bases, and indicating the effects of the changes in coverage and methods.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will make a statement on the latest unemployment figures for England and Wales.

Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

North Atlantic Treaty Organisation

8.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what recent discussions have taken place between Ministers and officials of his Department and representatives of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation countries about the relative levels of contribution to the alliance and the tailoring of types of contribution to the abilities of each member country.

Such discussions are held as part of NATO's annual planning review cycle, which enables national force contributions to be shaped through a central co-ordinating process. These plans are endorsed each year by NATO's Defence Ministers, who will meet again for this purpose in December.

Ethiopia

9.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on Her Majesty's Government's relations with Ethiopia.

Gibraltar

10.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what recent discussions he has had with representatives of the Spanish Government on the future of Gibraltar.

As my right hon. Friend reported to the House on 22 June, he met the Spanish Foreign Minister on 21 June. My right hon. Friend later had a meeting with the Spanish Foreign Minister in New york on 30 September during which he had a brief exchange of views on the subject of Gibraltar.

27.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on the assistance being given to Gibraltar.

A grant of £4 million was agreed in December 1981 for urgent development projects in Gibraltar. It has now all been either committed or earmarked for specific projects. A technical co-operation programme of £1 million over three years was also agreed in 1981.

Falkland Islands

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on recent developments regarding the Falkland Islands.

Good progress has been made on reconstruction and rehabilitation work in the aftermath of the Argentine occupation. The Government have welcomed Lord Shackleton's updated economic survey; both we and the islanders are now studying his recommendations. My hon. Friend the Minister of State visited the Falklands from 2–10 October and was able to discuss all these matters with the Falkland islanders and the civil and military commissioners.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what procedures exist to monitor the purchase of maps or charts of United Kingdom dependencies by representatives of foreign powers; and whether any intimation was received by Her Majesty's Government of the purchase by Argentine officials of maps of the Falkland Islands in 1981 and 1982.

Maps and charts of United Kingdom dependencies are on public sale and there are no specific procedures for monitoring their purchase. However, a run on any particular issue would come to the notice of Government Departments. No indications were received of a large scale Argentine purchase of maps of the Falkland Islands in 1981 or early 1982. Subsequent checks have confirmed that there was no such purchase.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs on what date in February or March his Department received a letter from Dr. Carlos Ortiz de Rozas, ex-Ambassador of Argentina to the Court of St. James, relating to the Falkland Islands; and what were its contents.

The only letters received from Dr. Ortiz de Rozas during this period concerned routine matters of protocol.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what representations he has had from Mr. Peck and others of the Falkland Islands Council to move the capital from Port Stanley to Port Louis or some other site.

I refer the hon. Member to the reply given to him by my hon. Friend the Member for Woking (Mr. Onslow) on 18 October.—[Vol. 29, c. 43.]

Greek Cypriots (Representations)

15.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what representations his Department has made since 20 July to the Government of Turkey concerning those Greek Cypriots who disappeared during the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974.

We do not believe that representations to the Government of Turkey would be effective. The right place to solve this distressing humanitarian problem is the intercommunal committee on missing persons, set up under United Nations auspices. We hope that a solution will be found to the procedural difficulties which have so far prevented the committee from investigating individual cases of missing persons. We have made this view known to both communities in Cyprus and to the Government of Turkey.

Malaysia

16.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on Her Majesty's Government's relations with the Government of Malaysia.

We are in regular and close contact with the Malaysian Government at both ministerial and official level. I have had two meetings this summer with the Malaysian Foreign Minister. Our present efforts are devoted to the removal of any misunderstandings that may yet remain and to finding the basis for a mutually satisfactory and lasting relationship. As far as our trade with Malaysia is concerned, we want no more than the opportunity to compete on equal terms with others.

18.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he has any plans to visit Malaysia.

No. As you will know, my right hon. and noble Friend Lord Carrington visited Malaysia in February this year.

Cyprus

17.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on British relations with Cyprus.

British relations with the Republic of Cyprus are excellent. My right hon. Friend met the Cyprus Foreign Minister, Mr. Rolandis, in New York on 30 September and had friendly and wide-ranging talks with him.

South West Africa People's Organisation

19.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether Her Majesty's Government support the United Nations General Assembly's recognition of the South West Africa People's Organisation as the sole representative of the Namibian people.

We, like other governments of the Western Five, have never endorsed the United Nations General Assembly's description of SWAPO as

"the sole and authentic representative of the Namibian people".

Such recognition in advance of free and fair elections puts at risk confidence in the impartiality of the implementation process.

Diego Garcia

20.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he has received any representations regarding the restoration of residence rights to the people of Diego Garcia.

Disarmament

21.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on progress on disarmament since the United Nations second special session in June-July 1982.

The negotiations between the United States and the Soviet Union in Geneva for reductions in intermediate range nuclear forces and strategic systems were recently resumed. In July a major new proposal was made by the West in the mutual and balanced force reduction negotiations in Vienna. Work has continued in the committee on disarmament for a convention banning the production of chemical weapons. The West is looking to the Russians for a constructive response to the range of proposals that has been put forward.

Mauritius

22.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on British relations with Mauritius.

Lebanon

23.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether he will make a statement on recent events in the Lebanon and on the action taken by Her Majesty's Government to help stabilise the situation in that area.

We have been appalled by the suffering inflicted on the civilian population of Lebanon. In their statement of 20 September, Foreign Ministers of the Ten reaffirmed their support for the early withdrawal of all foreign forces except, of course, any international forces authorised by the Lebanese Government. We have provided substantial humanitarian aid to Lebanon and are considering with out partners what more we can do to help in the task of reconstruction.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many Lebanese refugees have been made homeless by the Israeli invasion.

There are no accurate figures for Lebanese made homeless as a result of the Israeli invasion.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many Palestinian refugees in or near the Lebanon have been made homeless by the Israeli invasion.

