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Volume 69: debated on Friday 14 December 1984

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Written Answers To Questions

Friday 14 December 1984

House Of Commons

Photocopying

asked the Lord Privy Seal (1) what steps he is taking to ensure that the regulations governing the use by research assistants of the photocopier in the Upper Committee Corridor are observed;(2) if he is satisfied that the present provision of photocopying facilities is adequate to meet the needs of right hon. and hon. Members.

I understand that the matter is to be considered in the near future by the Accommodation and Administration Sub-Committee.I am sure that the Sub-Committee will take account of any representations made to it.

Education And Science

Research Expenditure

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) what is the total projected Government expenditure for 1985 for research into (a) contraceptive, (b) abortion and (c) sterilisation techniques;(2) what has been the total Government expenditure on research into

(a) contraceptive, (b) abortion and (c) sterilisation techniques in each of the last 10 years for which figures are available.

The Medical Research Council, which receives its grant-in-aid through the Department, is the main Government agency for the promotion of medical research in the United Kingdom. The council's total expenditure on research projects which have areas of relevance to contraceptive, abortion and sterilisation techniques in each of the past four years is as follows:

£
1980–81979,320
1981–821,103,992
1982–831,279,409
1983–841,529,178
The figures include the total cost of each project that involves work in the areas concerned, not only that part of each project which is directly relevant to the techniques.I understand that the council does not have comparable figures for the years prior to 1980–81, neither can it produce an estimate of its expenditure in this field in 1985–86. The latter will depend on the research grant applications received by the council and on its decisions about whether to support them. The council is always ready to consider soundly based proposals for new research.Research work relevant to these techniques is also carried out in universities and medical schools, financed from the block grant to universities allocated for teaching and research on advice from the University Grants Committee and from other sources. Details are not available.

Attorney-General

Mrs Norah Mccabe

asked the Attorney-General whether, in the light of the inquest findings in the case of Mrs. Norah McCabe and the new evidence which has come to light, he will ask the Director of Public Prosecutions to reopen investigations into the case.

No. After the inquest., the Director of Public Prosecutions for Northern Ireland reconsidered this case in the light of the evidence given at the inquest and the inquest findings and of all the other evidence now available, as described in the answer which my hon. and learned Friend the Solicitor-General gave to the hon. Member for Liverpool, Riverside (Mr. Parry) on 7 December. As a result of that reconsideration, the Director reaffirmed his earlier conclusion that the evidence available did not warrant the institution of proceedings against any person in respect of Mrs. McCabe's death. He has discussed the case with me and I am satisfied that that decision is correct.

Num Sequestrators (Costs)

asked the Attorney-General what statutory authority he proposes to seek for the indemnity granted to Price Waterhouse in respect of costs incurred in its role as sequestrators of the assets of the National Union of Mineworkers.

The Crown has granted the indemnity under its common law power, but Parliament is being asked to make token provision in the Consolidated Fund Bill in respect of the contingent liability assumed under the indemnity. Any payments under the indemnity would require further provision in a subsequent Consolidated Fund Act.

Coal Industry Dispute (Legal Aid)

asked the Attorney-General how many applications have been made by persons charged with offences related to picketing during the miners' dispute for legal aid; and how many have been accepted; and if he will list the figures in each area.

The statistics collected do not relate applications for legal aid to alleged offences. The information requested could not be obtained, except at disproportionate cost.

Wales

School Meals

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what is the amount of subsidy paid per annum to provide school meals in Wales; and what proportion is paid to subsidise the cost of midday meals to boarding pupils.

The net recurrent cost of the school meals service for maintained schools in Wales is provisionally estimated to have been £27·6 million in 1983–84. Information as to the cost of subsidising midday meals for boarding pupils is not available centrally.

Forestry Commission

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what representations he has received regarding the proposed reorganisation of the Forestry Commission in Wales; and if he will make a statement.

My right hon. Friend has received representations on this matter from the following, as well as from my hon. Friend the Member for Cardiff, Central:

  • My hon. Friend the Member for Vale of Glamorgan (Sir R. Gower);
  • The right hon. Member for Cardiff, South and Penarth (Mr. Callaghan);
  • The hon. Member for Caernarfon (Mr. Wigley);
  • The trade union side of the Forestry Commission's south Wales Whitley Council;
  • The Wales TUC;
  • Cardiff city council.
However, the prime responsibility for the organisation and efficient management of the Forestry Commission in Wales lies with the forestry commissions.

Overseas Development

Human Settlement Projects

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what is the level of support from the overseas aid programme for human settlement projects over the last five years; what projects are currently being supported; and which British companies have benefited from contracts in connection with these.

The information requested, covering housing and land settlement projects, is as follows:

YearHousing £000Land settlement £000
19792,9311,303
19802,269929
1981492,130
19829,1594,777
19835,3132,981

Note: Projects in the dependencies or recently independent countries in the Caribbean and Pacific are not included in these figures as the detailed statistical data are not readily available.

Projects currently being supported are as follows:

Country

Project

IndiaHousing and Urban development
MalawiRural housing
Solomon IslandsHousing developmentthrough the Commonwealth Development Corporation
BotswanaLow cost housing
KenyaLand purchase
SwazilandLand purchase
ZimbabweLand resettlement

Information is not available about British companies benefiting from contracts under these projects; however, in both categories, the bulk of expenditure covers local costs where British companies are not usually involved.

Un Development Programme

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will give the level of funding of the United Nations development programme by Her Majesty's Government (a) in constant prices and (b) as a percentage of total overseas aid for each of the last 10 years.

The information requested is as follows, together with the cash contributions to UNDP for each of the years quoted:

UNDP Contribution
CashConstant 1983 pricesAs percentage of total overseas aid
£ million£ million
19749·329·52·5
197514·736·73·2
197613·629·72·5
197720·038·33·3
197825·443·93·4
197928·543·03·0
198015·018·91·6
198117·519·71·5
198218·519·41·7
198318·518·51·6

Civil Service

Government Legislation (Drafting)

asked the Minister for the Civil Service if any preparation of Government legislation has been done by other than the official parliamentary draftsmen in each of the past 10 years.

Apart from a certain number of Consolidation Acts drafted under contract by retired parliamentary counsel, some drafting of Consolidation Acts was done by parliamentary agents in 1974 and 1975.

Parliamentary Draftsmen

asked the Minister for the Civil Service whether he has any plans to increase the number of parliamentary draftsmen; and if he will make a statement.

There are at present 23 parliamentary counsel—of all grades—of whom four are seconded to the Law Commission. Steps are being taken to recruit five more assistant parliamentary counsel, with a view to increasing from 19 to 22 the number of counsel working in the Parliamentary Counsel Office, and from four to six the number seconded to the Law Commission.

asked the Minister for the Civil Service how many pages of legislation have been prepared by parliamentary draftsmen in each of the past 10 years.

In round figures, the number of pages of non-Scottish legislation prepared by parliamentary draftsmen in each of the past 10 years was:

New ActsConsolidation ActsTotal
19741,3603201,680
19751,6906402,330
19761,4003701,770
New ActsConsolidation ActsTotal
19777903701,160
19788302801,110
19795806601,240
19801,4707802,250
19811,3306902,020
19821,3604001,760
19836605901,250

asked the Minister for the Civil Service if he will list the total number of parliamentary draftsmen who have been working full-time on the preparation of legislation in each of the past 10 years.

The number of parliamentary draftsmen who were working full-time on the preparation of non-Scottish legislation on 1 January in each of the years in question was:

In the Paliamentary Counsel OfficeAt the Law CommissionTotal
197417522
197519524
197619524
197720525
197820525
197920424
198018523
198118422
198217421
198319625

Energy

British Gas Showrooms

asked the Secretary of State for Energy what progress has been made concerning the privatisation of British Gas showrooms.

During the past year the sale of the British Gas interest in Wytch farm and the flotation of Enterprise Oil have been successfully carried through. In gas, as in other industries, the possibilities for further introduction of private capital are being carefully examined.

Coal Industry Dispute

asked the Secretary of State for Energy whether he will make a statement about the miners' strike.

This damaging dispute has been sought and provoked by the NUM leadership and imposed on its own membership without a ballot. There is no justification for this strike. The board's offer is the best in the industry's history and has been accepted by the other unions in the mining industry.No one wishes more than this Government to see an early and constructive settlement to this dispute. Any initiative is welcome if it offers the prospect of a realistic settlement that can offer the industry a good future. The NUM has yet to show that it is interested in such a settlement.

Plutonium (Isotope Composition)

asked the Secretary of State for Energy what information the Central Electricity Generating Board records as to the isotope composition of the plutonium vested in the United Kingdom civil nuclear power programme.

Prime Minister

Children (Boarding Schools)

asked the Prime Minister whether she will publish in the Official Report a table showing the cost to Her Majesty's Government of (a) educating the children of servants of the Crown at boarding schools and (b) financing places in boarding schools for the children of other persons; and if, in each case, she will set out the parental contributions at various income levels compared with the parental contribution to be demanded of those whose children win a place in an institution of higher learning.

The total cost of the various Government boarding allowance schemes for public servants was about £83 million in 1983–84. Such allowances are paid only in appropriately limited circumstances and are not related to income. The only other Government expenditure on boarding fees arises under the aided pupils scheme for music and ballet schools and amounted to some £400,000 in 1983–84. Parental contributions may by required under that scheme, but details of the scale for 1985–86 have yet to be determined. Details of the 1985–86 parental income scale for student grants were set out in the reply of my hon. Friend the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Education and Science to the question by my hon. Friend the Member for Ealing, North (Mr. Greenway) on 14 November 1984 at columns 238–39.

Personal Taxation

asked the Prime Minister what would be (a) the loss of revenue if tax thresholds were raised to £3,000 per year for a single person and £6,000 a year for a married couple and (b) the saving in expenditure if child benefit were abolished; and if she will estimate the financial effect on a man with a wife and two children whose income was £100 per week of (i) each of the above changes and (ii) the introduction of both changes simultaneously.

The cost of raising tax thresholds to the levels specified would be about £12 billion in a full year, at 1984–85 levels of income and allowances. The public expenditure cost of child benefit at the current rate of £6·86 per child per week is about £4,430 million in a full year, on the basis of the number of beneficiaries in 1984–85. A married couple with gross income of £100 per week, where the wife was not working, would pay £613·50 less tax than under the 1984–85 tax regime. They would lose £13·70 per week—£712·40 in a year—from the abolition of child benefit. If the two changes were introduced simultaneously, they would lose £98·90 in a full year.

Common Agricultural Policy

asked the Prime Minister whether the latest agreement on the EEC budget meets the requirement that spending under the common agricultural policy should fall as a proportion of the total; and if she will publish in the Official Report a table showing the percentage of the total budget taken by the common agricultural policy each year since 1972, the anticipated figure in the current year, and the forecast for 1985.

The Council's agreement on budgetary discipline provides that expenditure relating to agricultural markets, as defined for the purposes of the agreement, will increase by less than the rate of growth of the Community's own resources base.Expenditure on the common agricultural policy as a percentage of the total Community budget between 1972 and 1984 is as follows. The 1985 budget has not yet been adopted.

YearPercentage
197289·0
197382·4
197475·4
197578·1
197676·6
197774·3
197879·2
197975·7
198073·3
198165·4
198264·0
198368·6
198470·3
Sources: 1973–77 EC Court of Auditors Reports. 1978–83 EC Commission Financial Reports and Court of Auditors Reports. 1984 supplementary budget.

asked the Prime Minister whether the decision to set aside more money for spending on the common agriculural policy in 1985 implies an increase in agricultural surpluses; and for what surpluses provision has been made in the 1985 budget compared with 1983.

No Community budget has yet been adopted for 1985. Provision is not made in Community budgets for any specific level of surpluses, but some of the expenditure provided for relates to the disposal of surpluses. However, the quantities actually disposed of in any given year will depend upon many factors, including the detailed management of agricultural markets during the year.

Higher Education

asked the Prime Minister whether it is the Government's policy that students in higher education should pursue their studies at an institution within travelling distance from their parents' home regardless of the circumstances.

This Government, like their predecessors, believe that there is merit in students studying from the parental home where that is practicable.

asked the Prime Minister what proportion of the population aged 18 to 21 years receives higher education in the United Kingdom compared with Germany, Japan, France and the United States of America.

Information in the form requested is not readily available. Comparisons of participation rates in higher education between countries are influenced by the structure of higher education in each country, in particular by the age of entry and the length of course. In some countries students enter higher education later than in the United Kingdom and take longer to qualify.A meaningful comparison can be obtained by showing all new entrants to higher education as a percentage of the age group within the typical age range for the country in question. The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development has published statistics on this basis. In the table column 1 shows the age range encompassing at least 70 per cent. of all entrants to full-time higher education in each country, the yearly average size of which forms the basis for the calculation of participation. For example for the United Kingdom the size of the typical year group is the total number of 18 and 19-year-olds divided by two. Column 2 shows new entrants to higher education in 1982 as a percentage of the age group in the typical age range.

Participation in Higher Education 1982
12
Age range covering 70 per cent, of entry to higher educationNumbers entering Higher Education for the first time in 1982 as a percentage of the size of the average year group in Column 1
France*18–2029·0
Germany (Federal Republic)19–2121·2
Japan1834·2
United Kingdom18–1930·0
United States of America1861·7
* Excluding new entrants to "Grandes Ecoles" and some non-university colleges.
Includes new entrants to private colleges.
Full-time and part time.
Excludes post graduates and others known to have a higher education qualification, excludes overseas students.
¶ 1981.

Sources: OECD, "Education Statistics for the United Kingdom" 1984 edition.

asked the Prime Minister what statistical information she has concerning the level of Government contribution to the cost of higher education in the United Kingdom and in other countries so far as the student's contribution is concerned; and if she will publish in the Official Report a table showing for the United Kingdom's principal overseas competitors how central and local government finance the places of students at universities, distinguishing tuition fees from maintenance.

In 1982–83 students' families were asked to contribute a sum equivalent to about 5·6 per cent. of the Government's total expenditure on higher education in the United Kingdom. Information on other countries is not available for the purpose of comparisons with the United Kingdom. The latest available information on the financing of higher education overseas is contained within statistical bulletin 9/84 of the Department of Education and Science, a copy of which is in the Library.

asked the Prime Minister what information she has about the extent to which university students in Germany, France and Italy are required to pay the whole of their tuition fees; and if she will publish in the Official Report a table showing the extent of any derogations from this rule.

I understand that university students are not required to pay tuition fees in the Federal Republic of Germany or in France, but that they are required to do so in Italy. I have no information about any derogations from those practices.

Industry (Financial Aid)

asked the Prime Minister if she will set out systematically the financial aids available from Government to industry, British and foreign; and if she will indicate how Her Majesty's Government intend to exercise their discretionary powers of aid in those areas where these exist.

