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Volume 69: debated on Tuesday 11 December 1984

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Written Answers To Questions

Tuesday 11 December 1984

Wales

River Conwy (Tunnel)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what recent changes have been made to the plans for the tunnel under the river Conwy; and if he will make a statement.

Foundation and ground water problems in the Conwy estuary have necessitated, respectively, a 60 m extension of the tunnel on the east side and the adoption of a different form of construction on the western approach to the tunnel.

Welsh Water Authority

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will publish in the Official Report the financial target for the Welsh water authority for 1985–86.

The financial target for the Welsh water authority for 1985–86 has yet to be finally agreed. Our officials are considering with the authority the proposals set out in its October submission and we expect to be able to announce the target shortly.

Scotland

Teachers (Salaries)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will make a statement about the request by Scottish teachers for an independent review of their salaries.

I have today written to the secretary of the teachers' side of the Scottish Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff in School Education in the following terms:

  • Robert Beattie Esq
  • Joint Secretary
  • Teachers' Side
  • Scottish Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff in School Education
  • 46 Moray Place
  • EDINBURGH
EH3 6BH11 December 1984
Dear Mr BeattieTEACHERS' SALARIESYou wrote to me on 14 August on behalf of the Teachers' Panel of the Scottish Joint Negotiating Committee for Teaching Staff in School Education (SJNC(SE)) to request that I establish an independent body to review the salaries of Scottish school teacher. Your letters referred only briefly to increased workload arising from recent educational developments and to annual erosion of the relative salary position of Scottish teachers; but at my invitation representatives of the Teachers' Side of the SJNC(SE) met me on 23 October to amplify their case, and I have seen also various documents published by individual teachers' associations. I have had the opportunity too of discussion with representatives of the Management Side of the SJNC(SE), and I have very recently seen an advance copy of a report prepared by a working party of the SJNC(SE) on the matter of teachers' workload. I have received also a number of representations in the matter from other organisations and individuals.I have taken careful note of all the points made. It appears to me that the case being advanced by the Teachers' Side depends essentially upon the claims (i) that the salaries of teachers have been eroded in recent years and (ii) that teachers have over the same period experienced considerable increases in workload. On pay, it is of course no part of the Government's policy that salary increases should be indexed either to the rate of inflation or to some measurement of pay increases in the economy generally. Such an approach would be inconsistent both with the determination of the Government to defeat inflation and with our general policy of seeking to limit local authority expenditure. However, pay awards to teachers over the last 10 years or so have in fact been very closely comparable with those made to other groups of local authority employees in Scotland.It has been put to me that teachers nevertheless constitute a special case, in that they have experienced substantial additions to their workload in recent years. It must, however, be borne in mind that teachers are by no means alone in having had to come to terms with new technologies and new methods of working. I recognise that new curricular developments have involved individual teachers in increased work; but I do not regard this as a permanent phenomenom and it certainly does not affect all teachers at one time. It should be remembered also that I have already made provision in rate support grant settlements for the employment of additional teachers in secondary schools and that I have agreed to a shortening of the school year in order to facilitate additional days of in-service training for teachers.In the circumstances, therefore, I am not persuaded that I should be justified in establishing an independent review of the sort requested. There is, however, another possible way to handle this. Under statute it is of course the responsibility of SJNC(SE) to determine the salaries and conditions of service of school teachers in Scotland. I should be prepared to consider or, their merits and in the framework of the Government's existing public expenditure plans for Scotland as a whole any proposals relating to pay and conditions of service together which might result from detailed examination undertaken by the SJNC(SE). I should make it plain however that, to be convincing, a review of conditions of service would have to deal specifically with areas where existing arrangements appear not to be in keeping with present-day requirements — including the definition and prescription of teachers' responsibilities in the planning; of personal teaching methods and programmes, together with the teaching, discipline and assessment of pupils and participation in schemes of personal professional development; participation in pastoral, tutorial and guidance arrangements; lunchtime and playground supervision of pupils and consultations with parents, including attendance at parents' meetings; and control by employers of time within conditioned hours when teachers are not in class contact.I fully appreciate the strong feelings of many teachers at the present time and I want to find a constructive way of responding to them. I hope that my reply will now enable us to move ahead with the exciting and progressive new developments in teaching on which we and the profession have embarked.I am sending a copy of this letter to the Management Side Joint Secretary of the SJNC(SE). I am also making its terms public by means of a Parliamentary statement and a press announcement.Yours sincerelyGeorge Younger

Homeless Young People

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what services for homeless young people are currently being funded by his Department under (a) section 10 of the Social Work (Scotland) Act, (b) section 13 of the Housing (Homeless Persons) Act and (c) the urban aid programme.

The information for 1984–85 is as follows:

£
(a) Grants are provided jointly under section 10 of the Social Work (Scotland) Act 1968 and section 13 of the Housing (Homeless Persons) Act 1977 towards the administrative costs of the following organisations:
Scottish Council for Single Homeless31,750
Scottish Women's Aid27,280
(b) Grant is provided under section 13 of the Housing (Homeless Persons) Act 1977 towards the following project:
Shelter (Scotland) Young People's Housing Project12,925
Approved capital

£
Approved current

£
(c) Urban programme funding is supporting the following projects for young homeless people:
Funding of Director for Edinburgh Council for Single Homeless Project23,420
Independent Community Homes for Young People (Glasgow)31,40064,673
Short Stay Refuge for Adolescents(Monklands)11,24387,211
Adolescent Hostel (Inverclyde)27,097
Elpis Centre (for girls) (Glasgow)29,200
In addition, the following urban programme projects provide for both young and adult homeless:

Approved capital

£
Approved current

£
Reception/Short Stay unit for single homeless (Aberdeen)37,317
Upgrading of Peoples Palace (Edinburgh)35,430
Women's Aid—second tier (Glasgow)4,4443,745
Redidential/Day care project for long term homeless women97585,788
Rehousing hostel/lodging house(Glasgow)47,149
Lodging/alcoholic counselling houses(Glasgow)15,311
Steps to Independence (Paisley)—40,900
Single homeless and alcoholic unit(Glasgow)44,806

Notes:

  • (1) The Scottish Council for Single Homeless and Scottish Women's Aid provide services for both homeless young people and adults. It is not possible to identify what proportion of the grant to those organisations is specifically for services to young people.
  • (2) Urban Programme projects sometimes incorporate specific services for other groups such as alcoholics.
  • Travel-To-Work Areas

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will publish a table showing the rank order of Scottish travel-to-work areas by unemployment rate at the latest date; and what were the corresponding figures for May 1979.

    The information requested is available in the House of Commons Library. However, the figures are not directly comparable due to the introduction of the claimant based count in October 1982 and the redefinition of the travel-to-work areas in September 1984.

    Housing Support Grant (Dundee)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the value of housing support grant made available to Dundee district council in each year since 1980–81; and what are these figures expressed at constant prices.

    The information is given in the following table:

    At 1983–84 average prices*
    ££
    1980–818,598,80910,531,303
    1981–825,285,8795,886,280
    1982–831,820,1681,900,562
    1983–84
    1984–85
    * Using GDP deflators.

    Local Authority Services (Dundee)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what has been the expenditure on services in Dundee district in each year since 1980–81 at constant prices; and what are these figures expressed per head of population.

    Figures for total expenditure and expenditure per head of population by Dundee district council, excluding loan charges, on services relevant for rate support grant since 1980–81 are as follows. Figures have been expressed at November 1983 prices.

    Total Expenditure (£ million)Expenditure per head (£)
    1980–8112,86068·14
    1981–8212,54767·60
    1982–8311,62763·42
    1983–8411,55263·91
    1984–85*12,59869·70
    * Budget Estimate.

    Homes Insulation

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will publish in the Official Report figures showing the percentage of homes in Scotland that have a loft or have access to a loft, but which have no loft insulation, or which have loft insulation less than the 100 mm minimum included in all new properties; and if he will break the figures down into owner-occupied, local authority and other tenures.

    Estimates are available of loft insulation in dwellings in Scotland with access to the loft and are given in the following table:

    All Homes per cent.Council Homes per cent.
    Proportion of households with access to loft:—
    a. Without loft insulation or not known2525
    b. With loft insulation less than 100 mm thick5862
    c. With loft insulation 100 mm or thicker1713

    Source: Survey conducted by Audits of Great Britain.

    School Meals

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what is the total figure of free school meal receipts for Scotland, and for Lothian as a region.

    The number of pupils receiving free school meals on the day of the 1984 school meals census, held in January, is as follows:

    Number
    Scotland129,335
    Lothian12,413

    Prime Minister

    Hms Conqueror (Log Book)

    Q11.

    asked the Prime Minister if the board of inquiry into the circumstances of the disappearance of the log book from HMS Conqueror has yet reported; and if she will make a statement.

    My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Defence made a statement on this matter on 30 November.

    Regional Aid

    Q30.

    asked the Prime Minister whether she is satisfied with the co-ordination of the Scottish Office, the Department of Trade and Industry and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office over the review of regional aid.

    Yes. Full account has been taken of all European Community considerations.

    Studet Grants

    Q53.

    asked the Prime Minister if she will make a statement about student grants and the representations she has received on student grants.

    I refer the hon. Member to the statement on the 1985–86 grant proposals made on 5 December 1984 at column 360–61 by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Education and Science. I have received about 30,000 representations on the proposals.

    Rail Travel (Official Business)

    Q73.

    asked the Prime Minister if she will give the last three occasions for the period ended 26 November when she travelled on official business by British Rail.

    Israel

    Q95.

    asked the Prime Minister whether, following the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affair's visit to Israel, invitations have now been formally extended to Mr. Shimon Peres and Mr. Yitzhak Shamir to make official visits to the United Kingdom in 1985; and whether any dates have yet been fixed.

    During the visit to Israel of my right hon. and learned Friend the Foreign and Commonwealth Secretary, Mr. Shamir and Mr. Peres accepted invitations to make official visits to Britain. No dates have yet been arranged.

    Common Agricultural Policy

    Q103.

    asked the Prime Minister what specific changes in the common agricultural policy Her Majesty's Government intend to propose during the next three years.

    We shall continue to press the need for sustained price restraint as the best means of containing CAP costs and bringing about a better balance between supply and demand. We shall press for the effective application of the financial guideline for agriculture. At the same time we are determined to ensure that the measures taken should not discriminate against United Kingdom interests.

    Job Creation

    Q112.

    asked the Prime Minister what assessment Her Majesty's Government have made of the relative effects of marginal changes in (a) income tax thresholds and (b) the employers' national insurance contribution upon job creation.

    Any quantitative assessment would depend upon assumptions about other developments in the economy. But to the extent that income tax thresholds could be raised or employers' national insurance contributions reduced within the context of the medium term financial strategy, both could be expected to have a beneficial effect on job creation.

    Engagements

    asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 December.

    asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for 11 December.

    asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 December.

    asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 11 December.

    This morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others. In addition to my duties in the House I shall be having further meetings later today. This evening I hope to have an audience of Her Majesty the Queen.

    Ethiopia

    asked the Prime Minister if she will make it the policy of Her Majesty's Government to increase the funds they provide for famine relief in Ethiopia by a sum equivalent to the estimated value added tax revenue received from sales of the record recently released by Band Aid in support of the famine victims; and if she will make a statement.

    I welcome the initiative shown by those involved in the production of this record. I believe, however, that the Government have already responded quickly and effectively to the famine in Ethiopia.In addition to the £15 million of aid given to Ethiopia over the past two years, £11·4 million is being given for famine relief. Moreover, the Overseas Development Administration has made it clear that it will continue to respond sympathetically to appeals for the drought-stricken countries, including Ethiopia.

    Home Department

    Metropolitan Police (Dogs)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department why the use of dogs by the Metropolitan Police on the streets of central London is increasing.

    The Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis tells me that police dogs and their handlers have been added to street patrols to provide increased public protection over the Christmas period.

    Lion Intoximeter 3000

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will make a statement concerning the planned use of the Lion Intoximeter 3000 breathalyser machine during the Christmas holiday period.

    The Lion Intoximeter and the Camic breath analyser testing machines will be in use in police stations during the Christmas holiday period on the same basis as at other times of year. The non-statutory blood/ urine option introduced on 16 April will continue to be available over the period.

    Citizenship

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many applications for citizenship were under consideration at the end of November; and how this compares with figures in each of the past five years.

    The number of applications for citizenship under consideration at the end of November 1984 and in the five preceding years was:—

    Number
    197945,651
    198053,579
    198166,208
    198265,541
    198377,844
    198436,707

    Members' Communications (Interception)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether there has been any change in the Government's policy towards the interception of the communications of Members of Parliament.

    No. As my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister reaffirmed in a written answer on 6 February 1980 at column 244 the policy remains as stated in 1966 by the then Prime Minister, the Lord Wilson of Rievaulx at column 634–41, and as applied by successive Governments since then. In answers to Questions on 17 November 1966, Lord Wilson said that he had given instructions that there was to be no tapping of the telephones of Members of Parliament; that remained the policy of the Government, and that, if there was a development which required a change in the general policy, he would, at such moment as seemed compatible with the security of the country, on his own initiative make a statement in the House about it. The Government regard this undertaking as applying to both postal and telephone interception.

    Transport

    Transport Supplementary Grant Settlement

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether he has made the 1985–86 transport supplementary grant settlement; and if he will make a statement.

    The 1985–86 transport supplementary grant settlement is set out in the "Rate Support Grant Report (England) 1985/86" which is made to the House today.This transport supplementary grant settlement is the first to be made under the new arrangements which I announced on 16 October in circular 3/84. These were approved by Parliament on 27 November. Only capital expenditure on highways and the regulations of traffic is now eligible for TSG.I have decided to accept the TSG a total of £320 million. The total amount of grant will be £160 million, to be paid at a rate of 50 per cent. on all accepted expenditure.In considering the highways capital programmes of the GLC and the county councils in the transport policies and programmes which they submitted to the Department in the summer I have taken into account the extent to which their estimated expenditure on major road schemes related to roads of more than local importance. In particular I considered the extent to which the expenditure would improve the primary route network of important through routes, would improve major urban roads which carry heavy long-distance traffic, or would relieve communities of the effects of heavy through traffic. For this settlement, however, I have also continued to accept expenditure on highways schemes which were named as future commitments in previous years and which have already started, as in paragraph 10 of circular 3/84, even where they do not meet these criteria. The amount of estimated expenditure for each council is shown in annex P to the rate support grant report. Councils are being informed individually today of their own figures.These accepted capital programmes include 289 major road schemes, 214 already in progress or due to start in 1984–85 and a further 75 due to start in 1985–86. Of these schemes 169 are bypasses or relief roads and a further 76 are other improvements to the primary route network.The amount of expenditure accepted for TSG is not intended to cover the whole of each council's capital highways programme. With the resources available to them, councils should be able to carry out additional works to improve their roads.

    We shall pay 50 per cent. specific grants in support of expenditure for investment in public transport facilities on 11 projects which were previously supported through TSG.

    Because TSG forms part of aggregate Exchequer grant, the new TSG arrangements mean an increase in block grant. How the extra block grant is allocated between authorities depends on their GREs, targets and the block grant mechanisms. The associations were consulted about the new transport GREs introduced as a consequence of the TSG changes.

    Seafarers (Health And Safety)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what were the numbers of inspections of United Kingdom registered vessels by the Department's inspectorate for each of the years since 1978; what were the numbers of prosecutions for statutory infringements of occupational health and safety regulations that followed; what was the nature of the infringements for which prosecutions were mounted; what penalties were imposed; and if he will make a statement.

    The numbers of inspections of United Kingdom registered merchant vessels are as follows:

    Number
    1978729
    1979580
    1980993
    19811,020
    1982744
    1983543
    1984*532
    *To 5th December.
    Five prosecutions connected directly with occupational health and safety legislation have been brought under the Means of Access Regulations 1981. Two cases are yet to be concluded; in the other three cases fines of £100 and £1,600 were imposed.In addition, many warnings have been given leading to appropriate improvements short of requiring prosecution. Statistics on these are not available other than at disproportionate costs.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport which section of his Department is responsible for the occupational health and safety of seafarers; what is the total staff of that section; and what were the comparable figures in each of the financial years since 1978–79.

    The responsibility for enforcement lies with marine surveyors attached to the eight district marine offices, in each of which a principal marine surveyor is nominated with responsibility for occupational health and safety matters.Responsibility for the occupational health and safety of seafarers is co-ordinated within my Department by a section which was staffed by three officers between 1978 and 1982; since then their numbers have been increased by one. A number of other sections regularly provide particular expertise and professional advice.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what training is given to his Department's inspectors responsible for carrying out the Departmental duties in respect of occupational health and safety matters of seafarers; and if he will make a statement.

    My Department's marine surveyors are responsible For dealing with the safety of seafarers and ships in general, and matters connected with the occupational health and safety of seafarers are an important aspect of their responsibilities. Most of them have served at sea and have first-hand knowledge of these matters. They join the Marine Survey Service highly qualified and the training they receive is therefore broadly based, but it does cover their duties in respect of occupational health and safety matters of seafarers.

    Driving Test Centre, Basildon

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what plans he has to institute a driving test centre in Basildon.

    None at present, but I shall be writing to my hon. Friend in answer to his recent letter on this matter.

    Trucks (Wheel Nuts)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will make a statement on the incidence of accidents caused by wheel nut loosening on trucks.

    The number of reports of wheel detachment that we have received over the last few years is as follows:

    Number
    19806
    198111
    198221
    198310
    The 10 detachment incidents reported in 1983 caused four accidents and one injury.