There are no accurate figures for the number of Palestinian refugees made homeless as a result of the Israeli invasion. UNWRA estimates that housing for up to 60,000 Palestinian refugees was destroyed during the invasion. Figures for other areas are not available.

Namibia

24.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will consider establishing local representation of the United Kingdom in Namibia.

We have no plans at present for establishing diplomatic representation in Namibia. We expect to set up a mission in Windhoek once Namibia's independence is achieved and internationally recognised.

Port Stanley (School Hostel)

25.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if the new school hostel at Port Stanley, Falkland Islands, is yet in use; and how many pupils will be provided with boarding places.

The new school hostel had not been made ready for use by the time of the Argentine invasion. It is designed to accommodate 80 pupils. The building is now being used by the military authorities in the Falkland Islands. Her Majesty's Government and the Government of the Falkland Islands are therefore currently considering alternative means of meeting the boarding requirements.

River Jordan (West Bank)

26.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on the situation on the west bank of the river Jordan.

Tension remains high on the West Bank, as in all the territories occupied by Israel since 1967, as a result of the failure to make progress towards a peaceful settlement of the problems of the area.We remain concerned at the dismissal from their posts of the legally elected Mayor of Gaza and of the Mayors of eight other towns on the West Bank. We regard the programme of Israeli settlements in the West Bank as illegal and a major obstacle to peace.

Latin America

28.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement about relations with Latin America.

Since this Government came into office they have sought to intensify contacts with Latin America. In the period following the Falklands crisis these contacts have been further developed. In the last three months there have been four ministerial visits and two visits by special Government representatives covering nine Latin American countries. These visits and other contacts have confirmed that, in spite of the rupture with Argentina, our relations with most Latin American countries remain good.

Discrimination Against Women (United Nations Convention)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what progress Her Majesty's Government are making on ratification of the United Nations convention on the elimination of discrimination against women.

We are nearing completion of the inter-departmental consideration of the numerous legal and other points posed by this convention and aim to take a decision on ratification as soon as possible thereafter.

Indian Ocean (Peace Zone)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if the United Kingdom will support proposals made in the United Nations for convening an early conference on the designation of the Indian Ocean as a zone of peace.

The Government play an active part in the United Nations ad hoc committee which was set up to discuss the proposal to designate the Indian Ocean as a zone of peace. But we believe that a conference to implement the proposal would be premature until the views of States concerned can be brought closer together. The continuing Soviet occupation of Afghanistan is an obstacle to progress.

Hong Kong

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what recent discussions there have been on the future of Hong Kong.

During her recent visit to China my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister held talks on the future of Hong Kong with both Premier Zhao Ziyang and Chairman Deng Xiaoping. The talks were held in a friendly atmosphere and both sides made clear their respective positions on this subject. It was agreed that talks should be entered into through diplomatic channels following the visit, with the common aim of maintaining the stability and prosperity of Hong Kong. Meetings in Peking to follow up the Prime Minister's visit have already begun.

Mr Keith Carmichael

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether any attempt has been made to secure a date for trial from the Saudi authorities for Mr. Carmichael, at present in gaol in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

No. Court: proceedings can commence after the creditor; and Mr. Carmichael, who also has claims, have submitted a full statement of their claims to the civil rights centre. This has not yet been done.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs on what dates Mr. Carmichael, at present in gaol in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, has been visited by a consular official since he was imprisoned.

The British embassy first gained access to Mr. Carmichael on 31 January 1982. Since then he has been visited by consular officers on 28 February, 20 March, 21 April, .15 May, 5 June, 16 June, 1 August, 24 August, 6 September and 13 October.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether any attempt has been made by Her Majesty's Government to secure an independent medical examination of Mr. Carmichael., at present in gaol in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

Mr. Carmichael has asked for a medical examination by a British doctor known to him. Our embassy has approached the doctor in question to ask him to see Mr. Carmichael. In the meantime our embassy has done all it can to ensure that Mr. Carmichael receives whatever medical treatment he needs.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether Her Majesty 's Government have made any representations to the Saudi Arabian authorities in respect of the treatment received by Mr. Carmichael, at present in gaol in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, during the course of his period in gaol and in the prison hospital.

Our embassy in Jedda made representations to the Saudi authorities on 8 August and 11 October about Mr. Carmichael's case. My right hon. Friend the Member for Mid-Oxon (Mr. Hurd) also raised the case with the Saudi ambassador en 14 October.

European Community

United Kingdom Membership

31.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will publish a document for wide public circulation summarising the effects of United Kingdom membership of the European Economic Community.

No. The Government's views about the advantages of our membership of the European Community have been set out often inside and outside the House. White Papers on developments in the European Community are published at six-monthly intervals. The most recent was Cmnd. 8669, published in September.

Falkland Islands

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on the meeting of EEC Foreign Ministers in Denmark; whether any discussions took place on the establishment of a common European Community voting policy on the draft United Nations resolution urging the resumption of negotiations on the Falkland Islands sponsored by Latin American countries; and what is the policy of Italy and the Republic of Ireland in this matter.

This was an informal meeting and I do not propose to make a statement. I can confirm that the matter referred to by the hon. Member was discussed. There will be further discussions on the same subject. It is not for me to describe the policies of other Governments.

Foreign Policy

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on progress towards a common European Economic Community foreign policy.

The Ten are steadily strengthening their co-operation on foreign policy matters. Their ability to respond collectively to international events has been demonstrated in the past few months in the case of the Falklands, Poland and the Lebanon. Based on the London report of October 1981, the Government are committed to work for still closer and more effective co-operation among the Ten. In particular, we have recently put forward ideas to improve co-operation between the embassies of the Ten in third countries.

Overseas Development

Namibia

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (1) what discussions have taken place within the contact group about the need for training of Namibian students in the light of the impending independence of Namibia;(2) what further action is envisaged for the training of Namibian students in the United Kingdom in the light of progress on the independence negotiations between the contact group and South Africa.

