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Written Answers

Volume 50: debated on Tuesday 6 December 1983

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Written Answers To Questions

Tuesday 6 December 1983

Transport

West Of Scotland(Staffed Stations)

asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he has received any proposals from British Rail that may result in the closure of staffed stations in the West of Scotland.

Glasgow And West Of Scotland(Rail Services)

asked the Secretary of State for Transport what recent proposals he has received from the British Railways Board concerning services in the Glasgow and West of Scotland area.

Ardrossan Harbour

asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he has received any proposals from the British Railways Board about the future of Ardrossan harbour.

Pedestrians

asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether he will take steps to amend roads circular No. 20/68 so as to take greater account of the needs of pedestrians.

Roads Circulars No. 20/68 has been replaced by departmental standard TD/4/79 and departmental advice note TA/10/80, copies of which I am sending the hon. Member for information. Both are currently under review along with the pelican crossing regulations with the aim of further improving pedestrian safety and convenience.

Road Haulage Permits

asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will take steps to increase the number of European road haulage permits, and of French and German road haulage permits issued to road haulage firms in Northern Ireland.

My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State strongly urged his European colleagues at the Council of Ministers on 2 December to abolish road haulage permit quotas after a short transitional period and in the meantime to agree to significant increases in the Community quota. The French and the Germans bilateral quotas are renegotiated annually. Resulting increases make more permits available to United Kingdom hauliers, including those in Northern Ireland.

Driving Test

asked the Secretary of State for Transport what information he has as to which states require some visual display on a motor vehicle to show that a driving test has only recently been passed; and if he will make a statement.

Newly qualified drivers are required to display a distinguishing symbol on their vehicles for a certain period after the test in Northern Ireland, parts of Australia, France, Japan, Portugal and Spain. It is not practical to relate a probationary period to actual driving experience, and I have no evidence that this measure has helped road safety.

Traffic Lights

asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will give consideration to enabling all traffic turning to the nearside at traffic lights being able to treat the traffic lights as a give way sign, as is now the case in the United States of America and certain other countries.

The general application of this proposal would make conditions more difficult and less safe for pedestrians as some American states are now beginning to find. It could also increase the delay to straight-over traffic if, as is generally the case with this arrangement, one lane is reserved for turning traffic. Where conditions are appropriate in this country, we already provide "Left turn only" slip roads with "Give way" markings or a left-filter traffic signal. These facilities achieve much the same effect as the American system but on a more controlled and selective basis.

Ride-Sharing Information Pools

asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will give guidance to county councils on the introduction of ride-sharing information pools for commuters.

My Department has conducted a considerable programme of research into the scope for increased ride-sharing. Several schemes were set up in collaboration with county councils and the results of these studies have been made available to all local authorities. It was concluded that ride-sharing was probably best initiated at the workplace and we have issued advice and guidance to employers on how to set up such schemes.

Disabled Persons (Motor Passes)

asked the Secretary of State for Transport how many motor passes for the disabled were issued in 1982 and 1983 to date (a) nationally and (b) in York; and how many prosecutions were undertaken for the abuse of use in these years.

Disabled persons' parking permits—orange badges — are issued by local authorities and records are not maintained centrally on a continuing basis. At the time of a national census on 1 January 1983, there were 682,000 valid badges in Great Britain. Information on the number of prosecutions is not available centrally.

asked the Secretary of State for Transport what information he has as to the information which is required to be displayed on motor passes for disabled people in each European Community state, in the United States of America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand; what penalties, including monetary, expressed both in the original currency and sterling equivalent, are incurred for the illegal use of such passes; and if he will make a statement.

Practice varies among those Community states who issue badges. Most require the name of the issuing authority, serial number, and often the disabled person's name. I have no information about requirements in countries outside Europe. The maximum penalty for misuse of badges in Britain is £200; I have no information on penalties elsewhere. The changes made to the British scheme earlier this year should do much to reduce abuse.

National Travel Survey (Bicycles)

asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will conduct a survey to update the 1978 national travel survey in respect of the number of bicycle owners; and if he will make a statement.

My right hon. Friend has authorised work to proceed to plan the next national travel survey which is to be held in 1985–86. The size of this survey and the general coverage of questions will be decided within the next two or three months. This survey will enable the Department to revise its estimate of the number of bicycle owners.

London Regional Transport

asked the Secretary of State for Transport if, in respect of his newly announced principles for London regional transport, he proposes to require such a body to ensure approximation of fare charges between buses and underground railways subject to its control.

Under Clause 8 of the London Regional Transport Bill published on 2 December, the new authority will determine the general level and structure of fares to be charged for all public passenger transport services under their control. In doing so it will be subject to the various duties and other requirements specified in the Bill.

London Transport Executive

asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will specify in detail the additional costs he considers have been incurred by London Transport Executive; and by how much fares in London can be reduced if such costs are not incurred.

The figures published by LT show that since 1970 its unit costs per vehicle mile have gone up in real terms by nearly two thirds on the buses and by more than 50 per cent. on the Underground; bus engineering costs have more than doubled in real terms.

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

Cheese

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what steps he intends to take to inform the public of the artificial additions it is proposed to introduce into those cheeses that will be produced under the proposed amended provisions of the Cheese Regulations 1970.

None. The requirement to label all cheese in accordance with the Food Labelling Regulations 1980, as amended, will continue.

Common Agricultural Policy

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will make a statement on further progress toward reform of the common agricultural policy.

The adaptation of the common agricultural policy is one of the items under discussion at the European Council meeting in Athens from 4 to 6 December. The outcome of the Council will be made known to the House as soon as practicable.

Subsidies

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he is satisfied with the adequacy and efficiency of public control over expenditure on subsidies to agriculture.

All grant and subsidy schemes incorporate arrangements designed to ensure that claims are properly scrutinised, and my audit division provides an independent check on these arrangements.

House Of Commons

Select Committees (Overseas Travel)

asked the Lord Privy Seal what was the cost to public funds, in the financial year 1982–83, of travelling abroad and associated expenses of hon. Members and officials serving on Select Committees of this House; how this cost compares with that of financial year 1981–82; if he will give detailed costs relating to each Select Committee; and if he will make a statement.

The cost to public funds in the financial year 1982–83 of Members and officials travelling overseas with Select Committees was £212,401; the cost in the financial year 1981–82 was £167,725. The detailed costs relating to each Select Committee are given in the Select Committee returns for 1982–83 (HC. No. 50) and 1931–82 (HC. No. 183).

Members (Travel Costs)

asked the Lord Privy Seal what has been the total cost of travel of hon. Members within the United Kingdom, excluding journeys between hon. Members' homes, their constituencies, and Westminster, for each year since the scheme began; and how much of this cost was for journeys to or from Northern Ireland.

A resolution of the House of Commons of 4 March 1980 permitted hon. Members to be reimbursed for expenditure incurred on travel within the United Kingdom on parliamentary business in addition to previously authorised travel between their homes, Westminster and constituencies and within the constituencies.

The total cost of travel expended in the years in question and that expended on travel to and from Northern Ireland is as follows:

Total £

Journey costs to and from Northern Ireland £

1979–80NilNil
1980–815,774·731,486·07
1981–8214,044·312,653·61
1982–8327,155·981,076·02
1983–84*12,884·37812·00
59,859·396,027·70

* To 30 November 1983.

National Finance

Nationalised Industries

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the return on capital (a) in each of the nationalised industries and (b) all other commercial state concerns; and what total capital is involved in each case.

It is not possible to provide information for each nationalised industry on a comparable basis. Available figures are as follows:

Capital returns 1981*
Capital employed £ millionRate of return
Including subsidy Per cent.Excluding subsidy Per cent.
Air Transport (British Airports Authority; British Airways Board; Civil Aviation Authority)2,420-5·9-6·4
Coal (National Coal Board)6,2901·9-5·9
Electricity (Electricity Council, England and Wales; North of Scotland Hydroelectric Board; South of Scotland Electricity Board; Northern Ireland Electricity Service)29,106-0·2-0·2
Gas (British Gas Corporation)10,8285·05·0
Posts and Telecom (Post Office; British Telecom)20,7100·70·7
Rail (British Railways Board)17,142-2·2-7·1
Steel† (British Steel Corporation)11,256-8·7-8·7
Total Nationalised Industries‡104,160-0·4-1·9
Public Corporations (other than nationalised industries)35,8401·4-0·8
* Latest available year.
† Excludes capital write-offs.
‡Includes industries not appearing elsewhere in this table.
The basis for the calculation and comparable figures for the years 1970 to 1979 were supplied by the Treasury in evidence to the Treasury and Civil Service Select Committee in 1981. These have been published as appendix 12 in volume III of its report "Financing of the Nationalised Industries" HC 348—III.

Building Societies

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will investigate whether loans to the Berger group of companies amounting to £1·14 million recorded in the Britannia Building Society's AR11 for 1981 under the special advances section infringed building society regulations laid down by his Department.

As my predecessor explained to the hon. Member, it would be contrary to the public interest to give information about the monitoring by the registry of particular societies except where the Chief Registrar has used his statutory powers to restrict the operations of a society, or following the appointment of inspectors.The public record shows that the Britannia Building Society made special advances, including the advances referred to by the hon. Member, of 0·78 per cent. of total advances in 1981. It was permitted by section 22 of the Building Societies Act 1962 to make up to 10 per cent.If the hon. Member has any other point in mind, perhaps he would write to me.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether the Chief Registrar of Friendly Societies will investigate the circumstances of the loan of moneys by the Britannia Building Society at various times since 1964 on the security of Hollington Court, Chislehurst, previously purchased by the Bernard Clarke group of companies through funds originally raised by mortgage with the Leek and Westbourne Building Society.

If the hon. Member has any specific point on any advances which may have been made, which he considers should be investigated in the interests of protecting investors, perhaps he would write to me.

Interest Rates

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what effect he estimates the United States surplus on capital account and factors arising therefrom have on the level of British interest rates.

Capital inflows into the United States have contributed to the strength of the dollar during 1983, and it is against this background that other countries have operated monetary policy. This is, however, one of a number of factors that have influenced the financial environment so that it is not possible to estimate the extent to which United States capital inflows have influenced interest rates in these countries.

Banks (Scotland)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will list the banks operating in Scotland (a) with their head office in Scotland and certified under the Bank Notes (Scotland) Act 1845, (b) with their head office in Scotland but not so certified and (c) with their head offices elsewhere.

There is no definition of "bank" which is valid for all purposes. The table which follows lists deposit-taking institutions which are authorised under the Banking Act 1979 or are exempt from authorisation under that Act, other than building societies. The lists of institutions under (b) and (c) are believed to be reasonably complete but are not necessarily exhaustive.

(a) Institutions operating in Scotland, with their head office in Scotland and certified under the Bank Notes (Scotland) Act 1845.

  • Bank of Scotland
  • Clydesdale Bank plc.
  • Royal Bank of Scotland

(b) Institutions operating in Scotland and with their head offices in Scotland but not certified under the 1845 Act, including subsidiaries of institutions with head offices elsewhere.

  • Airdrie Savings Bank
  • Annan Savings Bank
  • British Linen Bank Ltd.
  • James Finlay Corporation Ltd.
  • McNeill Pearson Ltd.
  • Morgan Grenfell (Scotland) Ltd.
  • National Commercial & Glyns Ltd.
  • Noble Grossart Ltd.
  • Standard Property Investment Co. Ltd.
  • TSB Scotland

(c) Institutions operating in Scotland—that is, with offices in Scotland—whose head offices are elsewhere.

  • Allied Irish Banks Ltd.
  • Bank of America NT & SA
  • Bank of India
  • Bank of Ireland
  • The Bank of Nova Scotia
  • Banque Nationale de Paris plc.
  • Barclays Bank International Ltd.
  • Chemical Bank
  • Citibank N.A.
  • County Bank Ltd.
  • Credit Lyonnais
  • Hill Samuel & Co. Ltd.
  • The Hong Kong & Shanghai Banking Corporation
  • Kleinwort Benson Ltd.
  • Lloyds Bank plc.
  • Manufacturers Hanover Trust Co.
  • Midland Bank Ltd.
  • National Girobank
  • National Bank of Pakistan
  • National Westminster Bank plc.
  • Singer & Friedlander Ltd.

Income Tax Offices

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how many income tax offices have been closed in Wales in each of the past five years; how many staff have been made redundant in consequence; how many such offices are under threat of closure at the present time; and where they are located.

One collection office has been closed, in October 1983; no staff have been made redundant.

Eighteen offices are scheduled for closure under reorganisation plans announced earlier this year—
Nine collection offices-in Cardiff three, Newport, Carmarthen, Neath, Pontypool, Pontypridd and Rhyl.
Nine tax districts-in Cardiff, Newport two, Aberdare, Haverfordwest, Llandudno, Pontypridd, Port Talbot and Swansea.

Wallace Field Company

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is satisfied with the bona fides of Wallace Field Co. which has made an application for a free port at Liverpool airport, Speke; if he will describe the nature of its application; and set out the credentials of the applicants.

The information supplied by potential free port operators must be regarded as confidential. The merits of all applications will be fully considered before a decision is taken.