The broad programmes of assistance offered by a number of Departments are set out in the annual public expenditure White Papers. Details are contained in the annual Estimates. Assistance is available to industry in the United Kingdom irrespective of the nationality of ownership or of controlling interests. A major criterion for aid will continue to be value for money. My hon. Friend the Minister of State, Department of Trade and Industry announced on 28 November the conclusions of the review on regional policy to increase cost effectiveness. My hon. Friend the Minister for Information Technology announced on 12 November a review of support for innovation to the same end.

Social Security Commissioners

asked the Prime Minister if she will list the functions which will be transferred from the Secretary of State for Social Services to the Lord Chancellor in relation to social security commissioners and their office in January 1985.

From 1 January 1985, the Lord Chancellor will have administrative responsibility for the work of the Social Security Commissioners in addition to his current responsibility for their appointment. This change involves a transfer of three sets of functions from the Secretary of State for Social Services to the Lord Chancellor:

  • (a) the remuneration, expenses and pensions of the Commissioners;
  • (b) the administration of their offices in England and Wales (the Secretary of State for Scotland will exercise these responsibilities for the office in Scotland), and
  • (c) the making of regulations with respect to proceedings before them.
  • Ec (Grain Stores)

    asked the Prime Minister what steps she intends to take to press for the release of grain stores from the European Community to ease the degree of famine in Ethiopia.

    The European Council in Dublin agreed on 4 December that the Community and the member states should provide 1·2 million tonnes of grain before the next harvest for countries in Africa affected by drought, including Ethiopia.

    Northern Ireland

    Exchequer Subvention

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what was the amount of the direct subvention by the British Exchequer to Northern Ireland in each financial year since 1968; and what are the amounts budgeted for in future financial years.

    The information is as follows:

    £ million
    1968–6974
    1969–7074
    1970–7188
    1971–72126
    1972–73181
    1973–74312
    1974–75389
    1975–76565
    1976–77620
    1977–78*688
    1978–79848
    1979–80944
    1980–811,090
    1981–821,064
    1982–831,149
    1983–841,305
    1984–851,397
    * Excludes a once for all payment of £250 million to cover redemption of the Northern Ireland Electricity Service borrowing.
    † Provisional.
    Figures are not available for future years.

    Royal Ulster Constabulary

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary and the Royal Ulster Constabulary Reserve are currently estimated to be Catholics; and what proportion this represents of the manpower of the Royal Ulster Constabulary and Royal Ulster Constabulary Reserve separately.

    Although details are not kept of the religious denomination of members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary and its Reserve, I understand that about one tenth of the regular force comes from the Catholic community.

    Firearms Certificates

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will give details of the number of private firearms certificates currently issued in Northern Ireland, together with details of the division of such certificates between the Protestant and Catholic communities; and how many certificates are held by members of the Ulster Defence Regiment and its Reserve and the Royal Ulster Constabulary and its Reserve.

    At 30 November 1984, 85,880 firearms certificates were on issue to persons in Northern Ireland. Of these, 866 were held by members of the Ulster Defence Regiment and 212 by members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary and its Reserve. Information is not kept on the religious denomination of firearm certificate holders.

    Transport

    Motorway Lighting

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport how many miles of the M1 motorway are lit; in which county areas the lit sections are; and what further plans he has to light sections of (a) the M1 motorway and (b) other motorways.

    Sixty-eight miles of the M1 motorway are lit.The other information that my hon. Friend seeks is not readily available, so I shall write to him shortly.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport how much of the M25 is presently unlit; if he will list the sections presently unlit; and if he will estimate the cost of lighting the stretches so far unlit.

    The following sections of the M25, totalling approximately 29 miles, are open to traffic and unlit: junctions 2 to 3, junctions 5 to 6, junctions 6 to 7, junctions 7 to 8, junctions 10 to 11, junctions 11 to 12, junctions 12 to 13—partially lit—junctions 17 to 18 and junctions 18 to 19.The estimated cost, at 1982–83 prices, of lighting these sections of motorway is very approximately £2·7 million, but the final cost could be more depending on the lighting system used.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if in the light of the accident on 11 December on the M25, he will make it his policy to light all stretches of that motorway so far unlit; and if he will make a statement.

    I refer my hon. Friend to the reply I gave to my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Folkestone and Hythe (Mr. Howard) on 12 December 1984, at column 528. It would be premature to reach any conclusions until the examination of all the data is completed.

    Docklands Light Railway

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether any arrangements have been made for the policing of the docklands light railway.

    Arrangements for the policing of this railway, which is due to come into operation in mid-1987, are still under consideration.

    Travel Concessions

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will ensure that travel concessions affected by any legislation concerning buses will be available for all buses, all taxis and all minibuses.

    We are still considering, in the light of the responses to our consultation paper, the availability of concessionary fares on taxi and minibus services. An announcement will be made before the Bill is introduced.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he has any plans to introduce a countrywide scheme of travel concessions or public transport.

    It is for local authorities to decide what arrangements to make for concessionary travel in their areas, and how to help elderly people most effectively within the resources available to them.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will ensure that the Bill concerning buses will guarantee the value of travel concessions; and if he will make a statement.

    under our proposals local authorities will retain the power to decide what level of travel concessions to provide.

    Driving Test

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport how many people during the past year have had to re-take the driving test because they have acquired a physical disability.

    In the 12 months from 1 December 1983 to 30 November 1984, 236 such people were required to take a driving test.

    British Airways

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he is satisfied with the preparations and the arrangements for the public flotation of British Airways; and if he will make a statement.

    Drinking And Driving

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will withdraw his Department's "Keep Low" campaign regarding drinking and driving.

    No. I believe that the campaign has an important part to play in making young people more aware of the dangers of drinking and driving and in encouraging responsible attitudes.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will amend his Department's current advertising campaign concerning drinking and driving so that it does not encourage anyone to partake of alcoholic drinks and then to drive.

    The aim of the campaign is to make young people more aware of the dangers of drinking and driving in a way to which they will respond. The campaign does not offer any encouragement for the view that it is safe to drink before driving, and I believe that the audience at whom it is aimed will understand its message quite clearly.

    Oxford Circus Station (Fire)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether he will provide extra revenue support for London Regional Transport to compensate it for any losses caused by the Oxford Circus station fire.

    I have no plans to do so. London Regional Transport is currently discussing with the assessors the basis of an insurance claim following the station fire at Oxford Circus.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether he has asked the Railways Inspectorate for a report on the Oxford Circus station fire on 23 November.

    The Railway Inspectorate is receiving detailed reports on the fire from London Regional Transport and the London fire brigade. It will study these in the light of its investigation of previous fires at Finsbury Park (1976) and Goodge Street (1981) and will then report on any measures that should be taken to prevent a recurrence, or to improve the handling of emergencies of that kind.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what is the expected cost of reopening Oxford Circus Victoria line platforms to the public.

    London Regional Transport is not yet able to make a firm estimate, but preliminary indications are that the cost of reopening the Victoria and Bakerloo line platforms at Oxford Circus could be in the region of £1 million to £2 million. Further expenditure will be needed to refubish the station to current standards.

    London And Metropolitan Counties

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether, in addition to the studies described in his Department's press notices of 20 November, any further contracts are going to be commissioned to study urban movement and assess problems in London or in other metropolitan counties.

    National Finance

    Value Added Tax

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the present rate of value added tax on children's footwear in each of the 10 member nations of the European Economic Community.

    Young children's footwear is zero rated in the United Kingdom. On the latest available information, the position in other EC countries is understood to be as follows:

    Percentage
    Belgium17
    Denmark22
    France18·6
    Germany14
    Ireland0
    Italy18
    Luxembourg12
    Netherlands19
    VAT has not yet been introduced in Greece.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will take steps to exclude the Post Office's datapost courier service and Argonaut freight forwarding service from the exemption to the Value Added Tax (General) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 1984.

    Amending legislation to exclude the Post Office's datapost service from the exemption will be brought before Parliament early in the new year. The Argonaut freight forwarding service, as it is understood to be currently operating, does not benefit from the exemption.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will list the bodies entitled to take advantage of the provisions of regulation 33 of the Value Added Tax (General) Regulations 1980, as substituted by article 6 of the Value Added Tax (General) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 1984.

    The provisions of regulation 6 of the Value-Added Tax (General) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 1984 are available to any importer who is registered for VAT.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will estimate the amount of tax raised by increasing value added tax to 20 per cent. for (a) all items which currently have 15 per cent. value added tax imposed and (b) all items which currently have 15 per cent. value added tax imposed on them, except those associated with the building trade.

    [pursuant to his reply, 13 December 1984, c. 569]: The estimates of net additional revenue in a full-year are (a) about £4 billion and (b) about £3·8 billion. Estimate (b) assumes that professional building work or repair, maintenance or alteration continues to be taxed at 15 per cent., but that the purchase of DIY materials is taxed at 20 per cent.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is his estimate of the expected amount of value added tax raised in a full year on those areas of the building trade liable to value added tax at 15 per cent.

    [pursuant to his reply, 13 December 1984, c. 569]: A little over £600 million.

    Tobacco Products

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is his estimate of the price elasticity for tobacco products; and if he will make a statement.

    "Official Report"

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer why the Official Report in bound form is now one year behind in publication; and if he will indicate what steps he proposes to take in order to rectify this situation.

    The delay in publication of bound volumes of the Official Report is attributable to delay in the supply of indexes. HMSO is in close touch with the Editor and Librarian with the aim of overcoming its present difficulties.

    Defence

    Crown Proceedings Act 1974

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he has any plans to seek repeal of section 10 of the Crown Proceedings Act 1947.

    I cannot yet add to the answer that I gave to the hon. Member for Linlithgow (Mr. Dalyell) on 31 October, at column 1121.

    Hms Vernon

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he contemplates the release of any land associated with HMS Vernon within the next 18 months.

    HMS Vernon is to be home to both Army and Royal Navy diving training establishments from 1985. A general study, including HMS Vernon into naval requirements in the Portsmouth area is under way. No disposal of land relating to HMS Vernon is envisaged in the next 18 months.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what intention his Department has for the future use of HMS Vernon.

    The Army and Royal Navy diving training establishments are to be collocated at HMS Vernon from 1985. HMS Vernon is included in a current study of the navy's requirements for shore establishments in the Portsmouth area. It is unlikely that this will result in any change of function in the immediate future.

    Warships

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what proportion of the total space available in each type and class of Her Majesty's warships has been taken by accommodation and recreational space over the past 30 years; and how current Royal Navy warships compare in this way with those of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

    The figures requested are not readily available for all classes. However, data for major classes of surface warships currently in service, together with the NATO average and Soviet Krivak class for comparison purposes are as follows:

    ClassPercentage of ship by volume for recreation and accommodationAllocation of space per man (Sq. M)
    Sheffield Class26·73·43
    Broadsword Class23·84·25
    Leander*32·03·59
    NATO Average25·04·32
    Krivak27·04·26
    Notes:
    * The Leander, being a steam ship, carries a larger crew for her size than other classes. Hence the higher proportion of the ship dedicated to accommodation, but lower allocation per man.
    What we know of other modem Soviet warship classes confirms these figures.

    Nato (Improved Capability)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation Defence Ministers at their recent meeting discussed a move by the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation towards the acquisition of improved capability for deep conventional counter-attack.

    I cannot add to the reply my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Defence gave to the hon. Member for Edinburgh, East (Mr. Strang) on 11 December, at column 411.

    Hms Conqueror

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether the turnover log of the radio operator on HMS Conqueror is now in the possession of his Department; and if he will make a statement.

    HMS Conqueror's radio operator's turnover notes are in the possession of my Department.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) if he is satisfied that all signals recorded as having been transmitted (a) from HMS Conqueror to Flag Officer Submarines and (b) from Flag Officer Submarines to HMS Conqueror were properly authorised during the period 1 to 4 May 1982;(2) if, from the records now available to him, there is any evidence of unauthorised signals being sent

    (a) from HMS Conqueror to Flag Officer Submarines or (b) from Flag Officer Submarines to HMS Conqueror during the period 1 to 4 May 1982; and if he will make a statement.

    [pursuant to his reply, 4 December 1984, c. 100]: No signal may be sent without the signature of a releasing officer. We are not aware of any signal sent without this authorisation.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether a permanent record of the movements of HMS Conqueror is made by the ship's internal navigation system.

    [pursuant to his reply, 27 November 1984, c. 410]: A record of HMS Conqueror's position would have been maintained by taking readings from the ship's inertial navigation system. The record is not normally retained permanently but a portion of HMS Conqueror's record has been kept for analysis.

    Mr Brian Moss

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the current posting in the Navy of Mr. Brian Moss, formerly coxswain of HMS Conqueror.

    Lieutenant Sethia (Diary)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether Lieutenant Sethia's diary was entered in HMS Conqueror's register of classified books.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence when his Department became aware of Lieutenant Sethia's diary.

    Extracts, apparently from a diary of a member of HMS Conqueror's crew, were published on a number of occasions from 16 April 1984 onwards. The Ministry of Defence conducted an internal inquiry at the time to try to identify the diarist but failed to do so. It was only on 7 November 1984 that a copy of a diary came into the possession of the Department. I understand that inquiries into the matter are still continuing, and it would not be right for me to say any more about it at this stage.

    Falkland Islands

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will list in the Official Report the number, average gross registered tonnage, type and countries of origin of fishing vessels operating in 1984 on fishing grounds within 150 miles of the Falkland Islands.

    During 1984 the daily average number of fishing vessels detected within the Falkland Islands protection zone has usually varied between 40 and 60. Vessels entering the zone have been registered in the Soviet Union, Poland, Japan, Taiwan, German Democratic Republic, Federal Republic of Germany, Spain, Italy, Bulgaria, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Liberia, Norway, Philippines and Panama. We do not record the precise type or gross tonnage of such fishing vessels generally.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if there has been an increase in the number of fishing vessels operating within 150 miles of the Falkland Islands since July 1982.

    Information is available only from December 1982. The number of vessels fishing within the 150-mile Falkland Islands protection zone has remained of the same order of magnitude over the past two years.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what was the procedure for making a change in the rules of engagement during the Falklands campaign.

    The higher management of the Falklands crisis was conducted by a small group of Ministers chaired by the Prime Minister. Changes in the rules of engagement were normally made by this body, in the light of military and other advice.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence on how many occasions during the Falklands campaign the rules of engagement were altered.

    Often. I am preparing advice for the Foreign Affairs Committee on this subject.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if the right hon. Sir John Nott, since 1 July 1983, has had access to documents relating to changes in the rules of engagement for the Falklands campaign to which he would have had ready access when he was a member of the War Cabinet.

    I understand that Sir John Nott explained the extent of his knowledge of events when he gave evidence to the Foreign Affairs Committee on 5 December. I have nothing to add to what he said then.

    Argentina (Skyhawk Aircraft)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what assessment he has made of the implications for British force levels in the south Atlantic of the acquisition by Argentina of Skyhawk naval aircraft.