    Brazil (Landing Facilities)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what discussions he has had with the Brazilian Government for the provision of landing facilities for civil aircraft servicing the Falkland Islands.

    Shipping Movements

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what is the number of movements per annum at United Kingdom ports by merchant trading vessels over 500 gross registered tonnes in the following categories; and whether these are United Kingdom or non-United Kingdom flag: (a) ferries, (b) coastal shipping, (c) one-port traffic, namely, offshore supplies and (d) international, non-ferry.

    Information on ship movements in the detail requested is not collected centrally. In 1983, arrivals in the United Kingdom of all shipping, excluding yachts, from foreign ports (outside the Republic of Ireland, Channel Islands and Isle of Man) numbered 41,000 for United Kingdom registered ships and 54,000 for non-United Kingdom registered ships.

    Road Accident Statistics

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport how many people were successfully prosecuted in respect of accidents classified as hit and run in 1980, 1981, 1982 and 1983.

    I have been asked to reply.The readily available information relates to the number of findings of guilt at magistrates' courts for the offences of failing to stop after an accident and of failing to report an accident within 24 hours and is published annually in "Offences Relating to Motor Vehicles, England and Wales, Supplementary Tables" (table 5 of the issue for 1983). A copy of this publication is in the Library of the House.

    Energy

    Electricity Generation (Pollution)

    asked the Secretary of State for Energy how much of the 5 per cent. increase in electricity bills referred to on page 24 of the Government's reply to the fourth report from the Environment Committee (Cmnd. 9397) he expects to be incurred in the first year and each of the subsequent years by consumers, as a percentage of their electricity bill, if the Government were to meet the European Economic Community draft directive on sulphur dioxide pollution which proposes a 60 per cent. reduction by 1995.

    The detailed figures are a matter for the Central Electricty Generating Board and I am asking the chairman to write to the right hon. Member.

    Defence

    Statements Of Service

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will in future when supplying statements of service to former Army personnel refrain from entering service in Northern Ireland under service in foreign countries.

    No such change of practice is needed, since service in Northern Ireland should not appear in the statements of Army service provided by my Department under the heading of service in foreign countries. My noble Friend the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Armed Forces is writing to the right hon. Member.

    Coal Industry Dispute

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the estimated cost to his Department of assistance given to the police in connection with the miners' strike.

    62.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will advise service men not to become involved in the miners' dispute while off duty.

    I do not believe that there is any necessity for general advice to be issued at the present time.There has, to our knowledge, been only one case of a service man becoming involved in this dispute whilst off duty, which was the one referred to in the answer that my hon. Friend the Minister of State, Home Office gave to my hon. Friend on 16 November.

    Missiles And Aircraft (Dual Capability)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what consideration is being given by Her Majesty's Government to battle plans involving dual-capable missiles and aircraft.

    Dual capable weapons systems have been an integral part of both NATO and Warsaw pact forces for many years.

    Royal Ordnance Factories

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will meet trade union representatives to discuss redundancies at royal ordnance factories.

    My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Defence and I met representatives of the industrial and non-industrial trades unions on 1 November, and we have subsequently corresponded with them on the question of the reductions in the royal ordnance factories. If the trades unions have further points to raise, I have no doubt that a further meeting could be arranged.

    27.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what recent discussions he has had with trade union representatives of the royal ordnance factories concerning redundancies.

    My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Defence and I met representatives of the industrial and non-industrial trades unions on 1 November.

    34.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement concerning ammunition manufacture at royal ordnance factories.

    The ammunition division of the royal ordnance factories comprises the factories at Birtley, Blackburn, Chorley, Glascoed and Patricroft together with the agency factory at Featherstone; in addition small arms ammunition is manufactured at Radway Green in the small arms division. These factories produce a range of high quality munitions and the Government wish to see them successful in their new commercial environment. However, the current order position has necessitated the declaration of redundancies at certain of these factories although the extent of these has been reduced by the recent placing of further orders by the Ministry of Defence.

    Nato Ministerial Meetings

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if the communiqué issued after each North Atlantic Treaty Organisation ministerial meeting refers only to agenda items which do not carry security classifications.

    No, but it is the usual practice in NATO to provide communiqués in an unclassified form about discussions which are classified themselves.

    26.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will, in future, make a statement to the House prior to North Atlantic Treaty Organisation ministerial meetings.

    61.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will in future make a statement to the House prior to North Atlantic Treaty Organisation ministerial meetings.

    65.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will, in future make a statement to the House prior to North Atlantic Treaty Organisation ministerial meetings.

    33.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he attended the December meeting of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation defence ministers; and if he will make a statement outlining the main decisions reached.

    I met other NATO Defence Ministers in Brussels between 3 and 5 December. We had valuable discussions on a wide range of subjects. Details are set out in the communiqués of the Eurogroup and of the defence planning committee. I have arranged for copies to be placed in the House of Commons Library.

    Army Detention Centres

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will list the detention centres used by the British Army; and what is the present number of service men being held at such centres.

    Sentences of military detention are served either at the military corrective training centre, Colchester or in Army unit guardrooms, depending on the length of the sentence. The position on 30 November was that 109 Army personnel were in detention in the military corrective training centre and 131 in unit guardrooms.

    Tidworth Army Depot (Custody Statistics)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will list the number of service men at present being held in custody at Tidworth Army depot, and the period of time men have been held there without being charged with an offence.

    The position on 30 November 1984 was that two soldiers were being held at Tidworth garrison, both of whom were charged within 48 hours of being placed in arrest.

    Service Personnel (Custody)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the number of (a) service men and (b) service women at present being held in custody by the British Army in the United Kingdom.

    The position on 30 November 1984 was that 46 service men and no service women were being held in custody (as distinct from detention) in Army unit guardrooms in the United Kingdom while under investigation or awaiting trial or confirmation of sentence.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the period of time a member of the British Army can be held in custody by the Army before being charged with an offence.

    Army personnel would normally be informed by their commanding officer of the charge on which they are being held by no later than 48 hours from the time of being taken into custody. If in exceptional circumstances they cannot be informed within 48 hours, a report has to be submitted to the superior military authority explaining the delay.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will list the rights of service men to consult solicitors if they are being held in detention by the British Army.

    A service man being held in custody by the Army has the following rights of consultation with a solicitor.

  • (a) he may name a solicitor as the person he wishes to be informed by the Army of his arrest and the place where he is being held.
  • (b) provided that the investigation or prevention of crime, the apprehension of offenders or military operations, safety and security would not be unreasonably hindered, he may Telephone a solicitor at his own expense or receive telephone calls from him at reasonable times.
  • (c) with the commanding officer's permission he may be visited by a solicitor.
  • Information Services

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will publish a breakdown of the cost to his Department in the last financial year of the provision of presentations comprising information films, lectures and exhibitions to selected groups and to the public in general.

    Ministers, service officers and officials regularly give public presentations and lectures on a wide range of defence issues. It is not possible to assess the cost of such presentations without disproportionate effort. In 1983–84 the cost of service recruiting and public relations films and exhibitions amounted to about £2·5 million. The cost of the RN and RAF presentation teams amounted to about £0·5 million, including manpower costs.

    64.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the annual cost of his Department's information service.

    The cost of defence public relations worldwide amounted to some £6·2 million in 1983–84. This figure includes expenditure on public relations activities together with staff and related costs.

    Ulster Defence Regiment

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give details of the military equipment of the Ulster Defence Regiment, and its Reserve, listing separately firearms and the type of firearms, motor vehicles, armoured vehicles and type and number of radio, radar and electronics surveillance equipment with which the regiment is equipped today and in each year since its inception.

    The information is not maintained in the foam requested. However, the current establishment of weapons and vehicles for the Ulster Defence Regiment is as follows:

    Number
    ·22 Rifles222
    9mm Pistol642
    9mm SMG110
    7·62mm SLR8,409
    Number
    GPMG/LMG184
    Landrovers249
    Recruiting Trailer1
    Trailers61
    4 Ton Trucks10
    Other vehicles228
    Other equipment can be issued when commitments or circumstances dictate. The radio allocation varies from week to week, dependent upon the tasks and commitments of each battalion.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will state the percentages of Catholics and Protestants who have served in the Ulster Defence Regiment for each year since the regiment's inception.

    I refer the hon. Member to my answer to his question of 13 March this year, at column 129. The position has not changed since then. Information for earlier years is not available.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many regular officers are currently attached to the Ulster Defence Regiment.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many regular soldiers are currently attached to the Ulster Defence Regiment.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement concerning the current morale of the Ulster Defence Regiment.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he has any plans to change the role of the Ulster Defence Regiment.

    No. The Ulster Defence Regiment will continue to play a full part in the Army's overall effort in support of the RUC in Northern Ireland.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many members of the Ulster Defence

    Financial yearWages/salaries

    £ million
    Construction/buildings

    £ million
    Equipment

    £ million
    Support costs

    £million
    Total

    £ million
    1971–720·90·11·0
    1972–732·32·50·35·1
    1973–746·01·40·20·48·0
    1974–756·41·40·60·38·7
    1975–766·880·430·427·73
    1976–7710·630·210·310·5811·73
    1977–7813·010·420·920·7815·13
    1978–7915·070·310·880·8517·11
    1979–8020·040·051·031·1222·24
    1980–8124·771·101·2627·13
    1981–8233·20·91·235·3
    1982–8333·11·101·735·9
    1983–8436·11·21·839·1

    Regiment have been killed or maimed this year whilst carrying out their duties; how many were off duty; and how many were full-time and part-time, respectively.

    Up to 30 November, 10 soldiers have been killed, of whom two were on duty and eight were off duty, and one was full-time and nine part-time. Nine soldiers have been injured, of whom four were on duty and five were off duty, and three were full-time and six were part-time.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many members of the Ulster Defence Regiment, and its Reserve, since its inception have been found to be members of illegal paramilitary organisations or, separately, legal paramilitary organisations such as the Ulster Defence Association or the Third Force.

    The information is not maintained in the form requested, but during the last five years — the only period for which information is available—there are no records of serving members of the UDR being convicted of membership of any organisation proscribed under the Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act 1978.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the current policy concerning the possession of firearms at their domiciles by members of the Ulster Defence Regiment and its Reserve.

    UDR personnel who are under threat can be issued with a personal protection weapon on the authority of the commander UDR. All applications for PPWs are subject to rigorous scrutiny. If the UDR member issued with a PPW leaves Northern Ireland or is absent from home for over 24 hours the weapon has to be returned. In addition, UDR personnel may apply to the RUC for a private firearms certificate in the same way as any other resident of Northern Ireland.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give details of the costs of the Ulster Defence Regiment, and its Reserve, divided between wages and salaries, other personnel costs, costs of construction and buildings, investment in military equipment and other costs for each year since the regiment's inception.

    The above figures are those which appeared in the Estimates for each financial year. Figures for 1984–85 are not yet available, and those prior to 1971–72 were not separately identified.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement concerning current policy and practice of deployment of the Ulster Defence Regiment, and its Reserve, with particular reference to the areas and circumstances in which it is, and is not, deployed.

    The UDR, both permanent cadre and part time, are deployed in support of the RUC across almost all areas of Northern Ireland, although they are not used on crowd control or riot duties in cities.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many persons have been killed by the Ulster Defence Regiment operatives on duty in Northern Ireland to date; how many of those fatalities were of civilians unconnected with terrorist organisations; and how many victims there were for whom no mandate of arrest existed.

    Since the formation of the regiment, six civilians have died as a result of action by members of the UDR in the course of their duty. It is not possible to say for certain how many of these were or were not connected with terrorist organisations.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give details of the manpower strength

    (Figures as at 31 December)
    1974197519761977197819791980198119821983
    Lieutenant Colonel3211334324
    Major78828383858987888677
    Captain123144148153142130126125112114
    Lieutenant7210110789899712311310096
    2nd Lieutenant124705964867444433237
    Warrant Officer 1122112
    Warrant Officer 2113112114114132133134138139138
    Staff Sergeant155178185193187168182172162170
    Sergeant251273251260321349358345336336
    Corporal753761733698787766744707692655
    Lance Corporal867879870887924939916868829795
    Private4,6524,5864,4414,5854,2743,9804,0014,0723,8513,795
    Female other ranks204603622684730695712676685712
    Total7,3967,7937,6167,8127,7617,4257,4317,3507,0266,929
    The figures for other ranks do not include females, which are shown separately.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many members of the Ulster Defence Regiment, and its Reserve, were former members of the B Specials at the time of the regiment's inception; and what is the number today.

    The information is not available in the form requested, though on grounds of age alone some two thirds of those now serving in the regiment would have been too young to serve in the B Specials.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give details of the number of operatives by rank, separately, of those who have joined the Ulster Defence Regiment and its Reserve, and of those who have resigned from the Ulster Defence Regiment, and its Reserve, in each year since its inception.

    of the Ulster Defence Regiment, and its Reserve, as between full-time and part-time, male and female operatives for each year since its inception.

    These details are given in the following table:

    (figures as at 31 March).
    Part time timeFull time
    MaleFemaleMaleFemaleTotal
    19702,243492,292
    19713,8802344,114
    19728,1176458,762
    19737,4448338,277
    19746,48445085187,793
    19755,6355921,414137,654
    19765,6185961,505197,738
    19775,3326191,662317,644
    19785,0396312,113797,862
    19794,5565982,3461237,623
    19804,6275522,4161387,373
    19814,1595822,5801587,479
    19823,8934982,5611787,130
    19833,7985442,6011927,135
    19843,5635312,4832006,777

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give details of the strength of the Ulster Defence Regiment, and its Reserve, by rank of serving operative for each year since the regiment's inception.

    The information is not available in the form requested. However, figures for those who have joined the UDR and who have left the UDR, for reasons other than medical or disciplinary or on death, are as follows:

    IntakeOutflow
    OfficersOther ranksOfficersOther ranks
    1975–76591,634381,214
    1976–77371,691361,191
    1977–78551,931541,301
    1978–79641,731431,515
    1979–80341,331401,236
    1980–81391,509381,105
    1981–82261,211511,207
    1982–83261,488471,114
    1983–8436966301,076
    Figures prior to 1975 are not available.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give details of the average time served in the Ulster Defence Regiment, and its Reserve, by current operatives for each year since the regiment's inception for each group of (a) non-commissioned officers, (b) commissioned officers and (c) other ranks.

    My noble Friend the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Armed Forces will write to the hon. Member.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the procedure for vetting existing and new applicants for membership of the Ulster Defence Regiment, and its Reserve, to ensure that the membership of the regiment is consistent with standards of maximising its acceptability to both communities in Northern Ireland.

    It is not our practice to disclose details of our procedures for vetting applicants to join the armed forces; however, I am satisfied that they provide thorough safeguards.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give details of the number of persons who have been asked to resign from the Ulster Defence Regiment, and its Reserve, in each year since its inception, indicating those who have been charged with crimes, giving separately details of persons who resigned as a result of being charged with scheduled offences.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what steps he is taking to ensure that the number of seconded regular officers and men in the Ulster Defence Regiment is sufficient to prevent sectarian activity by members of that regiment; and if he will indicate how he measures the efficacy of such steps.

    I am satisfied that the current balance between personnel from the regular Army and locally recruited personnel is the best one to ensure the effective operation of the regiment. There are no plans to change that balance, which has worked very well.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the role of the Ulster Defence Regiment within Her Majesty's Government's overall policy of promoting a peaceful settlement to the troubles in Ulster.

    The UDR makes an important contribution to the overall security forces effort. In many cases it has helped the RUC to bring terrorist criminals to justice, and this in turn has contributed to the Government's overall aim of promoting peace and political stability in Northern Ireland.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will list the steps he is taking to ensure that the Ulster Defence Regiment enjoys the support of the majority of each sector of political opinion in Northern Ireland; and if he will indicate how he measures the efficacy of such steps in each sector.

    The Government are always sensitive to the need to ensure that all elements of the security forces enjoy the support of all sections of the community. In training soldiers for the UDR the Army makes every effort to instil the highest possible standards of impartiality and politeness of their dealings with members of the public, irrespective of political or religious affiliation.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give details of the number of members of the Ulster Defence Regiment, and its reserve, for each year since the regiment's inception, who have been charged with offences in criminal courts and who have been convicted of offences, giving details of custodial sentences imposed, and separately for charges and convictions concerning murder, attempted murder, membership of illegal organisations, conspiracy to cause explosions, withholding information concerning terrorist activity, possession of explosives, possession of explosives with intent to cause bodily harm, possession of firearms, possession of firearms with intent to cause bodily harm and other offences classified as schedule offences; and if he will specify whether those convicted have served their sentence either in any of the six counties of Northern Ireland or on mainland Britain.

    The information is not available in the form requested. However, since the formation of the UDR the following numbers of serving soldiers have been convicted of offences:

    • — eight with murder.
    • — six with manslaughter.
    • — eighty with assault.
    The great majority of these offences were of a domestic nature. In addition, it is known that the following numbers of soldiers have been charged with serious offences since May 1983:

    • — three with possession of firearms.
    • — two with bomb hoaxes.
    • — one with making petrol bombs.
    • — one with arson.
    • — one with drunk in charge of firearms.

    Jp 233 Airfield Attack Weapon System

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence when he expects the RAF to start taking delivery of the JP 233 airfield attack weapon system; what is the total value of the contract; and when it is expected to be completed.