Construction Alteration (Vat)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether in the light of the House of Lords ruling on 24 November in the case of Customs v. Viva Gas Appliances, he will now clarify the situation regarding zero-rating value added tax for construction alteration work.

The Commissioners of Customs and Excise have been considering the implications of the Viva judgment. Their initial view is that the guidance contained in their public notices on the liability to VAT of construction work will need revising only to a very limited extent. They will, however, be consulting the construction industry trade associations before announcing any changes in that guidance.

Council Houses (Valuations)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer, when placing a value on a public sector house, what criteria are used by the district valuer.

The district valuer has regard to the provisions of the Housing Act 1980 or the Tenants' Rights Etc (Scotland) Act 1980, as appropriate. The primary consideration is open market value with vacant possession, excluding any improvements the tenant may have made.

Printing And Distribution Costs

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer (1) what has been the cost in each of the past five years of printing and distributing to the public (a) all public decisions of the value added tax tribunals and (b) leaflets and notices by Her Majesty's Customs and Excise;(2) how many organisations and individuals received copies of all public decisions of value added tax tribunals in each of the past five years.

The distribution of copies of decisions by the VAT tribunals is a matter for the president of those tribunals.I am advised that the number of individuals and organisations receiving copies of all public decisions of the VAT tribunals was 21 in 1980 and 37 in 1983. In addition, in 1980 six individuals-organisations received copies limited to subjects of interest to a particular trade, while by 1983 this number had risen to 17. The total estimated annual printing and distributing cost was £2,000 in 1980 and £2,200 in 1983. Figures for the other years are not available.The estimated cost of printing and distributing all Customs and Excise leaflets and notices relating to VAT was as follows:

Year£
1980–81510,000
1981–82168,000
1982–83227,000

Bank Notes

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer why he will not consider, when a suitable legislative opportunity arises, amending the Bank Notes (Scotland) Act 1845, to (a) raise the limit on the fiduciary issues of Scottish bank notes to a level commensurate with the devaluation of the currency since 1845, (b) allow the Trustee Savings Bank to issue its own bank notes on a comparable basis to the existing three Scottish banks, and (c) give the Treasury powers to grant a similar right to any new banks that might be established in the future.

[pursuant to his reply, 29 November 1983, c. 464]: I understand the Scottish banks do not seek to extend their privilege. Moreover, the proposals are not in the public interest, since they would deny the Government their return on the note issue, and increase the cost of their borrowing.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will consult the Trustee Savings Bank in Scotland to ascertain its interest in being permitted to issue bank notes.

[pursuant to his reply, 29 November 1983, c. 464]: The Trustee Savings Bank has been consulted about all elements of the TSB group's proposed restructuring. Neither the TSB central board nor TSB Scotland has proposed during these discussions that TSB Scotland might issue bank notes.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will list the Scottish banks certified by the Commissioners under the Bank Notes (Scotland) Act 1845 and the amount of bank notes certified as issued under section 1 of the Act.

Date of MergerBanks in MergerAuthorised Note Issue £
Clydesdale BankClydesdale Bank274,321498,773
1950North of Scotland Bank224,452
Bank of ScotlandBank of Scotland396,852851,198
1954Union Bank of Scotland454,346
Commercial Bank of ScotlandNational Commercial Bank of Scotland374,880671,904
1958National Bank of Scotland297,024
Royal Bank of ScotlandRoyal Bank of Scotland216,451888,355
1969National Commercial Bank of Scotland671,904
Bank of ScotlandBank of Scotland851,1981,289,222
1969British Linen Bank438,024

Banks

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will list the banks, certified in terms of section 1 of the Bank Notes (Scotland) Act 1845, which have ceased to trade other than under the terms of a merger covered by section 4 of the Act since 1953.

Bank Notes (Scotland) Act 1845

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will list the organisations and individuals to which section 18 of the Bank Notes (Scotland) Act 1845 applies.

[pursuant to his reply, 29 November 1983, c. 464]: The information is as follows:

Banks issuing under the 1845 ActAuthorised Issues £
Bank of Scotland300,485
The Royal Bank of Scotland183,000
British Linen Bank438,024
Dundee Banking Co.33,451
Perth Banking Co.38,656
Banking Co. of Aberdeen88,467
Commercial Bank of Scotland374,880
National Bank of Scotland297,024
Town and Country Bank70,133
Union Bank of Scotland327,223
Ayrshire Banking Co.53,656
Western Bank of Scotland284,282
Central Bank of Scotland42,933
North of Scotland Bank154,319
Clydesdale Bank104,028
Caledonian Banking Co.53,434
Eastern Bank of Scotland33,636
City of Glasgow Bank72,921
Edinburgh and Glasgow Bank136,657
Total3,087,209

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will list the bank mergers that have taken place since 1953 to which the provisions of section 4 of the Bank Notes (Scotland) Act 1845 applied, the dates on which the merger became effective and the certified amounts of issued bank notes determined under the said section.

[pursuant to his reply, 29 November 1983, c. 464]: Five mergers between Scottish banks have taken place since 1950, to which section 4 of the Bank Notes (Scotland) Act 1845 applied. Details of these are as follows:

[pursuant to his reply, 2 December 1983, c. 644–645]: Section 18 applies to any person issuing notes in Scotland for less than £5, except the banks now certified under section 4 of the Act. There are no longer any banks deriving their authority to issue from section 1.

Education And Science

Student Numbers

72.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the lastest estimate his Department has made of the total number of students who will be in state primary, secondary and tertiary places of education, respectively, in each year from 1983 to 1993, inclusive.

England: pupils and home students (thousands)
1982–83 (actual)1983–841984–851985–861986–87
Maintained schools
Primary*3,7523,6453,6023,5993,615
Secondary (under school leaving age)3,3953,3083,1973,0642,931
Secondary (over school leaving age)346343338335328
Non-advanced further education†532580579574566
Higher education‡410425431431424
* Full-time equivalent.
† Full-time equivalent includes students on part-time courses sponsored under the Youth Training Scheme.
‡ Full-time and sandwich.
England: pupils and home students (thousands)
1987–881988–891989–901990–911991–921992–93
Maintained schools
Primary*3,6503,7123,7843,8363,8903,960
Secondary (under school leaving age)2,7692,6352,5462,5282,5492,592
Secondary (over school leaving age)328319304290278268
Non-advanced further education†
Higher education‡
* Full-time equivalent.
† Full-time equivalent includes students on part-time courses sponsored under the Youth Training Scheme.
‡ Full-time and sandwich.

School Libraries

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) how many secondary schools have school libraries containing more than (a) 2,500 books, (b) 5,000 books, (c) 10,000 books;(2) how many secondary schools employ a trained professional librarian; and what percentage this represents of all secondary schools.

The latest information, from the 1979 secondary school library sample survey, is as follows

England, March 1979
Proportion of maintained schools per cent.Number of maintained schools (estimates)
Size of School library stock
More than 2,500 books983,980
More than 5,000 books753,050
More than 10,000 books251,020
Schools with a qualified librarian*16630
† Librarians with degrees or diplomas recognised as professional qualifications for librarianship or information science.

"Arts In Schools"

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what response he has made to the report of the Gulbenkian foundation entitled "Arts in Schools".

My right hon. Friend was sent a copy of the report in January 1982. In his reply to the foundation he noted that the report was a timely contribution to the

Current projections by the Department are given in the attached table. They do not take into account the early information now available on staying-on at school and enrolment at FE this autumn.curriculum discussions being undertaken at local level. He pointed out that the Government's document of guidance "The School Curriculum"—a copy of which is available in the Library — identifies aesthetic subjects as an essential part of the primary school curriculum, and makes quite clear that pupils should retain opportunities for aestheic activity up to the end of their compulsory schooling. An extended statement of the Government's view was given by my noble Friend Lord Elton in the House of Lords on 5 April 1982. — [Vol. 429, c. 98–105.]

Youth Training Scheme

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will estimate the amount the Nottinghamshire education authority is losing financially by its participation in the youth training scheme; and if he will meet that authority to negotiate a higher fee rate for off-the-job training.

The financial aspects of Nottinghamshire local education authority's participation in the youth training scheme are a matter for the LEA. Fees for off-the-job elements of YTS provideds in further education colleges in 1983–84 were negotiated between the local authority associations and the Confederation of British Industry and are a matter for those two parties. I understand that negotiations for the fees from March 1984 will take place shortly.

Maintained Special Schools

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether he has fixed a date by which the governing bodies of maintained special schools must include parent and teacher governors.

Following my statement to the House of 29 July—[Vol. 46, c.629–30]—my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Wales and I have consulted the local authority associations, teacher associations and other interested parties on this matter. In the light of the response to these consultations we have made an order applying sections 2 and 3 of the Education Act 1980 to maintained special schools from 1 September 1984.

Defence

Armed Forces (Statistics)

asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he will publish in the Official Report a table showing the number of admirals in the Royal Navy and the number of fighting ships of frigate class and above, together with the corresponding figures for 1973, 1963 and 1953.

Ratio of admirals and above to fighting ships of frigate class and above, including submarines, are as follows:

AdmiralsShipsRatios
1953813841 : 4·74
1963691931 : 2·80
1973601121 : 1·87
198347971 : 2·06
These figures give the average complemented number of admirals on the general list for the years specified. They exclude admirals of the fleet who have ceased active employment, admirals in non-combatant posts and flag officer royal yachts and hydrographer whose ships are not included in the numbers given for fighting ships.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he will publish in the Official Report a table showing for each of the three services the number in each rank from brigadier upwards and the total number of officers and other ranks; and if he will provide corresponding figures for 1973, 1963 and 1953.

The information requested is as follows:

1953196319731983
Royal Navy
Admiral of the Fleet121
Admiral10656
Vice Admiral27171412
Rear Admiral69494840
Commodore/Senior Captain104122118119
Total Officers14,59110,61610,0349,321
Total Service men/women119,90076,25762,66954,317
Royal Marines
Lieutenant General1111
1953196319731983
Major General3443
Brigadier/Colonel10121112
Total Officers677622614649
Total Servicemen10,9008,6687,5227,112
Army
Field Marshal11
General1310108
Lieutenant General20171411
Major General123958074
Brigadier425276261245
Total Officers35,89120,09228,54217,001
Total Servicemen/women413,300167,127153,367143,080
Royal Air Force
Marshal of the RAF1
Air Chief Marshal6777
Air Marshal21201712
Air Vice Marshal73715643
Air Commodore151143130109
Total Officers29,46821,45219,29315,052
Total Servicemen/women286,600120,58984,19975,208

Note: All data give the position at 30 June in the year stated except for the Army in 1953 and 1963 which are at 31 May 1953 and 31 July 1963.

Service Children (Education)

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what proportion of the children of armed forces personnel, whose education in independent boarding schools in the United Kingdom is financed by his Department come from officer families; what proportion come from the ranks; and if he will compare these figures with five years ago.

Precise figures are not available, but it is estimated that some 75 per cent. of the children of armed forces personnel who were being educated at independent boarding schools in the United Kingdom in the school year 1982–83 and in receipt of boarding school allowance came from officer families and 25 per cent. from families in the ranks. The respective percentages are estimated to be 80 per cent. and 20 per cent. five years ago.

Northern Ireland

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will publish the latest estimate of the annual cost of military operations in Northern Ireland, together with the corresponding figures for each of the past five years.

The extra cost of military operations in Northern Ireland in the financial year 1983–84 is estimated at £141 million at outturn prices. As the hon. Member was informed in a written reply on 13 July 1982—[Vol. 27, c. 341–42]—a more realistic method of assessing the extra cost was adopted in 1981, and for this reason it is not possible to provide comparable figures for the financial years 1978–79 to 1980–81. However, the figures for 1981–82 and 1982–83 at outturn prices are £149 million and £143 million, respectively. The figure of £134 million for 1982–83, which the hon. Member was given on 13 July 1982, was not at outturn prices, as was stated, but at the original Estimates prices. I regret the error.

Overseas Development

Aid Trade Provision

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what disbursements have been made under the aid trade provision from 1 January to date; which countries have been direct beneficiaries of disbursements; and which British companies have been indirect beneficiaries.

The information requested is as follows:

United Kingdom company (main contractors)ATP disbursements 1 January 1983 to 30 November 1983 £ millionBeneficiary
Northern Engineering Industries
(NEI)/Parsons2·571Botswana
Klockner/NEI5·010Brazil
Balfour Beatty0·090Burma
Sykes Marine0·751Burma
Cementation/APV Int.0·188Burma
John Brown Engineering0·061Burma
John Brown Engineering0·300Burma
Balfour Beatty0·127Colombia
Seltrust Engineering0·606Egypt
Dowty Meco2·882Indonesia
Plessey0·139Kenya
British Shipbuilders/Ferguson
Ailsa1·621Kenya
British Rail Engineering-Metro
Cammell2·033Kenya
British Aerospace0·065Madagascar
General Electric Co.0·796Malaysia
British Leyland0·163Mozambique
Davy McKee2·001Mexico
Balfour Beatty1·059Paraguay
Balfour Beatty3·627Peru
Balfour Beatty0·005Philippines
Balfour Beatty0·586Philippines
Balfour Beatty0·021Philippines
Brush Electrical Machines0·002Sri Lanka
General Electric Co./
Westinghouse/Balfour Beatty1·064Zimbabwe
Pipework Engineering Ltd.0·387Zimbabwe
Northern Engineering Industries5·000India
31·155
The firms named are the main contractors in each case. There are also many British subcontractors who will have gained orders from these contracts.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will give details of all offers made of aid trade provision assistance that have been turned down by foreign Governments from 1 January to date.