    I refer the hon. Member to the answer of my hon. Friend the then Minister for Defence Procurement on 23 July 1984 at column 535.

    Chile (Military Facilities)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many (a) Royal Navy ships and (b) British military aircraft have made use of Chilean facilities at (i) Punta Arenas and (ii) Teniente Marsh on King George Island in the last 12 months.

    No Royal Navy ships or British military aircraft have visited Punta Arenas during the last 12 months. An RAF Hercules used the Chilean antarctic base at Tiniente Ridolfo March Martin on 23 February 1984 to evacuate a casualty from HMS Endurance, and HMS Endurance herself paid a routine call at the base on 29 February.

    General Belgrano

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence at what time Admiral Woodward learned of the visual contact which HMS Conqueror had established with the General Belgrano.

    [pursuant to his reply, 11 December 1984, c. 433]: HMS Conqueror's signal reporting the sighting of the General Belgrano was relayed to Admiral Woodward on the afternoon of 1 May 1982.

    Wessex Helicopter

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he is satisfied with the airworthiness of the Wessex helicopter.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what aircraft will replace the Wessex helicopter; and when it will commence active service.

    No decisions have yet been taken about the aircraft type or in-service date of a replacement for the Wessex helicopter.

    Raf Trainer

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make the placing of specific orders with United Kingdom firms by those countries which may supply the new Royal Air Force trainer his only criterion for judging potential offsets, to the exclusion of potential orders from the countries concerned.

    The decision on a new RAF trainer will take account not only of performance and costs but also of the industrial proposals submitted by the contending firms. In this regard it is important to note that the tenders for the three foreign-designed aircraft all propose that substantial amounts of work would be undertaken in the United Kingdom. However, the wider aspects of potential benefit to British industry will also be taken into consideration.

    Conventional Forces (Central Europe)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if the relative balance of conventional forces in central Europe has changed in the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation's favour since 1980.

    In numercial terms, the relative balance of conventional forces on the central front has remained broadly unchanged since 1980. Over that period the Warsaw pact has maintained its substantial numerical superiority in tanks, artillery pieces and fixed-wing tactical aircraft.

    Scotland

    Mortality Rates

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what are the current infant mortality rates for each social class in Scotland.

    The information for 1983 is contained in table D1·6 of the annual report of the Registrar General for Scotland for that year, a copy of which is in the Library.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what are the current standardised mortality rates for each social class in Scotland.

    Occupational mortality studies are restricted to years close to census years because of the use which is made of census information. As I said in answer to a previous question from the hon. Member on 30 November, at column 610, information for 1979–83 will be published in due course.

    Youth Training Projects (Accidents)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what information he has on the number of deaths and serious accidents sustained on youth training scheme propects in Dundee and Tayside to date.

    For the period 1 April 1983 to 30 September 1984 there were no deaths and one major injury, which was sustained in Dundee.

    Note: MSC accident figures for YTS are compiled on a similar basis to those prepared by the Health and Safety Executive on employed persons. Major injuries are classified according to the severity criteria laid down in the Notification of Accidents and Dangerous Occurrences Regulations 1980.

    Teachers (Pay)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will shortly be making a statement on the request by Scottish teachers' unions for an independent pay review body.

    I refer my hon. Friend to the reply given by my right hon. Friend on 11 December 1984, at columns 399–400, to my hon. Friend, the Member for Stirling (Mr. Forsyth).

    Sexual Assaults

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland when the guidelines for the police on the investigation of sexual assaults are to be issued to the police authorities.

    The Scottish Home and Health Department will shortly seek the views of women's organisations on a draft of revised guidance to the police on the investigation of complaints of sexual assault. The final version of the guidance, a copy of which will be placed in the Library of the House, will be issued to the police when the consultation process has been completed.

    Forestry Commission

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will make it his policy, when announcing the sales of Forestry Commission land in the OfficialReport, to indicate the location of such sales more precisely and to include the species composition of each wood.

    Lists of properties sold by the Forestry Commission have been published in the Official Report from time to time. The latest list, showing the position to 21 October 1984, was contained in my reply to a question from the hon. Member for Falkirk, West (Mr. Canavan) on 4 December 1984, at columns 140–50. In order to meet the hon. Member's request, any lists published in the Official Report of properties sold since that date will include in the case of a woodland an Ordnance Survey grid reference and an indication of whether it consists mainly of broadleaves or of conifers.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) what steps the Forestry Commission takes to seek to ensure that broadleaved woodlands under its care are not converted to conifer plantations after sales into private hands;(2) what steps the Forestry Commission takes to ensure that broadleaved woodlands under its care are not sold to agricultural interests for clear-felling.

    The Forestry Commission does not place constraints of this nature on the sale of broadleaved woodlands. However, apart from a number of statutory exceptions, the clear-felling of trees of more than 8 centimetres (3 in) in diameter requires a licence from the commission, whose policy rests on a general presumption in favour of broadleaved woodland normally being replanted with broadleaved trees after felling.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what is the Forestry Commission's policy regarding public access to woods which are consequently sold into private ownership.

    When a wood is sold by the Forestry Commission the question of public access is one for the new owner. Public rights of way are not affected by changes in ownership.

    Police Operation, Blindwells, East Lothian

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will call for a report from the chief constable of the Lothian and Borders police on the number of police officers and vehicles which were deployed at Blindwells, East Lothian, on the morning of 10 December; what was the cost of this police operation; and what was the purpose of the blocking of traffic on the Tranent-Meadowmill road on that occasion.

    Rural Bus Services

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland when he expects to complete the details of the scheme for the allocation of funds for transitional difficulties in rural areas arising from the White Paper, "Buses".

    Coal Industry Dispute

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what has been the range of fines imposed upon persons convicted of offences related to activities during the miners' dispute for (a) breach of the peace where it is a first offence, (b) vandalism and (c) reckless conduct.

    I understand that in the period to 16 November 1984 fines have been imposed for charges of breach of the peace related to the miners' dispute ranging from £1 to £750 — no information is available on whether these charges were first offences — and that fines for charges of vandalism related to the miners' dispute have ranged from £20 — for vandalism and breach of the peace—to £100. I also understand that no fines were imposed for reckless conduct related to the miners' dispute in this period.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many applications for legal aid have been made by persons charged with offences related to picketing during the miners' dispute; how many have been accepted; and if he will list the figures for each area.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many complaints have been made against the police in relation to activities during the course of the miners' dispute; and how many complaints have been upheld.

    I understand that 23 such complaints have been received by the police. Of these, 10 are currently being investigated by the procurator fiscal or the police force concerned. No criminal or disciplinary charges have been brought following investigation of the others.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many miners charged with offences related to picketing during the miners' dispute have (a) been refused bail and (b) had bail conditions imposed upon them which prevent them from visiting any premises or place for the purpose of picketing or demonstrating in connection with the current trade dispute other than peacefully to picket or demonstrate at their usual place of employment.

    For the first part of his question, I refer the hon. Member to the answer given on 5 December, at columns 346–47, by my hon. and learned Friend the Solicitor-General for Scotland to the hon. Member for Edinburgh, East (Mr. Strang). For the second part, information on the imposition of any special conditions of bail is not available centrally.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what is his latest estimate of the cost of policing during the miners' dispute; and what is his estimate of the cost for each police authority area.

    The information is set out in the following table:

    Police authority areaEstimated cost to mid-November 1984 (£'000)
    Central144
    Dumfries and GallowayNil
    Fife350
    GrampianNil
    Lothian and Borders1,350
    NorthernNil
    Strathclyde1,910
    Police authority areaEstimated cost to mid-November 1984 (£'000)
    Tayside65
    Total3,819

    Note: These figures represent the extra costs incurred during the miners' dispute.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what steps have been taken by chief constables to enable pickets to communicate information to drivers of vehicles.

    I understand that, although practice varies in the light of particular circumstances, the police normally seek to allow a limited number of pickets the opportunity to indicate to drivers their wish to communicate information to them. This accords with the code of practice on picketing. There is no obligation on drivers to receive such information if they do not wish to do so, and pickets have no right under the law to stop drivers, or have them stopped, for this purpose.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what is his estimate of the cumulative numbers of police officers who have been involved in activities associated with the current miners' strike; and if he will list the figure as a proportion of the total police force.

    The information needed for any meaningful estimate of the kind requested is not readily available and could be obtained only at disproportionate cost.

    Police (Riot Training)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland, what is his estimate of the number of police officers who have undergone riot training.

    I estimate, on the basis of information provided by chief constables, that about 6,000 police officers in Scotland have undergone basic or further training in the use of protective equipment or other aspects of handling public disorder.

    Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

    Aerial Crop Spraying

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will list his current powers to control aerial crop spraying.

    We have no powers currently to control aerial spraying, but under the Pesticides Safety Precautions Scheme (PSPS), which is jointly administered by my Department, the Department of Health and Social Security, the Department of the Environment, the Health and Safety Executive and responsible Departments for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, Ministers consider the suitability of chemicals for aerial application. Only certain less toxic pesticides are cleared for application from the air. However, controls over aerial crop spraying are exercised by the Civil Aviation Authority under article 40 of the Air Navigation Order 1980. In addition, the Government are seeking powers in the Food and Environment Protection Bill lo control the supply and use of pesticides. These powers would be sufficiently broad to allow the imposition of environmental safety conditions on aerial application. They would thus complement current controls.

    Forestry

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will give the area of land newly afforested since 1980 to the latest available date in England, making a distinction between coniferous plantations and other forestry schemes.

    Planting statistics are published by the Forestry Commission in its annual reports. During the period 1 April 1980 to 31 March 1984, a total of 6,548 hectares of new planting—4,927 hectares of conifers and 1,621 hectares of broadleaves—was carried out in England by the Forestry Commission and by the private sector with the aid of grants from the commission.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will give the area of land newly afforested since January 1980 to the latest available date in England; and if he will indicate the proportions planted by the Forestry Commission and private landowners, respectively.

    Planting figures are compiled centrally on the basis of financial years beginning 1 April. During the period 1 April 1980 to 31 March 1984, a total of 6,548 hectares of new planting was undertaken in England, of which 1,854 hectares were planted by the Forestry Commission and 4,694 hectares by the private sector with the aid of grants from the commission.

    Forestry Commission

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food why it is the policy of the Forestry Commission not to inform county councils of sales of woodlands in their own counties.

    This information is already available to county councils and other bodies through the regular notices of possible woodland sales that the Forestry Commission places in the Estates Gazette. These notices, which are given in advance of general advertising, cover woodlands of five hectares and over and those smaller woodlands in respect of which there is a known conservation or amenity interest.

    Wheat

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what was the average on-farm selling price of wheat in the United Kingdom for each of the years 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983 and 1984 to date.

    The information requested is as follows:

    Weighted average ex-farm price of wheat in the United Kingdom
    £/tonne)
    Year
    197995·92
    198099·30
    1981108·92
    1982113·74
    1983124·81

    The average for January to September 1984, the latest period for which detailed data are available, is £119·60. For the year as a whole, I expect the average price to be lower as a result of low prices since the 1984 harvest. The weighted average ex-farm price of wheat for the week ending 6 December was £109·03 per tonne.

    Intervention Stores

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, pursuant to his answer to the hon. Member for Walsall, North of 7 December, Official Report, column 295, where the other intervention stores for surplus EEC agriculture produce are sited; and what is the amount of food stored, broken down into each class of produce.

    Agriculture And Horticulture (Grants)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will list all the grants, by category, which are available to the agricultural and horticultural industries from Government funds, and the total sums paid by category in 1983.

    The information cannot readily be provided on a calendar year basis, but the grants available to the agriculture and horticulture industries and the total sums paid under each scheme in 1983–84 are set out in the Appropriation Accounts forClass HI Vote 2

    • (Volume 3: HC614-III published on 29 October 1984, covering England and Northern Ireland)

    Class XV Vote 1

    • (Volume 10: HC614-X published on 30 October 1984, covering Scotland)

    Class XVI Vote 2

    • (Volume 11: HC614-XI published on 30 October 1984, covering Wales)

    This information was summarised on a United Kingdom basis in the reply given on 6 December to my hon. Friend the Member for Basingstoke (Mr. Hunter).

    Fish Farms

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what evidence he has of ecological damage to rivers caused by discharges from fish farms.

    I am aware of a report by the Wessex water authority which suggests that fish farm discharges are responsible for changes in the population of invertebrate animals in rivers for a relatively short distance downstream of fish farms. I am not, however, aware of any evidence that these changes have caused significant ecological damage to the rivers concerned, nor of any evidence of such damage being caused by fish farms elsewhere.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he is satisfied with the existing pollution controls for fish farms.

    I am satisfied that water authorities have sufficient statutory powers to control fish farm discharges.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will list the grants available to fish farmers.

    Fish farmers may be eligible for grants under the following schemes, of which the first two are specifically designed to assist fish farmers:

    SchemeRate of Grant
    Council Regulation (EEC) 2908/83: Construction, equipment or modernisation of fish farming installations25 per cent.
    Fish Farming (Financial Assistance) Scheme 1984Up to 5 per cent.*
    Council Regulation (EEC) 355/77: Processing and marketing of agricultural and fishery products25 per cent.
    UK Agricultural Products Processing and Marketing (Improvement Grant) Regulations 1977 and 1983Up to 8 percent.†
    Agriculture and Horticulture Development Scheme5 per cent. Standard Area
    10 per cent. Less Favoured Area
    Agricultural and Horticultural Co-operation SchemeUp to 33⅓ per cent, formation costs
    Up to 75 per cent, surveys
    Industrial Development Act 1982Negotiable according to circumstances
    * This scheme provides the necessary back-up grant for projects approved under Council Regulation (EEC) 2908/83.
    † This scheme provides the necessary back-up grant for projects approved under Council Regulation (EEC) 355/77.

    Beef And Lamb

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what change has taken place in consumer demand for beef and lamb, respectively, since 1979.

    [pursuant to his reply, 11 December 1984, c. 436]: Information from the national food survey indicates that between the first three quarters of 1979 and the first three quarters of 1984 household consumption of beef and sheepmeat fell by 26 per cent. and 21 per cent., respectively.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what has been the percentage change in the retail price of beef and lamb, respectively, since 1979.

    [pursuant to his reply, 11 December 1984, c. 436]: Data collected for inclusion in the retail price index indicate that, between October 1979 and October 1984, the average retail price of beef and sheepmeat increased by 37 per cent. and 25 per cent., respectively. Over the same period the retail price index increased by 52 per cent.

    Food And Environment Protection Bill

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many meetings either he or members of his Department have had with representatives of the British Agriculture Association to discuss the Food and Environment Protection Bill [Lords].

    Officials of my Department have met representatives of the British Agrochemicals Association three times.

    Research

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he will give figures for public expenditure on research into (a) integrated pest management, (b) electrostatic spraying, (c) controlled droplet application and (d) pesticide toxicology, chemistry and efficacy, in each case for each year since 1970, and the estimated expenditure in each case for the future.