    Deliveries of JP 233 to the RAF are planned to begin early next year and be complete by the end of 1988. The contract value cannot be stated for reasons of commercial confidentiality: contractual negotiations for fixed prices are still in progress.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what steps he is taking to encourage the United States Government to purchase the JP 233 airfield attack weapon system or to arrange for its production under licence in the United States of America.

    Since the United States withdrew from a joint United Kingdom-United States development programme for JP 233 in 1981, Hunting Engineering Ltd. the prime contractor, has been fully supported by the Ministry of Defence in the marketing of the JP 233 weapon system in America.It remains uncertain whether the United States air force will procure the complete JP 233 system. However, there is serious interest at the sub-system level.The MOD will continue to assist Hunting Engineering and the other United Kingdom contractors involved in the programme in the promotion of the JP 233.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what steps are being taken to exploit the export potential of the JP 233 airfield attack weapon system.

    I refer the hon. Member to the reply I have given to his earlier question as regards exploitation of the weapon in the United States. My Ministry has also given the manufacturer approval and encouragement to promote sales to a number of other countries.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many jobs in the United Kingdom are estimated to be involved in the production of the JP 233 airfield attack weapon system.

    At peak production levels the project is expected to provide direct employment for about 4,000 people in the United Kingdom.

    Northern Europe Tracking Station

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the planned location and function of the Northern Europe tracking station which the United States air force plans to establish in the United Kingdom.

    The proposed Northern Europe tracking station would be part of a modernisation of the United States worldwide satellite tracking network. As the House was informed on 28 June, we have already approved one joint Anglo-American project to establish a communications antenna at RAE Oakhangar, to enhance the existing co-operation between ourselves and the United States in the field of satellite communications, in particular in support of the Skynet 4 satellite project and the space shuttle. The possibility of a second Anglo-American project to establish a further tracking dish at Oakhangar is still under consideration.

    Military Helicopters (Nap-Of-The-Earth Flying Areas)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will list those areas in the United Kingdom which are designated specially for nap-of-the-earth flying by Army or Marines' helicopters; and whether any consultations took place with local authorities over the designation of these areas.

    I assume that by "nap-of-the-earth" flying the right hon. Member is referring to low flying. All of the United Kingdom may be used by Army and Royal Marines helicopters for low flying subject to the usual restrictions. Consultations with local authorities are, therefore, not appropriate.

    Submarine Exercises

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether the coastguard is informed of the timing and location of British and American submarine exercises in British coastal waters.

    No. For reasons of operational security, it has long been Ministry of Defence policy not to disclose Royal Navy submarine movements nor to comment on foreign submarine activity. However, areas around the United Kingdom where submarines of the Royal Navy or of NATO nations exercise regularly are marked on Admiralty charts.

    Underwater Test And Evaluation Centre (Contracts)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will list those companies which have been awarded contracts by his Department for work related to the British underwater test and evaluation centre.

    The following companies are currently providing services for the operation and maintenance of the BUTEC facility at Kyle of Lochalsh:

    • RCA Limited, Sunbury on Thames, Middlesex,
    • Thorn EMI Electronics Limited, Woking, Surrey,
    • Bond Helos, Aberdeen.
    In addition, the following companies have current contracts for support, repair and design-development services and the supply of equipment to be used at the facility:

    • RCA Limited, Sunbury on Thames, Middlesex,
    • Thorn EMI Electronics Limited, Woking, Surrey,
    • Easams Limited, Frimley, Surrey,
    • CAP Scientific Limited, Holborn, London,
    • dB Instrumentation Limited, Aldershot, Hants,
    • Waverley Electronics Limited, Weymouth, Dorset,
    • Offshore Environmental Systems Limited, Farnham, Surrey,
    • Slingsby Engineering Limited, Kirkbymoorside, Yorks,
    • STC Limited, Greenwich, London,
    • Alluvial Mine and Shaft Sinking Company, Basildon, Essex,
    • Techmation, Edgware, London,
    • Price and Edward Limited, West Drayton, Middlesex.

    Approximately 250 local purchase orders have also been placed during the same period by the responsible technical branch at Portland.

    Military Aircraft (Minimum Operating Height)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence when the minimum operating height for military aircraft in the Highlands restricted area was lowered from 360 ft to 200 ft; and what consultations took place with local authorities when this occurred.

    The Highlands restricted area was established in October 1981 to allow practice in the use of terrain—following radar. All the local authorities concerned were informed. To date, flying in the HRA has generally been above the 250 ft minimum that normally applies to military low flying in the United Kingdom.

    Gruinard Island

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what progress has been made with tests on Gruinard Island to investigate the feasibility of decontaminating the island.

    Possible methods of decontaminating affected areas of Gruinard Island, including the question of potential effectiveness and cost, remain under careful review. A further visit was made to the island in July 1984 and initial analysis of the date obtained supports previous encouraging results. However, further work is required before a decision on decontamination can be considered and it is not yet possible to say when that will be.

    Jet Provost (Replacement)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make it his policy that his choice of the replacement for the Jet Provost is the one which in the opinion of the Royal Air Force is the best choice on technical and operational merit.

    In reaching a decision on a new trainer aircraft, major considerations will be value for money as well as the ability of the aircraft to meet the technical and operational requirements of the Royal Air Force. Other issues which will be taken into account will include job opportunities in the United Kingdom, overseas sales prospects and international relations.

    37.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what recent representations he has received about the choice of a replacement basic trainer aircraft for the Royal Air Force.

    In October and November my right hon. Friend and I received 24 letters from hon. Members, many of which forwarded correspondence from constituents and interested parties, and six letters from industrialists and trades unionists. In that period, hon. Members also asked seven questions on this subject, and two questions have been answered in another place.

    Tornado Project

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what sum of money he envisages Her Majesty's Government will have to pay to the Government of the Federal Republic of Germany in compensation for the imbalance which has occurred in the work-sharing on the Tornado project; if this sum will be paid in cash or in some other form; and if he will make a statement.

    The most recently published estimate of United Kingdom under-payments against her cost liability is approximately £250 million. If this imbalance continues to the end of the programme, it may be necessary for a cash payment to be made. However, means of reducing the imbalance such as the possibility of work transfers to the United Kingdom are kept under regular review and will be implemented wherever practicable.

    41.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement concerning export prospects for the Tornado aeroplane.

    British Aerospace is currently pursuing several export prospects for the Tornado, with strong Government support, which we hope will prove successful.

    Marconi Radar

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the problems encountered with the Marconi radar intended for the Nimrod ink. III aircraft; and when he expects them to be overcome.

    I have nothing to add to the reply I gave to the hon. Member for Liverpool, West Derby (Mr. Wareing) on 29 October, at column 854.

    Air Defence Network

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the current effectiveness of the United Kingdom air defence network.

    I refer the hon. Member to paragraphs 409–412 of the "Statement on the Defence Estimates 1984".

    As my right hon. Friend the Minister of State for Defence Procurement said on 29 October, at column 854, it is taking longer than originally anticipated to commission the Nimrod airborne early-warning aircraft.

    Trident Missile

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement concerning the offset agreements with the United States of America on the Trident programme.

    There is no offset agreement. Given the strategic nature of the project, there was no question of guaranteeing United Kingdom industry a specific proportion of the work. The industrial participation arrangements negotiated when the UK decided to purchase the Trident II missile do, however, permit United Kingdom industry to compete for Trident II subcontracts, in support of both United States and United Kingdom requirements, on equal terms with their United States counterparts.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many British firms have made bids for component work on the Trident programme.

    Up to the end of June 1984, the last period for which we have data, 107 United Kingdom firms had been invited to bid for contracts on the United States Trident II programme. Of these, only 37 made bids.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many contracts have been won by United Kingdom companies and which contracts for component work on the Trident programme; and what is the estimated value of these contracts collectively and individually.

    Twenty six contracts on the United States Trident II programme have been placed with 21 United Kingdom firms for a wide variety of products ranging from those requiring basic engineering skills to those incorporating high technology. The estimated total value of these contracts is just over $14 million. Many of the contracts are for initial quantities with potential follow-on orders. It is not the practice to give details of individual contracts.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give details of the number and value of orders secured by United Kingdom contractors for the Trident II missile system and the percentage of total orders coming to the United Kingdom to date.

    I refer the hon. Member to the answer given earlier today to the hon. Member for Kingston Upon Hull, North (Mr. McNamara). Information on the percentage of total orders coming to the United Kingdom is not available.

    50.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what are the estimated annual running costs, as opposed to the procurement costs, of the Trident system.

    30.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what are the estimated annual running costs, as opposed to the procurement costs, of the Trident system.

    I have nothing to add to the answer that I gave to the hon. Members for Bolsover (Mr. Skinner) and for Jarrow (Mr. Dixon) on 24 July at column 807.

    31.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give the latest estimate of the cost of the Trident missile system.

    43.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he is yet able to announce a revised cost for the Trident programme.

    46.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the current cost of the Trident programme; and what estimate he now makes of the amount of equipment included in the programme which will be purchased in the United Kingdom.

    59.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the latest available estimated cost of the Trident programme.

    I refer the hon. Members to the answer that I gave earlier today to the hon. Member for Workington (Mr. Campbell-Savours).

    53.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether the recent public expenditure review has affected his calculations on the ability to finance the Trident II missile system.

    The Trident programme, in line with all Defence programmes, is under review as part of the annual recosting exercise.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what efforts were made by his Department to procure contracts for United Kingdom firms on the Trident II programme.

    The agreement enabling United Kingdom firms to compete for sub-contract work formed part of the arrangements for the purchase of the United States Trident II (D5) weapon system programme signed in March 1982.My Department subsequently established an office in London in order to advise British industry how best to approach the programme. Working closely with the major United Kingdom trade associations, an inaugural briefing was staged in London in May 1982 with United States participation and under the chairmanship of my predecessor. Further industry briefing sessions were made throughout 1982 including at the SBAC Farnborough 1982 Air Show and at local offices of the Department of Industry.In June 1982, at the Ministry of Defence's request, a "Guide for Potential Sub-contractors" was published by the United States project office advising firms how to seek sub-contracts on the Trident programme, and listing the specific points of contact in the United States. It is estimated that 1,500 United Kingdom firms have been made aware of the programme, the majority by direct briefing.Negotiations between my Department and the United States Government have successfully removed many of the barriers which frequently deter United Kingdom defence manufacturers from marketing in the United States. Most notable was the United States agreement, exceptionally, to waive the International Traffic in Arms Regulations.As the participation programme has developed the MOD has maintained a close contact on opportunities open to United Kingdom firms with the United States prime contractors, and has arranged for them to send representatives to the United Kingdom in order to assess United Kingdom firms' capabilities.

    The programme entered the full scale engineering development phase in October 1983 and the selection of sub-contractors is expected to be largely complete by the end of 1985. The office set up in London continues to offer advice and assistance to United Kingdom industry and will be closely monitoring the progress of our firms.

    Nato (Conventional Weapons)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how his Department proposes to meet a North Atlantic Treaty Organisation commitment to increase expenditure on conventional weapons.

    By the next financial year the Government will have raised defence expenditure to a level about one fifth higher in real terms that it was in 1978–79. This increase in expenditure has gone overwhelmingly to our conventional forces. We will continue to look for ways of releasing additional resources through greater efficiency, economy and competition.

    Hms Conqueror

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will publish a copy of his letter of 29 November to the hon. Member for Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley in the Official Report.

    Yes."Dear George,You wrote to me on 14th November about HMS CONQUEROR'S control room log.In my answer of 13th November to your written Question, I explained very fully the circumstances in which my Department and I became aware that HMS CONQUEROR'S control room log for this period of the Falklands Campaign was missing. I totally reject your suggestions that indications of the log's disappearance were available earlier or that there was any sinister motive behind an official asking to see the log.On your second point, although I cannot confirm precisely the information contained in the control room log, since it is not available, I would expect it to contain details of HMS CONQUEROR's movements on 3rd May 1982. Indeed, as both Lord Trefgarne and I explained on 7th November, the log would contain routine readings of latitude and longitude, distance run, course, speed and depth, information which Lord Trefgarne was quite right to maintain would be of no value in the discussions that have been proceeding since the sinking of the Belgrano. As he and I also said, the submarine's operational activities were fully recorded in the Captain's narrative account. I also reject the suggestion that the Government has refused to detail the movements of HMS CONQUEROR on 3rd May: this, was covered in the Annex to the Prime Minister's letter to you of 19th September.On the question of why the control room log was not submitted to Flag Officer Submarines with the Captain's account, I hoped that I had made it clear that, at the conclusion of a patrol, a submarine commander forwards to the appropriate authorities such detailed records as are needed for analysis. These do not normally include the control room log, which is retained on board the submarine until sent to my Department's records office. As Flag Officer Submarines had a detailed daily account of HMS CONQUEROR's operations during the Falklands Campaign, there was no reason for him to ask to see the control room log.You also asked if I was content with the response of my officials in October to the apparent disappearance of the control room log. I can confirm I am entirely happy that they, and the Commander-in-Chief Fleet, took such action as was necessary to deal with the matter.Finally, I have nothing to add for the moment to my undertaking to consider making a statement once the report of the Board of Inquiry was available and had been considered by Commander-in-Chief Fleet and the Ministry of Defence. I can assure you that the matter is being dealt with as expeditiously as possible.Michael Heseltine"

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what documents were submitted to the Flag Officer Submarines by the commander of HMS Conqueror on his return to the United Kingdom.

    I understand that the documents submitted to Flag Officer Submarines by the commanding officer of HMS Conqueror were his report of proceedings including, inter alia, his narrative account.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the collection of documents and information from members of the crew of HMS Conqueror during the two weeks spent in Faslane after its return from the Falklands campaign; and if the procedures used on that occasion represent the normal practice in respect of fleet submarines returning from patrol.

    I understand that on her return to Faslane HMS Conqueror landed technical information and data for analysis in the usual way. It is standard practice to ensure that maximum value is derived from each submarine patrol for future operations. I also refer the hon. Member to the reply given to him by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Defence on 20 November, at column 84.

    16.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence why he has now referred the diary written by a member of the crew of HMS Conqueror during the Falklands war to the Director of Public Prosecutions; and if he will make a statement.

    As I told the hon. Member for Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley (Mr. Foulkes) on 30 November, a copy of a diary which apparently was kept by a member of the crew of HMS Conqueror is in the possession of my Department. The diary contains classified information and it appears that its contents have been communicated to persons not authorised to receive such information. This constitutes a prima facie breach of the Official Secrets Acts. In the circumstances of this case my Department considered that it was a matter for reference to the Director of Public Prosecutions.

    20.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many of the crew of HMS Conqueror on 1 July 1982 have now left the Royal Navy.

    Airborne Early Warning

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the future of the remaining Shackleton airborne early warning squadrons; and which system he expects to provide radar defence against low level attack in 12 months, 24 months and 36 months from now.

    [pursuant to his reply, 7 December 1984, c. 296]: The Shackleton continues to provide a useful AEW capability, but it is an elderly aircraft which is increasingly difficult to maintain. The timing of the disbandment of the Shackleton AEW force in relation to the coming into service of the Nimrod AEW has yet to be decided.

    Martin Kettrick

    14.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he has given any further consideration to the case of Martin Kettrick, the disabled ex-Marine.

    The case of ex-corporal Kettrick, Royal Marines, is still under consideration. In view of the complexities of the issues involved I cannot yet say when a decision will be made.

    Flexible Response And Forward Defence

    15.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give a definition of flexible response and forward defence.

    I refer the hon. Member to the essay entitled "NATO Strategy" in the "Statement on the Defence Estimates 1983".

    Multi-Launch Rocket System

    17.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what progress has been made with the multi-launch rocket system for the Army.

    We hope shortly to place a firm production order for MLRS phase I launchers and rockets with a European consortium consisting of United Kingdom, French, German and Italian firms. A contract for the development of MLRS phase III was awarded on 29 November by the United States Government on behalf of itself, the United Kingdom, France and Germany to an international consortium consisting of firms from each of those countries.

    Hong Kong

    18.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what was the total number of British military personnel based in Hong Kong at the latest available date.

    At the end of September there were a little over 9,000 British military personnel in Hong Kong.

    Military Training (Reorganisation)

    19.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what representations he has received about the proposed reorganisation of military training.

    I am not aware of any on the reorganisation as a whole, but a number of letters have been received on specific local effects of the reorganisation.

    Space-Based Anti-Ballistic Missile Technology

    21.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will support the deployment of space-based anti-ballistic missile technology should it prove technically feasible.

    35.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will support the deployment of a space-based anti-ballistic missile technology should it prove technically feasible.

    The United Kingdom is consulting closely with the United States and other allies on the current research programmes by the United States of America and the Soviet Union into ballistic missile defence systems. Decisions on deployment are some years away.

    Type 22 Frigates

    22.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he is yet in a position to announce the yards that will build the new type 22 frigates.

    Cruise Missiles

    23.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he has any plans to change the security precautions for exercises involving cruise convoys.

    57.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he is proposing any changes in the security precautions relating to exercises of cruise convoys.

    Shoeburyness (Departmental Services)

    24.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what progress there has been in the putting out to tender of the services at his Department's establishment in Shoeburyness.

    I cannot usefully add to the answer I gave on 15 November at column 344, in which I indicated that tenders would be invited early in the new year.

    Raf Molesworth And Alconbury

    25.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the development of RAF Molesworth and RAF Alconbury.

    ON RAF Molesworth I cannot at present add to my answer to the hon. Member for Liverpool, West Derby (Mr. Wareing) on 29 October at column 854.RAF Alconbury is scheduled to be developed in support of the deployment of TRI tactical reconnaissance aircraft with construction planned to begin next year.