The following shows aid trade provision offers not taken up the recipient Government since 1 January 1983. For the most part of the contracts have been awarded to non-British companies, but in some cases it is known that the project did not proceed.

Offers not taken up by recipient Governments 1 January 1983 to 30 November 1983

Country

Project

ATP offer £ million

BotswanaMorupule Power Project: Boilers6·860
BurmaPharmaceutical Plant4·197
CameroonRail Locomotives1·060
IndonesiaUpgrading Balikpapan Airport12·300
KenyaSugar Factory5·650
MalawiPower Supply Study0·525
MalaysiaNenggiri Hep Consultancy1·200
MalaysiaPaka Power Station2·958
PeruRailway Equipment2·700
TurkeyLocomotives6·693
Illigan Steel Project: Reduction
PhilippinesPlant26·870
IndiaVisag Steel Project: Rod Mill2·845
IndiaVisag Gas Cleaning Plant1·940
Computer Control Centre for Power
ZimbabweNetwork1·950
MalaysiaCopper Complex Feasibility Study0·200
Telecommunications Equipment
KenyaSystem X6·350

Poorest Countries (Definition)

asked the Minister of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether the recently announced change to the definition of "poorest countries" for aid purposes will bring the British definition into line with the definition used by the development assistance committee of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

No. There is no internationally agreed list of the poorest countries. For some years the DAC has used the term low-income countries which currently covers 67 countries. They comprise those defined as least developed countries—a UN-defined list of 37 countries—together with those other countries with an income per head as assessed by the World Bank of less than US$600 in 1980.The British definition has been and remains more restrictive than the DAC definition. Until the recent change our definition of the "poorest" group was all least developed countries plus those others with a per capita income of less than US$370 in 1980. The new British definition is simply the 50 poorest countries as assessed by the World Bank, excluding states with a population under 100,000 and dependencies.The reasons for the change were given in a reply to my hon. Friend the Member for Exeter (Mr. Hannam) on 26 October 1983.—[Vol. 47, c.

104–105.]

Turkey

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how much direct bilateral aid has been given to Turkey in 1983 to date; and if he will identify the projects such aid has funded.

In 1983 to date about £5 million has been drawn down from loans to Turkey. £1·6 million of this sum met the final instalment of the 1980 refinancing loan No. 2 and the balance was for expenditure under the 1979 and 1981 programme loans. Programme loan funds were made available for the purchase of British goods and services and were not tied to specific projects. In addition, some £270,000 has been provided during this period for the technical co-operation programme.

Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

Spain

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will seek to renegotiate the Lisbon agreement with the Spanish Government so as to ensure that the Spanish-Gibraltar frontier is fully open before Spain joins the European Community.

No. The Lisbon statement remains an adequate framework for managing our differences with Spain over Gibraltar. We remain in close touch with the Spanish Government with a view to the restrictions on Gibraltar being lifted at the earliest moment.

English And Welsh Wine

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs which embassies, consulates and missions of Her Majesty's Government currently (a) hold and (b) do not hold stocks of English or Welsh vineyard wine.

Her Majesty's missions overseas do not maintain wine cellars. Wines served are chosen and stocked by individual officers. We do not have records of what wines are stocked, although wines from the United Kingdom are served on occasion. They are also served by the Government hospitality fund at functions hosted by Her Majesty's Ministers.

European Community (Unitary Taxation)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he raised the issue of unitary taxation at the Council of Ministers of the European Community on 28 and 29 November 1983; and if he will make a statement.

SchoolNumber of places currently available each yearTotal number of assisted pupils in the school in September 1982*Total number of assisted pupils in the school in September 1982* who had previously been in a fee paying schoolColumn (d) as a percentage of column (c)
(a)(b)(c)(d)(e)
Christ College, Brecon813538
Howells School, Denbigh152818†64
Howells School, Llandaff45631625
Llandovery College45240
Monmouth School for Boys28471838
Monmouth School for Girls1323835
Penrhos College1216425
Rydal School42514†56
Total1292208539
* Information for September 1983 is not available as claims have not yet been received from all the schools.
† These percentages are inflated because, by special arrangement, pupils transferred to these schools from Lowther College, a participating school which closed unexpectedly in July 1982.

Ophthlamic Laser Treatment

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will list the centres in each of the Welsh health authorities where facilities are available for the laster treatment of retinal detachment and for the use of cryotherapy in the extraction of lenticular opacities.

There was no discussion of this topic at the Council of Ministers meeting on 28 and 29 November, but at the Council of Ministers meeting on 17 and 18 October I urged our partners to make their own representations on this matter. The Community is continuing to pursue the matter with the utmost vigour.We have made clear that we are opposed to the application of the unitary method of state taxation on a worldwide reporting basis. It imposes a heavy administrative burden on companies and is a severe disincentive to investment in those states which apply it. It is also contrary to the internationally agreed arm's length method of attributing profits to members of a group of companies.

Wales

Assisted Places Scheme

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what percentage of pupils attending schools under the assisted places scheme in Wales are receiving full fee remission on the grounds of family income.

In the 1982–83 educational year 43 per cent. of assisted pupils received full fee remission.

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will publish in the Official Report for each participating school in the assisted places scheme and for an agregate Welsh total (a) the total number of places made available and (b) the number of places made available to pupils already attending a fee-paying school and the corresponding percentage of the total number of places.

Iron And Steel Industry (Imported Coal)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what percentage of imported coal was used in the iron and steel industry in Wales for each of the last four quarters for which such information is available.

Area Schools

asked the Secretary of State for Wales how many area schools in the primary sector have been opened in each of the education authorities in Wales

1980*1981*1982*
Local authorityLocal authorityPrivate and voluntaryLocal authorityPrivate and voluntaryLocal authorityPrivate and voluntary
Clywd234523552459
Dyfed285295295
Gwent254255255
Gwynedd262226272627
Mid Glamorgan322333334
Powys152152153
South Glamorgan271627162720
West Glamorgan225225227
*At 31 March.

Llanelli-Shrewsbury Railway Line

asked the Secretary of State for Wales when he last had discussions with British Rail regarding the financing necessary for services on the line between Llanelli and Shrewsbury; if he has received reports on the negotiations between British Rail and the county councils in Wales through which the railway line passes; and whether the councils will be providing greater financial support than hitherto.

I am aware that British Rail has approached the local authorities through which the line passes about the possibility of financial assistance towards the provision of infrastructure improvements. I have not had discussions with British Rail on this subject. Government support for the line is already provided by means of the public service obligation grant which my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Transport agrees each year with the British Railways Board. The possibility of support from local authorities is for them to decide.

Year EndingNew PlantingRestockingTotal
31 MarchHectaresAcresHectaresAcresHectaresAcres
1983436(1,077)1,482(3,662)1,918(4,739)
1982326(805)1,524(3,766)1,850(4,571)
1981683(1,688)1,116(2,757)1,799(4,445)
The corresponding figures in the 1970s were:
1980797(1,969)1,241(3,066)2,038(5,035)
1979572(1,413)884(2,184)1,456(3,597)
1978769(1,900)937(2,315)1,706(4,215)
19771,096(2,708)793(1,960)1,889(4,668)

in each of the past five years; and whether it is his policy to encourage such schools when primary schools become too small to be viable.

There is no statutory definition of the term "area school". I shall write to the hon. Gentleman.

Elderly Persons (Registered Homes)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales how many registered homes for the elderly there are now in each county in Wales as compared with (a) one year ago and (b) two years ago.

Departmental Financial Aid

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will detail the financial provision provided by his Department in the financial years 1981–82, 1982–83 and 1983–84 to the following organisations: (a) the Children's legal centre, (b) the Family Planning Association, (c) the Brook advisory centre and (d) Family forum.

The Welsh Office makes no grants to the Children's legal centre, the Brook advisory centre or the Family forum. The Department contributed £5,940 in each of the financial years 1981–82, 1982–83 and 1983–84 to the grant given to the Family Planning Association by DHSS.

Tree Plantings

asked the Secretary of State for Wales how many acres of trees were planted by the Forestry Commission in Wales during the last three years; what the corresponding figures were for 1970 to 1980; and if he will make a statement.

The areas planted and restocked by the Forestry Commission in the last three years were as follows:

Year Ending

New Planting

Restocking

Total

31 March

Hectares

Acres

Hectares

Acres

Hectares

Acres

19761,131(2,795)476(1,176)1,607(3,971)
19751,412(3,489)649(1,604)2,061(5,093)
19741,417(3,501)762(1,883)2,179(5,384)
19731,469(3,630)771(1,905)2,240(5,535)
19721,821(4,500)598(1,477)2,419(5,977)
19712,491(6,155)857(2,118)3,348(8,273)

Forestry Commission (Land Sales)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales how many acres of land the Forestry Commission hopes to sell in Wales during the next three years; and what the estimated revenue will be from such sales.

The Forestry Commission currently has 4,775 hectares—11,799 acres —of forestry land and plantations, with an estimated value of £5·8 million, in the process of being sold—that is, either on the market or approved for sale with reserve prices fixed.Because of variable market conditions, and other factors, it is not possible to be precise as to when these sales will be completed.

Rural Improvement

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what steps he is going to take to promote rural improvement in Wales; and if he will make a statement.

The development of rural areas in Wales will continue to be supported in every way possible—for example, by the work of the Development Board for Rural Wales in Mid-Wales, the Welsh Development Agency and the Wales Tourist Board. Selective financial assistance can be made available to eligible projects in the rural parts of the assisted areas. In addition, agriculture benefits from a comprehensive system of support. I keep the various mechanisms for providing assistance uner continual review. My officials are currently in discussion with the Commission on ways in which assistance from the European regional development fund could be made available to areas of mid-Wales on the basis of the scheme of aid announced on 28 June 1982.

A44 (Improvement)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales when he proposes to improve the Devils bridge road junction on the A44 between the Dyffryn Castell Hotel and Ponterwyd; and if he will make a statement.

There are no present proposals for the improvement of this junction.

Cardiac Surgery

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will list in the Official Report those centres in

Wales where cardiac surgery is performed; how many operations annually are performed; and how many (a) surgeons and (b) beds exist in each centre.

The NHS has one 24-bed centre with supporting cardiology facilities in Cardiff with three surgeons performing about 500 cardiac operations annually. The BUPA hospital in Cardiff also carries out some cardiac surgery operations, but we do not collect statistics from the private sector.

Kidney Dialysis Units

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will list the special kidney dialysis units in Wales; and how many beds each centre has.

The information is as follows:

Ysbyty Glan Clwyd, Bodelwyddan, Clwyd7 beds
Royal Infirmary, Cardiff, South Glamorgan12 beds

Home Department

Prisoners On Remand

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) if he will state for each of the six prisoners who have been in prison on remand for the longest period of time, the offences with which they have been charged and the length of time they have so far been held in prison on remand;(2) how many

(a) men, (b) women, (c) girls of school age and (d) boys of school age were remanded in custody at the latest available date; and how many in each category have been waiting for (i) over two years, (ii) 18 months to two years, (iii) one year to 18 months, (iv) nine months to one year, and (v) six to nine months.

Young Persons (Prisons And Remand Centres)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many young persons, by age and location, are in prison and remand centres awaiting transfer to youth custody centres; and what is the length of time that each has been waiting.

Youth custody trainees aged under 17 in prisons and remand centres in England and Wales on 30 September 1983: by establishment, time in that establishment and age Number

Time in that establishment

Establishment

Up to one week

Over one week up to two weeks

Over two weeks up to one month

Over one month up to two months

Over two months up to three months

Total

15

16

15

16

15

16

15

16

15

16

Males

Brockhill11
Latchmere House12115
Low Newton2425251223
Pucklechurch11
Swansea112
Thorp Arch16182220
Winchester22

Local prisons

Bedford1113
Bristol112
Birmingham257
Durham112
Lincoln123
Liverpool2428
Manchester231131314
Swansea11
Total123052049311195

Females

Holloway11
Risley112
Total1113
Male and Female Total133152149311198

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many prisoners held on remand in custody for longer than three months were subsequently acquitted in the most recent period for which figures are available.

The latest available information, which is as complete as we can provide, relates to those initially remanded in custody in 1981. About 750 of them were found not guilty or not proceeded against more than three months later. This time includes any time spent on bail.

Court Of Justice And Protection Of Criminal Law In The European Community (Committee)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will make a statement about the ad hoc committee on the Court of Justice and protection of criminal law in the European Community and include in that statement the purposes of the committee, the names of the United Kingdom representatives and progress so far made towards its objectives.