    The information for 1983–84 is as follows:

    £ million
    Estimated expenditure on research into
    (a) Integrated pest management*†2·20
    (b) Electrostatic spraying‡1·05
    (c) Controlled droplet application‡
    (d) Pesticide toxicology, chemistry and efficacy4·90
    Totals8·15
    * The figures for integrated pest management include work on the development of non-chemical melhods of control, such as favouring populations of natural predators of pests. They also include work on forecasting disease and pest development and the identification of thresholds of development at which it is economic to apply chemical treatments in an attempt to reduce the number of times pesticides might be applied.
    † The figure may be an underestimate. Other work done within commodity commissions cannot easily be extracted from genera) crop protection studies.
    ‡ MAFF, in its classification of research, does not differentiate between electrostatic sprayers and controlled droplet applicators, both employ controlled droplet techniques.
    Information for earlier years could be obtained only at disproportionate cost. Work in future years will be determined by the needs of the Ministry and the agriculture and horticulture industries.

    Herring Quotas (North Sea)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what was the outcome of the meeting of the Council of Fisheries Ministers of the European Community held on 10 and 11 December in relation to the herring quotas in the North sea and other fisheries matters; and if he will make a statement.

    The Council of Fisheries Ministers did not meet on 10 or 11 December, but it is now expected to meet on 19 December.

    Ec (Expenditure Totals)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how planned expenditure totals in the common agricultural policy in 1984–85 and 1985–86 differ; and what are the reasons for the change in expenditure plans.

    The Community budget is operated on a calendar year basis. The provision for expenditure under the common agricultural policy in 1984 is 19,146 million ecu. The 1985 budget has not yet been adopted.

    Ec (Budget Discipline)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food at which meetings of the European Economic Community Council of Agriculture Ministers in 1984 the financial guidelines on budget discipline have been discussed; and what was the result of each discussion.

    The principles of Community budgetary discipline, including specific controls on the growth of agricultural expenditure, were laid down by Heads of Government in the European Council. The detailed arrangements on how the agreement should be given effect through the Community's budget procedures were not discussed by the Council of Agriculture Ministers as they were mainly a matter for the Council of Economic and Finance Ministers. The resultant conclusions have been adopted in the name of the Council as a whole.

    Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

    Entry Certificates

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what arrangements have been made to inform applicants for entry clearance of any charge for entry certificates; if charges will be levied on grant or on application; what extra staff time and other costs are estimated to be required in collection of fees; if people waiting in queues will be charged retrospectively; if charges will apply to minor children; and if where joint applications occur there will be one charge or two.

    British missions overseas have been asked to give appropriate publicity to the introduction of the fee for an entry certificate. Charges will be levied on application. Extra staff time and other costs are expected to be negligible. Retrospective charges will not be levied. A charge will apply to a minor when travelling on a separate passport. Where dependants are included in the passport of a husband or parent and are travelling together, one fee will be charged.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if unsuccessful applicants for entry clearance will receive a refund of fees.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if British overseas citizens and British dependent territories citizens will be charged fees for entry clearance.

    Entry certificates issued to British overseas citizens and British Dependent Teuitories citizens will attract a fee.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs when fees for entry certificates are to be introduced; what consultation he has undertaken with interested organisations; what consultation he has undertaken with the Governments of Commonwealth countries; what information has been issued; and to whom it has been issued.

    Fees for entry certificates will be introduced from 1 January 1985. There was no consultation with outside bodies before the announcement to Parliament. Commonwealth Governments have been informed.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if the introduction of fees for entry certificates will cause any delay for women and children applying for certificates of entitlement or passports.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what representations have been received opposing his proposals to introduce fees for entry certificates.

    Representations on the matter have been made in the House. My Department has received letters from two Members of Parliament and from one immigrant organisation.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will set out the appeal procedure he proposes, if fees are charged for entry certificates, for applicants who are refused clearance on the sole ground of failure to pay the fee.

    Payment of the fee will be part of the process for applying for entry certificates. An appeal lies to an adjudicator against the refusal of an entry certificate only where an application has been duly made—section 13(2) of the Immigration Act 1971. No right of appeal exists in respect of any fee at present levied under the provisions of the consular fees order and it is not intended to introduce any additional appeal provisions.

    Ethiopia

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if Her Majesty's Government have made representations to the Ethiopian Government about the denial of human rights in Ethiopia.

    We have made continued representations to the Ethiopian authorities about human rights. I raised the issue both with Ethiopian Ministers during my visit to Addis Ababa in July and more recently with the Ethiopian ambassador in London. My right hon. Friend the Minister for Overseas Development also raised the matter during his visit to Addis Ababa last month.

    Treaty Obligations

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what steps Her Majesty's Government take to ensure that treaty obligations entered into by Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom under the treaty of Lausanne and more particularly the convention respecting the Thracian frontier and article 1(2) thereof, are observed.

    We have no reason to believe that we are not adequately discharging any obligation imposed upon us by the treaty of Lausanne. The convention respecting the Thracian frontier was superseded by an agreement signed at Salonika on 31 July 1938, to which we are not a party.

    Lemnos

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what information he has as to those Greek forces now present on, or attached to, the island of Lemnos.

    The information we have on Greek military dispositions comes to us in confidence as a NATO ally.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what representations Her Majesty's Government have made to Greece following the militarisation of the island of Lemnos by Greece.

    Trade And Industry

    British Telecom

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what was the cost to public funds of returning money to applicants for shares in British Telecom whose desired allocation was not met in full or not met at all.

    Computer Software (Export)

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will make a statement on his meeting with the Computer Services Association on 14 December to discuss the impact of the new COCOM regulation on the export of software.

    Officials of my Department met representatives of the Computer Services Association on 14 November and 14 December to discuss the details of the agreement reached in COCOM on future controls on exports of computer software of strategic importance and the arrangements for implementation. The views of industry representatives will be taken into account in drawing up the new licensing arrangements.

    Brother Corporation

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry (1) what discussions have taken place between his Department, the Brother Corporation and various regional development authorities, about the siting of a Brother factory in the United Kingdom for the manufacture of typewriters; and if he will make a statement;(2) how many jobs would be directly or indirectly lost or threatened in Britain if the Brother Corporation were to abandon its plans to open up a new typewriter factory in the United Kingdom.

    My Department frequently holds discussions with Japanese companies which may be considering establishing United Kingdom manufacturing facilities, but such discussions remain confidential between the Department and the companies concerned.

    Japanese Typewriters

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what is the Government's policy on current moves being considered by the EEC to take anti-dumping moves against Japanese typewriters.

    The European Commission opened an anti-dumping investigation into imports of electronic typewriters from Japan on 24 March 1984 following a complaint by the Committee of European Typewriter Manufacturers. The investigation is now nearing completion: both producer and consumer interests have been consulted. It is understood that provisional remedies are to be announced shortly, and these will be studied carefully by my Department. At this stage, any proposals are confidential.

    European Regional Development Fund

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry precisely what share of the European regional development fund the Government anticipate the United Kingdom will receive from January 1985 in order to make financial provisions for public expenditure; and if any receipts over and above this level will be available for additional spending by local authorities.

    Anticipated United Kingdom receipts from the ERDF from 1985 will be shown in the public expenditure White Paper to be published early in the new year.These receipts are related to commitments entered into by the Commission previously and can thus be estimated with reasonable accuracy. The question of unexpected receipts does not therefore arise.

    Employment

    Tourism

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment (1) if he will change the presentation of classes of employment in the Employment Gazette in order to show the number of people employed in tourism;(2) if he will collect and publish accurate statistics on an annual basis, showing the number of people employed in the tourism industry in England.

    Estimates of the numbers of employees working in the industries which are most clearly related to tourism in Great Britain were given in the article on "Overseas travel and tourism" published in British Business on 9 November 1984 and will be updated quarterly. The figures are also regularly published in Employment Gazette and relate to total employment in the hotel and catering trades; in libraries, museums, art galleries and so on; and in sports and other recreational services. There are also many other industries which serve tourists, such as retail distribution, transport, banking and so on. Few of these industries are wholly devoted to tourism. It is not possible to distinguish that part of employment in these industries which is generated by tourism from other employment because businesses do not keep detailed records of the type of their customers. Nor would it be feasible to collect on a regular basis from tourists a detailed breakdown of their expenditure in these industries. It is therefore not possible to collect and publish accurate statistics of employment in tourism on an annual basis. However, the most reliable indication of trends is provided by the statistics now published in British Business which shows quarterly employment in the industries most heavily dependent on tourism.Separate figures for England for the industries which are most clearly related to tourism are available only when the detailed census of employment is carried out. Figures for September 1981 were published in the supplement to the December 1983 issue of

    Employment Gazette. figures for September 1984 will be published in due course.

    Industrial Training Boards And Skillcentres

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment (1) what research has been (a) commissioned, (b) completed and (c) published at the instigation of himself or the Manpower Services Commission since 1979 into the role of industrial training boards, including the effectiveness of voluntary arrangements to replace the functions of former statutory industrial training boards; and if he will give a progress report of all such research not yet published and a list of all such research;(2) how many proposals for new courses and projects have been

    (a) made and (b) approved in the last two years in respect of the skillcentres that have been proposed for closure;

    (3) what information he has about the profitability of the skillcentres that have been proposed for closure.

    Average Earnings

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will list his Department's latest estimates of average gross weekly earnings of full-time workers in Wales, England, Scotland, and the United Kingdom.

    The latest figures on the average earnings of full-time adult employees working a full week relate to April 1984. Separate details for Wales, for England, for Scotland and for Great Britain are given in tables 12 and 13 of New Earnings Survey 1984, part A, a copy of which is in the Library. Comparable 1984 figures for the United Kingdom are not yet available.

    Labour Statistics

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many people in the following age categories ore unemployed in Liverpool: 16 to 17, 17 to 18, 18 to 19, 19 to 20, 20 to 21, 21 to 22, 22 to 23, 23 to 24 and 24 to 25 years; and if he will make a statement.

    Information on unemployment in the 16, 17, 18, 19, and 20 to 24 years age groups for the old Liverpool travel-to-work area is available in the House of Commons Library. Corresponding information for the new travel-to-work areas will become available next year.

    Work Force (Statistics)

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what has been the increase or decrease in the work force from 1979 to 1984 in (a) the United Kingdom, (b) the United States of America, (c) West Germany, (d) France and (e) Japan.

    The latest available information is in respect of total civilian employment, and is shown in the following table.

    Change in civilian employment, 1979 quarter 2 to 1984 quarter 2

    000'

    United Kingdom-1,352
    United States+6,734
    West Germany-896
    France*-341
    Japan+2,803

    * 1978 quarter 4 to 1983 quarter 4. Includes persons in professional training.

    Includes armed forces.

    Source: OECD 'Quarterly Labour Force Statistics'; except United Kingdom, Employment Gazette.

    Solicitor-General For Scotland

    Coal Industry Dispute

    asked the Solicitor-General for Scotland what are the latest available figures for the number of persons charged with offences related to picketing during the miners' dispute, the numbers of persons against whom proceedings have been taken, the numbers of persons convicted, and in each case, the offences with which persons have been charged.

    The most readily available information on the number of persons arrested, proceeded against by procurators fiscal and convicted in respect of offences arising out of the present miners' dispute is as follows.In the period to 7 December1984, 1,406 persons have been arrrested in connection with such offences; in the period to 28 November 1984, 827 persons have been proceeded against by procurators fiscal and 208 persons have been convicted in respect of such offences. Information on the nature of offences in respect of which charges have been brought by procurators fiscal and persons have been convicted is contained in my replies given to the hon. Member for Hammersmith (Mr. Soley) on 4 December 1984 at columns

    102–103.

    asked the Solicitor-General for Scotland if he has issued any guidance to chief constables about the use of their powers which enable them to seek to limit the number of people picketing at any particular entry to a place of work.

    Neither my noble and learned Friend the Lord Advocate nor I have issued any such guidance to chief constables.

    Home Department

    Young Prisoners

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what was the actual remand population of each remand centre for young prisoners aged (a) 15 to 16 years and (b) 17 to 21 years, on the last day of November 1983, May 1984, August 1984, September 1984 and October 1984.

    Untried and convicted unsentenced prisoners *aged 15 and under 21 in remand centres in England and Wales at month end: by age and remand centre

    Estimated number

    Remand Centre

    November 1983

    May 1984

    August 1984

    September 1984

    October 1984

    15–16

    17–20

    15–16

    17–20

    15–16

    17–20

    15–16

    17–20

    15–16

    17–20

    Ashford4296290230512762319
    Brockhill1121219220162221823419213
    Cardiff23245428239331
    Chelmsford9512221561471167
    Exeter132231262153246
    Glen Parva61261315211141111468145
    Latchmere House19761576197227712183
    Low Newton8176151961819172229220
    Manchester51755148718641589171
    Norwich351168546246145
    Puklechurch27387180285289
    Risley92361232014251123007277
    Swansea3271312113134
    Thorp Arch82151721211217921315214
    Winchester3645115756172
    TOTAL841,8861042,0581092,035972,0771002,126

    * The figures are those recorded centrally and are approximate: detailed checking of individual cases would involve disprportionate cost.

    Young Persons (Remand)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many young persons, male and female, aged (a) 15 to 16 years and (b) 17 to 21 years have been held on remand in adult establishments so far during 1984.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is the current certifiable normal accommodation for all male and female youth custody establishments in England and Wales.

    The certified normal accommodation (CNA) for youth custody centres is as follows:

    Number
    Male
    Aylesbury294
    Castington180
    Deerbolt300
    Dover232
    Erlestoke120
    Everthorpe304
    Exeter45
    Feltham256
    Finnamore Wood79
    Glen Parva480
    Grendon69
    Guys Marsh227
    Hatfield176
    Hewell Grange136
    Hindley323
    Hollesley Bay Colony425
    Huntercombe188
    Lowdham Grange304
    Northallerton127
    Onley420
    Portland520
    Rochester367
    Stoke Heath360
    Swinfen Hall182
    Usk120
    Wellingborough344
    Wetherby226
    Total6,804
    Number
    Female
    Bullwood Hall77
    Drake Hall72
    East Sutton Park42
    Styal83
    Total274
    Youth custody trainees are also held in the young offenders prison at Chelmsford (CNA for sentenced inmates 173) and in smaller units, for which CNA is not available separately, in other adult prisons and remand centres.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what was the actual population of all youth custody establishments in England and Wales on the last day of November 1983, May 1984, August 1984, September 1984 and November 1984.

    The available information is given in the following table:

    Sentenced population* of youth custody centres in England and Wales and Chelmsford prison at month end
    Estimated number
    Youth custody centresChelmsford prison
    November 19836,860300
    May 19847,060260
    August 19846,800180
    September 19846,650170
    * Including fine defaulters.
    Rounded.
    Chelmsford prison takes youth custody trainees.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) how many young males and females aged between 15 and 21 years were being held in young prisoner wings of adult prisons on the last day of November 1983, May 1984, August 1984, September 1984 and November 1984;(2) how many young males and females aged between 15 and 21 were being held in other adult prisons on the last day of November 1983, May 1984, August 1984, September 1984 and November 1984.

