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Volume 89: debated on Monday 13 January 1986

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Written Answers To Questions

Monday 13 January 1986

House Of Commons

Private Members' Bills

asked the Lord Privy Seal what is the current allowance payable to hon. Members successful in the ballot for private Members' Bills to assist with drafting costs; when the allowance was last increased; what is the current value of the allowance expressed in prices prevailing at the date it was last increased; and if he has any plans to increase it.

Pursuant to a resolution of the House of 29 November 1971, hon. Members who have secured one of the first 10 places in the ballot are entitled to claim not more than £200 towards the cost of drafting assistance for their Bill. This allowance has not been increased since it was introduced. The current value of the allowance expressed in prices prevailing at the date of its introduction is £43·35.

Education And Science

Campaigners (Grant)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what will be the amount of grant his Department will provide to the Campaigners for 1986–87; and how that compares with 1985–86.

An allocation of –10,800 for headquarters grant was made to the Campaigners for 1985–86. Decisions about 1986–87 headquarters grant for national voluntary youth organisations will not be announced until spring 1986.

Teachers (Merit Payments)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science, in preparing his plans for merit awards for teachers, what estimate he made of the percentage of teachers who would expect to receive merit awards within the first two years.

My right hon. Friend has no such plans. He continues to look for a pay structure providing substantially more promotion opportunities for the better teachers to higher scales than are at present available combined with promotion arrangements and differentials designed to recruit, retain and motivate teachers of the right quality. The pay offer which the management panel made, with the Government's endorsement, on 12 September would have generated an extra 74,000 promotions, equal to one in five of all classroom teachers.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will take steps to ensure that all pupils receive at least a specified number of hours of instruction during their school career from teachers in receipt of the proposed merit payments.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he has any plans to issue guidelines to examining boards on the consequences for the assessment of examination papers of the proposed introduction of merit payments for teachers and the implicit grading of the abilities of the teachers of each examinee; and if he will make a statement.

Private Education

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what information he has as to the total number of schoolchildren taking full-time private education.

In January 1985, the latest date for which information is available, there were 501,422 full-time pupils in independent schools in England.

Examination Results

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will initiate discussions with examining boards about the implications for the evaluation of performance at recent and forthcoming O and A level examinations of the number of children whose schooling has been disrupted by strike action by teaching staff; and if he will make a statement.

My right hon. Friend and I share the deep concern which pupils and parents have about the current action being taken by teachers. We deplore any such action which harms children's education and which might damage their performance in public examinations and their future prospects.The effect of the action so far is inevitably difficult to quantify and will have varied from school to school. It is open to schools to draw to the attention of the GCE and CSE examinations boards any relevant factors affecting pupils' examination performance, and the boards have indicated that they will consider any such details provided in accordance with their normal practice. My right hon. Friend therefore at present has no plans to hold discussions with the boards.

University Grants Committee

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the percentage change in real terms, measured by the gross domestic product deflator, in the funding of each university by the University Grants Committee between 1980–81 and 1983–84, excluding those amounts representing compensation for changes in home student fees, compensation for redundancy and early retirement, changes to take account of minor capital works from the recurrent grant and changes in the level of local authority rates (a) including and (b) excluding additions made for the information technology and new blood programmes.

[pursuant to his reply,3 December 1985, c. 161]: The percentage changes in the funding of each university between 1980–81 and 1983–84 in real terms measured by the gross domestic product deflator, excluding those amounts representing compensation for changes in the level of home student fees, compensation for redundancy and early retirement, provision for capital in recurrent expenditure and local authority rates (a) including and (b) excluding additions made for the information technology and new blood programmes are as follows. The percentage changes shown will be in part the consequence of the withdrawal of the overseas student subsidy and to the extent that these losses have been made up by the increased fee income will not accurately reflect the changes in the universities financial position.

Percentage change in UGC funding (Academic Years) Real terms 1980–81 to 1983–84
University(a) including IT and new blood programmes(b) excluding IT and new blood programmes
Aston-30·9-31·0
Bath-4·0-4·5
Birmingham-14·0-14·4
Bradford-31·1-31·2
Bristol-12·7-13·4
Brunel-16·3-16·6
Cambridge-7·5-8·2
City-19·7-19·8
Durham-5·5-5·7
East Anglia-7·6-8·0
Essex-19·6-20·0
Exeter-14·9-15·1
Hull-16·6-17·0
Keele-32·0-32·1
Kent-19·3-19·8
Lancaster-12·1-12·3
Leeds-13·2-13·4
Leicester-60-6·5
Liverpool-150-15·2
London Graduate School of Business Studies+33·6+33·6
London University-13·6-13·9
Loughborough-7·4-7·7
Manchester Business School-25·2-25·2
Manchester-14·9-15·2
University of Manchester Institute of Science and Technology-27·9-29·2
Newcastle-8·3-8·7
Nottingham-11·2-11·8
Oxford-8·8-9·5
Reading-13·2-13·3
Salford-42·2-42·3
Sheffield-11·0-11·2
Southampton-9·8-10·3
Surrey-21·7-21·8
Speech science, speech pathology and speech therapy courses and numbers of graduates
Institution,CourseAll first degree graduatesGood honours graduates
198319841985198319841985
(a) Great Britain universities
University College LondonSpeech sciences434642181614
ManchesterSpeech pathology and therapy221819161013
NewcastleSpeech, Speech and psychology161119478
ReadingLinguistics and Language pathology101311948
SheffieldSpeech science191414755
(b) England polytechnics
City of BirminghamSpeech pathology and therapy207
LeicesterSpeech pathology and therapy
LeedsSpeech therapy
ManchesterRemedial speech therapy
(c) England other institutions
The Central School of Speech and Drama Speech therapy
— No graduates