The working party's task is to consider proposals by the Commission for an amendment to the treaties establishing the European Communities. This amendment is designed primarily to facilitate the prosecution of criminal offences arising out of infringements of those treaties—in particular offences relating to the financial interests of the Communities. The United Kingdom is currently represented on the working

party by Mr. M. E. Head (Home Office) and Mr. K. J. Chamberlain (Office of the United Kingdom Permanent Representative to the European Community).

No agreement has yet been reached on the Commission's proposals.

London (Policing)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) what changes the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis has made in the policing of the Metropolis (a) since his appointment and (b) since he received the Police Studies Institute report, "Police and People in London".(2) what changes the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis has made in the selection, training and streamlining of management of the force since his appointment; and whether he has any further plans following the Police Studies Institute report, "Police and People in London".

The report which the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis made to my predecessor in January 1983, a summary of which is in the Library of the House, identified a number of areas where action was required and put forward plans for dealing with them. Considerable progress has been made in implementing these plans and some changes in training and management have been made. Further action in these areas and in selection is in hand. The Commissioner had already taken steps, independently of the Police Studies Institute report, to remedy many of the weaknesses it identifies and further long term changes relevant to its findings have been planned for several months. The Commissioner will be reporting to me in January on the action he has taken and his future plans; and I will place a summary of his report in the Library of the House.

Licensed Premises

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, since the introduction of the Licensed Premises (Exclusion of Certain Persons) Act 1980, how many prosecutions have taken place in England and Wales; and if he will make a statement on the operation of the Act.

Records available to us, which may be incomplete, show that 198 orders under the Licensed Premises (Exclusion of Certain Persons) Act 1980 were made in the period 30 June 1980 to 31 December 1982 and that in the same period seven persons were prosecuted for breach of an order. Corresponding information for 1983 is not yet available. If the hon. Gentleman has any particular case in mind where there has been any difficulty with the operation of the Act and will provide details, then I will look at the case.

Tamils

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many Tamils, whose permitted time of remaining in the United Kingdom has run out, have made requests during the past six months to be allowed to remain in the United Kingdom because of danger to their lives in Sri Lanka; and, of these, how many have been allowed to stay in the United Kingdom and how many have been required to leave.

The information requested is not readily available in the form requested and could be obtained only at disproportionate cost. In the six months to 30 November 1983 approximately 180 applications covering about 220 people were received from Sri Lankan Tamils seeking leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom who cited as one of the main grounds for their applications that they were afraid to return to Sri Lanka. The majority of these applications have not yet been decided; about 10 have been granted and 20 refused, but the latter figure does not include cases in which an initial refusal is at present the subject of representations.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) if he will take steps to ensure that no Tamils are forcibly removed from the United Kingdom to Sri Lanka until such time as the situation in that country is sufficiently improved to ensure their safety from anti-Tamil action;(2) what policy reviews have been undertaken by his Department in the current year concerning the returning of Tamils from the United Kingdom to Sri Lanka; whether discussions were held between his Department and either Amnesty International or the United Nations High Commission for Refugees on this matter; and if he will make a statement clarifying Government policy on this question.

We have kept in close touch with the situation in Sri Lanka since the disturbances there, and have kept under review policy on the return of Sri Lankan Tamils to Sri Lanka in the light of it. Each case in which a Sri Lankan Tamil expresses a fear of returning to Sri Lanka is carefully considered in accordance with our obligations under the 1951 United Nations convention and the 1967 protocol relating to the status of refugees and in the light of the particular circumstances of the case. But we do not believe that the situation in Sri Lanka at present is such as to justify a general policy of not returning Sri Lankan Tamils there.The Department has been in correspondence with the London representative of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees about the position of Tamils wishing to remain in the United Kingdom and I have received a letter from Amnesty International on the subject, to which I will be replying shortly.

Northern Ireland

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is his latest estimate of the annual cost to the police and other law enforcement agencies in England and Wales arising from the situation in Northern Ireland.

The cost of obtaining information on which to base an estimate would be disproportionate.

Departmental Expenditure

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will take steps to estimate the approximate breakdown of the total cost to his Department of £10,324,000 spent on travel and subsistence in the United Kingdom 1982–83 into categories of subsistence and travel by road, rail and air, respectively.

No. As I stated in the footnote to my reply to a question by my hon. Friend the Member for Stirling (Mr. Forsyth) on 18 November—[Vol. 48, c. 594] — separate figures are not readily available and could be provided only at disproportionate cost. The estimated cost of air travel within the United Kingdom during 1982–83, however, was approximately £30,000.Consideration is currently being given to means by which more detailed information can be provided about individual elements of travel and subsistence expenditure.

Personal Data (Disclosure)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what guidance is given to chief constables on approaching Government Departments to seek disclosures of personal data.

Guidance is contained in paragraphs 1.77 to 1.88 of the Home Office consolidated circular to the police on crime and kindred matters, a copy of which is in the Library.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether any names and dates of birth held by the police national computer have been verified by checking personal data held by the Department of Health and Social Security.

Disclosure of information from the Department of Health and Social Security is a matter for my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Social Services. I am not aware that any names or dates of birth held on the police national computer have been verified by checking personal data held by the Department of Health and Social Security.

Prison Governors

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many prison governors at present in office have been promoted through the prison officer grades.

One hundred and fifty-two prison officer grades have been promoted to the governor grades, as follows:

Number
Governor 17
Governor 218
Governor 326
Governor 445
Assistant Governor49
Assistant Governor (Trainee)7

Emigration

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what financial incentives are available from public funds to encourage emigration from the United Kingdom; and if he has any information as to incentives offered by overseas Governments to encourage such emigration.

There are no Government funded schemes to encourage emigration from this country, but financial assistance with the cost of travel is available in certain circumstances for immigrants to this country who wish to return permanently overseas but lack the means to do so. I have no information about incentives which may be offered by overseas Governments to encourage emigration from the United Kingdom.

National Graphical Association (Picket)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will call for a report from the chief constable of Cheshire police as to how many vehicles containing people intending to support the National Graphical Association picket were stopped by the police on 30 November (a) in the immediate vicinity of Winwick Quay industrial site, (b) outside the immediate vicinity of Winwick Quay industrial site; and of the latter number what proportion were on the westbound carriageway of the M62.

My right hon. and learned Friend has asked the chief constable for a report, and I will reply when he has received it.

Radioactive Material, Whitehall

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, pursuant to his answer to the hon. Member for Bolsover on 17 November, Official Report, c. 514, if he will now provide the report on the analysis of the radioactive material deposited in Whitehall on 12 November.

I have been asked to reply.This Department's fisheries radiobiological laboratory has analysed the materials deposited in Whitehall on 12 November for the major constituent radionuclides. The amount of radioactivity in these materials was found to be consistent with that of similar materials from west Cumbria which are regularly examined by the laboratory. The results of this work are published annually in the report on radioactivity in surface and coastal waters of the British Isles, copies of which are placed in the Library of the House.

Environment

Property Services Agency

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many architects, surveyors, and other professions are employed with the Property Services Agency; and what steps he is taking to reduce the numbers by contracting out their tasks to private enterprise.

The numbers of professionally qualified staff employed by the Property Services Agency on 1 November 1983 were 433 architects, 874 surveyors and 877 engineers, including graduate trainees and staff wholly engaged on work for the United States forces. On 1 April 1979 the comparable numbers were 541 architects, 1,065 surveyors, and 1,029 engineers. These reductions have been achieved as part of the Government's policy to seek to transfer functions to the private sector whenever that makes sound and practical and economic sense. A large and growing part of its professional work is undertaken by private consultants. The PSA annual report for 1982–83, of which copies are in the Library of the House, contains information on the use of private sector resources.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will list the details and the value of each contract contracted out to private enterprise by the Property Services Agency; if he will give similar details of the in-house contracts; and, in each case, what has been their value.

The PSA lets many thousands of construction contracts and design commissions each year and the details my hon. Friend requests are not readily available for all of them. However, information about those contracts over £100,000 in value is given in periodic press notices.All new construction and over 80 per cent. of maintenance work is carried out by private contractors. In 1982–83, 42 per cent. of project design was done by private consultants. These figures and much other information are contained in the agency's annual report 1982–1983. I will send a copy to my hon. Friend.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what was the level of establishment in each of the last five years of the Property Services Agency; and what is the estimate for 1984–85.

The number of staff in the Property Services Agency in each of the last five years was as follows:

  • 38,819 — at 1 April 1979
  • 35,350 — at 1 April 1980
  • 33,464 — at 1 April 1981
  • 30,154 — at 1 April 1982
  • 28,631 — at 1 April 1983
The manpower targets for the agency for 1 April 1984 and 1985 are 27,560 and 27,044, respectively.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if, when the Property Services Agency is drawing up contracts, it will take steps to ensure that in all cases the specifications are such as to permit Northern Ireland companies to tender for contracts both for the manufacture and installation of the products concerned.

The PSA tries to ensure that, in so far as is possible, all tenders are constricted to allow for maximum competitive tendering, in accordance with Government policy.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will take steps to include on the select lists of the Property Services Agency, Northern Ireland manufacturers who are already providing satisfactory services for the Department of the Environment in Northern Ireland.

Some of these firms are already on the PSA's approved lists, but the Department is considering what can be done to get more.

Water Authorities (Control And Enforcement Officers)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if the Government will provide additional finance for water authorities mandated to employ additional control and enforcement officers in order to carry out requirements laid down for the Control of Pollution (Exemption of Certain Discharges from Control) Order 1983; and how many additional staff, and at what cost, he expects to be required.

No. The Government do not finance the current costs of water authorities. The authorities in England and Wales already have staff to carry out functions related to those provided for in the order; but they have estimated that 100 or more staff could be needed by the time part II of the Control of Pollution Act 1974 is fully implemented. The Government will be concerned to ensure that any increase in staff on this account is kept to a minimum.

Rent Charges And Fixed Ground Rents

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he proposes to make any changes in the present arrangements for apportioning and redeeming rent charges and fixed ground rents following the consultation paper issued in September 1982.

I have decided to introduce legislation when a suitable opportunity presents itself. Following the lines indicated in the consultation paper, the effect would be to enable rent charges and fixed ground rents to be apportioned and redeemed by notices served between the parties without reference to my Department or the Welsh Office.

Medina, Isle Of Wight

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he expects his Department to finalise the arrangements for the establishment of the already approved new parish councils in the borough of Medina, Isle of Wight.

My right hon. Friend received the Local Government Boundary Commission's proposals on 30 November, and the objection period does not end until 11 January. If my right hon. Friend decides to implement the proposals, the aim would be to bring the new arrangements into effect on 1 April 1985.

Housing

asked the Secretary of State for Environment (1) how many dwellings currently lack one or more of the basic amenities;(2) how many dwellings were considered unfit for human habitation at the nearest available date;(3) what is the estimated number of dwellings which deteriorate every year into

(a) serious disrepair and (b) being unfit for human habitation;

(4) how many dwellings need repairs costing (a) over £7,000, (b) at least £2,500 and (c) between £1,000 and £2,500; and what were the figures for 1978 and 1981.

The available information is from the English house condition surveys and is as follows. My Department does not make estimates for intermediate years. The results showed little change between 1976 and 1981 in the number of unfit dwellings, but an increase of about 200,000 in the number of dwellings in serious disrepair. Estimates of annual rates of deterioration would depend on assumptions about the effects of remedial work and demolition.

Dwellings in unsatisfactory condition, England
Millions
19811976
Unfit1·121·16
Lacking amentities*0·911·53
Needing repairs of £7,000 or more†1·050·86
Total (excluding double counting)2·012·22
Needing repairs of £2,500–£6,999†2·87n/a
Total (excluding double counting)4·34n/a
n/a Not available.
* Inside WC, fixed bath in bathroom, washbasin, sink, hot and cold water at 3 points.
† At 1981 prices.
In 1981, 3·13 million dwellings needed repairs of £1,000 to £2,499, including 230,000 counted as unsatisfactory on grounds of unfitness or lack of amenity. The method of recording repair costs in the 1976 survey does not enable estimates at 1981 prices to be made for levels below £7,000.

Employment

Trades Union Congress

16.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what latest talks he has had with the Trades Union Congress.

As I said in my reply to the hon. Member's question on 8 November—[Vol. 48, c. 125] — I met members of the employment policy and organisation committee of the TUC on 19 October to discuss the operation of the political levy. I expect to meet the committee again in the near future to discuss the ways in which the trade unions might ensure that their members are able freely and effectively to decide whether or not to pay the levy.

Labour Statistics

17.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is the number of people under 25 years of age who are registered unemployed at the Houghton and Washington jobcentres.

On 13 October, the latest date for which an analysis by age is available, there were 3,039 unemployed claimants aged under 25 years in the area covered by the Houghton and Washington jobcentres.

37.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many people were in employment in September, October and November, respectively.

Estimates of the total numbers in employment are produced quarterly; the latest available figures are for June 1983. These were published in table 1.1 of the labour market data section of the November 1983 issue of Employment Gazette, a copy of which is in the Library.

41.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many people have been out of work for two years or more; and what was the comparable figure in May 1979.

On 13 October 1983, the latest date for which an analysis by duration of unemployment is available, there were 561,747 unemployed claimants in the United Kingdom who had been unemployed for over 104 weeks. The corresponding figure for registered unemployed on 5 April 1979, not available for May, was 179,784.