    The readily available information is given in the following table:

    Untried, convicted unsentenced and sentenced prisoners aged 15 and under 21 in adult prisons in England and Wales at month end: by sex and type of prison
    Number*
    November 1983May 1984August 1984September 1984
    MaleFemaleMaleFemaleMaleFemaleMaleFemale
    Adult prisons with remand units/wings for prisoners aged under 21487500408390
    Remand centres taking remand prisoners of all ages1,026511,096551,074491,09848
    Other adult prisons1,004741,045112929761,00587
    * The figures are those recorded centrally and are approximate; detailed checking of individual cases would involve disproportionate cost.
    Cardiff, Dorchester, Exeter, Liverpool, Manchester, Norwich, Swansea and Winchester.
    Ashford, Low Newton, Manchester, Pucklechurch and Risley.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what was the average length of sentence for young males and females sentenced to periods of youth custody aged between (a) 15 and 16 years, (b) 16 and 17 years and (c) 17 to 21 years during the 12 months following the implementation of part I, sections 1 to 10 of the Criminal Justice Act 1982.

    The available information is given in the following table. Some information was also published in paragraph 7.22 of "Criminal Statistics, England and Wales 1983" (Cmnd. 9349). Corresponding information for 1984 is not yet available.

    Average length of sentence of youth custody given to persons aged 15 and under 21 years sentenced at all courts in England and Wales
    2 May—31 December 1983Months
    AgeMalesFemales
    1565
    1665
    17 and under 21105

    Detention Centres (Statistics)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) how many young males aged between 14 and 21 years were sentenced to periods in detention centres in the year following the implementation of part I, sections 1 to 10, of the Criminal Justice Act 1982;(2) how many young males and females aged between 15 and 21 years were sentenced to periods of youth custody in the year following the implementation of part I, sections 1 to 10, of the Criminal Justice Act 1982;(3) if he will produce comparative statistical tables outlining the number of youths sentenced to periods of detention centre and imprisonment for the last two years.

    The available information on sentencing in 1982 and 1983 is published in "Criminal Statistics, England and Wales, Supplementary Tables" (table SI.1(a) of Vol. 1 for magistrates' courts and table S2.1(a) for the Crown court) and for indictable offences is summarised in table 7A of "Criminal Statistics, England and Wales, 1983" (Cmnd. 9349). My right hon. and learned Friend plans to publish soon a statistical bulletin giving information on the use of the new sentencing structure for young offenders in the first half of 1984.

    Entry Certificates

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if, in the event of introduction of fees for entry certificates, he will instruct immigration officers in cases where prior entry clearance is optional, to decide whether to admit notwithstanding any absence of prior entry clearance.

    The introduction of a fee for entry certificates will not affect the examination of passengers by immigration officers in accordance with the immigration rules.

    Police And Fire Services

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he has any plans to encourage the extension of privatisation of services within the police and fire services.

    My right hon. and learned Friend hopes that police and fire authorities will consider the scope for contracting out support services in connection with the theme of value for money contained in his speech on 7 November to the Association of County Councils, copies of which have been deposited with the Library of the House.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what criteria he uses to approve capital projects such as centralised vehicle repair workshops within the police services.

    The basic criterion applied is that of operational need. Thereafter, detailed project cost control procedures are applied to the actual design proposals.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what criteria he uses when considering whether or not to approve capital projects, such as centralised command and control systems, within the police forces.

    In considering proposals for major equipment by the Metropolitan police, my right hon. and learned Friend, as police authority, expects to see an investment appraisal which sets out the objectives; the options which have been considered; the costs and benefits of each option; an assessment of the effect on police and civilian manpower; purchasing and financing proposals; and other relevant considerations.

    As for such purchases by other forces in England and Wales, the Department has asked to be informed of major police computer projects and provides guidance to chief officers and police authorities as appropriate. Further guidance will shortly be issued on the considerations to be taken into account in order to ensure that value for money is obtained.

    Coal Industry Dispute

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will make a statement on the recent deployments of the Metropolitan police in connection with the miners' strike.

    The chief officers of the aided forces are responsible for the deployment of officers provided under the mutual aid arrangements.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is his estimate of the cumulative numbers of police officers who have been involved in activities associated with the current miners' strike; and if he will list the figure as a proportion of the total police force.

    This information is not available centrally, and could be obtained only at disproportionate cost.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what are the latest available figures for the numbers of persons charged with offences relating to picketing during the miners' dispute, the numbers of persons against whom proceedings have been taken, the numbers of persons convicted, and, in each case, the offences with which persons have been charged.

    In the period from 13 March to 11 December inclusive, 7,314 people were charged with offences in connection with the miners' dispute. Of those, 3,903 cases were dealt with by the courts during the same period, 3,040 of which resulted in convictions. The information available centrally about the offences for which charges were brought during this period is as follows:

    OffenceNumber of charges
    Section 5 of the Public Order Act 1936 (conduct conducive to a breach of the peace)3,801
    Obstructing a police constable1,616
    Obstruction of the highway619
    Criminal damage906
    Criminal damage with intent to endanger life4
    Arson15
    Assaulting a police constable312
    Assault occasioning actual bodily harm348
    Assault occasioning grievous bodily harm37
    Theft197
    Resisting arrest18
    Offensive weapons47
    Section 7 of the Conspiracy and Protection of Property Act 1875 (intimidation)270
    Burglary29
    Handling stolen property1
    Drug offence1
    Breach of the peace168
    Breach of bail conditions30
    Attempt (various offences)18
    Drunkenness59
    Unlawful assembly509
    OffenceNumber of charges
    Railway offences18
    Affray21
    Riot137
    Incitement1
    Reckless driving15
    Threats/conspiracy to cause damage12
    Explosives offence3
    Threats to kill3
    Unlawful imprisonment2
    Other offences205
    Total9,422
    The number of charges is higher than the number of people charged because some people were charged with more than one offence.Information about the offences of which persons were convicted is not available centrally and could be obtained only at disproportionate expense.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what has been the range of fines imposed upon persons convicted of offences related to activities during the miners' dispute for (a) breach of the peace, (b) vandalism and (c) reckless conduct in all cases where these have been first offences.

    This information is not available centrally and could be obtained only at disproportionate cost. Between 13 March and 11 December inclusive. a total of 1,937 fines were imposed following convictions for offences committed in connection with the miners' dispute. The range of fines was as follows:

    Number
    Under £106
    £10-£24151
    £25-£49292
    £50-£74360
    £75-£99483
    £100-£149391
    £150-£19988
    £200 and above166

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many complaints have been made against the police in relation to activities during the course of the miners's dispute; and how many complaints have been upheld.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many miners, charged with offences related to picketing during the miners' dispute, have (a) been refused bail and (b) had bail conditions imposed upon them which prevent them from visiting any premises or place for the purpose of picketing or demonstrating in connection with the current trade dispute other than peacefully to picket or demonstrate at their usual place of employment.

    The information requested is not readily available and could be obtained only at disproportionate cost.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is his latest estimate of the cost of policing during the miners' dispute; and what is his estimate of the cost for each police authority area.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will give the actual or estimated cost to date of policing the dispute between the National Coal Board and the National Union of Mineworkers.

    We are not keeping a running total of the costs. For the purpose of the winter Supplementary Estimate for Class IX Vote 6, presented to the House on 20 November, we have estimated that the additional expenditure up to the end of October would be about £140 million. We have made no estimate of the costs in each police area. The Home Office has so far paid to police authorities in England and Wales advances of police grant and of the special payment which my right hon. and learned Friend is making available on expenditure totalling £103 million.

    Isle Of Man (Fisheries Meeting)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department by which Department the interests of the Northern Ireland fishing industry were represented at the meeting of the joint standing committee on common interests of the Isle of Man and the United Kingdom in the Isle of Man of 5 December.

    Fishery issues were not on the agenda; there was therefore no requirement for any such representation.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what fisheries matters were discussed at the recent joint standing committee in the Isle of Man.

    Police (Establishment)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department for which police authorities in the six metropolitan county areas the actual manpower numbers are (a) below established and (b) above established levels.

    The position on 31 October 1984 was as follows:

    Police authorityAuthorised police establishmentActual strength
    (a) Below authorised establishment
    Greater Manchester6,9436,810
    Northumbria3,3573,354
    South Yorkshire2,8722,844
    West Midlands6,6846,569
    West Yorkshire5,1545,060
    (b) Above authorised establishment
    Merseyside*4,6074,620
    * 26 posts supernumary to the authorised police establishment have been approved, bringing the total number of authorised posts to 4,633.

    Prevention Of Terrorism (Statistics)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) why the statistics on the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1974, 1976 and 1984, published after 30 April, no longer include in table 3 (persons detained under the Acts by police force area), the numbers of persons detained in individual police districts except for the Metropolitan and Merseyside area in England and for Dumfries and Galloway in Scotland; why he has ceased to publish any details of the extensions of detention granted in any police districts; and whether he will ensure resumption of publication of this information in the future and provide it for the two intervening quarters for which information has not been published;(2) if he will make a statement as to why his Department, in the two most recent editions of statistics on the operation of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Acts, has ceased to provide the information hitherto included under table 4 (persons detained under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Acts and charged with offences under these Acts by section under which charged and outcome), and under table 5 (persons detained under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Acts and charged only with criminal offences other than under the Acts

    (a) by principal offence and (b) where charged and outcome of charge); and if he will ensure that publication of these tables is resumed in the fourth quarter of 1984 and that the tables giving relevant information for the operation of the Act in the intervening quarters for which information has not been published will be made available;

    (3) if he will again commence publication of statistics of extensions of detention granted under the Prevention of Terrorism Acts; and if he will make a statement.

    Information on extensions of detention continues to be published in tables 1 and 2 of the quarterly statistical bulletin on the operation of the prevention of terrorism legislation. The more detailed information referred to is no longer published regularly each quarter bcause of the small numbers involved. As stated in note 8 to the latest statistical bulletin, issued on 25 October 1984 (No. 25/84), it is planned to publish the details of offences and sentencing of persons detained under the Acts and subsequently charged with offences in the fourth quarter bulletin in January 1985. This bulletin will also contain details on the geographical distribution of detentions and extensions of detention.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what are the reasons for the appearance in the two most recent statistical bulletins on the operation of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Acts of a category of persons examined for up to 12 hours which are not included in persons detained under the Acts; when persons were first so examined but not detained; if he will make available the figures for persons examined but not detained under the Acts for prior periods; and if he will make a statement.

    This information was included in statistical bulletins Nos. 17/84 and 25/84 in response to the recommendation in paragraph 145 of Earl Jellicoe's report "Review of the Operation of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1976" (Cmnd. 8803). Information on persons examined for more than an hour but not detained is not available before 27 March 1984, when the supplemental provisions of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1984 came into force.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will publish a table showing the ratio between the number of persons detained under the Prevention of Terrorism Acts from 29 November 1974 to 31 December 1983 to the number of such persons being subject to applications for extensions of detention for each police force area; what conclusions he draws between differences in these ratios for different police force areas; and if he will make a statement.

    The proportion of detentions for which an extension was granted in the period 29 November 1974 to 31 December 1983 can be calculated, by police force area, from table 2 of Home Office statistical bulletin issue 2/84. Such percentages vary widely from one police force area to another because the type of cases involved may vary widely. All extensions of detention have to be approved by the Secretary of State and applications from all police force areas are dealt with on the same basis.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will review the operation of schedule 3 and articles 6 and 8 of the Prevention of Terrorism (Supplementary Provisions) Order 1984, with particular reference to the number of custodial sentences imposed; and if he will make a statement.

    Information about the sentences of those convicted of offences under the prevention of terrorism legislation during 1984 will be included in a statistical bulletin to be published in January.

    Public Order Act 1936

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he proposes to complete his review of the Public Order Act 1936.

    My right hon. and learned Friend hopes to complete his review of the Public Order Act 1936 and related legislation by the end of this year.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department which aspects of activities during the course of the present miners' dispute are now the subject of investigation associated with his review of the Public Order Act 1936.

    In my right hon. and learned Friend's review, and in his consideration of the Law Commission's report on offences against public order, he is naturally taking account of the disorder and violence which has occurred during the miners' dispute.

    Picketing

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he has issued any guidance to chief constables about the use of their powers enabling them to seek to limit the number of people picketing at any particular entry to a place of work.

    No. I am satisfied that chief officers of police are aware of the relevant law and police powers, to which my right hon. and learned Friend referred in his statement on picketing at collieries on 15 March, at columns 512–21, and of which my right hon. and learned Friend the Attorney-General gave a full account in his reply on 26 March, at columns 21–22, to a question from my hon. Friend the Member for South Hams (Mr. Steen).

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what steps have been taken by chief constables to enable pickets to communicate information to drivers of vehicles.

    I understand that the practice of the police has varied according to local circumstances. But in any event there is no obligation on drivers to stop to receive such information if they do not wish to do so.

    Police (Riot Training)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is his estimate of the number of police officers who have undergone riot training.

    A360 (Road Block)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will call for a report from the appropriate chief constable as to the purpose of the road block on the A360 by the Westdown camp on the Tilshead to 'West Lanington road on 11 December; how many cars were stopped; whey they were stopped; on whose authority; with what result; and why cars of Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament members were not allowed to proceed along the road.

    The chief constable of Wiltshire tells me that no police road blocks were operated on that stretch of road on that day.

    Interception Of Communications

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he intends to introduce the Bill to deal with interception of communications; and if he will make a statement.

    After Christmas; the Bill will be preceded by a White Paper setting out in detail its scope and content.

    Lion Intoximeter 3000

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what has been the percentage take-up of blood and urine tests by persons also tested with the Lion Intoximeter 3000; if he is satisfied with the take-up; what steps he is taking to increase the take-up; and if he will make a statement.

    In the period 6 May to 31 December 1983 57 per cent. of those tested on the Lion Intoximeter who had readings in the range 40–50 microgrammes of alcohol to 100 millitres of breath went on to request a blood or urine test. We estimate, on the basis of available information, that around 60 per cent. of those tested on the intoximeter during the period 1 January 1984 to 15 April 1984 who had readings in this range requested a blood or urine test. In the period 15 April to 15 October a blood or urine test requested by 69 per cent. of those given evidential breath tests who had readings in the 40–50 microgrammes range, and by 37 per cent. of those given such tests who had readings over 50 microgrammes. The figures for this period include persons tested on both the Lion Intoximeter and the Camic Breath Analyser.We will be examining these statistics in more detail, as well as other matters relating to evidential breath testing, when the full report of the six-month monitoring of evidential breath testing is available, and will then consider whether changes to present procedures would be desirable.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he expects the final report on the accuracy of the Lion Intoximeter 3000 to be available; and when it is expected to be published.