    Allied Command Europe

    28.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether Her Majesty's Government will consider with other North Atlantic Treaty Organisation countries the establishment of a separate Allied Command Europe mobile force to defend the European southern flank.

    My right hon. Friend has no plans to do so. NATO plans for the defence of the area involve the deployment of dedicated reinforcements, largely American. The existing Allied Command Europe mobile force also has deployment options on the southern flank.

    Trainer Aircraft And Support Helicopters

    29.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how much weight he intends to attach to (a) the opinions expressed by hon. Members as to the merits of light trainer aircraft and light support helicopters prior to his placing orders on behalf of the Royal Air Force and (b) the opinions expressed by professional aeronautical engineers.

    Full consideration is always given to the views of hon. Members on such matters and to those of professional aeronautical engineers, including those who work in the Ministry of Defence. Before orders are placed, all relevant factors including performance, price, industrial and sales implications will be analysed fully.

    Naval Construction Work

    32.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement concerning his ordering plans for naval construction work.

    In the next year it is planned to order the following ships: two type 22 frigates (22–13 and 14), the first of the Trident class SSBNs, a nuclear-powered fleet submarine SSN19, two mine counter-measure vessels (MCMV 12 and 13), the first of class of the single-role minehunter and the second Upholder class conventional submarine. For the years beyond 1985 there are firm plans to order three more Trident submarines, six of the new one-stop replenishment ship the AOR, and Upholder class submarines at the rate of about one per annum. Further type 23 frigates will be ordered once the build of class, HMS Norfolk, is sufficiently advanced, with the order for 02 expected in about 18 months' time.

    Exercise Brave Defender 1985

    36.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether county military headquarters will be deployed to their wartime locations with local authorities during Exercise Brave Defender 1985.

    Raf (Central Region)

    38.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement concerning the air defence needs of the Royal Air force in the central region for 1990 and beyond.

    I refer the hon. Gentleman to the answer I gave to the hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull, North (Mr. McNamara) on 27 November at column 411.

    Northern Ireland (Irish Regiments)

    39.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement about the stationing of Irish regiments in Northern Ireland.

    Irish regiments have not generally been deployed in Northern Ireland for a variety of reasons, not least the additional strain this would place on soldiers and their families. It is not our policy to comment on future deployments.

    Cocom

    40.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is his policy towards COCOM and defence sales to China.

    The Government take a positive attitude towards defence sales to China, wherever this is compatible with our wider political, strategic and security considerations and our COCOM obligations.

    Alarm Missile System

    42.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what assessment he has made of the development of export sales potential for the planned ALARM missile system.

    The Defence Sales Organisation has examined the export sales potential of ALARM and concluded that there should be a significant market for it. We are assisting British Aerospace in its promotion overseas.

    European Fighter Aircraft

    44.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement concerning progress on the European fighter aircraft.

    56.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence when he expects to make a decision on the proposed European fighter aircraft.

    63.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a further statement on the future of the European fighter aircraft.

    The technical and industrial feasibility study of the European fighter aircraft is well under way. The industries of the participating countries which are carrying out the studies are required to complete their work in time for officials to submit a report to the five Defence Ministers for their consideration at a meeting next March. It is hoped that the studies will provide an acceptable basis from which to proceed with a collaborative procurement programme.

    Defence Sales (Brazil)

    45.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the prospects for increasing defence sales to Brazil.

    The Brazilian authorities and defence industries are currently interested in a number of United Kingdom defence equipments. If many of these are eventually purchased, we should see an increase in United Kingdom defence exports against levels for recent years.

    Nuclear Weapons (Ministerial Control)

    47.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what changes he has made in the arrangements for ministerial control of nuclear weapons as a result of experience gained during the Falklands conflict and its aftermath.

    It has been the practice of successive Governments not to discuss the details of arrangements for ministerial control of nuclear weapons.

    Nuclear Missiles

    48.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many nuclear missiles he estimates to be targeted in the direction of the United Kingdom by the Soviet Union and its allies; and if he will make a statement.

    I refer my hon. Friend to the answer I gave earlier today to my hon. Friend the Member for Chipping Barnet (Mr. Chapman).

    Naval Dockyards

    49.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence when he will publish his consultative document on the future of the naval dockyards.

    It is likely that we will produce a consultative document when we have completed our present deliberations, assuming they result in radical proposals for change.

    Flexible Response And Forward Defence

    51.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give a definition of flexible response and forward defence.

    I refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave earlier today to the hon. Member for Bradford, West (Mr. Madden).

    Fh70 Propellant

    52.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will explain why the FH70 propellant order has been given to firms in Germany.

    The agreement between the United Kingdom, the Federal Republic of Germany and the Republic of Italy sets out each partner's entitlement to production work within the FH70 programme. The United Kingdom has benefited from an excess of work over its entitlement under that agreement while Germany is in deficit. We are obliged, therefore, to place any new orders in such a way as to aim to restore each partner's work share to the agreed entitlements.

    Exercise Lionheart

    54.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many foreign flag vessels were chartered for Exercise Lionheart.

    Defence Budget

    55.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what are his proposals for controlling the cost of the defence budget.

    The range of measures in hand to control defence budget costs and to promote the efficient use of defence resources was described in chapter 2 of the "Statement on Defence Estimates 1984" (Cmnd. 9227).

    Expenditure

    58.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the level of conventional defence spending.

    I refer the hon. Gentleman to my reply to the hon. Member for Stockton, North (Mr. Cook) earlier today.

    Falkland Islands (Free Airmail Letters)

    60.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether the privilege of free airmail letters to servicemen in the Falklands is to be continued.

    I refer my hon. Friend to the reply I gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Aldershot on 5 December 1984 at c. 181.

    Nato (Weapons Systems)

    66.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he is satisfied with the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation's attempts to harmonise its weapons systems.

    There is general recognition within NATO of the need to make faster progress in harmonising weapons systems. In support of this overall NATO effort, European Defence Ministers have recently endorsed initiatives aimed at establishing a more systematic approach to harmonisation. These initiatives include a study of future equipment needs in order to identify areas where common requirements might be drawn up and which might form a basis for collaborative procurement.

    Nato Training (Weapons)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what information he has as to whether, despite the fact that no North Atlanic Treaty Organisation field training exercise this autumn contained a nuclear phase, any weapons capable of being used in a nuclear role were moved in connection with, or as a consequence of, any of these exercises.

    In the course of NATO exercises, a range of weapons systems may be moved for training purposes, and some of these may be nuclear-capable. Security considerations however preclude my detailing the involvement of particular systems in particular exercises.

    South Atlantic

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what percentage of the Royal Navy current operations budget is now tied to the south Atlantic.

    The breakdown of the running costs of the Falklands garrison into its individual components is classified. However, the total running costs of the garrison in 1984–85, excluding capital works and equipment but including the running costs of naval support and of the airbridge, is estimated at some £185 million or just over 1 per cent. of the defence budget.

    Falkland Islands

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many service men are currently based on the Falkland Islands.

    I refer my hon. Friend to the reply I gave to the hon. Member for Caernarfon (Mr. Wigley) on 12 July 1983 at c. 303.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what discussions he has had with the Brazilian Government for the provision of landing facilities for the Royal Air Force aircraft servicing the Falkland Islands.

    Brazil accepts aircraft diverted there in an emergency, as we would expect any other country to do.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether it is a condition precedent to consideration by Her Majesty's Government of awarding the basic jet trainer contract to Shorts that the Brazilian Government grants landing facilities for Royal Air Force aircraft servicing the Falkland Islands.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether it is a condition precedent to consideration by Her Majesty's Government of awarding the basic trainer contract to Shorts that the Brazilian Government grants landing facilities for civil aircraft servicing the Falkland Islands.

    Lemnos (Militarisation)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement upon the effect which the militarisation of Lemnos by Greece has had upon the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation alliance and Britain's defence relations with Greece and Turkey.

    The military status of Lemnos is a matter of dispute between Greece and Turkey. Both NATO and the United Kingdom have taken an even-handed approach and have urged the two countries to resolve their differences bilaterally. But their disagreements have, nevertheless, affected NATO's ability to conduct exercises in the Aegean. Our defence relations with Greece and Turkey remain unaffected.

    General Belgrano

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what information on the course and position of the General Belgrano was available to Ministers in his Department between 30 April 1982 and 3 May 1982; and from the information now available to him, if the information available to Northwood on 30 April to 3 May differed from that available to him.

    HMS Conqueror reported the course and position of General Belgrano to the Flag Officer Submarines at Northwood on a number of occasions between first sighting General Belgrano on 1 May 1982 and attacking her on 2 May. There is no evidence that these reports, which were not relevant to the threat represented by General Belgrano, were made known to Ministers at the time. On the general question of information in relation to the Belgrano I refer the hon. Members to paragraph 6 of the letter that my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister wrote to the hon. Member on 19 September.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence at what time Admiral Woodward learned of the visual contact which HMS Conqueror had established with the General Belgrano.

    Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

    Capital Grants

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will now give details of the changes in farm capital grants promised in his statement of 12 November, Official Report, column 138.

    We have today laid statutory instruments before Parliament modifying the agriculture and horticulture grants scheme, the Agriculture and Horticulture Development Scheme (AHDS) and the farm and horticulture development scheme. These will produce the savings of £40 million in 1985–86 announced on 12 November. The changes will come into effect immediately in respect of expenditure under the AHGS incurred after 11 December, and new applications or variations under the AHDS, and variations under the FHDS, received after that date.The changes, which are detailed in the following schedule, relate almost wholly to the AHGS. In the lowlands, the standard AHGS rate of grant will now be 15 per cent. We shall, however, maintain the enhanced rates for the replacement and improvement of heated glasshouses (37½ per cent.) and for apple and pear orchard replanting (22½ per cent.). For the planting of hedges and the construction of walls using traditional materials we are increasing grant rates to 30 per cent.In the less-favoured areas, the standard rate of AHGS grant will be 30 per cent. For buildings, electricity or gas supplies and waste disposal systems we are retaining the present rate of 20 per cent. We are reducing grant rates for roads from 40 to 20 per cent. in severely disadvantaged areas and from 20 to 15 per cent. in the marginal areas. The enhanced rates of 60 per cent. introduced last year for hedges, traditional walls and shelter belts in the LFAs are unchanged. We have, however, decided that, in the

    Schedule of changes to the Capital Grant Schemes
    Standard rateLess favoured areas rateHorticultural business rate
    PercentagePercentagePercentage
    A. EEC Scheme (ANDS)
    Field drainage32·5(50)50(70)32·5(50)
    B. National Scheme (AHGS)
    Provision of agricultural buildings15(20)20(20)15(20)
    buildings for drying and storage of grain for consumption solely by livestock kept on land15(20)20(20)NIL(NIL)
    The replacement of or other improvement to existing horticultural production buildings (including thermal insulation)NIL(NIL)NIL(NIL)15(20)
    Waste disposal systems15(20)20(20)15(20)
    Electricity or gas supply15(20)20(20)15(20)

    interests of achieving a better balance between agriculture and conservation, grant should not be available for land clearance. Moreover, land reclamation will now be assisted in Northern Ireland only where it is essential to maintaining farm incomes. Operations such as the removal of tree stumps and other obstacles to cultivation, land levelling or grading and deep ploughing are no longer eligible for grant in Great Britain. These changes apply also for new applications and variations to approved development plans under the FHDS and AHDS. Grant will, however, continue to be available in the less-favoured areas for other land improvement operations such as reseeding and regeneration, the laying down of permanent pasture, bracken control and the regeneration of heather.

    For the AHGS alone, the ceiling on the amount of investment which may be grant-aided will be halved, except for the special aid for heated glasshouses and orchard replanting where it remains unchanged. The limit per labour unit will be £25,000 and the overall business limit over six years £50,000. These reductions will apply to expenditure incurred after 11 December 1984.

    The only changes under the development schemes (FHDS and AHDS) will be the exclusion of the same land reclamation items now excluded under the AHGS and reductions in the rate of grant for field drainage from 70 to 50 per cent. in the less-favoured areas and from 50 to 32½ per cent. in the lowlands.

    In making these changes we are reflecting the Government's declared aim of achieving a closer integration of conservation and agricultural policies through high rates of grant for certain agricultural works of particular benefit to the environment and the exclusion of land clearance and, except in Northern Ireland, reclamation works. We are, however, maintaining the policy of paying enhanced rates of grant in the less-favoured areas in recognition of the natural hardships which they suffer.

    When the new capital grants schemes are introduced in 1985 to implement the new EC farm structures policy currently being negotiated in Brussels, we are determined to maintain a level of capital investment support which will enable the industry to preserve its competitive strength. This will take particular account of the needs of the livestock sector, especially in the hills. It is also our intention to introduce further measures to help conservation and to encourage farmers to diversify into non-farming enterprises.

    Standard rate

    Less favoured areas rate

    Horticultural business rate

    Percentage

    Percentage

    Percentage

    Water supply and storage15(20)30(50)15(20)
    Field drainage15(30)30(60)15(30)
    Flood protection works15(20)30(50)15(20)
    (In Scotland only—arterial only)40(50)50(60)NIL(NIL)
    Land works:
    roads, paths etc.15(20)20(40)15(20)
    pens, dips, stells etc.15(20)30(50)NIL(NIL)
    hedges; walls and dykes built of traditional, local material; and associated gates30(20)60(60)30(20)
    permanent fences; walls and dykes not built of traditional, local materials; and associated gates15(20)30(50)15(20)
    shelter beltsNIL(NIL)60(60)15(20)
    grassland and heather regenerationNIL(NIL)30(50)NIL(NIL)
    in Northern Ireland only—land reclamationNIL(NIL)30(50)NIL(NIL)
    orchard grubbing15(20)15(20)15(20)
    stakes and wirework for hop gardens15(20)15(20)NIL(NIL)
    watercress bedsNIL(NIL)NIL(NIL)15(20)

    Notes:

  • (a) Land clearance and reclamation works are no longer eligible for grant in Great Britain under the AHDS and AHGS. In Northern Ireland the reclamation only, including the removal of obstructions to cultivation, is eligible in the less-favoured areas.
  • (b) The cumulative investment limit for eligible agricultural businesses under the AHGS has been halved from about £100,000 to about £50,000. For eligible horticultural businesses the rates of grant and the investment limits remain at £100,000 where the additional expenditure is on orchard replanting and £130,000 where the extra expenditure is for glasshouse energy conservation.
  • Milk

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many milk producers have so far decided to join the outgoers' scheme; and whether any more will now be invited to join.

    To date, 1,060 producers have committed themselves to joining the scheme. The quota which they will surrender amounts to 109·5 million litres on a full year basis. This week we are sending out invitations to a further 261 producers who each have between 275,000 and 325,000 litres of quota, amounting to 78·1 million litres in total. As before, a small number have been excluded because milk production is a relatively small part of their overall farming enterprise.Progress will be reviewed early in January and from then onwards further groups of producers will be invited to join the scheme each week in so far as this is necessary to offset the number not taking up earlier invitations. This process will continue until our target of 289 million litres is reached.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what is the current position regarding quotas over off-farm sales of retail milk or other dairy products such as butter, cheese or yoghurt by farmers; whether the quotas are to be made interchangeable with general quotas of milk sold to the Milk Marketing Board; and whether he will make a statement.

    Producers who make direct sales of whole, skimmed or semi-skimmed milk, butter, cream or cheese had to apply for direct sales quota by 28 August 1984. Yogurt is not covered by the milk quota arrangements.Estimates of primary direct sales quota have now been issued to over 90 per cent. of the 3,454 applicants. It is hoped that the remainder will receive their notifications shortly.Under the terms of the Community regulations quota arrangements for direct sales are dealt with quite separately from those for wholesale deliveries to a purchaser. I consider that the regulations are rather too rigid in this respect and we are continuing to press in Brussels for greater flexibility. In the meantime, we intend to make use of the existing provisions which provide some limited measure of flexibility between the two types of quota. If a producer has more wholesale quota than he needs but not enough direct sales quota (or vice versa) he will be able to apply to the MMB to exchange some of his quota with a producer in the opposite position. The quota exchange system will be operated on the Ministry's behalf by the MMB.The detailed arrangements are being finalised in discussions with the interests concerned and I hope to make an announcement shortly.

    Beef And Lamb

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (1) what change has taken place in consumer demand for beef and lamb, respectively, Since 1979;(2) what has been the percentage change in the retail price of beef and lamb, respectively, since 1979.

    Trade And Industry

    Cereals

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what information he has as to the total imports of cereals to (a) the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and (b) China from (i) the EEC, (ii) the USA, (iii) Canada, (iv) Argentina and (v) Australia, for each of the years 1960, 1970, 1980, 1981, 1982 and 1983.

    Details of imports by the USSR and China by trading partner are not available. The available partner country export data are in the table.

    European Community

    USA

    Canada

    Argentina

    Australia

    US$M

    ' 000' s tonnes

    US$M

    '000's tonnes

    US$M

    ' 000' s tonnes

    US$M

    '000's tonnes

    US$M

    '000's tonnes

    Exports of Cereals* to the USSR

    1960
    197018851,3761245
    19802791,1929385,6971,1016,0111,0566,7797704,308
    19814942,2621,5549,0041,4437,9763421,886
    19823612,1571,62110,7001,5439,2393632,198
    19835794,2181,1917,3821,3187,461

    Exports of Cereals* to China

    1960
    1970174471192,008355123
    1980231381,2647,3844512,6681196663262,018
    19811086331,3317,5165863,1822451,267
    19821047061,2367,9975973,4593452,217
    19831028403363,6247614,788

    * Standard International Trade Classification groups 041–046.