48.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is the latest total of those under 25 years of age who are unemployed.

On 13 October, the number of unemployed claimants aged under 25 years in the United Kingdom was 1,261,329.

56.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many presently unemployed people are women.

MaleChange FemaleAged under 18 years (included in previous columns)*
NumberPercentageNumberPercentageNumberPercentage
Registered unemployed*
October 1979 to October 1980+565+63·8+286+48·2+24+32·4
October 1980 to October 1981+1,079+74·4+313+35·6-24-24·5
October 1981 to October 1982+97+3·8-99-8·3-18-24·3
Unemployed claimants
October 1982 to October 1983-333-6·5-4-0·2-120-19·0
* The figures of registered unemployment for young people up to October 1982 exclude those registering at careers offices outside the area.

62.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is the present rate of unemployment.

On 10 November, the rate of unemployment in the United Kingdom was 12·9 per cent.

64.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what are the unemployment figures to the nearest convenient date; and how they compare with the previous month.

On 10 November, the number of unemployed female claimants in the United Kingdom was 925,429.

60.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is the present number of people registered as unemployed in the London borough of Wandsworth and the number of job vacancies registered at local jobcentres.

On 10 November, there were 15,652 unemployed claimants in the area covered by the Balham, Clapham junction and Tooting jobcentres, which corresponds closely to the London borough of Wandsworth.On 4 November, the number of notified vacancies remaining unfilled at the jobcentres was 673. Vacancies notified to jobcentres are estimated to be about one-third of all vacancies in the country as a whole. The number of vacancies remaining unfilled at a particular date takes no account of the flow of vacancies being notified, filled or withdrawn which would reflect activity more closely. For example, during the 12-month period to September 1983 the number of people placed in jobs by the Balham, Clapham junction and Tooting jobcentres was 6,177. It is estimated that the public employment service accounts for about one in four of all placings.

61.

asked the Secretary of State for employment what has been the increase, by number and percentage, in unemployment among (a) men, (b) women and (c) young people aged 16 to 18 years in the Birmingham, Erdington constituency in every year since May 1979.

The changes for each year up to October 1983, the latest date for which an analysis by age is available, can be best measured by using the October figures in each of the years from 1979. The following table gives the information for the Erdington jobcentre area, which corresponds closely to the Birmingham, Erdington constituency.

On 10 November, the number of unemployed claimants in the United Kingdom, seasonally adjusted and excluding school leavers, was 2,936,900. The corresponding number on 13 October was 2,941,000.

66.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what was the number of employees in employment in February 1974, May 1979 and June 1983, respectively.

Estimates of total employees in employment are available quarterly and the seasonally adjusted numbers in the United Kingdom in March 1974, June 1979 and June 1983 were 22,704,000, 23,087,000 and 20,894,000 respectively. The figures for June 1979 and June 1983 are provisional and the latter includes an allowance for underestimation in the basic estimates.

71.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what were the total levels of unemployment in Coventry in May 1979 and September 1983; and if he will make a statement.

In May 1979 there were 11,916 people registered as unemployed in the Coventry jobcentre area. On 8 September 1983 there were 29,260 unemployed claimants in the same area. The figures include school leavers and are not seasonally adjusted.

Unemployment (Thurrock)

18.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will give the latest available unemployment figures for Thurrock, numerically and as a percentage of the working population.

On 10 November, the number of unemployed claimants in the area covered by the Grays and Tilbury jobcentres, which corresponds closely to the Thurrock parliamentary constituency, was 6,012. Percentage rates of unemployment are calculated for complete travel-to-work areas only and the rate for the Southend travel-to-work area, which includes Grays and Tilbury, was 14·9 per cent.

Community Programme

19.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what further provision he is making to allow Manpower Services Commission community programmes to continue.

My right hon. Friend announced on 16 November that an additional £10 million had been provided for the community programme in the current financial year, and that it will be extended for a further two years to October 1986. The objective remains to run the programme on the basis of the existing target of 130,000 filled places.

27.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment whether he will make a statement on the progress of the community programme.

I refer my hon. Friend to my right hon. Friend's reply to my hon. Friend the Member for Eltham (Mr. Bottomley) on 16 November. — [Vol. 48, c. 481.]

44.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what discussions he has had with the Manpower Services Commission concerning its approach to assistance within the community programme schemes to projects which involve instruction in ethnic minority mother tongues.

I have made known to the chairman of the Manpower Services Commission my view that the community benefit which may accrue from teaching ethnic minority languages is limited and therefore unlikely to meet the basic criterion of the community programme.

63.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will meet the chairman of the Manpower Services Commission to discuss the administration of the community programme.

I meet the chairman of the Manpower Services Commission frequently to discuss many matters, including the community programme.

67.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment when it became clear that the community programme would be oversubscribed in Somerset.

The community programme is not oversubscribed in Somerset, but has grown faster than anticipated nationally. The Government have provided an additional £10 million for the current financial year, but we need to regulate the number of filled places in all areas for the time being in order to remain within the financial limit for the year. The position will be reviewed after Christmas.

Youth Training Scheme

21.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he is satisfied with the arrangements for payment of trainees engaged on the youth training scheme.

53.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what percentage of the funding for the youth training scheme has been provided by the European Economic Community's social fund.

The European Commission has not yet announced its decision of social fund allocations for 1983 for the major youth training programmes, including the youth training scheme. An announcement is expected later this month.

58.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is his latest estimate of the take-up on the youth training scheme for 1983–84.

By 24 November, the latest date for which information is available, some 276,000 young people had entered the youth training scheme.

68.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many young people are currently engaged in the youth training scheme in the county of South Yorkshire.

Some 5,500 youth training scheme places were occupied in South Yorkshire at the end of October.

33.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will make a statement on the degree of co-operation received from employers, voluntary organisations and unions in the organisation of the youth training scheme.

Over 430,000 youth training scheme places have now been approved. This is the clearest possible indication of the tremendous co-operation being given by all those involved, and in particular employers, in getting the scheme off the ground.

Truck Acts

22.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will make a statement on the proposal to abolish the provisions of the Truck Acts to enable wages to be paid direct by cheque.

The Truck Acts and related legislation will be repealed at the earliest opportunity after the Government have considered responses to a consultative document on deductions from pay which will be issued in the new year.

Unemployment (Alnwick And Amble)

23.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he is satisfied that present Government plans are adequate to deal with unemployment in the Alnwick and Amble areas.

Yes. Real and sustainable new jobs will be created in the Alnwick and Amble areas and elsewhere as our industries become more competitive and sell more goods and services. There are continuing signs that the Government's policies are succeeding in establishing the economic conditions which will help them to do so. It will take time for these improvements to be translated into new jobs and in the meantime we are continuing to help those hardest hit through our considerable range of special employment and training measures.

General Electric Company

24.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will seek to meet the management of the General Electric Company to discuss the unemployment implications of its recently announced redundancy programme at its Trafford park site.

We are of course concerned about any redundancies in the Manchester area which may result from the announcement of a cutbak in employment in GEC Turbine Generators Ltd. However, GEC is best placed to assess the viability of its operations and it must exercise its commercial judgment, taking into account the best interests of the company as a whole and its employees. We do not therefore think a meeting would be helpful.The Manpower Services Commission will do all it can to help any redundant employees find new jobs and all its advisory, placement and retraining services will be at their disposal.

Homeworkers

25.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many homeworkers are currently registered with his Department; and what proportion of the total number of homeworkers this constitutes.

There is no requirement for homeworkers to be registered with this Department. Section 133 of the Factories Act 1961 does, however, place a duty on persons giving out homework in specified trades to send lists of the names and addresses of homeworkers to the local authorities twice a year.

Labour Statistics (Tameside)

26.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many people have been unemployed over (a) 12 months, (b) 18 months and (c) two years in the Tameside travel-to-work area.

The following table gives the numbers of unemployed claimants who on 13 October, the latest date for which an analysis by duration of unemployment is available, had been unemployed for the lengths of time specified. The figures relate to the area covered by the Ashton-under-Lyne, Denton, Droylsden, Hyde, Mossley and Stalybridge jobcentres, which corresponds closely to Tameside.

Numbers
Unemployed for over 52 and up to 78 weeks1,734
Unemployed for over 78 and up to 104 weeks1,085
Unemployed for over 104 weeks2,221

Secondary Picketing

28.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he is satisfied with the effectiveness of the operation of section 17 of the Employment Act 1980 in stopping secondary picketing.

Section 17 of the Employment Act 1980 is concerned with secondary action of all kinds, including blacking and so called sympathetic strikes. Section 16 deals specifically with picketing away from a picket's own place of work and removes immunity from civil law actions from any unlawful acts committed during such picketing. Since the passage of the Act there has been a considerable diminution of indiscriminate secondary blacking and of secondary picketing and employers have been able to secure civil law remedies when they have found it necessary.

Unemployment (West Yorkshire)

29.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what were the levels of unemployment for the county of West Yorkshire in May 1979 and October 1983, respectively.

On 10 May 1979, the number of people registered as unemployed in the West Yorkshire metropolitan county was 44,645. On 13 October 1983, the number of unemployed claimants in the county was 115,429. The figures include school leavers and are not seasonally adjusted.

National Dock Labour Scheme

30.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will make a statement on the future of the national dock labour scheme.

The Government have no present plans for altering the national dock labour scheme but I shall continue to remind those concerned with its management that it must be seen to work effectively and to serve the wider interests of the port industry.

Trade Unions

31.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will take steps to encourage people in employment to join their appropriate trade union; and if he will make a statement.

The Government believe that trade union membership should be a matter of individual choice. We have substantially strengthened the safeguards against unfair dismissal on the grounds of trade union membership and activities.

Training Skills

32.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment whether he has considered the memorandum by the chairman of the Manpower Services Commission to the National Economic Development Council on training skills and tomorrow's needs; and if he will make a statement.

My right hon. Friend discussed this memorandum with other members of the National Economic Development Council on 2 November. Since then the commission has published proposals for a new strategy on adult training within which all those involved might contribute to achieving the objectives set out in this memorandum. My right hon. Friend is currently giving detailed consideration to these proposals.

Job Vacancies (Age Discrimination)

34.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what plans he has to discourage employers from exercising age discrimination in filling job vacancies.

The Governmen are not convinced that legislating against age discrimination in employment would be beneficial or practicable. We recognise the value of the experience, skill and other qualities that older workers bring to their jobs and we hope that employers will keep their recruitment practices under review.

Open Tech

35.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many people are currently undertaking Open Tech courses.

Some 6,000 trainees will benefit from courses supported by the Open Tech programme in 1983–84. Many of the 28 projects currently under way are, however, still in their early stages. The number of trainees is expected to increase to some 25,000 in 1984–85.

Jobcentres

36.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what criteria he has laid down to determine staffing levels at jobcentres.

Decisions about the staffing of individual jobcentres take account of a number of factors including the use made of them by employers and jobseekers and the availability of resources overall. The general approach adopted reflects the recommendations of the scrutiny of the general employment service in 1982.

Training Measures

38.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will initiate further studies of the anticipated requirements of skilled people in British industry to help in the planning of Government-sponsored training measures.

I am satisfied that the Manpower Services Commission already collects an adequate range of data to assist with planning its training programmes, and to enable it to respond quickly and flexibly to emerging needs.

Employment Prospects (European Community)

39.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will initiate a study into the implications for employment in the United Kingdom of the growing deficit in manufacturing trade with the Common Market.

No. I am satisfied that United Kingdom membership of the Community results in major employment advantages for our people. It gives us access to an internal market of 270 million people and the successful efforts of many of our companies and their employees to export to this market—so far this year 38 per cent. of all our exports of manufactured goods have gone to our European partners— sustain and create a large number of jobs in both manufacturing and service industries. The more competitive we can become, the more favourable will be the employment consequences of our membership of the Community.

59.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will make a statement on the prospects of employment for the long-term unemployed.

Like its predecessors, the Government do not publish unemployment forecasts for the long-term unemployed. The principal way in which we can help these people is by laying the basis of a sound economy and creating the conditions for growth. As part of this economic strategy the Government continue to operate a range of special employment and training measures to help unemployed people. These include the community programme, which is specifically designed for the long-term unemployed, and which, as my right hon. Friend has recently announced—[Vol. 48, c. 481.]—has now been extended for a further two years.

Technical And Vocational Education Initiative

40.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many technical and vocational educational institutes he expects will be fully operational by September 1984.

The 14 local education authorities which are currently running projects under the technical and vocational education initiative expect to make use of 144 schools and colleges. These are existing institutions and no new institutes are proposed in the terms of my hon. Friend's question. Local education authorities which are not already receiving financial support under the initiative have been invited to submit proposals for additional projects to start in September 1984.

69.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he has any information on the progress of the 14 pilot projects established under the new technical and vocational education initiative.

All 14 pilot projects started on time in September on the basis of proposals put forward by local education authorities and adopted by the Manpower Services Commission. A more detailed report on progress in these first pilot projects will be given in a review of the technical and vocational education initiative to be published by the commission in the new year.