Percentage change in UGC funding(Academic Years) Real terms 1980–81 to 1983–84

University

(a) including IT and new blood programmes

(b) excluding IT and new blood programmes

Sussex-18·1-18·9
Warwick-11·5-12·1
York-0·3-1·7
Aberystwyth U.C.-16·3-16·6
Bangor U.C.-13·6-13·8
Cardiff U.C.-12·9-13·0
St. David's Lampeter+0·7+0·7
Swansea U.C.-16·0-16·3
University of Wales Institute of Science and Tchnology-15·7-16·1
Welsh National School of Medicine-7·0-7·1
Aberdeen-19·0-19·2
Dundee-15·2-15·3
Edinburgh-8·0-8·6
Glasgow-6·3-6·7
Heriot-Watt-9·0-9·6
St. Andrews-16·6-16-9
Stirling-20·7-21·4
Strathclyde-14·7-14·8

Speech Science

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) what information he has on the numbers of staff engaged in full or part-time teaching on courses leading to degrees in speech science, speech pathology or speech therapy and their places of employment;(2) what information he has as to the number of students, and their place of study, sitting for examinations for degrees in speech science, speech pathology or speech therapy in 1983, 1984 and 1985 and the classification of honours awarded where appropriate;(3) what information he has as to the numbers and location of courses at universities, polytechnics or other institution leading to degrees in speech science, speech pathology or speech therapy.

[pursuant to his reply, 20 November 1985, c. 177–78]: The table published with my reply was misleading. Revised information on the numbers of speech science, speech pathology and speech therapy graduates is as follows:

Church Commissioners

Priests (Retirements And Resignations)

asked the hon. Member for Wokingham as representing the Church Commissioners if he will detail for the last five years the number of priests who have voluntarily retired or resigned early; and if these data can be suitably classified according to reason for the early retirement or resignation.

The commissioners do not keep the information necessary to answer this question precisely. However, the information they do keep indicates that the number of priests who left the commissioners' payroll, other than for normal retirement or death, were:

Number
1980–81208
1981–82195
1982190
1983214
1984237
A number of these will have taken up appointments in other forms of ministry: for example, forces chaplaincy, prison chaplaincy, school or hospital chaplaincy work.

Notes

1.The figures for 1980–81 and 1981–82 refer to the period 1 July to 30 June: the remaining columns refer to calendar years.

2.Clergymen who move directly from an appointment in one diocese to an appointment in another are not included in these figures.

3.The figures relate only to losses from full-time diocesan appointments.

Energy

Coal Industry

asked the Secretary of State for Energy (1) what discussions he has had with the Opencast Executive and the chairman of the National Coal Board regarding privatisation of opencast coalmining operations; and if he will make a statement;(2) what discussions he has had with the chairman and members of the National Coal Board regarding privatisation of some deep mined coal production units; and if he will make a statement.

The Government have no plans for privatising the National Coal Board's mining activities.

Attorney-General

Peremptory Challenges

34.

asked the Attorney-General whether any guidance is given by Her Majesty's Government to counsel appearing in Crown courts on the use of peremptory challenges.

It is not open to the Government to give guidance to counsel appearing in Crown courts on matters such as these. In 1977 the number of peremptory challenges available to each defendant was reduced from seven to three. As the Solicitor-General said in November, while the law so recently approved by Parliament remains as it is, counsel has a right and a duty to use the peremptory challenge, together with all other lawful means, to the extent that he conscientiously thinks it will further his client's interest.

Law Centres

35.

asked the Attorney-General what recent discussions he has had about the future of law centres.

The Lord Chancellor's officials continue to be in touch, as appropriate, with the seven centres funded by the Lord Chancellor's Department and with the Law Centres Federation. Other law centres are not the responsibility of the Lord Chancellor's Department.

Confidentiality

36.

asked the Attorney-General whether he is satisfied with the arrangements for maintaining the confidentiality of advice given by him to other Government Departments.

I an satisfied that the arrangements in my Department are adequate and that other Departments are aware of their duty to maintain the confidentiality of any advice which I may give them.

Family Courts

asked the Attorney-General when the report of the family court review being undertaken by the Lord Chancellor's Department will be published.