    Present membership throughout.

    ‡Indicates nil or less than half the final digit shown.
    ║Not readily available.

    Source:OECD.

    United Nations Commodity Trade Statistics.

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry (1) what were the total proceeds to the EEC of the 2,156,658 tonnes of cereal exports to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in 1982 and the average price per tonne of cereals sold to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in 1982 and 1983;(2) what were the total proceeds to the EEC of the 706,415 tonnes of cereal exports to China in 1982 and the average price per tonne of cereals sold to China in 1982 and 1983.

    In 1982 European Community exports of cereals to the USSR and China were valued at $360·8 million and $104.2 million respectively. Price details are in the table.

    Cereals-Average price per tonne
    US million dollars
    European Community exports to
    USSRChina
    1982167147
    1983137121

    Source: OECD Trade Series 'C'.

    Textiles

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what is the latest position regarding funds available from the European regional development fund non-quota textile measures allocations; and if he will make a statement.

    I refer the hon. Member to the reply my hon. Friend gave to the hon. Member for Windsor and Maidenhead (Dr. Glyn) on 27 November 1984, at columns 434–36.

    British Telecom

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what grants have been received by British Telecom from the European regional development fund in each parliamentary constituency in the Lancashire, East Euro constituency since 1979.

    ERDF grants have been approved in respect of the following British Telecom projects in the Lancashire, East Euro constituency since 1979:

  • 1. £98,100 in respect of a Rossendale region modernisation project in 1983.
  • 2. £18,000 in respect of a Rossendale industrial development area project in 1984.
  • Both projects were located in the Rossendale and Darwen constituency.

    Companies (Public Funds)

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry how many companies which have been in receipt of public funds over the past 10 years have eventually gone into liquidation.

    Regional Aid (North-West)

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what effects he expects Her Majesty's Government's new policy on regional aid to have on unemployment in the north-west.

    The new policy is aimed at reducing regional imbalances in employment opportunities. The scale of the effect depends on industry's response to the incentives. It is not possible to forecast the impact on unemployment in particular areas.

    French Cosmetic Product

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether the French cosmetic product, the name of which has been supplied to him, has been licensed for sale in the United Kingdom.

    Cosmetics do not have to be licensed for sale in the United Kingdom, but they have to comply with the Cosmetic Products Regulations 1984. I have no knowledge of the product in question, but if the hon. Member would supply me with a sample, together with the reason why he is concerned about it, I will have it analysed.

    Cargo Centre Development, Manchester

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what consideration he gave to the implications for the viability of the cargo centre development at Manchester international airport in allowing new freight agencies to qualify for grant-aid within areas of Manchester but specifically excluding the airport.

    Agents facilitating freight transport will qualify under the new RDG scheme, which applies only to development areas. Decisions on qualifying activities were taken according to the likely effect on employment opportunities in the development areas as a whole; decisions on map coverage were based on areas' relative needs for employment opportunities. The Manchester TTWA is part non-assisted and part intermediate area, with the latter abutting other TTWAs which are also assisted. We included as much of the Manchester TTWA as was possible within a total map coverage of 35 per cent. of GB working population without excluding areas with a greater need.

    Leeward Islands Air Transport

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he has seen copies of the telex exchanges between the Caribbean countries involved and the European Commissioner regarding the purchase of Super 748 aircraft for Leeward Islands Air Transport; and if he will make a statement.

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what discussions the Minister for Trade had with Commonwealth Caribbean leaders when he attended the Caribbean Basin meeting in Miami, on the purchase of new turboprop aircraft for Leeward Islands Air Transport and the possibility of United Kingdom funding, in view of the European Community aid offer; and if he will make a statement.

    [pursuant to his reply, 10 December 1984, c. 345]: The matter was not raised with me by any of the Governments concerned. It is my understanding that Leeward Islands Air Transport and the Caribbean Development Bank are still in contact with the European Commission, but I am keeping the matter under close review.

    West Midlands

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will list in the Official Report which areas of the west midlands have been (a) downgraded and (b) upgraded as a result of his recent changes in regional aid.

    The information is as follows:

  • (a) No areas in the west midlands were downgraded.
  • (b) The following travel-to-work areas in the west midlands were designated intermediate areas: Birmingham, Cinderford and Ross-on-Wye (partly in South-West region), Coventry and Hinckley (partly East Midlands region), Dudley and Sandwell, Kidderminster, Telford and Bridgnorth, Walsall, Wolverhampton.
  • Environment

    Falkland Islands (Vic Hallam Company)

    69.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he is satisfied with the work done by the Vic Hallam Company on building houses for his Department in the Falkland Islands.

    The Vic Hallam Company is currently providing prefabricated living accommodation for the new RAF camp at Mount Pleasant. The company is sub-contractor to the main contractor, the Laing-Mowlem-Amey Roadstone Construction joint venture. Responsibility for the satisfactory completion of this accommodation rests with the main contractor and I am satisfied that it can meet the specifications laid down in its contract.

    Common Land

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he is satisfied with the protection of common land in England.

    I recognise that there is some concern about the effects of deregistration of common land.This and other matters relating to commons are currently being considered by the Common Land Forum, which was set up last January under the aegis of the Countryside Commission. We shall give careful consideration to any proposals, resulting from the forum's deliberations, concerning future protection of common land.

    Town Planners (Manchester)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many qualified town planners were employed in the Manchester regional office of his Department on 31 July; how many were employed there on 1 November; and how many he estimates will be employed there by 1 April.

    Eight plus one part-time on each of the first two dates. One of this number will have retired by 1 April 1985. Arrangements are in hand to appoint a suitable replacement.

    Bed-And-Breakfast Accommodation

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he intends to take any action to enable London boroughs to reduce the use of bed-and-breakfast accommodation; and whether he intends to propose legislation which will ensure that conditions in these hotels are satisfactory and safe.

    It is for individual authorities to decide on their own housing priorities within the resources available to them. The Government will continue to encourage them to concentrate resources on capital provision for those in greatest housing need, including the homeless, and to minimise the use of bed-and-breakfast accommodation. We have encouraged also the use of empty property and I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given to my hon. Friend the Member for Uxbridge (Mr. Shersby) on 22 November, at column 284.

    Authorities have ample powers to ensure satisfactory conditions amenities and safety in houses in multiple occupation. The need for further measures will be considered in the light of the outcome of the Department's current research into the use and condition of such accommodation.

    Trafford Park Enterprise Zone

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is the total number of private sector jobs created as a result of the Trafford park enterprise zone since its creation; and if he will give the average cost of each new job created.

    From 12 August 1981 (the date of designation of the zone) to 31 May 1983, the consultants who surveyed the zones on behalf of the Department found that 54 firms and 730 jobs had been established in the Trafford park enterprise zone. By 31 December 1983 the consultants estimated that a further 152 jobs had been added. No distinction was made between jobs in the private sector and other sectors. As to the cost per job, I refer to my answer to the right hon. and learned Member for Monklands, East (Mr. Smith) on 6 December, at column 238.

    Water Authorities

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will publish in the Official Report the financial targets for 1985–86 of each water authority in England.

    My hon. Friend the Minister for Housing and Construction is still discussing with the water authorities the individual financial targets to be set for 1985–86 within the announced policy of achieving an average rate of return of 1·4 per cent.

    Hulme (Ministerial Visit)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will make a statement on the recent visit by the Minister for Housing and Construction to the Hulme area of Manchester; and what action he now proposes to take following this visit.

    The future of the Hulme estate is initially a matter for Manchester city council. The city council has made proposals for the estate in its housing investment programme submission for 1985–86, and these will be considered carefully before the housing capital allocation is decided.

    Local Authority Expenditure

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will list in the Official Report the section 137 entitlement and expenditure for 1982–83 for each local authority in England.

    I have today placed copies of the information requested in the Libraries.

    Enterprise Zones

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will list the number of jobs filled in each enterprise zone; and whether any further enterprise zones are being planned.

    The consultant who monitored progress in the first 11 zones reported the following, on the basis of surveys carried out between the date of designation of the zones and 31 May 1983 (the figures in brackets show their estimate of the number of jobs added in the period 31 May—31 December 1983):

    Enterprise ZoneNet increase in jobs up to 31 May 1983
    Belfast332(169)
    Clydebank1,637(544)
    Corby1,591(494)
    Dudley523(118)
    Hartlepool476(137)
    Isle of Dogs353(451)
    Salford/Trafford1,052(462)
    Speke453(134)
    Swansea1,046(172)
    Tyneside446(187)
    Wakefield156(17)
    Totals8,065(2,885)
    We are currently collecting data about progress in these 11 zones since 31 May 1983 and on the 14 zones designated after that date.We have no plans at present to create further enterprise zones.

    Humberside County Council

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how much is in the balances, capital receipts fund, repairs and renewals fund and any other similar fund of Humberside county council; from whence those resources come; and how much has come from underspends on budgets in previous years, giving each years figures since 1981.

    Following is the information supplied by Humberside county council on annual outturn returns:

    Balance at end of year: £ million
    1980–811981–821982–831983–84
    Rate fund revenue accounts18·110·5..2·4
    Capital accounts0·70·1-1·1
    Special and Capital Funds1·03·721·217·9
    A full explanation of the source of these balances can be obtained only from the authority concerned.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what the total budget of Humberside county council was for 1983–84 and 1984–85, respectively; by how much the county council has underspent in each year; if he will give the figures for underspend in each underspending department; and if he will make a statement.

    Following is the readily available information for Humberside county council, based on "total" expenditure for block grant purposes (expenditure to be raised from block grant, rates and rate fund balances).

    Budget £ MillionOutturn £ million
    1983–84317·7316·6
    1984–85318·7not available

    Lordlords (Compensation)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment why he has decided to increase with effect from 25 December the compensation payable to landlords whose property is the subject of a control order by their local council.

    Section 78 of the Housing Act 1964, as amended, imposes a duty on local authorities to pay compensation, fixed by reference to rateable values, to landlords who are dispossessed by a control order. The last rating revaluation took place in 1973. The level of compensation was adjusted in 1981 by Statutory Instrument 1981/781. S.I. 1984/1629 takes account of the change in values since then.

    Multiple Occupation Houses (Safety Precautions)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will make a statement on means of escape from fire in houses of multiple occupation.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he intends to introduce legislation to strengthen fire and other safety provisions for houses in multiple occupation.

    The Government have considered carefully the representations for, and the implications of, an extension to the scope of the Housing (Means of Escape from Fire in Houses in Multiple Occupation) Order (SI 1981/1576). The Government have decided that it would not be appropriate to increase the statutory duties of local authorities at the present time. Local authorities already have powers to require adequate means of escape from fire in houses in multiple occupation and my right hon. Friend looks to them to exercise that power in the light of their knowledge of their area and the resources available to them.

    Homeless People

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) what allowance he intends to make in allocating capital for housing in 1985–86 for the number of homeless people in Greater London;(2) what assistance he has offered to councils in Greater London to reduce the number of homeless persons;(3) what assistance he has offered to councils in Greater London to help reduce their dependence on bed and breakfast accommodation for homeless people.

    My Department makes substantial capital allocations to London and other authorities. In making the allocations, regard is paid to the homelessness indicator in the generalised needs index and to information about homelessness provided by authorities. Allocations may be used at authorities' discretion for new building, bringing empty property into use and certain other measures which would reduce dependence on bed-and-breakfast accommodation.

    London (Housing)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what was the number of housing starts by the Greater London council and each London borough in 1978–79 and each subsequent year; and what is the estimate for the current year.

    Figures of dwellings started for these housing authorities in each calendar year, appear in "Local Housing Statistics", copies of which are available in the Library. The relevant issues are listed below:

    Number
    197849
    197959
    198057, 59–62
    198165
    198266
    198370
    1984*71
    * First half of 1984.
    The Department has made no estimates of house building starts for the year 1984.

    Local Government Reform

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what arrangements he has made to inform the London boroughs and metropolitan district councils about the proposed financial arrangements to follow the abolition of the Greater London council and the metropolitan county councils.

    My Department has recently written to the chief executives of all London boroughs and metropolitan district councils about the proposals. Copies of these letters have been placed in the Library.

    Acid Rain

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what funds his Department is spending on research into acid deposition in the current financial year; how much is expected to be spent next year; if he will list the projects involved, where known; and how much of this represents moneys allocated to basic research and applied research, respectively.

    My right hon. Friend expects to spend approximately £1·5 million on acid deposition research and monitoring in the current financial year; the projects involved are listed below.An increase of about £1 million in this total is being planned for 1985–86 to be spent largely on additional monitoring and on research into the effects of acid deposition.Most of the Department's research is aimed at solving pollution problems and should therefore be classified as applied, although some basic supporting research is also necessary.

    Project and Contractor

    Warren Spring Laboratory

  • 1. Monitoring, atmospheric measurement and modelling of acid components and precursors.
  • AERE, Harwell

  • 2. Atmospheric chemistry, modelling of photo-oxidants and acid components.
  • NERC, Institute of Terrestrial Ecology, Edinburgh

  • 3. Effects of acid deposition on plants and soils.
  • Macauley Institute for Soil Research

  • 4. Effects of acid deposition on upland soils and streams.
  • DAFS, Freshwater Fisheries Laboratory

  • 5. Effects of acidification on the fauna of lakes and streams in Scotland.
  • University of Loughborough

  • 6. Chemical inputs from precipitation and their effects on the chemistry of a catchment area.
  • Imperial College

  • 7. Combined impact of acid deposition and ozone.
  • Welsh Water Authority/NERC

  • 8. Effect of different land management regimes on water acidity, fish stocks and freshwater biota in 5 catchment areas in Wales.
  • AERE, Harwell

  • 9. Modelling of acid deposition and photo-oxidants.
  • Imperial College

  • 10. Effects of acid deposition and ozone on trees.
  • North West Water Authority/NERC

  • 11. Effects of acidification on freshwater biota in the Rivers Esk and Duddon, Cumbria.
  • NERC/AERE

  • 12. Effects of acid mists and fogs at altitude, Great Dun Fell, Cumbria.
  • National Physical Laboratory/BRE

  • 13. Controlled exposure studies of economic materials.
  • Freshwater Bodies (Acidification)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will list in the Official Report the freshwater bodies in (a) Scotland, (b) England and (c) Wales which have become acidified (i) to the point where fish populations have been killed off and (ii) to the point where fish populations and other aquatic life are in serious danger.

    Precise information is not available to enable the details requested by the right hon. Gentleman to be provided. My Department has therefore recently established a group of experts to review the availability and quality of information on (i) the extent and degree of acidity in surface waters in the United Kingdom and (ii) the status of freshwater fisheries; to review the geological and hydrological factors in a catchment area; to advise on the need for additional data; and to assess the implications of the foregoing for freshwater fisheries and aquatic ecosystems. The group is expected to report in the next 18 months to two years.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what evidence he has to show that emissions of sulphur dioxide or nitrous oxides from fossil fuel-fired power stations are affecting the acidity of freshwater bodies in (a) Scotland, (b) England and (c) Wales.

    There is strong circumstantial evidence to suggest that acidification of freshwater bodies in some areas is, in part, associated with emissions either now or in the past of sulphur dioxide and oxides of nitrogen from combustion processes including power stations. It is not possible to relate specific damage to specific emission sources in the United Kingdom or elsewhere.The extent of acidification of freshwaters in Scotland, England and Wales and the causes of acidification are being assessed by an expert group set up by my Department.

    Vegetation (Ozone Damage)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he is aware of any damage to vegetation in the United Kingdom by ozone in recent years; and what research is in progress on this topic.

    Yes. Research over the last 10 years has shown that summer time ambient ozone levels in rural southern England can cause visible foliar injury and reductions in growth of some crop species. My Department is currently funding research on the effects of ozone on trees and crops through Imperial College (who also receive funds from the Natural Environment Research Council and the Commission of the European Communities for this purpose). I understand that the CEGB also funds work in this area.

    Air Pollution (Crops And Trees)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what sum his Department is planning to spend in the next financial year on air pollution damage to crops and trees in the United Kingdom; and how the sum compares with the amount spent in the current financial year.

    Expenditure by the Department on research into the effects of air pollution on crops and trees in the United Kingdom is expected to exceed £300,000 in 1985–86. About £250,000 will be spent in the current financial year.

    Sulphur Dioxide Emissions

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what proportion of the fall in total sulphur dioxide emissions from United Kingdom sources (a) between 1970 and 1980 and (b) from 1980 to date, has been because of reductions in emissions from Central Electricity Board power stations.

    Acid Deposition (Power Stations)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is his Department's estimate of the contribution from emissions from fossil fuel-fired power stations in the United Kingdom to the total acid deposition in the United Kingdom.

    Employment

    Community Programme

    68.

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what effect the new eligibility criteria for entrants to community programme schemes which have been introduced are expected to have on the level of participation by married women in the scheme.

    The number who will be affected by the decision to give priority to those people who meet the programme's criteria for long-term unemployment and are also benefit recipients will vary according to changing personal and family circumstances. Married women may claim benefit in their own right and we have provided that where benefit is claimed by a head of household and includes an element of payment for an unemployed spouse, that spouse will also be regarded as a benefit recipient.

    Youth Training Scheme

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment how the Manpower Services Commission defines special training needs in the context of the youth training scheme.