    We expect the report on the six-month monitoring of the operation of the Lion Intoximeter and the Camic Breath Analyser to be completed early in the new year and to be published shortly afterwards.

    Environment

    Greater Manchester

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is the percentage of total local government net current expenditure in the Greater Manchester local authority area represented by expenditure by district councils on education, housing and social services.

    The metropolitan district councils' 1984–85 budgeted net current expenditure on education—including school meals and milk—housing—non-housing revenue account—and social services—including personal social services and housing benefit—represented about 61 per cent. of all district and county council net current expenditure in the Greater Manchester area.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is the actual amount of total local government net current expenditure in the Greater Manchester local authority area represented by expenditure by district councils on education, housing and social services.

    The metropolitan district councils in Greater Manchester have budgeted in 1984–85 to spend about £772 million of net current expenditure on education—including school meals and milk—housing—non-housing revenue account—and social services—including personal social services and housing benefit.

    Statistics on sales to sitting tenants and council dwelling stock provided by local authorities (Completed sales include sales of vacant dwellings from 1 April 1979 to 31 March 1980 excluding built for sale)
    Local authorityAll completed sales to sitting tenants 1 April 1979 to 30 June 1984Number of council dwellings at 1 April 1979Number of council dwellings at 1 April 1984All sales as percentage of dwelling stock at 1 April 1979
    Region 1
    NORTH EXC. CUMBRIA
    Hartlepool*2,08213,19311,515*15·8
    Langbaurgh1,12518,05017,6876·2
    Middlesbrough1,73819,77118,2318·8
    Stockton-on-Tees2,56721,45119,11912·0
    Chester-le-Street9358,5497,61110·9
    Darlington7718,4578,2289·1
    Derwentside2,05514,10712,62414·6
    Durham1,33812,94911,62310·3
    Easington2,86822,02219,44013·0
    Sedgefield*1,95719,90516,021*9·8
    Teesdale1541,4341,33110·7
    Wear Valley6308,7928,3057·2
    Alnwick3713,2763,21311·3

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is the percentage of total local government net current expenditure in the Greater Manchester local authority area incurred by metropolitan district councils after deducting expenditure on education.

    The metropolitan district councils' 1984–85 budgeted net current expenditure on services other than education — that is education expenditure including school meals and milk — represented about 25 per cent. of all district and county council net current expenditure in the Greater Manchester area.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is the actual amount of total local government net current expenditure in the Greater Manchester local authority area incurred by the metropolitan district councils after deducting expenditure on education.

    The metropolitan district councils in Greater Manchester have budgeted in 1984–85 to spend about £319 million of net current expenditure on services other than education—that is expenditure on education including school meals and milk.

    Council House Sales

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will list by district, within English and Welsh county areas, details of sales of local authority dwellings to sitting tenants up to the latest convenient date; and if he will indicate the local authority housing stock in 1979–80 and the sales for each district as a percentage of that stock.

    For details of the position in Wales I refer the hon. Member to my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Wales. The following figures of English authorities' sales to sitting tenants from April 1979 to June 1984 include other council house sales up to March 1980. Since 1979 there have been other changes to the stock through new building and acquisitions and some transfers between authorities. An additional column shows the latest stock figures reported by authorities for 1 April 1984.

    Local authority

    All completed sales to sitting tenants 1 April 1979 to 30 June 1984

    Number of council dwellings at 1 April 1979

    Number of council dwellings at 1 April 1984

    All sales as percentage of dwelling stock at 1 April 1979

    Berwick-upon-Tweed3514,0763,8398·6
    Blyth Valley1,23611,20610,13011·0
    Castle Morpeth6864,5184,17315·2
    Tynedale5725,1694,67611·1
    Wansbeck73010,2409,6417·1
    Gateshead2,87938,56836,7037·5
    Newcastle upon Tyne

    *3,305

    50,21547,548

    *6·6

    North Tyneside

    *2,923

    32,07529,532

    *9·l

    South Tyneside

    *3,456

    34,35731,412

    *10·1

    Sunderland4,74150,99746,6119·3

    Region 2

    YORKS & HUMBERSIDE
    Beverley9626,0715,55415·8
    Boothferry1,1085,8094,91819·1
    Cleethorpes6533,9383,55216·6
    East Yorkshire

    *614

    5,3435,039

    *11·5

    Glanford8054,4683,93918·0
    Great Grimsby7088,6528,4468·2
    Holderness4532,7492,60216·5
    Kingston upon Hull2,59846,40046,9005·6
    Scunthorpe1,41110,3939,42713·6
    Craven3332,5522,37313·0
    Hambleton

    *628

    5,3174,995

    *11·8

    Harrogate1,1307,1746,27915·8
    Richmondshire4113,1182,88213·2
    Ryedale4854,1873,81511·6
    Scarborough

    *422

    8,1727,567

    *5·2

    Selby9385,8685,70016·0
    York1,29111,67910,86211·1
    Barnsley3,88835,09432,05911·1
    Doncaster5,89733,47834,90117·6
    Rotherham5,70640,20835,28514·2
    Sheffield

    *3,803

    93,18691,924

    *4·l

    Bradford3,64840,25837,3629·1
    Calderdale2,10417,88316,25811·8
    Kirklees

    *2,489

    37,57136,113

    *6·6

    Leeds

    *4,778

    97,72494,957

    *4·9

    Wakefield3,48547,02545,4327·4

    Region 3

    EAST MIDLANDS
    Amber Valley1,1898,6397,81913·8
    Bolsover1,77010,3268,69317·1
    Chesterfield1,78015,26513,93811·7
    Derby3,96523,73721,42416·7
    Erewash1,4619,6528,74815·1
    High Peak5705,5466,38110·3
    North East Derbyshire96411,78811,2818·2
    South Derbyshire8475,5064,82615·4
    West Derbyshire

    *814

    4,7464,229

    *17·2

    Blaby4443,5973,37512·3
    Chamwood1,0639,0168,54411·8
    Harborough5093,6043,40214·1
    Hinckley and Bosworth

    *775

    5,8055,355

    *13·4

    Leicester3,77135,94534,65510·5
    Melton5513,2762,86216·8
    North West Leicestershire4676,5236,2137·2
    Oadby and Wigston3412,1521,93115·8
    Rutland3752,2931,98016·4
    Boston4926,0385,9548·1
    East Lindsey6686,5046,12910·3
    Lincoln98011,26310,6228·7
    North Kesteven4715,4175,3278·7
    South Holland6346,2235,71210·2
    South Kesteven

    *1,245

    10,2579,409

    *12·1

    West Lindsey6575,6585,08311·6
    Corby2,47613,74810,67918·0
    Daventry1,0926,1905,28917·6
    East Northamptonshire7645,9705,47812·8
    Kettering6136,5286,2509·4
    Northampton1,33213,07012,28510·2
    South Northamptonshire1,1415,8134,80219·6
    Wellingborough1,0517,7677,21413·5

    Local authority

    All completed sales to sitting tenants 1 April 1979 to 30 June 1984

    Number of council dwellings at 1 April 1979

    Number of council dwellings at 1 April 1984

    All sales as percentage of dwelling stock at 1 April 1979

    Ashfield2,14413,14111,26416·3
    Bassetlaw2,38011,72310,22920·3
    Broxtowe1,3178,1697,090161
    Gedling1,4157,0346,03020·1
    Mansfield

    *2,106

    12,06710,617

    *17·5

    Newark1,3189,3898,43214·0
    Nottingham6,57953,16647,88412·4
    Rushcliffe1,0635,3424,72919·9

    Region 4

    EASTERN
    Luton1,83013,55012,38713·5
    Mid Bedfordshire

    *1,261

    9,2778,600

    *13·6

    North Bedfordshire

    *1,282

    9,5158,576

    *13·5

    South Bedfordshire

    *1463

    9,4268,587

    *15·5

    Aylesbury Vale2,00012,97911,79815·4
    Chiltern6765,7155,41611·8
    Milton Keynes1,6449,0317,43618·2
    South Bucks7924,3493,79718·2
    Wycombe2,41812,64310,86019·1
    Cambridge1,16111,41310,73610·2
    East Cambridgeshire7855,6015,09214·0
    Fenland1,6587,0805,59023·4
    Huntingdon1,97710,7019,21618·5
    Peterborough

    *1,232

    11,32510,173

    *10·9

    South Cambridgeshire1,4088,7848,00816·0
    Basildon1,1296,0275,93718·7
    Braintree2,25913,74712,20516·4
    Brentwood

    *665

    4,0323,884

    *16·5

    Castle Point

    *469

    3,1462,543

    *14·9

    Chelmsford1,85211,53410,124161
    Colchester1,28410,2739,44612·5
    Epping Forest2,3687,61110,02831·1
    Harlow3,27520,71418,37815·8
    Maldon5072,9502,61917·2
    Rochford5482,6702,57020·5
    Southend-on-Sea8748,7288,47310·0
    Tendring9274,9964,46718·6
    Thurrock

    *3,571

    15,20615,966

    *23·5

    Uttlesford5414,5324,24611·9
    Broxbourne8025,0245,31216·0
    Dacorum2,97818,82917,11615·8
    East Hertfordshire1,5829,7929,02116·2
    Hertsmere

    *1,008

    5,6418,165

    *17·9

    North Hertfordshire1,33313,22112,32010·1
    St. Albans1,1448,8958,24112·9
    Stevenage2,61915,89214,55616·5
    Three Rivers8074,2306,43819·1
    Watford1,1507,4496,56715·4
    Welwyn Hatfield2,53017,38815,61114·6
    Breckland1,8849,5837,93919·7
    Broadland

    *240

    3,9304,061

    *6·1

    Great Yarmouth5978,1598,0087·3
    Kings Lynn and West Norfolk1,93211,7539,97116·4
    North Norfolk6036,3766,3259·5
    Norwich1,83024,12523,8467·6
    South Norfolk9286,8226,14313·6
    Babergh

    *756

    5,9605,429

    *12·7

    Forest Heath8145,3384,89315·2
    Ipswich99512,53912,2817·9
    Mid Suffolk

    *693

    5,5064,951

    *12·6

    St. Edmundsbury

    *1,213

    10,6479,395

    *11·4

    Suffolk Coastal8036,5796,23012·2
    Waveney1,2227,3846,60216·5

    Region 5

    GREATER LONDON
    Barking and Dagenham4,43325,65233,72017·3
    Barnet2,11417,26518,66412·2
    Bexley1,62012,53011,47112·9
    Brent89620,50021,6854·4
    Bromley2,75114,59417,99118·9
    Camden33328,03133,7501·2
    City of London5182,3172,30522·4

    Local authority

    All completed sales to sitting tenants 1 April 1979 to 30 June 1984

    Number of council dwellings at 1 April 1979

    Number of council dwellings at 1 April 1984

    All sales as percentage of dwelling stock at 1 April 1979

    Croydon3,05621,80020,63714·0
    Ealing

    *3,007

    20,33920,735

    *14·8

    Enfield2,37122,40021,90810·6
    Greater London Council10,692230,23243,9954·6
    Greenwich1,69526,47937,1166·4
    Hackney

    *315

    27,30045,571

    *1·2

    Hammersmith and Fulham76315,62419,1524·9
    Haringey1,25323,07325,5445·4
    Harrow1,1608,2588,74414·0
    Havering4,01916,10017,23625·0
    Hillingdon

    *2,434

    24,62220,360

    *9·9

    Hounslow1,77320,54819,5308·6
    Islington45231,64940,6721·4
    Kensington and Chelsea2547,2618,8623·5
    Kingston upon Thames9257,7376,89812·0
    Lambeth

    *787

    31,62048,650

    *2·5

    Lewisham

    *1,470

    30,00042,186

    *4·9

    Merton1,80212,64413,98914·3
    Newham

    *1,880

    32,73932,418

    *5·7

    Redbridge1,95710,86011,68618·0
    Richmond upon Thames98410,35310,3329·5
    Southwark83236,71662,4592·3
    Sutton1,1478,74512,38213·1
    Tower Hamlets

    *228

    18,19419,044

    *1·3

    Waltham Forest

    *1,296

    19,55820,773

    *6·6

    Wandsworth

    *2,711

    28,86337,165

    *9·4

    Westminster

    *777

    18,43023,320

    *4·2

    Region 6

    SOUTH EASTERN
    Bracknell2,93612,15410,96924·2
    Newbury1,2598,8408,05314·2
    Reading1,19610,47610,10811·4
    Slough

    *1,534

    8,55910,897

    *17·9

    Windsor and Maidenhead1,0708,8347,94212·1
    Wokingham5653,7573,64615·0
    Brighton

    *743

    12,65311,521

    *5·9

    Eastbourne9615,5175,20417·4
    Hastings6085,3125,04011·4
    Hove

    *489

    4,8894,569

    *10·0

    Lewes8225,0544,58816·3
    Rother5804,5894,24012·6
    Wealden9285,0034,49118·5
    Basingstoke and Deane

    *2,751

    15,60112,649

    *17·6

    East Hampshire9055,3645,17616·9
    Eastleigh1,2616,4535,46919·5
    Fareham8684,2093,62920·6
    Gosport7976,2595,93612·7
    Hart3852,9212,77613·2
    Havant1,1994,8294,22224·8
    New Forest1,5178,1017,49718·7
    Portsmouth4,21927,74023,99915·2
    Rushmoor1,1446,5966,60917·3
    Southampton2,60723,86822,14710·9
    Test Valley1,5498,6917,78817·8
    Winchester

    *996

    7,5316,971

    *13·2

    Medina3993,3833,33411·8
    South Wight

    *198

    2,3992,418

    *8·3

    Ashford

    *974

    9,6328,957

    *10·1

    Canterbury1,0548,0567,45213·1
    Dartford1,3447,9426,95916·9
    Dover1,3248,9848,08314·7
    Gillingham7935,1784,60315·3
    Gravesham1,3339,4328,49114·1
    Maidstone1,40210,2199,20913·7
    Rochester upon Medway

    *2,289

    13,87911,576

    *16·5

    Sevenoaks1,0387,9257,84213·1
    Shepway7324,9884,76314·7
    Swale1,40510,0298,91814·0
    Thanet1,0388,3047,61912·5
    Tonbridge and Mailing9707,7397,04812·5
    Tunbridge Wells8347,3296,71311·4
    Cherwell

    *1,460

    9,8328,774

    *14·8

    Oxford86510,54210,2928·2

    Local authority

    All completed sales to sitting tenants 1 April 1979 to 30 June 1984

    Number of council dwellings at 1 April 1979

    Number of council dwellings at 1 April 1984

    All sales as percentage of dwelling stock at 1 April 1979

    South Oxfordshire1,4138,6598,00216·3
    Vale of White Horse9727,2826,69213·3
    West Oxfordshire1,0265,9105,35917·4
    Elmbridge