It is hoped that a consultation paper will be published shortly and that a final report on the feasibility of the main options for a unified family court will be published by the end of this year or early in 1987.

Legal Aid

asked the Attorney-General whether there are any plans to review the operation of the legal aid scheme.

The Government are concerned that legal aid should be provided in the most cost effective way. It has therefore been decided to carry out a scrutiny with the following terms of reference:

"Given the necessary judicial independence of the courts and existing reviews of court procedure, to consider the determinants of expenditure on the legal aid scheme by looking at its operation and administration in practice, and to make recommendations."
The scrutiny will be undertaken by officials from the Lord Chancellor's Department, the Treasury and the efficiency unit. It is intended that it will begin at the end of January 1986 and will be completed in about four and a half months.

Duty Solicitors

asked the Attorney-General what procedures have been established for the monitoring of the introduction of the duty solicitor scheme in London.

The Law Society is receiving reports on the progress of implementation from its committees responsible for the administration of the 24-hour duty solicitor scheme. In addition, the society has made arrangements for the collection of detailed statistics on work done under the scheme.

Overseas Development

Overseas Aid

42.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what amounts of overseas aid provided by British taxpayers are bilateral, are through the European Economic Community and are through other international agencies such as those of the United Nations.

In 1984–85 aid programme expenditure was £1,165 million. Of this £664 million was provided as bilateral aid, £231 million was channelled through the European Community and £270 million was provided to other multilateral development agencies.

43.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what will be the levels of British bilateral and multilateral aid, respectively, in 1986–87 in real terms compared with the levels of 1978–79.

In 1978–79 bilateral aid was £563 million and multilateral aid £201 million. The aid programme breakdown in 1986–87 is still subject to some uncertainty but in broad terms the level of bilateral aid will be lower in real terms than in 1978–79 and that of multilateral aid greater.

Ethiopia And Sudan

44.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on further emergency assistance to Ethiopia and the Sudan.

We shall continue to provide emergency assistance towards relief needs, and help for rehabilitation, in Ethiopia and the Sudan during 1986, both bilaterally and through the European Community. I have announced already a further £5·2 million relief assistance to the Sudan.

45.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he is satisfied that there will be sufficient food supplies in the Sudan in 1986.

Current assessments are that there will be an overall grain surplus in Sudan this year. However, some areas, particularly Darfur and Kordofan, will be in deficit and a substantial relief effort will be needed. We are ready to play a full part in this. I have already announced today the provision for a further £5·2 million relief assistance to the Sudan.

Yemen Arab Republic

46.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will increase the present British aid programme to the Yemen Arab Republic.

I have no plans at present to do so. My visit last week to the Yemen Arab Republic confirmed the useful work being carried out under our technical cooperation programme. I made clear that there might be scope in the future for funds from the aid and trade provision if suitable project proposals were put forward.

Honduras, Guatemala And El Salvador

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what aid projects in Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador have been funded by Her Majesty's Government for each year since 1979.

Bilateral aid projects financed were as follows:

ProjectAid category*Duration
HONDURAS
Forestry DevelopmentT.C.1979–85
Artisanal FisheriesT.C.1979–84
Coffee Diversification and Development Capital and T.C.1981–85
Natural Resources study of the Mosquitia Region T.C.1981
Water Exploration, Development and Supplies Capital and T.C.1982–85
Provision and Commissioning of Hospital Equipment Capital and T.C.1982–85
Provision of Bailey BridgingCapital1982–85
Agricultural Economist for the National Institute of Agriculture T.C.1983–85
Provision and Commissioning of Land Rovers for the National Institute of Agriculture Capital and T.C.1983–85
Construction of Prefabricated Wooden Bridges T.C.1984–85
Hydraulic Modelling Work for the Aguan River Basin Study A.T.P./T.C.1984
Agricultural Engineer for Ministry of Natural Resources, Unit of Development and AdaptationT.C.1985
GUATEMALA
None
EL SALVADOR Self-Help HousingT.C. (Accountable grant)1979–84
Acelhuate River ManagementT.C.1979–80
Assistance to Central American Technological Institute T.C.1979
Economics Lecturer for Jose Simeon Caras University, San Salvador T.C.1979
Assistance to Veterinary Laboratories at Soyapango, San Miguel and SonsonateT.C.1979
Provision of Equipment for Social Development T.C. (Grant)1985
*TC—Technical Co-operation.
ATP—Aid and Trade Provision.

Central America (Aid)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what is the present total annual volume of European Economic Community aid to all central American countries; and how has this been allocated for each year since 1979.

European Community aid disbursements to Central America were £9·1 million in 1983, the latest year for which complete figures are available.The annual average level of aid commitments in 1979–84 (inclusive) was £22·8 million (38·6 mecu) allocated as follows:

Financial and technicalFood aidEmergency aid Trade promotionTrainingVoluntary organisationsTotal
Guatemala2·4680·8820·2890·1883827
El Salvador9·8830·8250·1300·29411·132
Honduras22·00016·1500·0880·3890·0040·08238·713
Nicaragua15·90927·8240·7070·4242·79247·656
Costa Rica10·6020·2710·0300·5180·30011·721
Panama0·2590·0180·277
Total48·51156·5962·5322·0090·0043·674113·326
Regional programmes23·879
Total137·205

Source: Commission of the European Communities.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what plans there are for further European Economic Community aid to Central American countries; and what restrictions thereon are planned.