    Youngsters with special training needs are not separately categorised. An offer of a suitable place on the youth training scheme is guaranteed to all eligible minimum age school leavers regardless of their individual ability. Where necessary, special provision is made for disabled youngsters, many of whom will have special training needs.

    Unemployment

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will make a statement of the likely future trends on long-term unemployment.

    The Department does not make forecasts of trends in unemployment. However changes in long-term unemployment tend to lag behind changes in total unemployment and it is therefore likely that long-term unemployment may continue to increase for some time after total unemployment stabilises.

    Engineering Apprenticeships

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what assessment he had made of assistance given to the engineering industry training board by the Greater Manchester council of additional funding to provide engineering apprenticeships during the last two years.

    I understand that the engineering industry training board's involvement is limited to the provision of information about trainees to Greater Manchester council, and that the board receives no direct assistance. My Department has made no assessment of this co-operation, which is a matter between the council and the board.

    Adult Training

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many adult training places are available for each 100,000 of the work force, by region, in 1984–85; and how many he expects to be available in 1985–86.

    For each 100,000 of the work force I estimate that the following numbers of people will benefit from our locally run adult training programmes:

    1984–851985–86

    Provisional
    Scotland402763
    Northern564848
    North West420755
    Yorkshire and Humberside326652
    Midlands269702
    Wales393628
    1984–851985–86

    Provisional
    South West294677
    South East241522
    London347501

    Skillcentres

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will make a statement on the expansion of the mobile instructor service announced as part of the proposals for the future of the skillcentre training agency.

    The proposed expansion of the skillcentre training agency's mobile instructor force to around 300 staff would enable the agency to deliver training wherever and whenever employers needed it:. The mobile force would concentrate on new technology skills which are vital to the country's future economic well-being. To keep the force up-to-date it is proposed that 100 of the staff should be recruited on short-term contracts.

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will give an assurance that, whenever possible, the instructional staff who will be affected by the proposed skillcentre closures will be retained so that their skills can be retained by the Manpower Services Commission.

    If its proposals are agreed, the skillcentre training agency intends that 200 of the 300 instructors required for the greatly expanded mobile instructor force would come from among its existing instructors. The agency also intends that whenever possible it will retain instructors through retraining and redeployment.

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what will be the effect of proposals for the future of the skillcentre training agency on its new technology training.

    In 1985–86 the skillcentre training agency proposes to deliver 12 per cent. more new technology training in specialist classes—including that carried out in its new technology access centres—than this year. It would expect this upward trend to continue in 1986–87, both in skillcentres and through the expanded mobile instructor force, and is also increasingly incorporating new technology elements in other courses.

    National Dock Labour Scheme

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is his current policy in respect of the national dock labour scheme; and if he will make a statement.

    I refer the hon. Member to the statements made in July that the Government have no plans to change or abolish the national dock labour scheme.

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment when he next proposes to meet representatives of the Transport and General Workers Union to discuss the implications for the national dock labour scheme of the proposed Felixstowe Dock and Railway Bill.

    My right hon. Friend has no plans at present to discuss with the Transport and General Workers Union any views it may have on this matter, and no invitation to do so has been received from it.

    Theatre Technicians

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what information he has about unemployment levels amongst theatre technicians.

    Noise Protection

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he is satisfied with the current protection of workers from noise; and if he will make a statement on the EEC directive on the wearing of hearing protection.

    I am satisfied that the Health and Safety Executive is taking effective action to secure the protection of workers from noise as described in the reply given by my predecessor to my hon. Friend the Member for Mid-Kent (Mr. Rowe) on 24 January 1984 at column 488.The proposed EC directive, on the protection of workers from noise, is not concerned only with hearing protection, but the provision and wearing of hearing protection in work places where it is not reasonably practicable to limit exposure to an acceptable level by other means is an essential feature of it, as it would be of any domestic legislation on this subject. Negotiations on the proposed directive have been making progress, and are to be reviewed by the Social Affairs Council at its meeting on 13 December.

    Construction Workers

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will indicate the number of unemployed construction workers in Great Britain.

    The 1983 labour force survey indicates that in the second quarter of 1983 some 250,000 persons whose previous job had been in the construction industry were without a paid job and seeking work.

    Unemployment (London)

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is the present level and percentage rate of unemployment in London; and what are the comparable figures for blacks.

    [pursuant to his reply, 10 December 1984, c. 360]: The latest available information comes from the 1983 labour force survey which provides the following provisional estimates for the Greater London area, for the second quarter of 1983.

    Out of employment (Thousand)Out of employment as a proportion of economically active (per cent.)
    All ethnic origins3009
    Non-white ethnic origin7515

    Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

    Test Ban Treaty

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on the outstanding problems of verification with regard to recent resolutions at the United Nations calling for a comprehensive test ban treaty.

    We believe that for a test ban to command general acceptance it must contain adequate safeguards against the danger of non-compliance by any of its signatory parties. This position was reflected in our voting on recent resolutions at the United Nations. As a first step towards ensuring that compliance with a comprehensive test ban is adequately verifiable, current techniques of seismic verification, on which monitoring of such a treaty would depend, require significant improvement. We have played an active part, including the tabling in 1983 of an important working paper, in discussions of verification aspects of the CTB at the Geneva conference on disarmament. We shall continue to do so.

    Lemnos (Militarisation)

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement upon the militarisation of the island of Lemnos by Greece, and the effect that that will have upon Anglo-Greek and Anglo-Turkish relations.

    The question of the militarisation of the island of Lemnos has been a matter of long-standing dispute between Greece and Turkey. Britain is an ally of both countries. We hope that they will soon be able to resolve this and other disputes relating to the Aegean.

    Treaty Of Lausanne

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on the excercise by the United Kingdom of its obligations under the treaty of Lausanne as it affects the Aegean.

    The treaty of peace with Turkey signed at Lausanne in 1923 is wide-ranging and covers many issues of relevance to the Aegean. We have no reason to believe that we are not adequately discharging any obligation which the treaty may still impose upon us.

    Education And Science

    University Students (Statistics)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the number of (a) male and (b) female undergraduate students following degree courses in England and Wales, the number who receive a mandatory grant award and the number who receive dependants' additions to their basic grant award; and, of these numbers, how many students' dependants' awards are made in relation to dependent children.

    In 1982–83 there were 192,000 male and 150,000 female full-time and sandwich home students following first degree courses in England and Wales. In the same year 370,500 students received a full value mandatory award from English and Welsh local education authorities. Information on mandatory awards by sex of student is not available. There is no direct link between award holders and numbers studying in England and Wales. This is because award holders from English and Welsh authorities could choose to study anywhere in the United Kingdom and vice versa.In 1982–83, 9,600 students received an additional dependants' allowance. Numbers of students' dependants' awards made in relation to dependent children are not available.

    Blind And Deaf Children (Teaching)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science when he expects to have completed his analysis of responses to the Advisory Committee on the Supply and Education of Teachers report on the training of teachers and of hearing-impaired children; and if he will make a statement.

    My right hon. Friend and my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Wales are considering the responses to the ACSET report and will announce their decisions in due course.

    Thompson Report

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science when he expects to issue his circular to local authorities on the implementation of the Thompson report.

    Special Education Needs

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science how many children under the age of five years have been the subject of a statement of special education needs under section 4 of the Education Act 1981 in each local authority.

    Aids (Research)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what information he has concerning expenditure upon and allocation of personnel to research into acquired immune deficiency syndrome in the United Kingdom.

    I refer my hon. Friend to my reply on 26 November, at column 389, to the hon. Member for Islington, South and Finsbury (Mr. Smith). The Medical Research Council's research referred to in that reply is being carried out at three centres in London and one in Manchester. I understand that a total of eight scientists are receiving grant support, which also provides the salaries for eight support staff as well as laboratory expenses and equipment.It is possible that research work relevant to AIDS is also being conducted in universities and medical schools, financed from the block grant to universities allocated for teaching and research on advice from the University Grants Committee.

    Teachers (Pay)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what are the current average levels of pay of secondary school headmasters, deputy headmasters and teaching staff; and how they compare with those of 1979 and with those of each year since 1979.

    Information by the grades requested is not readily available. I shall write to the hon. Member about this as soon as possible. The average salaries of all full-time teachers in maintained secondary schools in England and Wales were as follows:

    31 March£
    19795,181
    19806,217
    19817,783
    19828,454
    *19839,048
    * Provisional.
    Since 31 March 1983, the latest date for which complete figures are available, salary rates have been increased by 4·98 per cent. (from 1 April 1983) and 5·1 per cent. (from 1 April 1984) and the application of those increases to the 1983 provisional figure above produces a current estimated average salary for full-time secondary school teachers of £9,983.

    Students (Tuition Fees)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what increases have taken place in the level of costs incurred for tuition fees for British students at universities and polytechnics; and to what extent such fees have risen annually since 1979.

    The recommended fee levels for advanced courses for students charged the home rate of fee since 1979–80 have been as follows:

    Under-graduate

    £
    Post-graduate

    £
    1979–80595890
    1980–817401,105
    1981–829001,320
    1982–834801,413
    1983–844801,494
    1984–855001,569
    1985–865201,632
    British students may be charged higher fees if they do not have the relevant connection with the United Kingdom specified in the Education (Fees and Awards) Regulations 1983 and are not excepted students under the provisions of these regulations.

    Overseas Students

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the amount which students from overseas have had to pay towards university tuition fees for the current academic year; and how this amount compares with those paid in the academic year 1978–79 and with those paid in every academic year since 1978–79.

    The Government's policy is that overseas students who began their courses after 1 September 1980 should pay fees that cover the cost of their education in the United Kingdom. The level of fee is now for universities to decide in accordance with that policy and in the light of their own circumstances. Universities have in general charged the minimum fee that has been proposed by the Government or, since 1983, recommended by the University Grants Committee. The minima that have applied from time to time are as follows.

    Undergraduate

    £
    Postgraduate

    £
    1978–79705925
    1979–807701,010
    Arts CoursesScience CoursesClinical Years of Medicine, Dentistry and Venterinary Science

    £
    1980–812,0003,0005,000
    1981–822,5003,6006,000
    1982–832,7003,6006,600
    1983–842,9003,8007,000
    1984–853,1504,1507,650

    World Scientific Research (Report)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what action he intends to take on the report from the science policy research unit at Sussex university, a copy of which has been sent to him, on the decline of the United Kingdom's share of world scientific research.

    The Advisory Board for the Research Councils advises my right hon. Friend on his responsibilities for civil science. It is thus for the ABRC in the first instance to assess the significance of this particular report and to advise accordingly. The recent announcement of extra money for the science budget confirms that the Government attach the greatest importance to maintaining the health and vigour of British science.

    Overseas Development

    Ethiopia (Famine Relief)

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what recent representations he has made to the Ethiopian Government concerning the distribution of Her Majesty's Government's famine relief to the Eritrean population.

    When I saw the Relief and Rehabilitation Commissioner in London on 7 November, and during my visit to Ethiopia between 25 and 27 November, I urged the Ethiopian Government to co-operate fully in ensuring that relief gets through to those in need in all drought-affected areas irrespective of their background or political affiliations.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a further statement on the British contribution to famine relief in Ethiopia, in the light of the details sent to him by the hon. Member for Liverpool, Riverside.

    The Government share the concern of others that relief supplies should reach those in need in all drought-affected areas. For this reason, we continue to channel the bulk of our assistance through British and international organisations already working in those areas.

    National Finance

    Economic Growth

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what rate of economic growth he expects for 1985.

    Gross domestic product is expected to grow by 3·5 per cent. in 1985.

    Scotland (Incomes)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what was the average real income of (a) the top 10 per cent., (b) the top 20 per cent. and (c) the botton 20 per cent. of taxpayers in Scotland in 1979–80 and at the latest available date.

    Estimates of average income for different percentiles of taxpayers resident in Scotland are readily available only from 1980–81. For average total income before tax in 1980–81 and 1981–82 (the latest available), they are as follows:

    Average total income before tax (£)
    Percentage of taxpayers*£

    1980–81
    £

    1981–82
    Percentage increase
    Top 10 per cent.15,20017,10012·0
    Top 20 per cent.12,40013,90011·8
    Bottom 20 per cent.2,5502,7909·4
    * Married couples paying tax are counted as one unit
    Calculated from unrounded figures
    [

    Source: Annual Survey of Personal Incomes]

    The percentage increase in the general index of retail prices between 1980–81 and 1981–82 was 11·5 per cent.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what was the percentage share of total income after tax of (a) the top 10 per cent. and (b) the top 20 per cent. of taxpayers in Scotland in 1979–80; and what where the corresponding figures for the latest available date.

    Estimates for taxpayers resident in Scotland are readily available only from 1980–81. Estimates for 1980–81 and for 1981–82 (the latest available) are as follows:

    Percentage share of Total Income after tax
    Percentage of taxpayers*1980–811981–82
    Top 10 per cent.22·122·4
    Top 20 per cent.36·937·5
    * Married couples paying tax are counted as one unit
    [

    Source: Annual Survey of Personal Incomes]

    North Sea Oil

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how much revenue has been received through taxation from North sea oil between (a) 1974 and 1979 and (b) 1979 and 1984.

    Total tax take from the North Sea—that is royalties, petroleum revenue tax (including advance payments), supplementary petroleum duty and ring fence corporation tax (before ACT set-off)—was £930 million in the period between January 1974 and April 1979. From May 1979 to October 1984, the total tax take was £35·1 billion.

    Value Added Tax

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if the Government's position on the question of the imposition of value added tax on non-domestic construction work remains unaltered since 29 February.

    Yes. The EC Commission has now issued a reasoned opinion under article 169 of the Treaty of Rome alleging that certain aspects of the VAT zero rates in force in the United Kingdom including those applicable to non-domestic construction are contrary to the provisions of the sixth VAT directive. The United Kingdom Government have made it clear that they do not accept the Commission's views.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what representations he has received concerning the operation of the Value Added Tax (General) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 1984 as it relates to the Post Office's Datapost service and the services operated by international air courier companies.

    Two trade associations representing international air couriers and freight forwarders have written to or had meetings with Customs and Excise seeking parity of treatment with the Post Office's Datapost service.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will take steps to ensure that both plain water, as supplied in hospitals for new-born babies, and dextrose solutions, as supplied for the same purposes, are both zero-rated for value added tax purposes; and if he will make a statement.

    No. Purified bottled water and dextrose solutions are both taxable at the standard rate. Supplies to patients in hospitals are exempt from the tax. With certain limited exceptions, the VAT charged on supplies of goods and services to the Health Service cannot be reclaimed. But the allocation of funds to the Health Service takes the incidence of VAT fully into account.

    Foetal Material

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what checks are applied by Customs and Excise officers at British ports on the export of dead foetal material; whether there is a specific customs classification for such material; and if he will make a statement.

    As there is no legislation prohibiting or restricting the exportation of human foetal material Her Majesty's Customs and Excise have no authority to impose controls and do not do so. There is no specific customs classification for such material.

    Gay's The Word Bookshop

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer which of the books detained from the Gay's the Word bookshop are listed as obtainable in the United Kingdom in British Books in Print.

    As it will take a little time to obtain this information I shall write to the hon. Member.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what compensation Her Majesty's Customs and Excise will make to the Gay's the Word bookshop for the deterioration in condition and consequently in value of the books detained and subsequently returned.

    Customs and Excise have not received any claim for compensation from Gay's the Word bookshop.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer, further to his answer of 4 December, Official Report, column 177, if he will list the last six cases under each of the Acts referred to which were included in the instructions given to the 36 officers reading the books taken from the Gay's the Word bookshop.

    The instructions given to the officers did not refer to specific cases under any of the Acts quoted.

    Income Tax

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will list the amounts at 1984–85 prices that could be raised by 1p on the standard rate of income tax in England for the financial years 1978–79, 1979–80, 1980–81, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84 and 1984–85.

    [pursuant to his reply, 23 November 1984, c. 295]: For the United Kingdom, the estimated yields from increases of 1p in the basic rate of tax are as follows:

    £ million at 1984–85 prices*
    1978–79705
    1979–80755
    1980–811,015
    1981–821,020
    1982–831,045
    1983–84975
    1984–851,025
    * using the index of retail prices, and assuming an increase of 4¾ per cent. between 1983–84 and 1984–85.
    assuming that the lower rate of tax remained at 25 per cent.
    provisional.
    I regret that estimates relating only to England are not available.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will list for each of the last 10 years the number of people who paid tax at (a) the standard rate and (b) each of the successive higher rate bands.

    [pursuant to his reply, 26 November 1984, column 378]: This information is as follows. The figures relate to tax units, that is count married couples as one. Estimates for 1982–83 onwards are provisional. Due to rounding, the individual figures in the table do not in all cases sum to the total.

    Taxpayers '000

    *Rate per cent

    1975–76

    1976–77

    1977–78

    1978–79

    1979–80

    1980–81

    1981–82

    1982–83

    1983–84

    1984–85

    253,0702,660
    3018,26020,20019,60019,80019,60019,300
    3317,565
    3419,500
    3519,60019,800
    40325347385235302334445435355350
    45375455225158168216305245220240
    5016119811386108129170155130140
    55981107384435275656060
    601141059854536595807580
    6558795345
    7047583132
    7534424136
    8328364133
    Total20,80021,20020,60021,40021,60021,00020,70020,80020,40020,200

    * ignoring any liability to investment income surcharge.