The hon. Member will be aware from replies to questions on 30 June 1982—[Vol. 26, c. 324]—that Britain is already involved in the training of Namibians in the United Kingdom. Members of the contact group continue to be in touch with one another and with other Governments about various aspects of Namibia's future developmental needs. Such further assistance as might be considered by the British Government after independence would take account of the developmental needs of the country.

Communications

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what contributions have been made so far by the United Kingdom towards UNESCO's international programme for the development of communications launched in 1981; and what help is envisaged in the future.

Her Majesty's Government have welcomed the establishment of the international programme for the development of communication, as a useful co-ordinating mechanism with a positive role to play in assessing communication development needs and resources, but sees no necessity for either a separate fund or any separate contribution to the IPDC.We believe that adequate multilateral, bilateral, public and private channels of finance for communication development exist already. The allocation of available resources depends very much on the priority attached by the developing countries themselves to their communications sectors. Within the limits of available resources, we shall continue to be ready to consider requests from individual countries for assistance for sound projects including those that may be identified by the intergovernmental council of the IPDC.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will list in the Official Report those projects financed wholly or in part by British bilateral aid during 1981–82 and 1982–83 which are intended to improve communications in the recipient countries either through the provision of equipment or training and including press, broadcasting, television, and international news gathering or reporting.

The following communications projects supported from capital aid funds were in progress in January 1982:

  • Bangladesh
    • Police Telecommunications
  • Colombia
    • Postal Sorting Offices
  • India
    • Indian Ocean Submarine Cable System
  • Lesotho
    • Radio Transmitters
    • Maseru Trunk System
  • Malawi
    • Rural Telecommunications
  • Malaysia
    • Madras-Penang Cable Link
  • Mauritius
    • Rodrigues Radio Rebroadcasting Station
  • Nepal
    • Telecommunications

Lebanon

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (1) what contribution the United Nations Disaster Relief Co-ordinator is making towards relief in the Lebanon; and what is the scale of the United Kingdom contribution to his work;(2) whether any contribution will be made by the United Kingdom to the UNICEF relief and rehabilitation programme for the Lebanon;(3) whether any contribution has been made by the United Kingdom to the restoration of water supplies and basic hygiene services in Beirut.

UNDRO has made an invaluable contribution towards relief in Lebanon by gathering, evaluating and disseminating information and by mobilising relief contributions. In addition to the United Kingdom's annual contribution of about 4 per cent. of the United Nations budget, which benefits UNDRO, the Overseas Development Administration has worked closely with UNDRO and on two occasions was able to respond to an UNDRO request for a charter aircraft to lift urgently needed supplies.United Kingdom multilateral and bilateral relief aid for Lebanon now totals over £2 million, but we have not earmarked any of this specifically for repairs to water supplies or basic hygiene services.So far as UNICEF's appeal is concerned, although the United Kingdom is willing to join international discussions about relief and rehabilitation, no decision has been made about a United Kingdom contribution nor about how such a contribution might be channelled. The United Kingdom is currently a major donor to UNICEF's general resources and contributes about £6 million a year.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether any contribution will be made by the United Kingdom to the UN Relief and Works Agency emergency relief plan for displaced Palestinian refugees in the Lebanon.

We are contributing £4 million to UNRWA generally this year, some of which will be used in the Lebanon, plus £1 million of food aid and special disaster aid of £386,534 both specifically earmarked for the Lebanon. The question whether any further provision might be made in the current financial year is being kept under close review.

Environment

Water Charges

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will discuss with the chairmen of the water boards problems created for pensioners and other low-income groups by the use of fixed charges for water supply; and if he will make a statement.

A two-part tariff in which those costs which do not vary with use are recovered to a large extent by a fixed charge reflects the principle of economic pricing and has the support of the National Water Council.Last year, the Council asked its working party on charging policies to re-examine the water industry's long-term cost structure and to advise on the appropriate structure of charges for household water supply and sewerage and the relationship between standing charges for measured and unmeasured users. As this work is still in progress we have no present plans to discuss the level of fixed charges for water supply with water authority chairmen.Meanwhile, assistance with bills for low-income groups continues to be available through the social security system.

Enterprise Zones

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many new jobs have been created by firms locating in enterprise zones in England; and if he is satisfied that the usual prudential inquiries are being made into applications for assistance given in these areas and that none of those applications approved has been from persons previously involved in insolvent businesses.

Our estimate is that by 31 May this year 1,600 jobs had been provided by new and incoming firms in enterprise zones in England. Enterprise zone benefits are automatically available to firms moving into the zones: no application is required. Criteria for other forms of assistance are the same in enterprise zones as elsewhere.

Greater London (Office Space)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will tabulate the projected areas of office accommodation in the City and West End and the rest of Greater London, respectively, envisaged in the Greater London development plans for the years 1980 to 1985, together with the areas now used or available or for which planning permission has been given.

No projected areas of office accommodation were tabulated in the Greater London development plan. The area of commercial office floor space (in thousands of square metres) on 1 April 1981 was as follows:

Area'000s square metres
City3,402 ·9
West End (including parts of Camden, Kensington and Chelsea)5,907 ·6
Rest of Greater London7,402 ·2
Total16,712 ·7
These figures include empty office accommodation. The areas for 1 April 1982 are not yet available. No information is readily available for the amount of office floor space for which planning permission has been given.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will estimate the area of office space in the City and West End and the rest of Greater London, respectively, which is (a) empty but ready for occupation, (b) under construction, and (c) for which planning permission has been granted.

This information is not readily available, and could only be assembled at disproportionate cost.

Ordnance Survey

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he will make a further statement concerning the responses he has received to his consultative paper on the future of the Ordnance Survey; and if he will place copies of the responses he has received in the Libraries of both Houses of Parliament.