The position remains as stated in the reply given to the hon. Member for Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley (Mr. Foulkes) on 12 November 1985, at column 147. Individual proposals will be brought forward by the Commission in due course. These will be designed to support projects of regional importance on the basis of priorities and objectives identified by common agreement.

Trade And Industry

Bsc Chairman (Salary)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will provide details of the salary of the Chairman of the British Steel Corporation at each increase date since 1974.

The information is as follows:

Salary £Effective From
28,1001 January 1974
28,3301 January 1975
28,5381 January 1977
31,3901 January 1978
41·6951 April 1979
48·5001 April1980
55,000*1 September
60,000*1 January
* Part-time

Ultraleisure

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry (1) if he will make a statement on the extent and nature of the Export Credits Guarantee Department's involvement in the circumstances which led to the failure of Ultraleisure and to the current imprisonment of one of the directors of that company;(2) if, in offering cover for the export orders for sports facilities, secured by Ultraleisure in 1981, the Export Credits Guarantee Department's insistence that Ultraleisure should enter into a corporate association with its Danish clients was a normal feature of Export Credits Guarantee Department's policy at that time; and if he will make a statement;

(3) if the Export Credits Guarantee Department's advice in 1985 that a lower rate of interest than that permitted by European Economic Community rules could be offered to Ultraleisure if a Swiss company were set up to act as a front organisation was a feature of the advice the Export Credits Guarantee Department offered to exporters generally at that time; and if he will make a statement;

(4) if the advice tendered by the Export Credits Guarantee Department to Ultraleisure in 1981 has ever been the subject of any inquiry; if the 8½ per cent. interest rate offered at that time to Ultraleisure was a commercial rate in accordance with European Economic Community rules; if the Export Credits Guarantee Department's action in registering charges on the assets of Ultraleisure's Danish client companies without Ultraleisure's knowledge represented normal Export Credits Guarantee Department's policy at that time; and if he will make a statement.

I understand that the police are investigating certain aspects of the affairs of this company. which is in liquidation. The Export Credits Guarantee Department is co-operating with this investigation as necessary. I would not be right for me to comment further on the matter in these circumstances.

Post Office(Financial Return)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether he has issued any directive to the Post Office Corporation requiring it to achieve a break-even financial return on counter services; and whether he wall make a statement.

As I announced on 24 July, at columns 63–64, the Post Office counters business is required to secure a 4·5 per cent. return on turnover on the current cost accounting convention, before tax but after interest, for the financial year 1985–86.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what rate of return he has required the Post Office Corporation to achieve in (a) 1985–86 and (b) 1986–87; and what effect this is expected to have on the income and trading prospects of sub-postmasters or sub-postmistresses.

As I announced on 24 July. at columns 63–64, each of the Post Office mails and counters businesses are required to secure a 4·5 per cent. return on turnover, on the current cost accounting convention, before tax, but after interest, for the financial year 1985–86. Financial targets for mails and counters for 1986 remain to be set. National Girobank is targeted separately.The effect of financial targets set for parts of the Post Office Corporation on the income and trading prospects of sub-postmasters and sub-postmistresses depends on the success of the counters business in providing an efficient and cost-effective service that meets the needs of its agency customers at a price they are prepared to pay.

Westland Helicopters

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what criteria he proposes to use in determining the extent to which (a) the proposed United Technologies holding in Westland and (b) the increased holding on which an option exists are consistent with Her Majesty's Government's policy towards the existence of dominant or controlling foreign interests in strategically important United Kingdom companies; and if he will make a statement.

The Government have always made it clear that it is for Westland as a private sector company, to decide the best route to follow to secure its future and that of its employees. The board of Westland's proposals to shareholders no longer involve an option for United Technologies to acquire additional shares beyond the 29·9 per cent. that would be held by United Technologies and Fiat.

19721979Latest available
United Kingdom207,500204,381217,891(1983)
France108,525106,297127,269(1983)
Germany52,45560,88665,677(1983)
Italy28,50036,57040,920(1981)

Source: "The European Aerospace Industry Trading Position and Figures"—European Commission Staff Working Paper. 11 January 1984. Figures for 1970 are not available.

It is not possible to provide the information requested about companies return on capital employed on a consistent basis without excessive cost.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry, if he was consulted by Lloyds Merchant Bank before it offered 300,000 man hours of work to the Westland company in its document dated 27 December in respect of the ordering of six additional Sea King helicopters; and if he will make a statement.

Company Liquidations (Cardiff, West)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry how many retail businesses employing 10 or fewer people went into liquidation in the area of the Cardiff, West constituency from 1965 to date.