    Personal Taxation

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what would be the saving if (a) all tax reliefs and (b) personal tax allowances were set against the standard rate of tax only.

    [pursuant to his reply, 29 November 1984, c. 579]: The cost at 1984–85 levels of income of allowing personal tax allowances at rates in excess of the basic rates of income tax is estimated at about £380 million. Information on the similar cost of other income tax reliefs is available only in respect of mortgage interest, retirement annuity premiums and employees' superannuation contributions; in total it is about £400 million. It is not possible to estimate precisely the combined yield from restricting these reliefs and personal allowances to the basic rate, but it is thought to be about £900 million.

    Coal Industry Dispute

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer why tax rebates for the financial year 1983–84 are being withheld from striking miners; and if he will make a statement.

    [pursuant to his reply, 10 December 1984, c. 372]: If a worker is absent from work because he is participating or directly interested in a trade dispute at his place of employment, his employer is required, by the Income Tax (Employment) Regulations 1973 (as amended), to withhold any PAYE refund due to him until he returns to work.

    Commercial Bills

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what has been the change in the Bank of England's stock of commercial bills since the reply of 21 July 1983, Official Report, column 178; and whether short-term monetary interest rates are now above or below the level appropriate to the Government's monetary policy.

    [pursuant to his reply, 10 December 1984, c. 372]: Figures for Issue Department transactions in commercial bills are published in "Financial Statistics", table 11.5. Quarterly changes in Bank of England holdings of bills are published in a table in the article on the operation of monetary policy which appears in each issue of the Bank of England Quarterly Bulletin.The bank's operations have prevented money market shortages from driving up short-term interest rates to an inappropriate level.

    Northern Ireland

    Erne Catchment Area

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland whether he will make a statement on the development of the Erne catchment area.

    Since the publication of the Erne catchment study report in June 1980 the Government have assisted with the improvement of tourist amenities and accommodation in that part of the area falling within Northern Ireland; further development will continue to take account of the recommendations of the report.

    Fair Employment Agency

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will list the members of the Fair Employment Agency for Northern Ireland and indicate how long they have each held membership.

    Set out below are the names of members of the Fair Employment Agency together with the commencement dates of their membership of the agency.

    NameDate membership commenced
    Mr. Robert G. CooperSeptember 1976
    Mr. Howard BurnsMay 1981
    Mrs. Mary ByrneJuly 1982
    Mr. Ross Campbell, OBEOctober 1983
    Mr. Thomas E. ConatySeptember 1976
    Mr. J. Paul M. DonaghatyNovember 1984
    Mr. Tom D. DouglasDecember 1982
    Mr. James J. EcclesSeptember 1984
    Mr. Robert T. Jordan, MBEOctober 1982
    Dr. Desmond McCourtNovember 1984
    Mrs. F. Jill McIvorNovember 1984
    Mr. Kevin MurphySeptember 1984

    Custodial Remand (Statistics)

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, for each year since 1980, how many prisoners were remanded in custody prior to trial for scheduled and non-scheduled offences, respectively.

    The information is as follows:

    YearOffence type
    ScheduledNon-scheduled
    1980828854
    19811,3731,092
    19821,1991,122
    19831,1541,009

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, for each year since 1980, what was the average length of time that prisoners spent on custodial remand for scheduled and non-scheduled offences, respectively.

    The information is as follows.

    Average waiting time (number of weeks from first remand to termination of trial)
    1980198119821983
    All persons36383537
    Persons charged with scheduled offences43443946
    Persons charged with non-scheduled offences26292220

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many prisoners in 1982 and 1983 were remanded in custody prior to trial for periods between (a) 0 to 3 months, (b) 3 to 6 months, (c) 6 to 9 months, (d) 9 to 12 months, (e) 12 to 18 months and (f) over 18 months for scheduled and non-scheduled offences, respectively.

    Disposal1980

    percentage
    1981

    percentage
    1982

    percentage
    1983

    percentage
    Scheduled offences
    Non-custodial sentence
    2144485397014
    Custodial sentence32764393674327536772
    Discharged at Court (including acquittals) or absolute discharge167321452591167014
    Total515100582100576100507100
    Non-scheduled offences
    Non-custodial sentence142741068139116
    Custodial sentence24841316433416337167
    Discharged at court (including acquittals) or absolute discharge)3485734047130249317
    Total610100730100539100555100

    Social Services

    Nhs (Staff)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many combinations of grade and area of work there were in the National Health Service in 1983; and how these combinations were distributed between dental and medical staff, nursing and midwifery staff,

    The information is not available exactly in the form requested but the following information is available:—

    Persons tried on indictment 1982–83: Interval between first remand and sentence
    Weeks elapsed remand to sentenceNo. of persons
    19821983 (to 31 October)
    Scheduled offenders
    0—less than 102912
    10—less than 201411
    20—less than 305046
    30—less than 407454
    40—less than 505439
    50—less than 755032
    75—less than 1001918
    100 weeks and more20
    Total292212
    Non-scheduled offenders
    0—less than 102837
    10—less than 202322
    20—less than 303117
    30—less than 401028
    40—less than 5024
    50—less than 7583
    75—less than 10011
    100 weeks and more00
    Total103112

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, for each year since 1980, what percentage of prisoners on custodial remand for scheduled and non-scheduled offences, respectively were (a) given a non-custodial sentence, (b) given a custodial sentence and (c) found not guilty or not proceeded against.

    The information is not available in the exact form requested. However, the following details are available:professional and technical staff, administrative and clerical staff, ambulance staff, ancillary staff, and any other staff.

    The table shows the approximate number of combinations of grade and area of work, for each staff group in the English NHS at 30 September 1983.The number of different areas of work recorded depends upon the occupation coding structure, which is designed to reflect the information needs of local managers.

    Staff group

    Number

    Medical and Dental410
    Nursing and Midwifery

    *1,340

    Professional and Technical530
    Administrative and Clerical1,650
    Ambulance Staff (including Officers)90
    Ancillary510
    Others (Works/Maintenance)380
    Total4,910

    * This total takes account of

    (a) the full implementation of the 25 new pay scales introduced with the 1982 NHS reorganisation (not all of these scales were operative by 30 September 1982).
    (b) About 20 obsolete pay grades used for staff on protected terms and conditions of service following the 1982 reorganisations.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many National Health Service staff have been prosecuted in the past year for pilfering and fraud, respectively; and what was the lowest sum involved in each category of presentation.

    Hypothermia

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what are the numbers of deaths from hypothermia for each of the last 10 years for which figures are available; and of those annual total deaths, how many occurred to children under one year old, people over 65 years of age and people over 80 years of age, respectively.

    The numbers of deaths with mention of hypothermia are shown in the table.

    Number of deaths with mention of hypothermia for selected age-groups, 1974 to 1983 England and Wales
    YearAge
    All agesUnder 1Over 65 yearsOver 80 years
    197440123308148
    197551112428232
    197658515482246
    197761318501254
    197870826588301
    197982420676331
    198059613486215
    19816859570297
    198267118533296
    19835399444235
    Over 65 (or over 80) years of age is interpreted as aged 66 (or 81) and over. The figures for over 80 years are included in those for over 65 years.

    Dentists

    Short asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will provide a breakdown of the distribution of dentists in the United Kingdom area by area.

    The number of dentists in the general dental service, the Community Dental Service and Hospital Service in the United Kingdom on 30 September 1983 is in the table. For information in respect of general dental practitioners only, subdivided by family practitioner committee area in England, I refer the hon. Member to my reply to the hon. Member for Holborn and St. Pancras (Mr. Dobson) on 28 November 1984 at columns 526–30.

    Number

    ENGLAND

    Regional Health Authorities:—

    Northern853
    Yorkshire1,123
    Trent1,197
    East Anglian568
    North West Thames1,660
    North East Thames1,361
    South East Thames1,423
    South West Thames1,316
    Wessex969
    Oxford810
    South Western1,270
    West Midlands1,532
    Mersey777
    North Western1,257
    WALES905
    SCOTLAND1,914

    Health Boards:—

    Ayrshire and Arran135
    Borders33
    Argyll and Clyde139
    Fife109
    Greater Glasgow400
    Highland81
    Lanarkshire177
    Grampian142
    Orkney6
    Lothian350
    Tayoid180
    Forth Valley88
    Western Isles14
    Dumfries and Galloway48
    Shetland12
    NORTHERN IRELAND541

    Infant Mortality

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the infant mortality rate at the latest available date among families of (a) unskilled workers and (b) professional workers.

    The information requested is shown in the table. The figures relate to legitimate births only, as the social class of fathers of all illegitimate babies is not available. In 1983, the infant mortality rate of all illegitimate babies was 13·3 per thousand illegitimate live births. The overall infant mortality rate for 1983 was 10·1 per thousand live births.

    Infant mortality rate by social class* in 1983, England and Wales legitimate births only
    Social Class*Rate per 1,000 legitimate live births
    All legitimate births9·4
    i. Professional occupations6·2
    ii. Intermediate occupations7·6
    iiiN. Non-manual skilled occupations8·1
    iiiM. Manual skilled occupations9·2
    iv. Partly skilled occupations12·0
    v. Unskilled occupations12·8
    *Social class is derived from the fathers' occupation.

    Drugs

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services which products of which companies are on the non-reimbursable list for drugs; and if he will make a statement.

    We are consulting the medical and pharmaceutical professions and the drugs industry on the content of the limited list. Until this consultation is complete it is not possible to list the medicines which will no longer be available under the National Health Service.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) what expert machinery he is developing to assess new drugs currently under research which are to be reimbursable in the future;(2) whether his Department has considered the prescribing anomalies which could arise as a result of the removal from the National Health Service of each drug which it is proposed will not be available from April 1985;(3) whether his Department has undertaken individual evaluation of the likely medical and social impacts of the proposed removal in April 1985 of certain drugs currently prescribed under the National Health Service.

    These matters will be fully considered during our consultations with the medical and pharmaceutical professions and the drugs industry.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) whether the World Health Organisation essential drug list was used by his Department in the selection of those drugs which will continue to be available under the National Health Service after the proposed introduction of a limited list of generic medicines;(2) why the terms of product licences and data sheets issued and approved by his Department were not used in determining which drugs would continue to be available under the National Health Service after the proposed introduction of a limited list of drugs rather than the British National Formulary.

    The list of drugs to remain available on the National Health Service will not be determined until our consultation with the medical and pharmaceutical professions and the drugs industry is complete. No single source of information was used to prepare the provisional list published on 8 November.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he plans to extend the proposed restrictions to doctors' prescribing of medicines beyond the therapy classes currently proposed; and for which other illnesses he believes it reasonable to limit treatment.

    No. We have announced the full extent of the therapeutic categories covered by our limited list proposals.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he will publish any information he has about the price in the United Kingdom of drugs and medicines whose prescription he proposes to restrict, and their price in other countries.

    The drugs to remain available on the National Health Service in the categories affected by our limited list proposals will not be finalised until full consultation has taken place.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he will exclude from the limited list of drugs any product still protected by patent.

    Our stated intention is to provide an adequate range of cheap and effective generic drugs in the therapeutic categories covered by our limited list proposals. We are now consulting to ensure that no essential drug is omitted from the list.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many pre-printed letters in an identical format his Department has received from doctors protesting about restrictions on National Health Service prescribing; what response he is making; and if he will make a statement.

    Hon. Members have to date sent us 145 copies of a pre-printed letter circulated by Roche Products Ltd. This letter simply requires the doctor to endorse it with his surgery stamp, sign it and send it to his Member of Parliament. I believe the company supplied a stamped envelope addressed to the doctor's own Member of Parliament for the purpose. The letter contains a number of inaccuracies and misleading statements. We shall be replying to all letters, including this prepared campaigning letter, in due course.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will place in the Library a copy of his letter of 8 November to the British Medical Association about limited list prescribing.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services why he rejects the introduction of generic prescribing or generic substitution in the family practitioner services of the National Health Service.

    We do not reject generic prescribing. We have always encouraged doctors to prescribe generically whenever possible. A scheme of compulsory generic substitution across all therapeutic groups would be indiscriminate and would have an adverse effect on the research based pharmaceutical industry in this country. In addition the medical profession have raised with us what they see as a serious problem of legal liability if such a scheme were introduced.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) from whom he obtained advice in selecting the drugs to be included in the limited list he announced on 8 November;(2) if he will give the number of prescriptions dispensed on the National Health Service in 1983 of each of the drugs which will no longer be available for prescription under the National Health Service on the basis used to calculate the estimated savings given in his statement on 8 November;(3) if he will list the drugs which will no longer be permitted to be prescribed under the National Health Service, giving the cost of the private purchase of each drug by a patient on the basis used to calculate the estimated savings given in his statement on 8 November;(4) if he will give details of how he arrived at the estimated savings to the National Health Service from the introduction of limited list prescribing mentioned in his statement of 8 November.

    Our estimate of savings from the introduction of limited list prescribing is based upon the cost to the National Health Service of drugs within the broad therapeutic groups under consideration. We are consulting the medical and pharmaceutical professions and the drugs industry on the content of the limited list and until this consultation is complete it is not possible to list the medicines which will no longer be available under the National Health Service or their individual costs. No single source of information was used to prepare the provisional list published on 8 November.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services why no middle-range pain killers are included in the limited list he announced on 8 November.

    Analgesics for the relief of moderate to severe pain are not affected by the limited list proposals.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services why his Department's evidence to the Greenfield committee rejected the idea of limited list prescribing in the National Health Service.

    The paper prepared by officials of our Department and put to the Greenfield committee in 1981 rejected the idea of a limited list of drugs across all therapeutic groups. It was not concerned with the present proposals, which affect only less essential therapeutic categories.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is his estimate of the number of items which will be bought across the counter by patients who formerly bought them on prescription.

    Nhs (Infertility Treatment)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) which National Health Service hospitals offer infertility treatment;(2) which National Health Service hospitals offer in vitro fertilisation;(3) if he will list the establishments where Government funded research into infertility and its causes is carried out.

    We do not collect information routinely about NHS infertility services. There are many infertility treatment techniques available and it is usual for gynaecology departments to offer some of them.In a new and specialist field of medicine such as in vitro fertilisation a distinction cannot realistically be drawn between research and treatment.The following hospitals have confirmed that they have in vitro fertilisation programmes:

    • The Hammersmith hospital, London
    • Chelsea hospital for women, London
    • Royal Free hospital, London
    • St. Bartholomew's hospital, London
    • King's college hospital, London
    • St. Mary's central, Manchester
    • Southmead hospital, Bristol
    • Bristol royal infirmary
    • Birmingham maternity hospital
    • Jessop hospital for women, Sheffield

    The main Government funded body supporting research in this field is the Medical Research Council from its grant-in-aid under the science budget of the Department of Education and Science.

    I understand from the council that the MRC is supporting major programmes of research at the reproductive biology unit, Edinburgh and at the department of anatomy and obstetrics and gynaecology at the University of Cambridge.

    The MRC also supports research relevant to infertility and its causes at the experimental embryology and teratology unit, Carshalton, at the department of obstetrics and gynaecology at Glasgow university and at the institute of obstetrics and gynaecology in London.

    In addition the MRC supports research at a number of other centres which could prove relevant to our understanding of this problem.

    Action On Smoking And Health

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what public funds from his Department are paid in the current year to Action on Smoking and Health; and how this compares with each of the last 10 years.

    The information is as follows:

    Grant to Action on Smoking and Health
    Year£
    1984–85136,000
    1983–84118,000
    1982–83115,000
    1981–8290,000
    1980–8180,000
    1979–8070,000
    1978–7959,500
    1977–7841,500
    1976–7731,000
    1975–7618,500

    Nhs (Chief Executive)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he expects to announce the appointment of a chief executive of the National Health Service.

    The chairman of the NHS management board is expected to be announced shortly.

    Nhs (War Preparations)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he hopes to issue the revised version of HDC(77)1, "The Preparation and Organisation of the Health Service for War".

    Copies of a preliminary draft of revised planning guidelines for the care of the sick and injured in war were sent to the British Medical Association and the Royal College of Nursing at the end of July with an invitation to comment on the draft and the offer of discussions to facilitate consideration. A response from the British Medical Association is awaited.Because of the importance of the subject, we also propose to provide for full consultation on the draft with the National Health Service and other interests. I cannot say at present when a revised circular will be issued.

    Population Statistics

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will list in the Official Report all borough or district council areas with populations below 120,000 which have their own fully manned local office of his Department with figures for the respective populations that they aim to serve.

    I regret that this information could be obtained only at disproportionate cost.

    Local Offices

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) what are the criteria of geography, population, and communication which determine his deployment of local offices of his Department round the country;(2) what criteria a borough or district council area has to satisfy in order to obtain its own local office of his Department.

    The main criterion for the deployment of the Department's local offices is to provide the best possible service to the public while at the same time exercising proper economy in administration.The provision of a local office is not linked to a borough or district council area. However, in determining local office boundaries account is taken of the following criteria; these are not listed in any particular order:

  • (i) Accessibility of offices to the public.
  • (ii) Organisation of the work in the most economical way.
  • (iii) The need for liaison and co-operation with local authorities. As a general rule local office boundaries should not cross those of social service departments and should coincide as far as possible with those of housing departments.
  • (iv) Liaison and co-operation with unemployment benefit offices.
  • (v) Ease of identification of the local office covering a given address.
  • Occupational Asthma Scheme

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many posters have been printed about the occupational asthma scheme; and how many of them have been distributed.