I hope to make a statement on this matter shortly, and at that time a full report of the consultations will be laid before Parliament.

Gleneagles Agreement

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what action he proposes to take with regard to the latest amendment to the Gleneagles agreement.

The Gleneagles agreement has not been amended. Only the Heads of Government can undertake amendments to this agreement and no alterations were made when they last met in Melbourne in 1981.

Departmental Correspondence

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment, pursuant to his reply to the right hon. Member for Brent, East on 28 July, what is the practice of his Department with regard to the handling and circulation of all categories of confidential correspondence between senior civil servants in his Department and local authority officers.

Correspondence received by the Department, whether from local authorities or others is not normally made generally available except with the consent of the sender. The Department does not regard letters it sends as confidential unless an indication to this effect is given.

Assured Tenancy Scheme

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he intends to extend the provisions of the assured tenancy scheme to newly renovated and converted properties; and if he will add appropriate developers, organisations and private landlords to his approved list for this purpose.

I shall bear the right hon. Member's suggestion in mind. His proposed change would, however, require primary legislation, as under section 56 of the Housing Act 1980 assured tenancies are confined to buildings erected after the passing of that Act.

Local Authority Rents

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will now make a statement on the rent increases he will be expecting local authorities to apply in the next financial year.

My right hon. Friend will make his determination of reckonable income for 1983–84 under Section 100 of the Housing Act 1980 after he has carried out the necessary statutory consultation. This consultation has not yet commenced.

Trade

"Stabiliser"

asked the Minister for Trade if he will have comprehensive discussions with all interested parties directly involved in the travel trade regarding the introduction of an alternative to the "Stabiliser"; and if he will make a statement.

It would be premature for me to comment on "Stabiliser" or any alternative to it until the judgment has been given in the action at present before the restrictive practices court.

Shipping Rates (Disparities)

asked the Minister for Trade if he will make a statement, further to his reply to the hon. Member for Fife, East on 30 March, Official Report, c. 54–55, concerning shipping rate disparities between the United Kingdom and the Continent; and whether the Government propose to take any action.

The Department of Trade has been investigating freight rate disparities between the United Kingdom and the Continent in great detail. Its investigations confirm that disparities are widespread and, in general, are of considerable concern to exporters, some finding them significant enough to make the difference between winning and losing an order. The Department's investigations have also confirmed that while there are a variety of causes for the disparities, the two most significant are higher United Kingdom port costs and the greater competition conferences face from non-conference lines on the Continent.My right hon. and noble Friend, the Secretary of State therefore considers that the Department's investigations demonstrate the importance of ensuring competition in liner shipping from United Kingdom ports. My right hon. and noble Friend has decided that this can be best achieved through the proposed European Community regulation applying the competition rules in the Treaty of Rome to shipping, subject to certain changes in the Commission's proposals. The draft regulation is currently under discussion between member States in Brussels.The Government consider that the regulation should:

  • (a) impose certain restrictions on the exclusive patronage contracts with which a conference can currently bind its shippers, thus making it easier for a non-conference line to enter and compete in a trade.
  • (b) ensure against the risk of conferences driving non-conference competitors from the trade by predatory practices, and the danger, if non-conference lines are excluded from a trade by another Government, of a conference using its monopoly position to the detriment of shippers.
  • The details of the Government's objectives in relation to the draft regulation are explained in detail in its recent evidence to the House of Lords Select Committee on the European Communities, copies of which have been placed in the House of Commons Library.

    Transport

    A1 (Yorkshire)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether any change is proposed in the speed limit for heavy goods vehicles on the dual carriageway sections of the A1 trunk road in West Yorkshire and North Yorkshire.

    As stated in the White Paper, "Lorries, People and the Environment" (Cmnd. 8439, paragraph 29), the Government accept the case for increasing the speed limit for heavy goods vehicles from 40 mph to 50 mph on unrestricted dual carriageways, and will bring forward amending regulations in due course.

    Social Services

    Member's Correspondence

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services why it took until 2 September to send his letter PO(MIN)2323/16 to the hon. Member for Newham, North-West pursuant to his parliamentary reply on 29 July, Official Report, c. 670, and the hon. Member's letter of 31 July, regarding over-charging by opticians; what was contained in this reply that could not have been sent earlier; and whether he will expedite his replies to correspondents in general and to hon. Members in particular.

    While we make every effort to reply to correspondence as quickly as possible, its volume is such that delays cannot always be avoided. I am sorry that I was not able to reply to the hon. Member's letter quite as quickly as I would have wished.

    Census Returns (Confidentiality)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services, pursuant to the answer to the hon. Member for Norfolk, North on 19 July, Official Report,c. 51, if he will introduce measures to prevent the breach of confidentiality of names and addresses given in census returns.

    Statutory measures to prevent breach of confidentiality of names and addresses given in census returns already exist. These comprise section 8 of the 1920 Census Act, the Census Regulations made pursuant to the Census Act and Section 2 of the 1911 Official Secrets Act. Furthermore, under section 5 of the 1958 Public Records Act census returns are closed for a period of 100 years as prescribed by Instrument No. 12 of the Lord Cancellor.

    Supplementary Benefit (Birmingham)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many visits to recipients or claimants of supplementary benefit were undertaken by the staff of each of the 11 local offices of his Department in Birmingham during the most recent four-week period for which the information is available; and how many such visits were outstanding at each office at the end of this period.

    The information requested is as follows:

    Visits undertaken and outstanding
    OfficeVisits made during four week period ending 28 September 1982 except where indicatedVisits outstanding at the end of the period
    Bradford495344
    Edgbaston900420
    Erdington*519298
    Handsworth614316
    Ladywood547372
    Northfield*616321
    Perry Barr236305
    Ravenhurst411230
    South Yardley736833
    Sparkhill*412315
    Washwood Heath493408
    5,9794,162
    * Figures for these offices are for period ending 31 August 1982.