I regret that this information is not available. The main reason is that no records are kept of the number of employees of insolvent businesses.

Airbus

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what proportion of the Airbus is produced in the United Kingdom.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether the Government will make it its policy to guarantee Westland shareholders against losses incurred if the Sikorsky-Fiat bid is rejected in favour of that of the European consortium.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry (1) whether, in considering the future of Westland, the Government had regard to the profitability of the companies which want to acquire its shares; and if he will publish in the Official Report the return on capital employed for each of the past five years of Westland and the other firms in question;(2).whether, in considering the Westland case, the Government had regard to previous examples of collaboration with European firms in the aircraft field;(3) whether he will publish in the

Official Report the numbers employed in the aircraft industry in the United Kingdom, France, Germany and Italy, respectively, in 1970, 1979 and at the latest available date.

The Government have always made it clear that it is for Westland, as a private sector company, to decide the best route to follow to secure its future and that of its employees.The information requested about numbers employed in the aircraft industry is as follows:

The United Kingdom content of the Airbus A300–600 and A310 programmes, as a proportion of the total aircraft, including airframe, engines and equipment, was initially about 12 per cent. for both the General Electric and the Pratt and Whitney engined versions of these aircraft. As a result of the collaborative agreement between General Electric of the United States and Rolls-Royce on the manufacture of the GE CF6–80C2 engines, the United Kingdom content of Airbus A300–600 and A310 aircraft equipped with these engines has now risen to about 16 per cent.On figures currently available, the United Kingdom content of the Airbus A320 will be in the order of 16 per cent. for the CFM engined version and of 26 per cent. for the V2500 engined version.

United States (Trade Deficit)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what was the deficit or surplus in manufacturing trade with the United States of America, France, Germany and Italy, respectively, in the most recent annual period for which figures are available.

United Kingdom crude balance of trade in manufactures* 12 months ending November 1985

£billion

United States of America—0·6
France— 1·2
Federal Republic of Germany—5·7
Italy—1·3
*Standard International Trade Classification Sections 5 to 8.

Source: United Kingdom Overseas Trade Statistics.

Trade Statistics

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will publish a table showing the total value of exports and imports of manufactured goods and the consequent surplus or deficit with the United States of America, the Commonweath and the EEC, respectively, in the most recent annual period for which figures are available.

The information is in the following table.

United Kingdom trade in manufactures*
12 months ending November 1985 £billion OTS basis
ExportsImportsCrude
(fob)(cif)balance
With:
United States of America8·08·6—0·6
The Commonwealth7·33·5+3·8
European Communityt†20·629·5—8·9
*Standard International Trade Classification, Section 5 to 8.
†The members in 1985. Including Spain and Portugal, who became members on 1 January 1986, exports during the above period were £21·8 billion and imports £31·2 billion.

Source: United Kingdom Overseas Trade Statistics.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what percentage of the market for manufactured goods of the original six members of the EEC was secured by the United Kingdom in the most recent calendar year for which figures are available; and what was the comparable percentage in the calendar year 1982.

In 1984, 7·2 per cent. of the imports of manufactures by the original six members of the European Community came from the United Kingdom, the same proportion as in 1982.

Patent Office

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether the Government intend to make the Patent Office a separate statutory body as proposed by the Chief Scientific Advisor, Cabinet Office, in the Green Paper, "Intellectual Property Rights and Innovation" Cmnd. 9117; and if he will make a statement.

The Green Paper, "Intellectual Property Rights and Innovation" (Cmnd. 9117) by Sir Robin Nicholson, the former chief scientific adviser at the Cabinet Office, proposed that the Patent Office should be allowed to be more responsive to the needs of innovation and that it should, therefore, be given a new look, freed from the traditional Civil Service framework and given broader terms of reference. The Green Paper added that the Patent Office should be self-supporting from fees and free to finance investment programmes.The Government have decided that the Patent Office should become a statutory non-departmental public body for broadly these reasons. Legislation will be introduced in due course to give effect to this decision and work on its implementation will begin immediately.Under the new arrangements it is intended that the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry will retain the power to appoint a management board and advisory committees and to set targets.

Northern Ireland

Labour Statistics

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what was the level of unemployment in the construction industry in the Belfast travel-to-work area at the latest date both in numbers and on a percentage basis.

At 12 December 1985 there were 8,778 unemployed construction workers in the Belfast travel-to-work area. This represents an estimated 40 per cent. of all construction employees in that area.

Wales

Water And Sewerage Grants

asked the Secretary of State for Wales how many applications for grants have been made to his Department under the Rural Water Supplies and Sewerage Acts, how many of these were up to the maximum payable; and when the maximum payable figure under this grant was last reviewed by his Department.

During the period 1 April 1979 to date the Department has received 87 applications for grant aid under the Rural Water Supplies and Sewerage Acts 1944–71. The number of grants that were awarded up to the maximum payable is not readily available and could not be obtained without disproportionate cost.The maximum current cost limits for grant calculation purposes, which have operated since October 1978 are: for water supply £1,200 per property; for sewerage services £1,650 per property.