    23,000 copies of an occupational asthma poster were printed and distributed in July 1984.Two copies of the poster were sent to welfare/medical officers of relevant industries (10,000 copies), trade union secretaries (5,500 copies), citizens advice bureaux (2,000 copies), DHSS offices (3,000 copies). The remainder is held in stock at our leaflets unit.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many claims have been made under the occupational asthma scheme (PD 53) since its introduction.

    1,343 claims have been made between 29 March 1982, when occupational asthma was prescribed as an industrial disease, and 25 September 1984, the latest date for which information is available.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services, in respect of each of the seven listed groups in the occupational asthma scheme (PD53), how many claims were successful and how many claims were unsuccessful.

    I regret that the information is not available in the form requested. However, the following table shows, in respect of each of the seven listed agents, the number of successful claims for occupational asthma and the number of claims where the disease was not diagnosed following examination by a special medical board.

    AgentsSuccessful claimsDisease not diagnosed
    (a) Isocyanates15448
    (b) Platinum salts15
    (c) Fumes/dusts from certain hardening agents2333
    (d) Soldering flux fumes6738
    (e) Proteolytic enzymes79
    (f) Animals/insects1814
    (g) Flour/grain dusts9991
    Totals383233

    Sexually Transmitted Diseases

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many males and how many females have been treated under the National Health Service for sexually transmitted diseases in each of the last 10 years for which figures are available in each of the following age groups (a) under 17, (b) 18 to 24, (c) 24 to 39 and (d) 40 or more years of age.

    We do not collect information in precisely the form requested. The available figures are in the tables:

    Number of new cases seen at National Health Service clinics for sexually transmitted diseases in England—Patients of all ages.
    YearPrimary and secondary syphilisPost-pubertal gonorrhoeaAll conditions
    malefemalemalefemalemalefemale
    19741,39525337,33720,734216,693133,889
    19751,40420237,37721,579220,061143,490
    19761,46821437,17921,497229,806150,885
    19771,51326836,89821,801240,951156,762
    19781,52721835,60921,023249,159161,552
    19791,33019034,99020,035251,070166,714
    19801,34020734,07020,318271,614187,365
    19811,25819333,44818,726281,189198,735
    19821,18715033,04919,083296,675220,993
    1983 (provisional)1,03911030,45517,912309,040238,397
    Number of new cases seen at National Health Service clinics for sexually transmitted diseases in England—Patients aged under 16
    YearPrimary and secondary syphilisPost-pubertal gonorrhoea
    malefemalemalefemale
    197432118460
    19753107445
    197645126511
    197795127430
    197863101339
    1979282303
    1980394305
    1981396265
    198224115314
    1983 (provisional)81199

    Number of new cases seen at National Health Service clinics for sexually transmitted diseases in England—Patients aged 16–19

    Year

    Primary and secondary syphilis

    Post-pubertal gonorrhoea

    male

    female

    male

    female

    197489544,6546,543
    197592414,7457,010
    197699514,6006,788
    1977104704,8077,013
    197875414,3576,437
    197974494,3295,986
    198063564,2886,216
    198169454,3515,915
    198249304,4695,980
    1983 (Provisional)56224,4385,847

    Number of new cases seen at National Health Service clinics for sexually transmitted diseases in England—Patients aged 20–24

    Year

    Primary and secondary syphilis

    Post-pubertal gonorrhoea

    male

    female

    male

    female

    19743057312,3677,384
    19752906012,1607,572
    19763336911,9877,508
    19773178412,0287,732
    19783046611,2097,416
    19792404511,1237,333
    19802585811,3147,584
    19812686011,0007,256
    19822454511,3827,150
    1983 (Provisional)2243710,9637,026

    Number of new cases seen at National Health Service clinics for sexually transmitted diseases in England—*Patients aged 25 and over.

    Year

    Primary and secondary syphilis

    Post-pubertal gonorrhoea

    male

    female

    male

    female

    197499812420,1986,347
    19751,01910120,3656,552
    19761,0328920,4666,690
    19771,08310919,9366,626
    19781,14210819,9426,831
    19791,0169419,4566,413
    19801,0199018,3746,213
    19819188818,0015,290
    19828917117,0835,639
    1983 (Provisional)7595114,9734,840

    * A more detailed breakdown of this age-group is not available for 1974 and 1975.

    Number of new cases seen at National Health Service clinics for sexually transmitted diseases in England—Patients aged 25–34

    Year

    Primary and secondary syphilis

    Post-pubertal gonorrhoea

    male

    female

    male

    female

    1974not availablenot available
    1975not availablenot available
    19766386314,3255,224
    19776447713,6695,222
    19786887113,6555,441

    Year

    Primary and secondary syphilis

    Post-pubertal gonorrhoea

    19795766313,3695,079
    19805756012,5254,815
    19814935511,9434,111
    19824734111,1494,385
    1983 (provisional)3993110,1203,837

    Number of new cases seen at National Health Service clinics for sexually transmitted diseases in England—Patients aged 35–44

    Year

    Primary and secondary syphilis

    Post-pubertal gonorrhoea

    male

    female

    male

    female

    1974not availablenot available
    1975not availablenot available
    1976251164,6181,190
    1977289204,7381,111
    1978312304,6951,111
    1979295184,5091,028
    1980270174,3161,116
    1981295184,446923
    1982270204,386961
    1983 (provisional)237133,529773

    Number of new cases seen at National Health Service clinics for sexually transmitted diseases in England—Patients aged 45 and over.

    Year

    Primary and secondary syphilis

    Post-pubertal gonorrhoea

    male

    female

    male

    female

    1974not availablenot available
    1975not availablenot available
    1976143101,523276
    1977150121,529293
    197814271,592279
    1979145131,578306
    1980174131,533282
    1981130151,612256
    1982148101,548293
    1983 (provisional)12371,324230

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what information he has concerning expenditure upon and allocation of National Health Service personnel to the treatment of sexually transmitted diseases in patients aged under 16 years of age in each of the last 10 years.

    Aids

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will give a breakdown by region and by date of each reported case of acquired immune deficiency syndrome in the United Kingdom over the last two years.

    1st quarter
    1983

    2nd quarter
    1983

    3rd quarter
    1983

    4th quarter
    1983

    1st quarter
    1984

    2nd quarter
    1984

    3rd quarter
    1984

    4th quarter
    (to 14 November) 1984

    London3444119246
    South coast21121
    Bristol1
    Cardiff11
    North West1111
    Mersey11
    Oxford11
    South West1
    Northern1
    Scotland21

    Source:

    Public Health Laboratory Service: Communicable Disease Surveillance Centre.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what information he has concerning the expenditure upon and allocation of personnel to the treatment of acquired immune deficiency syndrome sufferers in the United Kingdom by the National Health Service.

    We do not collect information from health authorities which would enable us to identify the allocation of NHS resources specifically devoted to the treatment of AIDS.

    Cervical Cancer

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many patients have been treated for cancer of the cervix in each of the last 10 years for which figures are available in each of the following age groups (a) under 17, (b) 18 to 24, (c) 24 to 39 and (d) 40 or more years of age.

    The available information is given in the table:

    Estimated numbers of in-patient cases treated in National Health Service hospitals in England and Wales for malignant neoplasm and carcinoma in situ of cervix uteri.
    Age group
    YearUnder 2425–3435–4445 and overAll ages*
    19722901,7902,4609,08013,600
    19733102,0302,2808,50013,130
    19743502,5502,1208,65013,700
    19754002,9302,5909,76015,670
    19763403,5502,5209,22015,630
    19773303,2702,9608,84015,400
    19786003,3603,1508,36015,470
    19793403,9803,0708,77016,150
    19803703,7803,3709,10016,620
    19813804,6003,4809,42017,880
    19824204,3604,0208,92017,720
    * Figures may not sum to totals due to rounding.

    Home Helps

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will set out in the Official Report the number of home helps employed per thousand of population, at the latest date for which figures are available to his Department in (a) East Sussex, (b) West Sussex, (c) Devon, (d) Newcastle upon Tyne, (e) Manchester and (f) Sheffield.

    The following information as at 30 September 1983 is the latest available:

    Number of home helps per thousand population
    Number
    (a) East Sussex0·9
    (b) West Sussex0·7
    (c) Devon0·8
    (d) Newcastle Upon Tyne2·5
    (e) Manchester1·5
    (f) Sheffield1·8

    Foetal Material

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Service (1) if he will list those National Health Service hospitals and private nursing homes which supply the foetal tissue bank at the Royal Marsden hospital, London, with dead foetal material; whether the Royal Marsden Hospital pays for this service; and whether it is the sole purchaser of material from these sources;(2) if officials from his Department carried out an investigation in 1983 into allegations of a trade in dead foetal material between British abortion clinics and French cosmetic companies;(3) if he will list those establishments approved by his Department or by the Medical Research Council to store dead foetal material and those establishments licensed to use such material for experimentation; and if he will make a statement;(4) what safeguards exist to prevent the sale of dead foetal material from abortions to commercial concerns; whether any National Health Service hospital or private nursing home receives income from selling foetal material to commercial concerns; and if he will make a statement.

    The use and disposal of foetal material in England is very closely controlled in accordance with the code of practice recommended in the Report of the advisory group on the use of foetuses and foetal material for research (the Peel report 1972). Within the National Health Service control is the responsibility of health authorities and details of such arrangements are not held centrally. The supply of material from approved nursing homes is monitored by our Department. We approved the supply of foetal material by nursing homes as follows. No charge is made for the supply.

    Blackdown Nursing Home

    • Birmingham Maternity Hospital and East Birmingham Hospital

    Calthorpe Nursing Home

    • Birmingham Children's Hospital, East Birmingham Hospital and Birmingham Maternity Hospital

    London Private Hospital

    • Foetal Tissue Bank, Royal Marsden Hospital

    Park View Clinic

    • Foetal Tissue Bank, Royal Marsden Hospital

    Raleigh Nursing Home

    • Foetal Tissue Bank, Royal Marsden Hospital

    Robert Nursing Home

    • Birmingham University Medical School

    Wistans Nursing Home

    • St. Bartholomew's Hospital and East Birmingham Hospital

    The Medical Research Council does not control the storage or use of material in this way. However foetal material from the bank is supplied only to research centres in the United Kingdom and not to overseas establishments. All establishments using such material must obtain prior approval from the local ethical committee.

    The allegations that foetal material from United Kingdom sources was being supplied to French cosmetic companies were investigated at the time by our Department. No evidence to support the allegations was found.

    Changes in consultant staffing in ear, nose and throat 1979–1983

    England:

    1979

    1983

    Posts per million population

    Change 1979–1983

    Established posts

    Staff in post

    Established posts

    Staff in post

    Vacant posts

    Established posts

    Staff in post

    Total* All Regions426394422393299·01-4-1
    Northern2625262518·39
    Yorkshire2525272527·50+2
    Trent302932326·95+2+3
    East Anglian141314147·27+1
    North West Thames3934312928·97-8-5
    North East Thames42334941813·12n/a‡n/a‡
    South East Thames38343734310·32-1
    South West Thames32293129210·51-1
    Wessex2524272619·64+2+2
    Oxford1615181627·58+2+1
    South Western2524242317·74-1-1
    West Midlands3733393637·53+2+3
    Mersey1818171616·98-1-2
    London postgraduate teaching hospitals242312102n/a‡n/a‡
    North Western3535383719·49+3+2

    * Including London postgraduate teaching hospitals.

    Posts without a permanent holder, which may be partly or wholly occupied by locums.

    ‡ Direct comparisons cannot be made between 1979 and 1983 for North East Thames and the London postgraduate teaching hospitals since a number of consultant contracts were transferred from the latter to North East Thames in the 1982 NHS reorganisation.

    Note:

    Numbers of consultants at 30 September, including SHMO with allowance.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what changes in the number of ear, nose and throat consultant posts have occurred since 1979 in districts which have hospitals associated with medical schools or institutes providing postgraduate training in the ear, nose and throat specialties.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services which health districts have made savings, and of what amount, by reducing the number of ear, nose and throat consultant posts and ear, nose and throat beds; which have closed ear, nose and throat hospitals; and which have plans to do so.

    This detailed information is not readily available centrally. On a national basis, however,

    Outpatient Waiting Lists

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the waiting time for (a) outpatient appointments and (b) operations in the ear, nose and throat specialties in (i) the United Kingdom, (ii) England and (iii) each of the English health authorities.

    Information is not collected centrally in precisely the form requested. I shall let the right hon. Member have the available information as soon as possible.

    Ent Consultants

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many ear, nose and throat consultant posts there are per million population in each of the English health regions; how many in each region are currently vacant; and what has been the change in the number of (a) established and (b) filled posts since 1979.

    The information requested is set out in the table.the number of inpatient and day cases treated in the ear, nose and throat specialty increased from 260,000 in 1978 to 305,000 in 1983 and the number of outpatient attendances rose from 1·9 million to 2·1 million.

    Hospital Closures

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will request health authorities to inform him of any proposed hospital closures; and if he will require them to ensure before closure that adequate provision is made with new investment if necessary, for the patients normally treated at the hospital.

    Health authorities are required to consult locally on all proposals for permanent hospital closure, and to notify our Department at the same time. If the community health council does not agree with the proposals, they cannot proceed without reference to Ministers. We consider all such cases very carefully, including details of alternative provision, before making a final decision.

    Postgraduate Hospitals

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) how the addition of the specialist postgraduate hospitals to the responsibilities of district health authorities affected the application of the formula of the resource allocation working party to the districts concerned; what will be the position when the protected funding of the hospital ends; and if he will ensure that there is continued recognition of the national role of these hospitals;(2) if he will give figures for the London postgraduate hospitals that had their own board of governors before reorganisation, showing the revenue and capital available to each in the last year before reorganisation, and that available in the current year; what was the percentage charge for each; and which are run by special health authorities and which by district health authorities;(3) whether any restrictions were placed on the spending of the protected funding of the postgraduate London hospitals now run by district health authorities; whether the protected funding is being fully spent by the hospitals for which it was intended; whether and for which hospitals there has been any borrowing by the district health authority; whether there are plans to maintain the future funding of these specialist hospitals; and if he will make a statement.

    I shall let the right hon. Member have replies as soon as possible.

    Nhs (Charges)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) what is the gross income to the National Health Service from charges made for pathology and radiology work, respectively, carried out for private patients of consultants; what is the net income from each; and what is the current scale of charges;(2) what are the estimated losses of revenue to the National Health Service in the 10 worst cases of undercharging or failure to charge revealed by his recent survey of health authorities' charging arrangements;,(3) what is the gross income for National Health Service hospitals from charges to road accident victims, private patients and overseas visitors, respectively; and what is the net income in each case;(4) what is his estimate of the gross income for National Health Service hospitals from charges to road accident victims, private patients and overseas visitors, respectively if all such charges had been fully levied.

    Health Authorities (Charges)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many National Health Service consultants and administrators are to be disciplined or prosecuted as a result of his recent inquiry into the failure of health authorities properly to levy charges.

    Sanctions against employees are a matter for health authorities, which are not required to report this information to us.

    Maternity Services Advisory Committee

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he intends to re-appoint the Maternity Services Advisory Committee after its third report is published.

    I refer the hon. Member to my reply to her on 27 November at column 469–70.

    Perinatal Mortality

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will list in the Official Report those district health authorities in the West Midlands with a higher perinatal mortality rate than the present average for the region.

    The district health authorities in which the perinatal mortality rates for 1981–83 were higher than the average for the west midlands region over that period are as follows. A group of years has been used to minimise the effect of random fluctuations of rates based on small numbers.

    • Herefordshire District Health Authority
    • Shropshire District Health Authority
    • North Staffordshire District Health Authority
    • Rugby District Health Authority
    • Central Birmingham District Health Authority
    • East Birmingham District Health Authority
    • West Birmingham District Health Authority
    • Coventry District Health Authority
    • Sandwell District Health Authority
    • Walsall District Health Authority
    • Wolverhampton District Health Authority

    Neonatal Intensive Care Units

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will list in the Official Report the names and locations of each neonatal intensive care unit in England and Wales.

    Regional health authorities designate certain special care baby units to provide neonatal intensive care, but such care is also provided by some other such units. Because there is at present no firm definition of intensive care, it is not possible, on a routine basis, to identify and collect centrally details of all the units that give such care.

    Health Visitors

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what proposals he has to increase the recruitment of health visitors; and how many are at present (a) in training and (b) employment.

    It is for health authorities to determine the need for any increased provision for health visitors in their districts but we have, over a 3-year period, made extra money available to inner city health authorities for the training of additional health visitors and district nurses. At 30 September 1983 there were, in whole-time equivalent terms, 1,023 student health visitors and 9,708 health visitors, including field work teachers and multiple duty staff, employed in the National Health Service in England.

    Community Care

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what proposals he has to provide additional central funding to health authorities for care in the community.

    Central funding for care in the community will be provided in 1985–86 and subsequent years through initiatives already announced. No new proposals are contemplated at present.

    Black Foster Parents

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what steps he is taking to recruit more black foster parents.

    The Government accept that there is a need for fostering agencies to recruit sufficient foster parents from ethnic minority groups to meet the needs of black children in care. The Department is currently preparing a public service advertisement for television to encourage foster parents of all ethnic groups to come forward. The review of the regulations governing fostering which is just beginning will include consideration whether to require authorities to have regard to any wishes of a child or its parent about cultural upbringing.

    Nhs (Managers)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what discussions he has had with representatives of the National and Local Government Officers Association about the appointment of Health Service managers.

    None. I am considering a request for a meeting about the personnel consequences of the appointment of general managers.