    Invalidity Pensions (Earnings Limit)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he intends to propose any changes in the earnings limit for the wives of retirement and invalidity pensioners.

    Some earnings limits are being increased in November but we have no plans at present to increase those to which the hon. Member refers.

    Neonatal Intensive Care

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services why information on the number of neonatal intensive care cots in each regional health authority is not collected centrally; and if he will take steps to begin to collect this information.

    Information on the number of cots in all special care baby units has been collected since 1953, but there are serious difficulties of definition and interpretation in establishing precisely how many of these cots are available for intensive care. The Korner committee has been reviewing Health Service information requirements and has, as part of its review, considered the need for statistics on special and intensive care cot provision and the form in which these might be collected.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he is satisfied that the staffing levels in neonatal intensive care units, as recommended in the Sheldon report, are reasonable in the light of present day working practices:. and if he plans to revise them.

    It is now more than 10 years since the report of the expert group on special care for babies was published, and we are considering how this aspect of the report might be reviewed.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what finance is made available to neonatal intensive care units if they accept referrals from outside their regional health authority boundaries; and whether he intends to revise the present arrangements within the near future.

    The provision of neonatal intensive care facilities is a responsibility of regional health authorities. In the resource allocation working party formula for assessing target allocations adjustments are made for the care of patients classed as resident outside of the region in which treatment is provided. We have no plans to revise the se arrangements.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he is satisfied with the present level of neonatal intensive care facilities in England; and if he will make a statement.

    The need to give priority to improving maternity and neonatal services was reaffirmed by the Government in "Care in Action", a handbook of policies and priorities for the health and personal social services. Progress is being made, but this has to take account of the present constraints on resources.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he intends to make funding available, in addition to the regional health authority annual budgets, to develop neonatal intensive care facilities in England.

    No. In the Government's reply to the Social Services Committee's report on perinatal and neonatal mortality (Cmnd. 8084) we have stated our reasons against making a special allocation of funds for maternity services. The main objection to doing so is that decisions on spending priorities would be taken away from the authorities on the spot who can best assess local needs and priorities.

    Geriatric Beds

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many geriatric beds were available in 1979; how many are currently available; how many he estimates will be available in (a) 1984 and (b) 1986; and what steps he is taking to increase the number.

    The average daily number of available beds in departments of geriatric medicine in England and Wales in 1979 was 59,229. In 1980, the latest year for which figures are available, the number was 59,055. It is not possible to estimate reliably the number of such beds that will be available in 1984 and 1986.In recent years the Government have attached high priority to the development of health services for elderly people and there has been a distinct improvement in the amount and range of provision. This has included moving some elderly people from hospitals back either into the community with support, or to nursing homes. It is for regional and district health authorities to decide the pace of further development, in the light of local needs and resources, and other competing priorities.

    National Health Service

    > asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what was the aggregate cost of estate management expenditure within the National Health Service in each of the past 10 years; and what percentage of total National Health Service expenditure for all purposes this represents

    The accounts submitted by health authorities in England give the following:

    Financial YearExpenditure on Estate Management £ millionPercentage of Total Expenditure
    1974–75238·57·1
    1975–76310·47·2
    1976–77349·67·2
    1977–78427·17·9
    1978–79471·27·6
    1979–80558·17·6
    1980–81695·37·4
    803·1
    1981–82(Provisional)7·6
    Comparable figures for the period prior to 1974–75 are not available.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the approximate percentage of buildings currently in use in the National Health Service which were constructed prior to 1914; and what is the percentage, including the above, prior to 1939.

    Precise information in the form requested is not held centrally. The last detailed survey of the NHS estate in England was carried out in 1972, when it was estimated that 49 per cent. of buildings were constructed before 1919 and 71 per cent. before 1949.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what surveys, or sample surveys, of the condition of buildings currently in use in the National Health Service have been made during the past 15 years; and what in broad terms were the findings.

    Records of the state of health buildings are a matter for the individual health authorities who have responsibility for their maintenance. "Estmancode", the Departmental guidance on estate management, recommends that health authorities survey their buildings on a regular basis to determine maintenance programmes. A national survey of the condition of health buildings was carried out in 1972. In this broad brush survey the views of health authorities were obtained on the cost of the maintenance works required to bring their estates to a locally acceptable condition. The survey showed that at March 1982 prices £295 million was required.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the capital value of new buildings and major works currently under construction in the National Health Service.

    It is estimated that the capital cost of major schemes—each with a total cost of £5 million or more—currently under construction in the National Health Service is £500 million at 1981–82 prices. Health authorities have numerous smaller schemes under way for which full information is not held centrally.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will publish the figures for total current expenditure on the National Health Service for each of the last five years, in both constant and actual prices; and what are the inflation assumptions upon which each of those cash limits were based.

    The figures are as follows: million

    –million
    Constant (November 1980) pricesCash
    1977–789,5955,689
    1978–799,8116,455
    1979–809,8007,712
    1980–819,9209,917
    1981–8210,26811,193
    Technical adjustments have been made to the figures for total current expenditure at November 1980 prices which account for the small difference between these figures and the figures for these years in my answer to the hon. Member on 8 July.—[Vol. 27, c.

    190–1.]

    The figures include family practitioner service expenditure which is not cash limited. The average pay and price increases each year over the previous year were as follows:

    Per cent.

    1978–7911·0
    1979–8019·6
    1980–8127·0
    1981–829·1

    Note: All figures are outturn figures with the exception of those for 1981–82 which are estimated outturn.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will publish figures for each of the last five years to show the proportion of National Health Service total current expenditure met from Exchequer funds, and the proportion met from charges of all kinds, including prescription charges and payment to the National Health Service made by pay-bed patients.