Home Department

Mr Bruce Lee

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he expects to announce his decision as to whether he intends to refer the case of Mr. Bruce Lee under section 17 of the Criminal Appeals Act to ask the Court of Appeal to:review Mr. Lee's conviction and sentence.

Crown Courts (Procedure)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what consideration Her Majesty's s Government are giving to changes in court procedure in Crown Courts.

The Lord Chancellor and I are considering the proposals made by Lord Roskill's committee on fraud trials concerning aspects of Crown court procedure. My noble and learned Friend and I keep Crown court procedure generally under review and some of the possible changes will be discussed in a White Paper I intend to issue on proposals for criminal justice legislation.

Official Secrets Acts ("Daily Telegraph")

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will refer to the Director of Public Prosecutions the publication of matters covered by the Official Secrets Acts relating to immigration procedures in the Daily Telegraph on 3 December; and if he will make a statement.

An investigation is in progress but it has not so far produced information of a kind which would justify asking the Director of Public Prosecutions to look into the matter.

Leicestershire Constabulary

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is the current approved

Police authority/forceIncrease applied forIncrease approved
City of London*6 (for 1985–86)
Cumbria*14 (for 1985£86)
Devon and Cornwall 5 (for 1985–86)5
*18 (for 1986–87)
Dorset2020
Essex1010
Hertfordshire*33 (for October 1986)
Northamptonshire6 (for 1985–86)6
*23 (for 1986–87)
Staffordshire*52
Suffolk*50 (from April 1986)
Surrey2210
Sussex*66 (for January 1987)
Thames Valley†l6730
*200(for 1986–87 onwards)
Warwickshire*29
West Mercia3030
Wiltshire*11
* These applications are under consideration.
†Thames Valley applied in November 1984 for 174 additional police posts without specifying when they would be needed. An increase of 20 posts was subsequently approved for 1984–85, and 30 for 1985–86. The current application for an increase of 200 posts supersedes the previous application.
Fifty additional police posts have been approved for the Metropolitan police for 1985–86 and 50 for 1986–87. In addition, as my right hon. Friend indicated to the House on 21 October 1985 at column 31, he has set urgent work in hand to assess where there are demonstrated needs for increases in the Metropolitan police establishment.We consider applications for increases in police establishments on the basis of the demonstrated needs of police forces, and in the light of advice from Her Majesty's Inspectors of Constabulary, who have been requested by my right hon. Friend to assess the position.

Correspondence

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he expects to reply to the letter sent on 30 May on behalf of a Leamington Spa constituent, Mr. Ian Tyres, in connection with the policy of immigration of Sri Lankans into the United kingdom. manpower of the Leicestershire constabulary; and how this compares with the national average on officers per thousand population.

The authorised establishment of the Leicestershire constabulary is 1,733. On 31 December 1984 the ratio of police officers to population in Leicestershire was 1:499, compared with the average of 1:458 for police forces outside London in England and Wales, and 1:411 for all forces in England and Wales.

Police Forces (Establishments)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many police forces have applied for an increase in establishment over the last 12 months; and on what criteria he reaches his decisions on such applications.

Fifteen police authorities in England and Wales have applied for increases totalling 595 in their authorised establishments for the financial year 1985–86 or later. One hundred and eleven additional posts have so far been approved for seven forces, and decisions will be made shortly on the outstanding applications.

Local Authorities (Emergency Planning Staff Levels, And Salaries)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he hopes to advise local authorities on recommended emergency planning staff levels and salaries.

A decision will be taken later this year on whether and what advice on manpower levels would be appropriate when the assessment of progress made on implementation of the 1983 regulations is complete. Staff salaries are a matter for local authorities to determine.

Law And Order Policy

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department on what statistical or other material he assesses the outcome of his law and order policy.

Relevant information comes from a variety of sources. Statistics are collected centrally on recorded crime, cautioning, court proceedings, the treatment of offenders, and the work of the police, the courts, the probation service and the prison service. These regular central statistics are supplemented by information held locally and by a wide-ranging programme of research which is carried out into particular aspects of the criminal justice system. All the main statistical series and research results are published. A wide range of advice is also available to us from those working in the field of law and order.

Alcohol-Related Offences

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if his Department has any estimate of the number of offences in which alcohol was a contributory factor, in each of the last five years; and if he will make a statement.

Comprehensive estimates are not available of the number of offences in which alcohol was a contributory factor. Results from the "British Crime Survey" suggest that in 1983 approximately 45 per cent. of offences of wounding or assault were committed by people who were thought by their victims to have been drinking. Statistics of convictions for offences of driving after consuming alcohol or taking drugs are published annually in the Home Office Statistical Bulletin "Offences Relating to Motor Vehicles" (Table 5·1 of the latest Issue number 28/85). Statistics of convictions and cautions for offences of drunkenness are published annually in the Statistical Bulletin "Offences of Drunkenness" (Issue No. 33/85).