Working Hours

42.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment whether the Government have any plans for limiting the hours worked per week for those in full-time employment.

The European Commission has proposed in European Council document 9451/83 of 29 September 1983 that there should be a "Recommendation on the Reduction and Reorganisation of Working Time". Its proposal will be discussed at a meeting of the Labour and Social Affairs Council of the EC on 8 December which my right hon. Friend will attend.

Departmental Manpower

43.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what were the manpower levels in his Department as at June 1983; and what are his expectations for those levels in June 1984.

On 1 July 1983, the date of the nearest quarterly manpower count, there were 31,089 permanent staff employed in my Department. The manpower figures planned for 1984–85 are 31,048 at 1 April 1984 and 30,238 at 1 April 1985. No specific figure is planned for June 1984.

Unemployment (Merseyside)

45.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many (a) men, (b) women and (c) young people have been unemployed for (i) over one year and (ii) over two years on Merseyside.

The following is the information for unemployed claimants on 13 October in the Merseyside special development area.

MaleFemaleYoung people aged under 18 (included in previous columns)
Unemployed for over 52 and up to 104 weeks21,2146,729765
Unemployed for over 104 weeks32,3465,781

Unemployment (Birmingham)

46.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will make a statement on the level of unemployment in Soho ward in Birmingham.

Real and sustainable new jobs will be created in Birmingham and elsewhere as our industries become more competitive and sell more goods and services. There are continuing signs that the Government's policies are succeeding in establishing the economic conditions which help them do so. Inflation is down to 5 per cent., interest rates are at their lowest level for five and a half years and output has been rising at about 2·5 per cent. per year since 1981.

Regional Economic Incentives

47.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what effect regional economic incentives have had on employment levels in various parts of the United Kingdom.

Estimates of the effects of regional industrial policy are not available beyond 1981. It is estimated that over the period 1960–81, regional industrial policy raised employment in the main United Kingdom assisted areas, as defined in 1979, by the order of half a million jobs. Most of these jobs represent a diversion of activity from other parts of the country but no estimates are available of the number of jobs displaced in the non assisted areas generally.

Political Levy

49.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will make a statement on his discussions with the Trades Union Congress on the matter of the raising of the political levy.

I refer my hon. Friend to my right hon Friend's reply to the hon. Member for Walsall, North (Mr. Winnick) earlier today. We are not yet in a position to make a statement on the outcome of these discussions.

Industrial Stoppages

50.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will make a statement on the trends in industrial stoppages in British industry.

Both the number of stoppages in recent years and the number of working days lost through industrial disputes have, on the whole, been coming down. In 1981 and 1982, the number of working days lost was 4·3 million and 5·3 million respectively, compared with an annual average of nearly 13 million in the previous decade. In the first 10 months of this year, 3·1 million* days were lost compared with 5·0 million in the same period last year and an average of 10·9 million over the first 10 months of the decade 1972–1981.These figures are encouraging and they surely reflect the wider awareness on the shop floor of the need to remain competitive if jobs are to be maintained or to grow.

* provisional figure.

Unemployment Benefit Claims

51.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is his latest estimate of the numbers ceasing to claim unemployment benefit in Great Britain during the latest month for which figures are available.

In the four weeks to 10 November, a total of 357,418 people ceased claiming unemployment benefit. The figure is not seasonally adjusted.

Industrial Agreements

52.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will introduce legislation to make union and management agreements legally binding.

We shall be considering the general issue of legally enforceable agreements between employers and trade unions in the light of the consultations which we shall be conducting on procedure agreements in the essential services. However, before putting any legislative measures before Parliament we would need to be convinced that they would be workable and effective.

Employment Appeal Tribunals

54.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will review the situation whereby two lay members of an employment appeal tribunal can overrule a professional judge on a point of law.

No; we are satisfied with the current arrangements. The employment appeal tribunal is bound by precedents established by the higher Courts and its decisions are subject to appeal to these courts on points of law.

Unemployment (Rother Valley)

55.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what action he intends to take over the high levels of unemployment in the Rother valley.

Real and sustainable new jobs will be created in the Rother valley and elsewhere as our industries become more competitive and sell more goods and services. There are continuing signs that the Government's policies are succeeding in establishing the economic conditions which will help them do so. It will take time for these improvements to be translated into new jobs and in the meantime we are continuing to help those hardest hit through our considerable range of special employment and training measures.

Construction Industry

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what change there has been in the number of people employed in the construction industry between May 1979 and the present.

Between May 1979 and September 1983 the number of employees in employment in the construction industry in Great Britain decreased by 271,000. The figure is provisional.

Babcock And Wilcox (Redundancies)

65.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what assistance his Department will make available to employees at the Babcock and Wilcox factory at Renfrew made redundant in the course of 1983.

All the advisory, placement and training facilities of the Manpower Services Commission are available to help those made redundant by Babcock Power Ltd at Renfrew. A large proportion of those who have lost their jobs in the course of this year have made use of these facilities.

Enterprise Allowance Scheme

70.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will make a statement on the take-up of the enterprise allowance scheme since its expansion nationwide.

I refer my hon. Friend to my reply to my hon. Friends the members for Lincoln (Mr. Carlisle) and for Northampton, North (Mr. Marlow) earlier today.

Road Transport Industry Training Board

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is the hourly cost of training provided by the Road Transport Industry Training Board taking into account its own costs and that of the monitoring costs of the Manpower Services Commission.

It is not possible to provide the information as requested. The board's role is mainly to promote training by employers in the industry. The only direct training carried out by the board is at its two multi- occupational training and education centres. The current estimated cost of this training is £7 per hour.

Race Relations Act 1976

asked the Secretary of State for Employment when he expects to introduce legislation to amend section 47 of the Race Relations Act 1976; and if he will make a statement.

Precise details of the intended amendments have yet to be decided. My right hon. Friend will make an announcement in due course.

Wolverhampton

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many people in the Wolverhampton travel-to-work area have been unemployed for 12 months or more.

On 13 October, the latest date for which an analysis by duration of unemployment is available, the number of unemployed claimants in the Wolverhampton travel-to-work area who had been unemployed for over 52 weeks was 11,710.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many places under the training opportunities scheme and the youth opportunities programme/youth training scheme are available in Wolverhampton; and how many of these have been taken up.

The information requested is as follows (Figures relate to the Wolverhampton local education authority area):

Places availablePlaces occupied
Training Opportunities Scheme (2 December 1983)498407
Youth Training Scheme (31 October 1983)3,9052,112
Recruitment to the youth opportunities programme ceased in September 1983; as at 31 October, about 150 young people in Wolverhampton had places under the programme.

Factory Inspectors

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many factory inspectors cover which industries; and what were their numbers for each year from November 1978 to the latest available date.

Within Her Majesty's factory inspectorate's 21 areas, inspectors work in groups dealing locally either with a single industry or sector of employment or a group of industries. In the areas there are also national industry groups which act as a national focus for health and safety matters for a specific industry or employment sector.About 15 per cent. of the total resources of the factory inspectorate's area staff is allocated to the inspection of construction work. In any particular area the allocation of inspectors to other industries depends both on the work load that arises in connection with an industry and its local concentration.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if, pursuant to the answers to the hon. Member for Bolsover (Mr. Skinner) Official Report, 28 November, c. 408, and the hon. Member for Sheffield, Brightside (Miss Maynard) Official Report, 28 November, c. 413, he will give a breakdown of (a) the number of premises registered and (b) the number of premises visited for each of the categories of inspectors for the years 1979 to 1982; if he will give the average time between planned visits to the registered workplaces, on the same breakdown; and if he will estimate the number of inspectors that would be necessary to ensure that each such workplace was inspected annually.

Metropolitan District Councils

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will list the sums of Manpower Services Commission money allocated to the metropolitan district councils in respect of the youth training scheme, community programmes and voluntary project programmes in 1982–83 and 1983–84.

The information is not available in the form requested and could be obtained only at disproportionate cost.

Workers (Consultation Rights)

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will make a statement on the Government's views on the European Community's Vredeling directive that will give new consultation rights to workers in large companies.

The Government are firmly committed to the principle of managements informing and consulting employees about matters which affect them, but believes that successful employee involvement is best introduced voluntarily. We therefore see no need for Community legislation in this field and we have made clear our profound reservations about the draft Vredeling directive on procedures for informing and consulting employees. Nevertheless the Government are at present consulting interested parties on the draft Vredeling directive and the draft fifth directive on the harmonisation of company law in order to ensure that the views of United Kingdom interests are fully represented during negotiations in Brussels. A copy of the consultative document was placed in the Library on 9 November 1983.

Trade Unions (Ballots)

asked the Secretary of State for Employment (1) if he will list the trades unions which have direct elections to their executive committees (a) by workplace ballot, (b) by postal ballot and (c) by branch ballot;(2) if he will list those trades unions which elect their executive committees at their regular decision-making conferences;(3) if he will list those trades unions which elect their executive committees from nominations

(a) by regional or trade conferences and (b) by regional or trade committees;

(4) if he will list the trades unions whose general secretary is a voting member of the executive committee and who elect their secretary (a) at least every five years by postal ballot, (b) by workplace ballot, (c) by branch ballot, (d) by a vote of executive committee and (e) by conference decision.

The list of trade unions maintained by the certification officer contained 462 trade unions at 31 December 1982 and the information requested could therefore only be provided at disproportionate cost. However, if the hon. Member is interested in any particular trade union I will endeavour to provide the information requested.

"Democracy In Trades Unions"

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will place in the Library copies of the submissions in response to his Green Paper, "Democracy in Trades Unions", from those organisations registered as trades unions under sections 8 and 28 of the Trade Union Act 1974.

The following trade unions listed by the certification officer submitted comments on the Government's Green Paper, "Democracy in Trades Unions".

  • Association of Career Teachers
  • Association of Magisterial Officers
  • Association of Managerial and Professional Staff
  • Association of Polytechnic Teachers
  • British Airline Pilots Association*
  • British Association of Colliery Management*
  • British Association of Occupational Therapists
  • British Medical Association
  • Engineers and Managers Association*
  • Royal College of Midwives
  • Royal College of Nursing
  • Scottish Secondary Teachers Association

* Commented jointly as members of the Council of Managerial, Professional and Allied Staff.

It is up to the organisations concerned to make their submissions public if they wish to do so.

Northern Ireland

Legislation

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many pieces of legislation have been discussed and debated by the Northern Ireland Assembly and its Committees; and what changes have been made in the legislation as a result of comments from the Assembly and its Committees.

Up to 31 October the Assembly had completed its consideration of nine proposals for draft Orders in Council, six of which had been scrutinised by its Committees. The Assembly Committees have also given detailed consideration to 25 draft statutory rules. Details of most of the changes made as a result of the Assembly's comments are set out in the replies given to the hon. Gentleman on 5 December 1983. Of the three proposals for draft Orders in Council considered by the Assembly before the establishment of the Departmental Committees, one — the proposal for a draft General Consumer Council (NI) Order — was withdrawn following consideration of the Assembly's comments and another—the proposal for a draft Rates (Amendment) (NI) Order — amended to allow for a higher rate of discount to ratepayers in certain circumstances.

Border Crossings

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many unmanned border crossings, passable by motor vehicles, there are on the Armagh-Monaghan-Louth frontier between Caledon and Carlingford lough; how many of these crossings were formerly sealed but have now been opened by local residents; and how many manned crossings there are on the same stretch of frontier.

Prime Minister

Engagements

Q6.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

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Q25.

asked the Prime Minister what are her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

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Q30.

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Q32.

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Q34.

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asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

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asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q40.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q41.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q42.

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Q43.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q45.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q47.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 6 December.

Q48.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q49.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q50.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q51.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q53.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q54.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q55.

asked the Prime Minister whether she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q56.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q57.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q58.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 6 December.

Q59.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 6 December.

Q60.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 6 December.

Q62.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q64.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q65.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q66.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q67.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q68.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q69.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 6 December.

Q70.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q71.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q72.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q73.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 6 December.

Q75.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q76.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q77.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q78.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

Q79.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 6 December.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 6 December.

I have been asked to reply.My right hon. Friend is returning from a meeting of the European Council in Athens.

Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics

Q7.

asked the Prime Minister when she expects next to seek to visit the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Local Authority Services

Q14.

asked the Prime Minister if she is satisfied with progress being made by local authorities in the privatisation of services.

I have been asked to reply.No. Too few local authorities have been prepared to put too few services out to competitive tender, despite clear evidence of the savings that have resulted from such action. Progress remains disappointingly slow. We are considering what measures could be taken to speed things up.

Bardowie

Q20.

I have been asked to reply.My right hon. Friend has at present no plans to do so.

Nature Conservancy Council

Q38.

asked the Prime Minister if she will now authorise the Nature Conservancy Council to increase its staffing, as recently recommended by the Rayner review of that body.

I have been asked to reply.I understand that my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Environment will shortly be reaching a decision on the staffing of the Nature Conservancy Council in the light of the Rayner report.

Hanwell

Q44.

I have been asked to reply.My right hon. Friend has at present no plans to do so.

Ussr (Foreign Secretary)

Q46.

asked the Prime Minister if she will invite Mr. A. Gromyko to visit the United Kingdom.