    Table A shows the proportion of the gross cost of NHS current expenditure met from charges over the last five years. Table B shows the proportions of NHS expenditure met from exchequer funds, charges, and the NHS element in the national insurance contribution. Expenditure from exchequer

    Table B
    Sources of gross NHS expenditure (capital and current) in percentage terms
    Exchequer FundsChargesNHS contributionsMiscellaneous
    1977–7887·52·39·90·3
    1978–7987·52·210·00·3
    1979–8087·52·39·90·3
    1980–8188·72·58·50·3
    1981–8287·42·79·60·3

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will publish the figures for total National Health Service expenditure, both capital and current, for each of the last 10 years expressed as a percentage of (a) gross national product, (b) gross domestic product.

    The table shows total NHS expenditure as a percentage of GNP and GDP at factor cost over the last 10 years.

    Total net NHS expenditure (United Kingdom) as a percentage of GNP at factor costTotal net NHS expenditure (United Kingdom) as a percentage of GDP at factor cost
    19724·734·78
    19734·584·67
    19745·185·27
    19755·535·57
    19765·525·58
    19775·435·46
    19785·365·41
    19795·385·45
    19806·076·10
    19816·466·49

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will publish figures, for each regional health authority and for the United Kingdom as a whole, to show the amount of annual growth required in National Health Service current expenditure to meet only the changing demographic structure of the population, with particular reference to the increasing numbers of the elderly.

    The 1982 public expenditure White Paper (Cmnd. 8494) included an estimate of about 0·6 per cent a year over the next three years for increased demand for hospital and community health services in England as a result of demographic change. It is not possible to make worthwhile estimates of this kind for individual regional health authorities.In the family practitioner services future growth is determined by demand, and demographic factors are not separately identified. sources and the health element in the NI contribution is not separately identifiable between current and capital, so Table B gives total NHS expenditure.

    Table A
    Percentage of gross NHS current expenditure met by charges
    1977–782·5
    1978–792·4
    1979–802·5
    1980–812·7
    1981–823·0
    The positions in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are matters for my right hon. Friends the respective Secretaries of State.

    Asbestosis

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he is satisfied with the operation of the pneumoconiosis panels; and if he will review their criteria of medical assessment in respect of suspected victims of asbestosis.

    The specialist doctors of the panels represent a source of considerable medical expertise in pneumoconiosis, including asbestosis. They keep in close touch with current medical teaching and meet regularly to assess developments in that field. I am satisfied, that their criteria for the medical assessment of those who may be suffering from the disease meet the standards of good clinical practice. If the hon. Member is aware of a case which is causing him concern perhaps he would write to me.

    Social Security Ministers' Meeting (Madrid)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what subjects were discussed at the meeting of social security Ministers in Madrid; what was the outcome of the discussions; and if he will make a statement.

    The subject of the conference was "The General Application of Social Security", that is the extension of social security to cover the whole population. In presenting a report on "The Establishment of Universal Schemes" I stressed that if the economic growth to support higher or more general benefits does not exist, there can be no extension of a scheme or increase in the value of benefits in real terms. There was general recognition by Ministers at the conference of the need for restraint in social security spending in the current economic circumstances affecting them all. Some countries quoted examples of reductions in benefits which they were implementing or considering.

    The outcome of the discussions is embodied in the final text adopted at the conclusion of the Conference. As soon as the authentic version of this is available I will place it in the Library of the House and send a copy to the right hon. Gentleman.

    British Deaf Association

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what consideration he has given to the British Deaf Association manifesto, which has been sent to him; if there is any action he is taking; and if he will make a statement.

    The manifesto has been carefully considered by all the Departments concerned. Following is a summary of the Government's response.

  • 1. We recognise the importance of British Sign Language to deaf people and appreciate its significance as an aid to communication for many of them. Nevertheless there are several other means of communication which are important to people with a hearing impairment and others with speech disorders. The Government will continue to encourage, and support where possible, schemes to improve communication for all hearing impaired people so as to promote their integration into the community.
  • 2. Sign language is not banned in schools but nor is it used in all schools for the hearing impaired. Over 90 per cent. of deaf children come from hearing homes and all live in a hearing world. We agree that they are best helped by a flexible approach based on their individual needs.
  • 3. In making appointments to teaching posts education authorities and others need to satisfy themselves as to the medical fitness of candidates amongst other factors. This will normally have been determined when the candidate is accepted for teacher training. After qualifying, and provided that there has been no deterioration, any teacher, including the hearing impaired, may apply for any advertised post.
  • 4. It is not expected that the 1981 Education Act will result in the closure of many special schools. There will always be a need for some special schools for the hearing impaired although fewer will be necessary as the numbers of those children decline and schools become non-viable. The potential role of special schools as resource centres is recognised.
  • 5. The British Deaf Association's recent application for finance to implement a national programme to train British sign language interpreters is at present under consideration.
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    (a) There has in fact been increasing provision for hard of hearing people over the past few years and this policy will continue. Also the broadcasting authorities are committed to continuing the extension of the teletext facility which is of great benefit to deaf people.

    (b) The expansion of cable systems is currently under consideration by the Government in the light of the Hunt report. Cable has certainly the potential for providing the sort of specialist services which can benefit deaf people.

    7. The fit for work campaign which was launched in 1979 by the Manpower Services Commission and has the full support of the Government, the Confederation of British Industry and the Trades Union Congress, continues to seek to promote the employment interests of all disabled people including those with a hearing impairment. Use by disabled people of the services available at jobcentres including the specialist services is also encouraged.

    8. Charges made to telephone subscribers are a responsibility of British Telecom but the special problems of some deaf people are recognised and I intend to approach British Telecom about the charges made to those who use special equipment.

    Departmental Staff

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he is taking steps to increase staff levels at his Department's offices in the Midlands; and if he will make a statement on the current dispute over this matter.