10 Downing Street (Security)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, pursuant to his reply of 19 December, when he expects the inquiry into the security breach at No. 10 Downing street on 13 December to be completed; and if he will make a statement.

The review was completed before Christmas. It made recommendations for improving the security of No. 10 itself, and the co-ordination of security arrangements between 10 Downing street and adjacent buildings. These are being implemented. It would not be right, on security grounds, to go into detail about the new arrangements.

Immigration

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) if he will arrange for discussions to take place with relevant immigrant welfare organisations regarding the position of sponsors waiting for passengers at Heathrow airport who are undergoing lengthy and non-continuous interviewing;(2) if he is satisfied with the arrangements at Heathrow airport for sponsors of passengers subject to lengthy and non-continuous interviewing to be kept informed of the up-to-date position; and if he will make a statement;

(3) if he will arrange for the immigration authorities at Heathrow airport to set up an inquiry desk where sponsors of passengers subject to lengthy interviewing can be given the fullest up-to-date position.

Representatives of a number of organisations representing immigrants or concerned with immigration and community relations matters have visited Heathrow in recent months and have observed the immigration control in operation. Some have discussed with officials the position of sponsors waiting for passengers and their comments have been carefully noted. Our officials are prepared to make similar arrangements for representatives of other interested organisations.There are a number of reasons, including the pressures on immigration officers at Heathrow, which contribute to difficulties in providing prompt and adequate information to sponsors. The main difficulty arises where the sponsor knows that a flight on which a particular passenger is expected has landed but his inquiries cannot be answered because the passenger has not yet reached the initial control, is being examined on that control or, having passed through it, is awaiting his or her baggage in the Customs Hall. If it is decided that a passenger has to be questioned at greater length than is possible on the initial control, inquiries can generally be answered promptly, but there are occasions when the large number of passengers requiring further examination causes delay.Communications at terminal 3 should shortly be improved by the installation of an immigration booth and courtesy telephone giving direct access to the Immigration Office. The situation will be kept under review.

Brixton Prison (Strip Searches)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many strip searches have taken place in Brixton prison in the last 12 months.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department to what extent reasonable suspicion is a pre-condition of the carrying out of strip searches in Brixton prison.

Strip searches as a routine security measure, for example, before and after court appearances, after visits, at the time of cell changes and during wing and cell searches, are not restricted to occasions when an officer has a reasonable suspicion that the particular prisoner has an unauthorised article concealed about his (or her) person. Where an officer has such reasonable suspicion, a special search may be carried out on the authority of the governor, deputy governor or chief officer.

Townley Gardens, Birmingham

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how long the houses owned by his Department in Townley gardens, Birmingham, have been empty; when he expects disposal to take place; and if he will make a statement.

:The seventeen houses became empty on various dates since June 1981 but mainly in 1983. It was decided in July 1984 to dispose of 13 of the houses; later it was decided to dispose of the other four. Contracts in respect of all the houses have been exchanged with a prospective purchaser. Purchase of one .pf them has now been completed and the prospective purchaser is legally committed to completion of purchase of the remaining sixteen by 31 January. Negotiations with two previous prospective purchasers were unsuccessful.

Metropolitan Police

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if it is the practice of the community relations branch of the Metropolitan police to maintain lists of the party political affiliations of London borough councillors.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will explain the functions of the Metropolitan police's docklands policing secretariat.

The docklands policing secretariat is a small unit established by the Chief Superintendent in charge of the Metropolitan police "HH" Division. Its purpose is to help him and his officers to liaise effectively with all the agencies involved in the re-development of docklands, and to assist in the assessment of the long term policing needs of the area.

Drug Dealers

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many police officers are locally deployed against drug dealers in each of the London boroughs; and if he will make a statement.

As at 1 January 1986, of 91 officers were employed full-time on drugs work in the London boroughs as follows:

BoroughOfficers
Barking and Dagenham8
Havering and Newham
Brent2
Camden8
Chelsea5
Croydon and Sutton3
Hammersmith and Fulham2
Harrow2
Hounslow and Richmond2
Kensington10
Lambeth9
Lewisham and Bromley13
Marylebone6
Paddington10
Wandsworth6
Westminster5
Total91
In addition all district and divisional crime squad officers may undertake drug investigations as part of their general duties. The central drug squad, which has an establishment of 57 officers, operates throughout the Metropolitan police district against drug traffickers and dealers.

Prevention Of Terrorism Act

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many people have been held in custody under the provisions of the Prevention of Terrorism Act in Newham, in 1984 and in 1985.

The information requested is not held centrally. The readily available information relates to the Metropolitan police district as a whole and is of those detained under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Acts 1976 and 1984. Sixty-three persons were so detained in 1984 and 34 in the first nine months of 1985. To provide information about individual police districts would involve disproportionate cost.

Metropolitan Police (Skills Training)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what percentage of the Metropolitan police training expenditure is spent on police skills training; and if there are any plans to increase this percentage.