Birmingham

Q52.

I have been asked to reply.My right hon. Friend visited the national exhibition centre on 3 June 1983.

Littleborough And Saddleworth

Q61.

asked the Prime Minister if she will visit Littleborough and Saddleworth.

I have been asked to reply.My right hon. Friend has at present no plans to do so.

Aberdeen

Q63.

asked the Prime Minister if she will make an official visit to Aberdeen.

I have been asked to reply.My right hon. Friend has at present no plans to do so.

Immigration Rules

Q74.

asked the Prime Minister whether she will review the immigration rules applying to the entry of parents in order to allow the Asian community in Great Britain to care as they would like to for their elderly relations.

I have been asked to reply.No. The current rules governing the admission of elderly parents which Parliament has approved strike a fair balance between the claims of family ties and the continuing need to control the rate of immigration to this country.

Disabled Persons (Discrimination)

asked the Prime Minister whether Her Majesty's Government have any proposals to introduce legislation to prevent discrimination against disabled persons in any particular contexts.

I have been asked to reply.The Government are not convinced that general legislation against discrimination is appropriate or practicable in this field, but are taking numerous steps to help overcome particular practical problems which may face some disabled people, for example, in relation to employment opportunities, transport facilities and access to public buildings.

Civil Servants (Travel Costs)

asked the Prime Minister if she will ask Ministers to review the amount of travel

SiteApplicantsTotal (£ million)
(i)Sullom Voe terminalBP Petroleum Development Ltd.91·73
(ii)St. Fergus gas terminalShell (UK) Ltd10·43
Esso Petroleum Co. Ltd.
(iii) Mossmorran petrochemical complex:
(a) Natural gas liquifaction projectEsso Exploration and Production and11·08
(UK) Ltd
Shell (UK) Ltd.
(b) Chemical Plant projectEssochem Olefins Inc.15·05
Shell Chemical (UK) Ltd.
These figures show the totals for individual over £25,000 and are extracted from quarterly lists published in British business.

undertaken by civil servants in their Departments within the United Kingdom, with a view to making significant savings.

I have been asked to reply.Economy in administration is an aim to which the Government attach high priority, and to which all Ministers already subscribe. Following a Rayner scrutiny, a new costing system is being introduced in Departments to assist the effective control of expenditure on travel and subsistence.

asked the Prime Minister what has been the total expenditure on travel within the United Kingdom by civil servants in the last year for which figures are available.

Trade And Industry

Tourism

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what action has been taken on the conclusions of the programme analysis review on tourism in 1973–74 in so far as they concern the economic return to the public at large of the expenditure of public funds on (a) the hotel development incentive scheme, (b) overseas tourist promotion and (c) other subsidies to tourism promotion.

I understand that the programme analysis review on tourism was submitted to the then Government in 1974. It has not been made public and, in accordance with practice, it has not been available to subsequent Governments. I am therefore unable to comment on the findings of that review or any subsequent action that may have been taken by the Government of the day.

Industrial Development Grants

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what was the total of industrial development grants paid to (a) the Sullom Voe oil terminal, (b) the St. Fergus gas terminal and (c) the Mossmorran petrochemical complex.

Regional development grants paid under part II of the Industrial Development Act 1982 to applicants operating at the sites listed amounted at 30 September 1983 to the following:

Balance Of Trade

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what factors account for the change in the United Kingdom crude balance of trade in manufactures with West Germany from minus £96 million in 1970 to minus £3,321 million in 1982.

The change is mainly accounted for by a greater imbalance of trade in sections 6 and 7 of the standard international trade classification. These include specialised industrial machinery, iron and steel, and road vehicles.—Divisions 78, 72 plus 67.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what factors account for the change in the United Kingdom crude balance of trade in manufactures with the Republic of Ireland from plus £163 million in 1970 to plus £547 million in 1982.

The change reflects a reduced surplus in the balance of trade in section 7 of the standard international trade classification, a rate of growth in sections 5 and 6 greater in the case of imports than of exports, and an increased surplus in the balance of trade in section 8. In our trade in manufactured goods with the Irish Republic in 1982, the largest surplus was in articles of clothing and the largest deficit in automatic data processing equipment and office machinery—divisions 84 and 75 respectively of the standard international trade classification (Revision 2).

Pirate Radio Stations

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what action he proposes to take concerning the illegal pirate radio stations operating in the Greater London area.

In the Telecommunications Bill the Government are seeking new powers to seize equipment used by illegal broadcasting stations. In the meantime, with the aid of British Telecom's radio interference service we will continue to trace such stations and prosecute those concerned.

Footwear

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what information he has received from the British footwear industry about subsidies and other unfair trading practices in the Italian footwear industry with reference to footwear imports into the United Kingdom.

No recent information on subsidies or other unfair trading practices in the Italian footwear industry has reached me. If my hon. Friend has any such information, I should be pleased to have it. In appropriate cases, action can be taken by the Commission under the competition rules of the treaty of Rome.

Civil Aircraft

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what assessment he has made of alternative suppliers outside the Airbus industry for civil aircraft carrying more than 120 passengers; and if he will make a statement.

As part of their consideration of British Aerospace's application for A320 launch aid, the Government are assessing the market for civil aircraft with 125 to 225 seats in the period 1988–2002 and beyond. Besides the proposed Airbus A320, the aircraft in this category will include the Boeing 737–300—and possibly further derivatives of the 737—the Boeing 757, and the McDonnell Douglas MD-80. Boeing has also spoken of developing a new technology 150-seat aircraft, the 7–7, in due course.

Industrial Aid, Leicester

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will provide figures for the past five years showing how much industrial financial aid has been given to the city of Leicester and firms located in Leicester; and how this compares with similar aid given to cities and firms located in the rest of the United Kingdom.

Social Services

Tavistock Clinic

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he has now considered the future of the Tavistock clinic under threat of closure due to the withdrawal of funds by the North-East Thames regional health authority; and if he will take steps to enable this clinic to continue to treat patients needing pyschotherapy.

The Tavistock clinic is funded by Hampstead health authority and funding has not been withdrawn. The district is considering making an application for central funding of the clinic in recognition of its national training role.

Smoking And Health

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) if he will now require a reduction in the tar, nicotine and carbon monoxide yields of cigarettes;(2) if he will make the third report of the independent scientific committee on smoking and health available to hon. Members.

The third report of the independent scientific committee on smoking and health was published on 14 October. I have placed a copy of the report in the Library.In its third report, the independent scientific committee makes a number of recommendations regarding the tar and carbon monoxide yields of cigarettes. The committee makes no specific recommendations regarding their nicotine yields.In the light of the report, I am actively seeking to conclude a new voluntary agreement with the tobacco industry on tobacco product modification and research to follow the current agreement which is due to expire on 31 December 1983.

Leukaemia

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will identify the areas in England where leukaemia rates tend to be higher than average.

Leukaemia rates for areas are published by the Office of Population Censuses and Surveys in the annual reference volume series DH5 (mortality) and MB1 (registrations), copies of which are in the Library of the House. The latest available publications are for 1981 (mortality) and 1979 (registrations). The 1980 registration figures are due to be published later this month.

Drugs And Medicines

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what advice is available for those using National Health Service drugs and medicines as to the period of time after which the drug or medicine should not be used and should be disposed of safely.

Pharmacists determine such matters on the basis of their training, professional expertise, and published data on drug substances. Patients are safeguarded by a requirement for an expiry date to be shown on the label of all medicines that should be used within three years of manufacture. As a consequence of an EC directive of 26 October arrangements will be made to progress towards an expiry date on the labels of all proprietary medicinal products. Any member of the public who is doubtful about how to dispose of any medicine safely should be encouraged to consult his local chemist.

Mr David Nicholls

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what progress is being made on the inquiry by the Hounslow and Spelthorne health authority on the treatment of Mr. David Nicholls at West Middlesex university hospital.

Overseas Doctors

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many overseas doctors admitted under the original scheme are at present unemployed; and if he will take steps to protect their interests.

There is currently no national sponsorship scheme for overseas doctors, but schemes are run by organisations such as the British Council and the World Health Organisation. The doctors involved return to their own country after they have completed their training.

Benefit Claims

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what was the total number of claims for (a) sickness benefit, and (b) invalidity benefit for the quarterly period January to March for each year between 1977 and 1983.

The information is not available for these benefits separately. The figures in the table include new claims to non-contributory invalidity pension — and, from 1982, that for housewives.

During first quarter of—

New claims to sickness benefit, invalidity benefit and non-contributory invalidity pension 000s

19772,863
19783,373
19793,453
19802,760
19812,279
19822,370
19831,959

Coeliac Disease (Free Prescriptions)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will consider adding sufferers of coeliac disease to the list of selected diseases for free prescriptions.

I have considerable sympathy for people in this group, just as I do for all those suffering from conditions which are not included in the list of medical conditions which confer exemption from prescription charges. However arguments are frequently advanced for the inclusion of a large number of serious conditions. In fairness we cannot take any one in isolation and to include them all would cost the National Health Service a great deal of money. We cannot therefore agree to extend the list.Exemption from charges is not restricted to sufferers from listed medical conditions. Groups such as the elderly and those on low incomes are also exempt; overall some 70 per cent. of prescription items are dispensed without charge.Rather than pay charges on each prescription, an individual who is not exempt but who requires six or more prescription items in a four-month period or 16 or more items in a year will find it cheaper to buy a prepayment certificate—season ticket—for the period.

Mental Health Development Team (Reports)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many reports of development teams looking into the running of homes for the mentally handicapped have been published; and on how many occasions he is aware that reports have been leaked during the past three years.

The development team visits health and local authorities at their request to advise on their mental handicap services, and publication of its reports in the past has always been a matter for those authorities. The Department does not collect any information about the number of reports which have been published, either with or without the agreement of the authorities concerned. The hon. Member might like to know that we shall shortly be issuing a consultation document about the handling of the team's reports in future.

Mencap (Meeting)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many written requests for a meeting he has received from the secretary of MENCAP; what were the dates of these requests over the last 12 months; and if he will make a statement.

Mr. Brian Rix wrote to my right hon. Friend on 27 July, 4 August and 8 September this year requesting a meeting. I and my colleagues have met Mr. Rix, both formally and informally, on many occasions and I have recently written to him offering a further meeting on a mutually convenient date.

Mobility Allowance

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will publish the most recent criteria of eligibility for the mobility scheme and state what proportions of applicants have been accepted for mobility allowance in each of the last four years.

The criteria for eligibility for the allowance are laid down in the Social Security Act 1975 and in regulations made under it. Guidance on interpretation is available to the independent adjudicating authorities in the form of reported decisions of the Social Security Commissioners, which are available in the Library of the House. The proportion of successful claims has been as follows:

Percentage successful
198070·2
198168·1
198267·0
*198366·0
*To 28 November.

Medical Profession (Retirement)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will seek to insert in contracts of service with the medical profession, in respect of the National Health Service, first signed after 31 March 1984 a clause providing for retirement at the age of 70 years.

The normal retirement age for doctors employed by health authorities is 65. There are at the moment no upper age limits for general medical practitioners who are independent contractors to the National Health Service.

International Population Conference, Mexico

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether Her Majesty's Government have decided to establish a national preparatory committee or focal point to ensure appropriate liaison within the United Kingdom in preparation for the international population conference to be held in Mexico City in August 1984.

The Office of Population Censuses and Surveys provides a focal point for the co-ordination of inter-departmental work on population. Detailed decisions about the United Kingdom preparations for the international conference will be made in the light of the outcome of the meeting of the United Nations preparatory committee, to be held in late January 1984.

National Insurance Contributions

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many employers in Scotland did not receive contribution tables reflecting the reduction in national insurance surcharge at the appropriate time; what was the cause of the delay; what was the cost of issuing duplicate tables to all Scottish private sector employers; and if he will compensate the employers concerned for the extra administrative costs which have been caused by this delay.

On the question of delay, I refer the hon. Member to my reply to the hon. Member for Inverness, Nairn and Lochaber (Mr. Johnston) on 11 November 1983.—[Vol. 48, c. 249.]The Department does not maintain central records of employers, and, in the case of Scotland, arranges for the Inland Revenue's computer centre at East Kilbride to produce addressed labels for all Scottish employers on their mailing list—some 80,000. These address labels are used by a mailing contractor to distribute the main National Insurance contribution table, form CF391 (non-contracted-out contribution tables). Addressed labels were produced by East Kilbride and sent to the mailing contractor on 17 May 1983; but the contractor did not receive them.As explained in my reply to the hon. Member for Inverness, Nairn and Lochaber, steps were taken to remedy the problem as soon as the failure to distribute the tables became known to the Department. A publicity campaign was mounted to encourage employers to collect tables from Scottish local offices. This was seen at the time as the quickest and most economical remedy, and many employers obtained their tables in this way. However, when it later became apparent that the publicity campaign had not been a complete success, it was decided to make a full distribution of the tables. The cost of issuing tables to Scottish employers was nearly £25,000. The cost of putting extra contribution tables in Scottish local offices to cope with demands following the publicity was about £1,000.I very much regret that employers will have had to cope with some extra administrative work as a result of these delays. I fear, however, that I am not able to offer any compensation for this.