    The Department's Midlands region (social security) is staffed to the level determined by the Departmental complementing system as necessary to handle the region's workload. The flexibility incorporated in the complementing system enables regional controllers to allocate extra staff to certain offices which are subject to special pressures and many Birmingham offices have been allocated such staff. The dispute to which the hon. Member refers started in the Erdington office when in a particularly busy office staff sickness placed additional pressures on staff and where an offer of the temporary allocation of reserve trained staff to relieve work pressures was rejected by the trades unions involved. The dispute has now spread to five other offices in Birmingham. Whilst all six offices are closed to the public, significant numbers of staff are still working in each office and regular payments are being maintained. New claims and cases of hardship are being dealt with at three emergency centres in the city, which will be kept open for as long as is necessary. In the meantime, intensive talks are taking place in an attempt to resolve the dispute. Two deputations of right hon. and hon. Members from Birmingham have been received by Ministers.

    Health Authorities (Capital Schemes)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) if he will ensure that agreed schemes due to start in the next financial year will not be allowed to slip back as a result of his recent letter to health authorities; and if he will make a statement;2. whether health regions which have agreed provisional arrangements for capital schemes with revenue consequences already in the programme will be allowed to go ahead in spite of his recent letter; and if he will make a statement.

    :The letter to regional health authorities points out that plans for development of services must be realistic. In particular, it makes it clear that major hospital projects will be approved only if clear provision has been made for the necessary resources to open the hospital when it is completed. This means that when health authorities wish to enter into contracts for schemes which cost more to run than facilities they replace, they must demonstrate that they will be able to meet the revenue cost and to bring the new facilities fully into use. The letter instructs authorities to be prudent for the time being. They would be wise to plan within the provisional resource allocations they have been given until long term resource assumptions are issued.

    Unemployment Benefit

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will make a statement on when he now expects to restore the 5 per cent. to unemployment benefit which was deducted in lieu of taxation of the benefit.

    We considered the possibility of restoring the abatement when the benefit was brought into tax in July but concluded that we could not do so this year. We are, of course, increasing unemployment benefit next month by 11 per cent., which includes 2 per cent. to make up the shortfall in last year's uprating. We are keeping the question of the abatement under review.

    Defence

    Sir Douglas Bader

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1)whether he will redesignate the Air Ministry headquarters in Whitehall as Douglas Bader House, or name some other prominent Royal Air Force building or establishment after the late Sir Douglas Bader;(2) whether he will consider initiating some form of permanent national memorial to the late Sir Douglas Bader or contribute to a memorial fund to be established by an organisation outside the control of his Department; and whether he will make a statement.

    No, but consideration is being given to the concept of perpetuating the name of Sir Douglas Bader in a suitable way.

    Duchy Of Cornwall (Military Training Licences)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) if he will decline to apply to the Duchy of Cornwall licences for military training when these run out in 1984;(2) if any licences renewed to the Duchy of Cornwall in 1984 will be limited to exclude live firing and to allow only training of a non-damaging kind.

    Falklands Victory Parade

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what was the total cost to public funds for the use of planes and other military equipment, together with necessary maintenance and fuel, for the City of London's victory parade held on Tuesday 12 October.

    The Service aircraft and land vehicles which participated were operating within the normal rates of effort which are laid down for training purposes and there was therefore no additional cost to the defence budget. The only additional expenditure falling on the defence budget was the travel and subsistence costs of Service and Merchant Marine participants. These are still being assessed but are unlikely to exceed £30,000.

    Falklands Campaign (Satellite Pictures)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he made representations to the United States of America during the Falklands campaign for the use of the American satellite Discus.

    It is assumed that the question refers to representations about the use of DSCS satellite facilities for the transmission of television pictures. Informal approaches were made at official level but were not pursued for operational reasons.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what schemes were evaluated to link the task force to a satellite to send pictures to the United Kingdom during the Falklands campaign; and what was the result of the evaluation of each scheme.

    Still pictures were transmitted from the Task Force by means of the Inmarsat commercial satellite. This is a well established procedure on ships fitted with Inmarsat facilities and a Muirhead terminal. Once the necessary equipment reached the South Atlantic—via SS "Canberra"—still pictures of good quality were transmitted from the task force. The transmission of television pictures presented more problems and a number of schemes involving the use of both military and commercial satellite communications facilities were considered. In cooperation with BBC/ITV engineers a series of trials were conducted in the United Kingdom using the full range of military terminal and satellite equipment that. was available. For security reasons it is not possible to disclose the technical details of all these trials but although the initial trials proved it was technically possible to transmit mute black and white pictures of moderate quality by this means, the practical implementation of a television link with the task force in the South Atlantic was impossible because of the requirements of operational traffic and the fact that the ships of the task force were operating at the edge of the available military satellite's coverage where its performance was degraded and it could not transmit pictures. Television picture transmission via military communications was therefore not possible. The United Kingdom broadcasting organisations' satellite earth stations were also unsuitable for relaying television pictures from ships in the South Atlantic, and neither BBC nor ITV pursued the possibility of leasing a suitable commercial satellite terminal and transporting it to the South Atlantic.

    Asbestos

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many men were involved in electrical refitting of the following ships in Rosyth dockyard: (a) HMS "Lion" in 1965, (b) HMS "Barnard" in 1966 and (c) HMS "Zulu" in 196'7; and whether, in view of the extent of their exposure to asbestos, any steps have been taken to monitor their health records.

    Ministry of Defence records confirm that HM Ships "Barnard" and "Zulu" were refitted in 1966 and 1967 respectively but show that HMS "Lion" was not refitted at Rosyth until 1968: HMS "Sealion" was refitted at that yard in 1965.Records of individuals employed on specific refitting projects are retained for a period of two years after which time they are destroyed. It is not possible therefore to state the numbers of men engaged on those refits, nor to identify particular employees.If an employee had a medical problem whilst employed on those ships his personal medical record would confirm the nature and duration of the illness. It is unlikely that any reference would have been made to asbestos exposure because the health risks, now known to be associated with asbestos, were not fully appreciated at that time.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what current regulations are in force at Her Majesty's dockyards to protect dockyard workers from asbestos dust; and what steps are taken to ensure their enforcement.