    *656

    6,4186,061

    *10·2

    Epsom and Ewell

    *247

    2,9432,514

    *8·4

    Guildford

    *1,093

    8,5057,774

    *12·9

    Mole Valley

    *604

    5,1964,997

    *11·6

    Reigate and Banstead9637,0367,53213·7
    Runnymede8025,0024,55016·0
    Spelthome9395,1614,79618·2
    Surrey Heath8454,4913,86318·8
    Tandridge7684,8724,36115·8
    Waverley1,0188,0918,20112·6
    Woking1,0214,5955,02122·2
    Adur

    *651

    4,6084,110

    *14·1

    Arun1,4186,5575,59421·6
    Chichester1,0217,5277,50213·6
    Crawley3,21114,85613,34821·6
    Horsham8606,6036,44113·0
    Mid Sussex8465,3155,11515·9
    Worthing

    *524

    3,6813,277

    *14·2

    Region 7

    South West
    Bath1,0008,5017,71011·8
    Bristol5,28047,09543,45611·2
    Kingswood1,2956,2075,30920·9
    Northavon1,2477,0456,17417·7
    Wansdyke

    *1,226

    6,8115,612

    *18·0

    Woodspring

    *1,623

    10,5179,556

    *15·4

    Caradon4494,4474,63410·1
    Carrick6425,9345,38110·8
    Isles of Scilly

    *6

    132143

    *4·5

    Kerrier4964,4094,14411·2
    North Cornwall5894,8554,61512·1
    Penwith

    *444

    4,2224,050

    *10·5

    Restormel6344,9144,53312·9
    East Devon9176,7106,11413·7
    Exeter8759,0638,3699·7
    Mid Devon7305,2805,00013·8
    North Devon6234,8814,49712·8
    Plymouth

    *2,912

    24,39422,815

    *11·9

    South Hams6744,6384,13014·5
    Teignbridge7535,9595,52512·6
    Torbay5524,9654,70011·1
    Torridge4422,9092,59715·2
    West Devon4052,2111,97918·3
    Bournemouth1,2367,5226,88216·4
    Christchurch

    *301

    2,0921,820

    *14·4

    North Dorset5513,7293,51514·8
    Poole1,2047,4486,91116·2
    Purbeck4062,3552,26517·2
    West Dorset8166,6396,36012·3
    Weymouth and Portland1,0534,4734,18223·5
    Wimborne

    *370

    2,4742,561

    *15·0

    Cheltenham

    *1,141

    7,9977,111

    *14·3

    Cotswold8225,9045,41613·9
    Forest of Dean7005,8065,58612·1
    Gloucester1,0767,4996,66114·3
    Stroud1,1708,5747,78113·6
    Tewkesbury8514,9324,33717·3
    Mendip1,1827,5106,77815·7
    Sedgemoor1,3517,9606,89917·0
    Taunton Deane9809,2438,74710·6
    West Somerset4532,3582,17519·2
    Yeovil1,50313,12712,23611·4
    Kennet6466,3405,96810·2
    North Wiltshire1,1098,7857,82612·6
    Salisbury7358,7558,5818·4
    Thamesdown

    *2,219

    15,79014,682

    *14·1

    West Wiltshire

    *1,135

    8,4347,265

    *13·5

    Region 8

    West Midlands
    Bromsgrove9775,4304,63218·0

    Local authority

    All completed sales to sitting tenants 1 April 1979 to 30 June 1984

    Number of council dwellings at 1 April 1979

    Number of council dwellings at 1 April 1984

    All sales as percentage of dwelling stock at 1 April 1979

    Hereford8295,7935,22114·3
    Leominster4182,4682,16316·9
    Malvern Hills

    *1,015

    6,1305,679

    *16·6

    Redditch6894,2243,73316·3
    South Herefordshire5982,8572,37020·9
    Worcester6917,0356,6269·8
    Wychavon1,9259,7098,39019·8
    Wyre Forest9038,5997,99210·5
    Bridgnorth3684,0043,8109·2
    North Shropshire

    *566

    4,0943,690

    *13·8

    Oswestry3883,1252,87812·4
    Shrewsbury and Atcham7377,5647,1519·7
    South Shropshire

    *349

    2,2031,964

    *15·8

    The Wrekin1,36512,34511,54311·1
    Cannock Chase

    *1,567

    10,1148,830

    *15·5

    East Staffordshire9867,8397,27012·6
    Lichfield

    *194

    7,4346,636

    *2·6

    Newcastle-under-Lyme1,50313,47212,44411·2
    South Staffordshire1,1407,5176,77715·2
    Stafford1,1309,3518,60912·1
    Staffordshire Moorlands6354,8384,31813·1
    Stoke-on-Trent

    *3,964

    32,31829,390

    *12·3

    Tamworth1,0098,4938,26911·9
    North Warwickshire7745,6475,00913·7
    Nuneaton and Bedworth1,50310,8389,67713·9
    Rugby8986,5495,76913·7
    Stratford-on-Avon1,4828,6607,66217·1
    Warwick1,2368,9698,17013·8
    Birmingham16,848151,208125,74511·1
    Coventry1,88226,96325,8287·0
    Dudley

    *3,973

    40,66037,485

    *9·8

    Sandwell3,33257,77556,5715·8
    Solihull1,8036,11517,15729·5
    Walsall3,97341,77239,2069·5
    Wolverhampton

    *4,461

    43,42241,000

    *10·3

    Region 9

    NORTH WEST INC. CUMBRIA
    Chester1,0919,6758,81711·3
    Congleton8865,9525,27214·9
    Crewe and Nantwich1,0389,4498,72611·0
    Ellesmere Port and Neston1,62810,6679,14415·3
    Halton2,01111,3859,91917·7
    Macclesfield1,2609,7358,83912·9
    Vale Royal1,68811,85810,21614·2
    Warrington1,84614,15813,34513·0
    Allerdale5336,5286,6738·2
    Barrow-in-Furness

    *305

    5,1394,955

    *5·9

    Carlisle1,58613,72712,63911·6
    Copeland1,2917,7916,76416·6
    Eden5133,0282,63716·9
    South Lakeland9136,7736,12213·5
    Blackburn71914,63114,2384·9
    Blackpool6967,4977,5029·3
    Burnley9067,9557,41111·4
    Chorley6194,8764,35012·7
    Fylde5403,0262,64217·8
    Hyndburn4934,9244,64110·0
    Lancaster1,0826,3825,60717·0
    Pendle

    *713

    5,7165,374

    *12·5

    Preston

    *499

    11,94111,696

    *4·2

    Ribble Valley

    *366

    2,2191,924

    *16·5

    Rossendale

    *955

    7,0776,132

    *13·5

    South Ribble8064,7834,32816·9
    West Lancashire9384,5593,79720·6
    Wyre6194,5854,14113·5
    Bolton1,94526,21826,2817·4
    Bury1,51113,21311,82811·4
    Manchester

    *5,175

    106,000100,379

    *4·9

    Oldham1,10027,02826,6394·1
    Rochdale1,30322,03322,2965·9
    Salford2,20642,04043,0505·2
    Stockport

    *1,641

    18,41516,874

    *8·9

    Tameside1,83022,26621,3628·2

    Local authority

    All completed sales to sitting tenants 1 April 1979 to 30 June 1984

    Number of council dwellings at 1 April 1979

    Number of council dwellings at 1 April 1984

    All sales as percentage of dwelling stock at 1 April 1979

    Trafford1,63615,18714,33310·8
    Wigan3,18936,73134,5568·7
    Knowsley6,14038,65326,90215·9
    Liverpool

    *7,874

    78,45365,066

    *10·0

    Sefton3,31021,72118,45315·2
    St. Helens1,83921,73720,6598·5
    Wirral3,65628,96725,19012·6

    * Incomplete.

    Planning Permissions (Misuse)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will bring forward proposals to alter the law to prevent misuse of planning permissions for dwellings granted on the basis of agricultural need where an agricultural occupancy condition has been imposed.

    No. Powers for enforcement available to local authorities under existing planning legislation are sufficient to deal with abuses.

    Glc (Land)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will list the sites and acreage of land at present held by the Greater London council which he proposes to transfer to the London borough of Brent.

    Under clause 92 of the Local Government Bill we intend to transfer to successor bodies all property currently owned by the GLC or MCCs which is needed by them to carry out new or enhanced functions conferred on them. Property which has not been transferred under clause 92, or other specific provisions of the Bill, will vest in the appropriate residuary body. Detailed information about the GLC's holdings of land in the London borough of Brent or any other London borough is not held centrally. In the first instance, it is for such authorities themselves to obtain such information as they require from the GLC.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will list in the Official Report, for each parliamentary constituency concerned, the land currently owned by the Greater London council in the county of Essex.

    Ordnance Survey

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) when the report of the independent inquiry by Peat, Marwick and Mitchell into the competitive practices of the Ordnance Survey will be available to him; and if he will make a statement;(2) what is the policy of Her Majesty's Government towards the continuation of the publishing activities of the Ordnance Survey in the field of road atlases, town plans and guides;(3) what net profit has accrued to the Ordnance Survey from the sales of new atlases, town plans and guide books:

    (4) why the independent report into the competitive position of the Ordnance Survey joint publishing activities has been submitted to the Ordnance Survey management rather than to him direct.

    Leicester (Rate Capping)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will list the specific reasons why he has rate-capped Leicester city council; and if he will make a statement.

    My right hon. Friend has selected Leicester city council for rate-capping in accordance with the principles stated in the "Rate Limitation Report 1984" (HC 589), laid before the House on 24 July 1984. Authorities were selected if it appeared to him at the date of making the report that their budgets for 1984–85 were more than 4 per cent. above their expenditure targets and more than 20 per cent. above their grant-related expenditure assessment — GREA. Leicester's budget of £24·6 million was 4·9 per cent. above its target and 27·7 per cent above GREA.The rate limit which my right hon. Friend is now proposing for the council is 56·61 per cent. lower than its rate levied for 1984–85 and should be welcomed by Leicester's ratepayers. The council has until 15 January to comment on the rate limit proposed and to draw my right hon. Friend's attention to any relevant information of which he may not be currently aware.

    Docklands

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what are the occupational categories, by socio-economic group, of the new jobs in London's docklands which are held by residents of the London boroughs of Newham, Tower Hamlets, and Southwark created in docklands since 1981.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will give a breakdown by category, manufacturing, office, distribution, mixed use development, of how many of the estimated 3,185 new jobs created in the London docklands urban development area, excluding Inner Urban Areas Act assistance, since July 1981 were in existing buildings or buildings commenced prior to July 1981.

    Of the 3,185 new jobs created in the LDDC area since July 1981, 2,236 are in existing buildings. By category, these number:

    Number

    Industry

    *70

    Office†l,010
    Distribution500
    Mixed use656

    * Limehouse Studios

    † Includes 280 in LDDC offices

    The existing buildings in the first three categories required refurbishment before use.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many acres of land in the London Docklands Development Corporation's ownership are awaiting development; and how long this land has been in the London Docklands Development Corporation's ownership.

    Land in the corporation's ownership available for development was purchased in the following years, and was at 31 March 1984 at the stages shown:

    Year of purchaseacres awaiting reclamationacres being reclaimedacres reclaimed and awaiting disposal/development
    1981–82187·1778·47151·5
    1982–8363·7619·9352·7
    1983–84227·912·0
    In addition, the corporation has released—by sale or lease—land purchased in 1981–82, of which 126 acres is being developed and 124·56 acres is already in use.

    Urban Development Grant Projects

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will provide the following information for all urban development grant projects in each London borough that have received at least initial approval by his Department: the name of the project, the value of the urban development grant, the total cost of the project including private sector contributions and the urban development grant expenditure as at 1 October and expected expenditure by 31 March 1985.

    An up-to-date list of all schemes which have received offers of urban development grant, including the name of the sponsoring authority, the total project cost, the maximum estimated UDG, and the total estimated private sector investment, is already in the Library. Detailed information about expenditure incurred at 1 October and anticipated by 31 March 1985 is not at present available.

    Local Government Bill

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he has published any further guidance on the development plan provisions in the Local Government Bill.

    Yes. I have circulated today to the local authority associations and other interested bodies a paper describing the new system of unitary development plans and the transitional arrangements. I am placing a copy in the Library of the House.

    Broadleaved Woodlands

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what has been the loss of ancient broadleaved woodlands over the last 30 years; and to what extent new plantings have compensated for this loss.

    There is no later information about losses of ancient broadleaved woodlands than was provided in the reply I gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Lincoln (Mr. Carlisle) on 20 February 1984 at column 365.Much new planting of woodlands has taken place over the past, 30 years. In the past 10 years alone, there have been 13,600 hectares of new broadleaved planting and restocking by the Forestry Commission and by the private sector with grant aid from the commission. This figure does not take account of compensation of losses by natural regeneration, nor of amenity tree planting grant-aided by the Countryside Commission.

    Pollution

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) how many acres or hectares of trees are affected by the new form of damage reported in the Government reply to the report on acid rain from the Environment Committee, Cmnd. 9397, to have recently been observed in north and west Britain; which species are affected, and in what proportions; and when this new form of damage was (a) first detected and by whom, (b) first publicly recorded and (c) first known to the Government;(2) if he has any evidence of tree damage associated with air pollution in the United Kingdom;(3) in what ways the new form of damage to trees reported in the reply to the Environment Committee report on acid rain (Cmnd. 9397), as occurring in north and west Britain resembles that associated with air pollution in Germany; and whether the damage can be explained by the action of pathogenes, fungi, bacteria, stress, drought, climate or other causes not associated with

    (a), acid deposition and (b) other pollution.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what sum the Government are currently planning to spend on research into air pollution damage to trees or other plants in the United Kingdom in 1985.

    I refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave to the right hon. Member for Western Isles (Mr. Stewart) on 11 December at column 446.No figure for expenditure during the calendar year 1985 is available.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if the Government are aware of any damage to vegetation by ozone in the United Kingdom over the last three years.

    I refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave to the right hon. Member for Western Isles (Mr. Stewart) on 11 December at column 446.

    Power Stations (Emissions)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what proportion of the fall in total sulphur dioxide emissions in the United Kingdom since (a) 1970 and (b) 1980, has been due to changes in emissions from Central Electricity Generating Board power stations.

    Reductions in emissions from CEGB power stations from 1970 to date account for 11 per cent. of the total fall in emissions in that periodFor reductions since 1980, I refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave to the right hon. Member for the Western Isles (Mr. Stewart) on 12 December at column

    503.

    Social Services

    City Roads Detoxification Unit

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if his Department will continue the funding in 1985–86 of City Roads detoxification unit for young drug addicts.

    The general scheme for grants to voluntary organisations under section 64 of the Health Services and Public Health Act 1968 is used for two main purposes: one is to help with national organisations' general costs; the other is to support specific projects for a specific period, usually limited to three years—this includes experimental or innovative local schemes of wider significance. The Department's grant to City Roads, which falls into the latter category, has already been extended exceptionally to six years, of which 1984–85 is the last. We are, however, considering an application from City Roads for a substantial capital grant towards the purchase and renovation of the building next to its existing premises. We await the views of the local statutory authorities on this application.