Nhs (Manpower)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the actual, for 1983–84, and estimated, for 1987–88, numbers of staff employed in the National Health Service in the following categories (a) medical and dental staff, (b) nursing staff, and (c) all other staff.

Information is not available in precisely the form required. Comprehensive manpower data are collected at 30 September each year. In addition, since December 1982, there as been a quarterly count made of non-medical manpower in the NHS. At 30 June 1983, the latest date for which data are available, there were 397,200 nursing and midwifery staff, and 391,500 other staff employed in the NHS in England. At 30 September 1982 there were 39,400 medical and dental staff. All figures are expressed as whole-time equivalents.Manpower targets for total staff numbers in each Region at March 1984 have been settled but have not been divided into staff groups. The distribution of the target across health authorities and staff groups is a matter for local decision, depending on local circumstances and priorities. No data are available for subsequent years.

Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Equipment

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he has investigated the capital and revenue costs of nuclear magnetic resonance equipment, with a view to their being used in National Health Service hospitals.

National Health Service

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will list, by reference to the changing demographic composition of the population, the figures on which he bases his calculation that a 0·7 per cent. increase per annum in National Health Service expenditure is necessary to keep pace with demographic changes.

We estimate the increased demands upon the NHS of population structure change by applying to forecasts of the population the most recently available estimates of per capita expenditure on the various services by age group. The most recent forecasts of population are those published provisionally and in summary form by the OPCS in its monitor PP3 83/1. The most recent estimates of per capita expenditure by age group were given in my hon. Friend's reply to my hon. Friend, the Member for Stirling (Mr. Forsyth) on 17 November 1983. — [Vol. 48, c. 568–70.] Our latest estimates of the demand implications of population structure change for the hospital and community health services were given in my reply to the hon. Member for Crewe and Nantwich (Mrs. Dunwoody) on 28 October 1983.— [Vol. 47, c. 240.] I emphasis that we do not accept that the only way in which the Service can keep pace with increasing demand is by increasing spending by exactly the same proportion. Better management and increased efficiency and cost-effectiveness in the use of increasing resources are essential to keep pace with demand and to make further improvements in service.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) if he will list, by reference to the changing capital and revenue expenditure on new equipment for the National Health Service, the figures on which he bases his calculation that a 0·5 per cent. increase per annum in National Health Service expenditure is necessary to keep pace with technological change in requirements for medical equipment;(2) whether, in the light of known demographic trends and technological changes, he will estimate, for each year up to 1987–88, the specific additional amounts in money and as a percentage of the National Health Service budget, that are required to keep pace with

(a) demographic changes, and (b) technological changes in requirements for medical equipment.

On the increased demographic demand on hospital and community health current services, I refer the hon. Member to my reply to the hon. Member for Crewe and Nantwich (Mrs. Dunwoody) on 28 October 1983.—[Vol. 47, c. 240.] There is no precise estimate of the extra demand on hospital services as a result of medical advance, but for planning purposes the Department has tended to assume a net allowance of about ½ per cent. a year. Further information on demography and medical advance is contained in chapter 2 of "Health Care and its Costs", a copy of which is available in the Library. I do not accept the implication of the question that the only way in which the service can keep pace with increasing demand is by increasing spending in exactly the same proportion.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what he estimates to be the current cost to the National Health Service for 1983–84, and for 1987–88, for all medical services provided for (a) retirement pensioners, (b) pensioners over 80 years of age, (c) pensioners over 85 years of age, (d) antenatal and postnatal care and (e) services for the under-fives, excluding postnatal care.

Information is not available in exactly the form requested. The Department makes estimates of hospital and community health services and general medical services, expenditure by broad age groups. The estimated breakdown of the net hospital and community health services expenditure and the general medical services expenditure for 1981–82, the latest available year, is:

1981–82 (£ million cash, to the nearest £10 million)
Net HCHS expenditureGMS expenditure
Births (antenatal, maternity and some postnatal care)54040
Children aged 0–4 (including some postnatal care)42060
Persons aged 65–741,40090
Persons aged 75 and over2,110110

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the estimated cost to the Health Service in both capital and revenue expenditure of each computerised axial tomography scanner; and how many are now operational in hospitals.

The capital cost of a computerised axial tomography scanner is between £275,000 and £550,000; annual running costs are approximately £70,000 to £90,000. Scanning facilities are available in about 90 centres in the NHS in England and Wales.

Solvent Abuse

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many fatalities related to solvent abuse, inhalation of toxic chemicals and so on among young people have been recorded since 1971 in (a) Coventry, and (b) the west midlands.

Exact figures of deaths associated with solvent abuse are not available, but since 1971 there have been two deaths in Coventry and 14 deaths elsewhere in west midlands region where solvent abuse may have been involved.

Fluoridation

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he is now in a position to make a statement on the Government's consideration of Lord Jauncey's recent judgment in the Strathclyde fluoridation case.

The Government have given careful consideration to the conclusions reached by Lord Jauncey in his detailed opinion following this lengthy court case which lasted for 201 days.Lord Jauncey considered that the addition of fluoride to the public water supply at a concentration of one part per million would be likely to reduce considerably the incidence of dental caries in the Strathclyde region and he concluded that there was no evidence that the addition of fluoride at such a concentration was harmful to health. But he took the view that Strathclyde regional council has no power to add fluoride to its water supply and no such power was included in its statutory duty under section 6(1) of the Water (Scotland) Act 1980 to provide a supply of wholesome water.Fluoridation has been supported by successive Governments as a safe and effective public health measure and we consider that Lord Jauncey's opinion amply demonstrates that the Government should continue to support fluoridation as a positive means to promote good dental health. It is therefore the Government's intention, when the parliamentary timetable permits, to bring forward legislation which will clarify the power of water authorities in Scotland to add fluoride to the water supply on the recommendation of the appropriate health boards. Lord Jauncey's judgment is not binding outside Scotland but for the avoidance of any doubt the Government propose that the legislation should also cover all statutory water undertakers in England and Wales and that corresponding legislation should be enacted for Northern Ireland. In the light of Lord Jauncey's confirmation of the safety and beneficial effect of fluoridation my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Wales and I have agreed to maintain the current indemnities in respect of fluoridation schemes in England and Wales until the legislation is enacted. In Northern Ireland indemnities are unnecessary as the water undertaker is a Government Department.

Scotland

Fluoridation

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what action he proposes to take to enable water authorities in Scotland to add fluoride to the public water supply, following the judgment in the Court of Session in June 1983 by Lord Jauncey in the case against Strathclyde regional council.

I have given careful consideration, in consultation with my colleagues, to the conclusions reached by Lord Jauncey in his detailed opinion following this lengthy court case which lasted for 201 days.Lord Jauncey considered that the addition of fluoride to the public water supply at a concentration of 1 part per million would be likely to reduce considerably the incidence of dental caries in the Strathclyde region and he concluded that there was no evidence that the addition of fluoride at such a concentration was harmful to health. But he took the view that Strathclyde regional council had no power to add fluoride to its water supply and no such power was included in its statutory duty under section 6(1) of the Water (Scotland) Act 1980 to provide a supply of wholesome water.Fluoridation has been supported by successive Governments as a safe and effective public health measure and we consider that Lord Jauncey's opinion amply demonstrates that the Government should continue to support fluoridation as a positive means to promote good dental health. It is therefore the Government's intention, when the parliamentary timetable permits, to bring forward legislation which will clarify the power of water authorities in Scotland to add fluoride to the water supply on the recommendation of the appropriate health board. My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Social Services is making a separate announcement about the position in other parts of the United Kingdom.

Licensed Premises (Exclusion Of Certain Persons) Act 1980

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many courts in Scotland have acted on the provisions of the Licensed Premises (Exclusion of Certain Persons) Act 1980 since its introduction; and if he will make a statement on the operation of the Act.

The Act came into operation on 30 June 1980. Statistics on the use of exclusion orders have been collected only since 1 January 1982. During 1982 four sheriff courts and two district courts made exclusion orders. Statistics for 1983 are not yet available.

Housing

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) how many Scottish housing authorities have submitted claims to the National Coal Board for compensation because of reduced value of housing stock resulting from mining subsidence;(2) if he will give figures, at the latest available date, to show the number of houses in Scotland with shared cold water storage tanks; and how many have undersized or sub-standard cold water storage tanks;(3) how many houses in Scotland, at the latest available date, have obsolete or defective electrical wiring;(4) how many Scottish houses which adjoin have no firewall within the roof space.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will give figures at the latest available date to show (a) how many houses in Scotland lack adequate loft insulation and how many have no loft insulation, and (b) how many houses have uninsulated cold storage tanks and loft pipes.

Information is not collected centrally, but an estimate made by a private firm — Audits of Great Britain Ltd. —on the basis of a sample survey carried out in December 1982 indicated that some 948,000 houses in Scotland with loft spaces were without loft insulation or had less than the 100m thickness which building standards regulations introduced on 28 March 1983 now require for new housing.No information is available on the number of houses lacking cold water storage tank or pipe insulation.

Dampness

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how much money has been allocated to Scottish housing authorities in each of the years 1981–82, 1982–83 and 1983–84 for the purpose of alleviating or curing dampness caused by condensation.

For the purposes of capital allocation, work which local authorities do for the purpose of remedying condensation or dampness in their houses is not normally distinguished from other work which they do. No separate figures are accordingly available.

Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Equipment

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he has investigated the capital and revenue costs of nuclear magnetic resonance equipment, with a view to its being used in National Health Service hospitals.

Where nuclear magnetic resonance equipment—NMR—is at present in use in the NHS it is employed in basic research supported, on a United Kingdom basis, by the Medical Research Council and other Government funds. It would be premature to consider the use of such equipment in a routine service role meantime.

Nhs (Expenditure)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will list, by reference to the changing demographic composition of the population, the figures on which he bases his calculation that a 0·7 per cent. increase per annum in National Health Service expenditure in Scotland is necessary to keep pace with demographic changes.

The calculation that demand on hospitals and community health services will increase annually by 0·7 per cent. as a result of demographic change is derived from projections of population by appropriate age group and the most recent available figures for per capita expenditure by age group. Together these give projections of increased demand over the next five years as follows:

YearPer cent.
1984–850·49
1985–860·83
1986–870·91
1987–880·61
1988–890·70
The average increase in demand estimated over the five years to 1988–89 is 0·7 per cent. and this if the figure used for planning purposes. It does not follow that this increase in demand can be met only by increasing expenditure provision by the same proportion.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will list, by reference to the changing capital and revenue expenditure on new equipment for the Health Service, the figures on which he bases his calculation that a 0·5 per cent. increase per annum in National Health Service expenditure in Scotland is necessary to keep pace with technological changes in requirements for medical equipment.

There is no precise basis for the estimate of extra demand on hospital service resources caused by the application of technological change to the treatment of patients but my Department assumes a figure of 0·5 per cent. annually. It does not follow that this increase in demand can be met only by increasing expenditure provision by the same proportion.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether, in the light of known demographic trends and technological changes, he will estimate, for each year up to 1987–88, the specific additional amounts in money, and as a percentage of the National Health Service budget, required to keep pace with (a) demographic changes and (b) technological changes in requirements for medical equipment in Scotland.

It is estimated that the extra demand on resources for the hospitals and community health services caused by demographic and technological change can be measured at an average of a little over 1 per cent. annually to the end of this decade. I do not accept the implication that this extra demand can be met only by a matching increase in resource provision.

Nhs (Costs)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what he estimates to be the current cost to the National Health Service for 1983–84, and for 1987–88, for all medical services provided for (a) retirement pensioners, (b) pensioners over 80 years of age, (c) pensioners over 85 years of age, (d) antenatal and postnatal care and (e) services for the under-fives, excluding postnatal care.

Information is not available for the years requested. Estimates of net recurrent expenditure on hospitals and community health services and on family practitioner services by broad age group are available for 1981–82 and are as follows:

£ million
HCHSFPS
Births (including antenatal and postnatal care)71·32·9
Children 0–449·113·7
Age 65–74198·631·9
Age 75 and over334·232·3
These estimates do not include expenditure on services funded directly by the Department.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what is the estimated cost to the Health Service in both capital and revenue expenditure of each computerised axial topography scanner; and how many are now operational in Scottish hospitals.

There are six head scanners and five whole body scanners in use in Scottish hospitals. The head scanners currently in service are no longer manufactured but at the time of purchase cost about £200,000 each; the whole body scanners cost between £350,000 to £430,000 depending on the costs of any additional features and ancillary equipment. Current prices for whole body scanners are now in the region of £275,000 to £550,000.Annual running costs are approximately £70,000 to £100,000 for each operational unit.

Hospital Closures

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many hospitals, involving how many hospital beds, have closed in the years from 1979 to 1983 in Scotland.

In the period from 1 January 1979 to 30 November 1983, health boards in Scotland have closed 20 hospitals, involving a total complement of 914 beds. In most instances the facilities which the hospitals provided have been replaced elsewhere.

These figures refer only to complete hospitals taken out of use. Figures for partial closures and cases where there has been a change in use of NHS facilities are not held centrally.