    Management at all levels in the Royal dockyards is very conscious of the health hazards associated with asbestos. Great care is taken to ensure that all employees are afforded appropriate protection against the known health risks associated with this material. All Government industrial establishments operate within the Asbestos Regulations 1969 and the latest guidance note EH10 issued by the Health and Safety Executive.Precise details of the procedures to be followed when working with asbestos materials are published in a defence council instruction which sets out the code of safe working practice for all insulating materials. Local standing orders at each establishment also specify the precautions to be taken when working with asbestos, the procedures for isolating the asbestos removal process and the frequency at which environmental surveys should be carried out to check dust levels. Compliance with all these instructions is mandatory and dockyard managements are mindful of the overriding requirement to reduce exposure to asbestos dust at all times to the practicable minimum.The EEC is currently considering directives on asbestos related work and the HSE is preparing new regulations for more stringent controls to be implemented on 1 January 1983. These new standards will be introduced in the Royal dockyards as soon as possible.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if his Department keeps records on the number of Armed Forces personnel whose work involved exposure to asbestos and who later died of mesothelioma or related diseases; and if he will provide a breakdown of the numbers involved in each of the past 10 years.

    Records are not kept of all Service men who have been exposed to asbestos. During the past 10 years there has been one death in service due to mesothelioma.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence when protective masks were introduced for members of the Armed Forces whose work involved exposure to asbestos dust.

    Protective masks have been used by my Department since at least 1960. Their use has become more widespread with the increasing awareness of the dangers of asbestos.

    Argentina (Arms Purchases)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether Her Majesty's Government took any steps with regard to the office, established at Southampton by the Argentine Government, for the purpose of buying arms in the United Kingdom; and if he will make a statement.

    I am not aware of any Argentine office for the purchase of arms having been established at Southampton.Prior to the Falklands crisis the Argentine naval commission in London handled the purchase of naval equipment. This office was closed down and all staff left this country within a few days of the invasion of the Falkland Islands.

    Royal Marines Training Establishment, Lympstone

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence on what date he received a request from the then Argentine naval attaché in London to visit the Royal Marines training establishment at Lympstone in Devon; and on what date the visit actually took place.

    The Argentine naval attaché was invited together with 24 other Foreign and Commonwealth naval attaches to visit the Royal Marines training centre at Lympstone as part of a normal programme of visits arranged for naval attachés in this country. The invitation was issued on 2 April 1981, and the visit, which was attended by the Argentine assistant naval attaché, took place on 28 May 1981.

    Flash Shocks And Burns

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what studies have been made of the type of flash shocks and of burns sustained by troops during the Falklands campaign; and if he will make a statement.

    A study is currently being undertaken into the burns sustained in the Falklands campaign to see what lessons can be learnt about the treatment of burns, and what would be the most effective protective clothing to wear. We expect the results to be known in the New Year. 120 men suffered burns, with the following percentage areas of coverage. Figures reflect the area of coverage, not the severity of the burns.

    Not known33
    Less than 5 per cent.16
    5 to 9 per cent.35
    10 to 19 per cent.19
    20 to 29 per cent.13
    30 to 39 per cent.2
    40 per cent. or more2
    120

    Argentine Troop And Ship Movements

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what warning he was given of Argentine troop and ship movements by the American National Security Agency, under the agreement reached with the British Government in return for the use of Ascension Island.

    The agreement for the use of the long range missile testing sites at Ascension Island does not involve the provision of data from the National Security Agency. It is not in any case the practice to reveal sources of intelligence.

    Underwater Recovery Vessels

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on work of the underwater recovery vessel chartered from Aberdeen on 13 April and the underwater recovery vessel chartered from Charlestown, United States of America, on 26 May.

    The vessels referred to by the hon. Member are two oilrig support and maintenance ships, the "Stena Seaspread" and "Stena Inspector". The "Stena Seaspread" was originally requisitioned as a forward repair ship but is now on charter as a diving support vessel. The "Stena Inspector" continues to serve as a forward repair ship.

    Nato (Defence Expenditure)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the expenditure of each North Atlantic Treaty Organisation nation, including Spain, on defence as a percentage of gross national product and on a per capita basis.

    The most up-to-date information available for countries of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation is for 1981, at which time Spain was not a member of the organisation. The information is as follows:

    CountryDefence spending as per cent of GDPDefence spending per capita (US $)
    Belgium3·3348
    Canada1·8211
    Denmark2·5280
    France4·2442
    Germany3·4377
    Greece5·9238
    Italy2·5151
    Luxembourg1·3130
    Netherlands3·2319
    Norway2·9402
    Portugal3·684
    Turkey4·862
    United Kingdom4·9439
    United States5·8730
    Notes:These figures are provisional and based on NATO definitions of defence expenditure.They are expressed at average 1981 exchange rates.Defence expenditure of NATO nations is calculated as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product rather than Gross National Product.Defence spending for Iceland is negligible.

    For information concerning Spain, I refer the hon. Member to the International Institute for Strategic Studies publication "The Military Balance, 1982–83".

    Argentine Corvettes

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) on what date he learned that the Argentine corvettes "Drummond" and "Granville" were on their way from Argentine ports to support the Argentine ship "Bahia Paraiso" anchored off South Georgia;(2) on what date Her Majesty's Government first learned that the Argentine Navy had cancelled all leave in March;(3) what reports were received by Her Majesty's Government about the landing of Argentine air force aircraft in Port Stanley in the second week of March..

    These questions relate to matters which are currently under review by the Committee of Privy Councillors set up, with the approval of the House, to review the way in which the responsibilities of Government were discharged in the period leading up to the Argentine invasion of the Falkland Islands on 2 April 1982. The House will have the opportunity to examine these matters further when the Committee's report has been published.