    Family Practitioner Committees

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will make a statement on the composition of family practitioner committees from April 1985.

    From 1 April 1985 family practitioner committees will normally comprise a chairman and 30 members.The membership will include 15 members of the professions providing family practitioner services appointed from nominations received from local representative committees. There will be seven general medical and one ophthalmic medical practitioner, three dentists, two pharmacists and an ophthalmic and a dispensing optician. Four members will be appointed from nominations received from district health authorities, four from local authorities, and seven from nominations from other sources.Each committee will include among its membership a nurse with community experience.

    Grant Entitlement

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what provisions his Department has made for the effective disribution of his Department's leaflet NI 49/August 79 to those categories of people entitled to grant.

    The Department's leaflet NI 49 "Death Grant" is distributed via the Office of Population Censuses and Surveys and the General Register Office for Scotland to registrars who are instructed to provide one copy to every private person who acts as informant at the registration of a death. The leaflet is also freely available from our local offices and from the Leaflets Unit, Government Buildings, Honeypot Lane, Stanmore, Middlesex HA17 1AY.

    Limited List Prescribing

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) what expert advice he took on the level of patient compliance to be expected from the use of the British Pharmacopoeia formulations listed as prescribable under the National Health Service in his illustrative list;(2) what estimate he has made of National Health Service resources likely to be wasted annually from 1 April 1985 through the prescribing of basic medicines which have a low record of patient compliance.

    We have no reason to believe that there will be any significant change in the pattern of patient compliance from 1 April 1985.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what assistance he proposes to give to retail pharmacists in explaining to their customers why, from 1 April 1985, they will not be able to obtain on National Health Service prescriptions the medicines they have been accustomed to receiving.

    I am discussing with the pharmaceutical profession how best patients should be informed and reassured that all essential medicines will continue to be available on the National Health Service.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what consultation he has initiated with the principals of the British hospice movement regarding his proposed limited list of drugs.

    The Government will welcome any suggestions made separately about specialised needs, and we have already received correspondence on this issue from individuals working in hospices. We also expect consultation with the medical profession generally to reflect views of the hospice movement.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if, pursuant to his speech to the Institute of Chartered Secretaries and Administrators on 11 December, he will list the drugs outside the scope of his proposed limited list which the pharmaceutical industry has claimed will no longer be available under the National Health Service; and if he will make a statement.

    The final list of drugs to remain available on the National Health Service in each of the groups covered by the limited list proposals will not be determined until our consultation with the professions and industry is complete. I welcome this opportunity to make it clear that, contrary to statements made elsewhere, our proposals do not affect NHS provision of non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (ibuprofen and so on); the more powerful analgesics like pentazocine (Fortral) and dihydrocodeine tartrate (DF118); the high dose vitamins required to treat vitamin deficiency; or folic acid. These drugs will still be available for prescription under the National Health Service after 1 April 1985. We attach importance to consultation with the professions and the industry to ensure that no essential drug is omitted from the list.

    Policy Studies Institute (Working Paper C)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services why he considers that his comments on the Policy Studies Institute working paper C would not be appropriate for publishing.

    It has never been the practice to publish confidential comments passed to researchers.

    Nhs (Health Hazards)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what consideration his Department has given to the GMBATU'S recent report on health hazards in the National Health Service; what action he is taking with regard to each of the report's findings; and if he will make a statement.

    I shall let the right hon. Member have a reply as soon as possible.

    Prescriptions

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many doctors' prescriptions were inaccurately dispensed in the past year due to the inability of pharmacists to read the handwriting on them; and if his Department is considering any recommendations to reduce the number of incorrectly dispensed prescriptions.

    It is a breach of his National Health Service terms of service for a pharmacist to dispense a prescription incorrectly. Where a pharmacist is not certain of a prescriber's intentions—for example, where the handwriting is not legible—he must check with the prescribing general practitioner. While I welcome any steps individual GPs can take to avoid the risk of confusion, I do not believe that, except perhaps in very isolated and wholly exceptional cases, prescriptions are incorrectly dispensed.

    Regional Health Authorities (Rates Of Pay)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what guidance his Department has given to regional health authorities regarding the stipulation of rates of pay in contracts with contracting firms to which wages council agreements apply.

    We have told health authorities not to specify rates of pay in contract documents.

    Nurses (Back Pain)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many working days were lost to the National Health Service due to back pain among nurses in the latest year for which figures are available.

    Supplementary Benefit

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what were the estimated numbers of supplementary benefit claimants living (a) in hostels or common lodging houses and (b) as boarders in 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, and 1984, respectively.

    Information for 1979 to 1983—using provisional data for 1983—is given in the table. Data for 1984 have not yet been collected.

    (Thousands) Great Britain
    Hostels and common lodging housesBoarders
    19792425
    19802431
    19813138
    19823154
    *19833575
    * Provisional

    Source: Annual Statistical Inquiries

    Contraceptive, Abortion And Sterilisation Services

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) what is the projected National Health Service expenditure for 1985 on (a) contraceptive, (b) abortion and (c) sterilisation services;(2) what has been the total National Health Service expenditure on the provision of

    (a) contraceptive, (b) abortion and (c) sterilisation services in each of the last 10 years for which figures are available.

    Precise details of the costs of contraceptive services provided through the National Health Service are not available though it is possible to identify the fees paid to general medical practitioners for the provision of these services, and to estimate the basic ingredient cost of the medicines and devices prescribed, and the costs of family planning clinics. Total expenditure on these is estimated to have been:

    England
    £ millions cash
    1975–7619
    1976–7730
    1977–7832
    1978–7934
    1979–8040
    1980–8149
    1981–8255
    1982–8361
    1983–8467

    Figures for earlier years are not available.
    Our Department's costing returns do not identify expenditure on abortions and sterilisation services.
    We do not allocate centrally funds for future years for any of these services. No projections are therefore possible.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will give a breakdown by contraceptive technique of the numbers of patients in receipt of contraceptive services under the National Health Service for each of the last five years for which figures are available.

    The available information is given in the table. We do not collect detailed statistics about the contraceptive techniques used by the patients of general medical practitioners.

    England

    Number of patients: Thousands

    1979

    1980

    1981

    1982

    1983

    Patients of family planning clinics and domicilliary services—birth control method*
    Oral contraceptives809·2806·8826·6839·9853·7
    Intrauterine device321·0312·0270·2248·5238·3
    Cap/diaphragm117·6122·2120·1114·2112·4
    Sheath143·3145·0146·5148·8156·1
    Chemicals12·510·29·38·67·7
    Rhythm0·20·20·60·30·3
    Female sterilisation2·01·41·72·32·4
    Vasectomy16·016·015·014·313·1
    Other10·710·211·510·310·9
    Total1,432·51,424·01,401·51,387·21,394·9
    Patients of general medical practitioners—contraceptive service provided
    Fitting an intrauterine device110·0106·9102·9107·4107·6
    Other contraceptive services1,811·81,917·01,988·62,083·22,250·6
    Total1,921·82,023·92,091·52,190·62,358·2

    * Primary birth control method recommended, chosen, or already in use at time of first visit in the year.

    Patients in respect of whom a payment was due at the end of the year.

    Family Income

    asked the secretary of state for Social Services (1) if he will list, using the latest information avaliable to his Department, the number of families per 1,000 families not on supplementary benefit and having an income less than 100 per cent. of supplementary benefit in Wales, England, Scotland and in the various region within England, and in the United Kingdom as a whole;(2) if he will list the number of families per 1,000 families having an income less than

    (a) 110 per cent., (b) 120per cent., (c) 130 per cent. and (d) 140 per cent. of supplementary benefit, including those receiving supplementary benefit, in Wales, England, Scotland and the various region within England ad in the United Kingdom as a whole.

    I regret not all the information is available. Estimates of numbers of low income families are available only for Great Britain. Separate figures for individual regions of England are not readily available nor are estimates of the number of families with an income of more than 120 per cent. but less than 130 per cent. of supplementary benefit level. The latest available information, which relates to 1981, is shown in the table.

    Estimated number of families per-thousand families with incomes at specific levels
    Level of incomeWalesEnglandScotlandGreat Britain
    Below supplementary benefit[80]70[50]60
    Receiving supplementary benefit110110120110
    Level of incomeWalesEnglandScotlandGreat Britain
    Above supplementary benefit but less than 10 per cent, above[40]30[50]30
    Above supplementary benefit but less than 20 per cent, above[80]709070
    Above supplementary benefit but less than 40 per cent, above140130160130

    Notes:

  • 1. All figures are subject to sampling are subject to considerable sampling error. Those in square brackets are subject to considerable sampling error.
  • 2. All figures have been rounded to the nearest 10.
  • 3. Estimates of those with incomes above supplementary benefit level are cumulative.
  • Social Security Expenditure

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) what is his latest estimate of total social security expenditure in England, Scotland, Wales and the United Kingdom as a whole;(2) what are the latest estimates of per capita expenditure in England, Scotland, Wales and the United Kingdom as a whole on the following social security benefits:

    (a) retirement pensions, (b) invalidity benefits, (c) industrial disablement benefit, (d) widows' pensions, (e) dependants' allowance, (f) lump sums to pensioners and (g) supplementary benefit, divided into supplementary pensions and supplementary allowances, unemployment benefit, sickness and injury benefit and maternity allowance.

    It is estimated that in 1984–85 total social security benefit expenditure in the United Kingdom will amount to £38,800 million. Separate estimates for England, Scotland and Wales are not available. however, some indications of social security expenditure in these countries are given in "Regional Trends", published annually by HMSO.

    Dundee (Special Needs)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what action he is taking to improve the areas of special needs in the Dundee, West parliamentary constituency, as outlined in his Department's central research unit paper of October 1984.

    I have been asked to reply.Such action is for local authorities (and other local agencies) in the first place. Projects in such areas can qualify for grant under my Department's urban programme.

    Smoking-Related Diseases

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many people have died each year since 1974 to 1984 due to smoking-related diseases.

    [pursuant to the reply, 20 November 1984, c. 127]: It is not possible to be precise. Most deaths associated with cigarette smoking arise from three diseases: lung cancer, chronic bronchitis and "heart attacks" due to obstruction of the arteries of the heart. However, the proportion of deaths attributable to smoking from each of these diseases varies. Furthermore, smoking is also implicated in certain other conditions where no estimate of the numbers of the deaths caused by smoking is available—for example, obstruction of the arteries of the lower limbs.In 1983 the Royal College of Physicians in its Report "Health or Smoking?" estimated that at least 90 per cent. of deaths from lung cancer, chronic bronchitis and obstructive lung disease are attributable to smoking. The total number of deaths from the main conditions involved is given in the table.

    England and Wales
    YearMalignant Neoplasm of Trachea bronchus and lung (ICD* 162)Bronchitis and emphysema (ICD 490–492)
    197433,05725,512
    197532,88624,898
    197633,52424,684
    197733,97922,125
    197834,34822,665
    197934,76021,627
    198035,16819,255
    198134,72717,530
    198234,83217,297
    1983†35,57215,410
    * ICD—International Classification of Diseases.
    † Figures for 1983 are provisional.
    In the same report the Royal College of Physicians also estimated that perhaps 20 per cent, of deaths due to obstruction of the arteries of the heart were related to smoking. The medical term for this condition is "Ischaemic Heart Disease", but it is nowadays very often referred to as "Coronary Heart Disease". The total number of deaths from this condition between 1974 and 1983 in England and Wales is as follows, but the proportion of these directly attributable to smoking is less certain as this is only one of a number of causes that give rise to obstruction of the arteries of the heart.

    Year

    Ischaemic Heart Disease (ICD 410–414)

    1974153,250
    1975154,412
    1976157,016
    1977155,813
    1978160,458
    1979155,647
    1980154,371
    1981155,196
    1982154,605
    1983*156,550

    * Figures for 1983 are provisional.

    The Royal College of Physicians estimate of at least 100,000 smoking-related deaths in 1981 is based upon a total of 70,000 deaths from lung cancer, bronchitis and obstructive lung disease and 180,000 from coronary heart disease; that is, it encompasses conditions not included in the ICD categories, such as various other cancers, other vascular diseases, myocardial degeneration and so on.

    Tuberculosis

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) what steps he is going to take to ensure that the incidence of tuberculosis amongst hospital medical staff is fully documented;(2) what plans he has for making sure that hospital staff exposed to risks of contracting tuberculosis receive regular chest radiographs; and what provisions he will make for the purpose of setting up screening programmes for professional foreign visitors attached to National Health Service hospitals.

    [pursuant to the reply,28 November 1984, c. 532]: Guidance on the control of tuberculosis in National Health Service employees was issued to health authorities in 1978 on the advice of the Standing Medical Advisor)' Committee and the working part on the prevention of infection in clinical laboratories. This recommends that staff should have an X-ray and tuberculin test on entry into the NHS and for those at higher risk of exposure to tuberculosis an annual chest X-ray thereafter.In 1982, we issued guidance on the provision of occupational health services for staff. I would expect these services to have established health records for each member of staff and for those records to record any incidence of tuberculosis, together with a note of chest X-rays, tuberculin testing and BCG vaccination.

    Newcastle Computer Dispute

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how much the Post Office measures to counteract the effects of his Department's strike at Newcastle is expected to cost up to the end of 1984.

    [pursuant to his reply, 6 December 1984, c. 271]: The scale of payments to the Post Office is still a matter of commercial negotiation and full accounting for its additional work will not be available until after the dispute. However, it is estimated that the cost up to the end of December 1984 will be of the order of £65 million to £70 million.

    Nhs (Charges)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what are the estimated losses of revenue to the National Health Service in the 10 worst cases of undercharging or failure to charge revealed by his recent survey of health authorities' charging arrangements.

    [pursuant to the reply, 11 December 1984, c. 475]: Although some estimates have been made by auditors, they have yet to be substantiated. Final figures for any losses requiring to be written off will not be available until health authorities have had the opportunity of considering and replying to the audit reports and identifying the sums involved.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the gross income for National Health Service hospitals from charges to road accident victims, private patients and overseas visitors, respectively, and what is the net income in each case.

    [pursuant to the reply, 11 December 1984, c. 475]: Gross income from these three sources in 1983–84 was £6·95 million, £55·455 million and £1·589 million, respectively. It is not practical to try to estimate net figures.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is his estimate of the gross income for National Health Service hospitals from charges to road accident victims, private patients and overseas visitors, respectively, if all such charges had been fully levied.

    [pursuant to the reply, 11 December 1984, c. 475]: Any estimate would be entirely speculative, but I am very concerned about the substantial evidence that not all the income is being collected. I have therefore written recently to health authority chairmen asking them to ensure that arrangements for collecting income due to the NHS are operating effectively. The NHS scrutiny report on the collection of income was published at the same time. I am arranging for copies of both documents to be placed in the Library.