The Commisioner of Police of the Metropolis tells me that information about the proportion of all Metropolitan police training expenditure which is devoted specifically to police skills training is not readily available and could be obtained only at disproportionate cost. Some 22 per cent. of the initial 20-week recruit training course is spent on the study of community relations, race relations, interpersonal skills and the role of the force. There are no plans to increase the proportion of Metropolitan police training devoted to work in this area.

Public Order White Paper

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will list all organisations which have made submissions on the public order White Paper; and if he will place copies of the submissions in the Library.

Comments on the White Paper were received from the following organisations:

  • Guild of British Newspaper Editors
  • Football Trust
  • Law Society
  • Commission for Racial Equality
  • London Borough of Croydon
  • London Borough of Camden
  • National Union of Public Employees
  • Engineering Employers' Federation
  • Association of County Councils
  • Legal Action Group
  • Liverpool 8 Law Centre
  • Magistrates' Association
  • City of London Police Committee
  • Community/Police Consultative Group for Lambeth
  • London Borough of Southwark
  • Prosecuting Solicitors' Society of England and Wales
  • Association of Liberal Lawyers
  • Council for Country Sports
  • Justices' Clerks Society
  • London Borough of Tower Hamlets
  • Working Group of the Faculty of Law, Aberdeen University
  • Association of Scottish Police Superintendents
  • Association of Chief Police Officers'(Scotland)
  • Scottish Police Federation
  • London Borough of Hackney
  • London Borough of Newham
  • Confederation of Health Service Employees (COHSE)
  • Haldane Society of Socialist Lawyers
  • JUSTICE
  • London Borough of Islington
  • West Yorks County Council
  • Police Federation (England and Wales)
  • National Council for Civil Liberties
  • Association of District Councils
  • City of Coventry
  • Society of Civil and Public Servants
  • Cardiff City Council
  • National Association of Probation Officers
  • Greater Manchester Council
  • Organisation of Private Tenants
  • Association of Metropolitan Authorities
  • Association of British Insurers
  • Criminal Bar Association
  • Howard League
  • Board of Deputies of British Jews
  • Metropolitan Police
  • Merseyside County Council
  • National Farmers' Union
  • London Borough of Ealing
  • Association of London Authorities
  • National and Local Government Officers' Association
  • Law Society (Local Government Group)
  • Association of Chief Police Officers
  • Association of British Chambers of Commerce
  • Convention of Scottish Local Authorities
  • National Association of Community Relations Councils
  • Campaign for Homosexual Equality
  • Trades Union Congress
  • Police Superintendents' Association (England and Wales)
  • Society of Conservative Lawyers
  • Central Electricity Generating Board
  • Conservative Group for Homosexual Equality
  • Scottish Council for Civil Liberties
  • Anti-Apartheid Movement
  • Greater London Council
  • Council on Tribunals
  • Country Landowners' Association
  • Not all these submissions were made in the expectation that they would be published, and I do not think it would be right for me to place them in the Library.

    Person received into Prison Derpartment establishment in the years 1970 to 1977 under sentence for murder by year of reception under sentence, type of discharge and time spent under sentence in prison Department establishments

    Number of persons

    Year of reception, under sentence and type of discharge

    Number discharged by years under sentence†

    Up to 1

    Over 1 up to 2

    Over 2 up to 3

    Over 3 up to 4

    Over 4 up to 5

    Over 5 up to 6

    Over 6 up to 7

    Over 7 up to 8

    Over 8 up to 9

    Over 9 up to 10

    Over 10 up to 11

    Over 11 up to 12

    Over 12 up to 13

    Over 13 up to 14

    Over 14 up to 15

    Total discharged

    Population in custody December 1985

    1970
    On licence21416510138217116
    Other‡31239
    1971
    On licence13410118556115522
    Other‡421221214
    1972
    On licence155791461*4819
    Other‡11112*10
    1973
    On licence1142813962**4638
    Other‡211**4
    1974
    On licence2331116952***5160
    Other‡1112121***9
    1975
    On licence2331082****2866
    Other†41221112****14
    1976
    On licence124773*****2477
    Other†212*****5
    1977
    On licence2471******1493
    Other‡322212******12
    *Not applicable.
    †Excluding any time spent either on remand in custody, in non-Prison Department establishments or following any subsequent re-call.
    ‡Including successful appeals, deaths and transfers to psychiatric hospitals or to outside England and Wales.
    ¦¦Based on central records which are approximate.

    Hostile Attacks (Monitoring)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, pursuant to his answer of 19 December 1985, Official Report, column 274, by what means, in what form and by whom the studies into ways of detecting and monitoring the effects of chemical attack and issuing appropriate public warnings are being conducted.

    This work is an analytical review of the requirements for and the availability of detection, warning and monitoring equipment. It is being undertaken by the United Kingdom warning and monitoring organisation and the scientific research and development branch of the Home Office.

    Crime Statistics

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many prisoners convicted for murder in each year from 1970 to 1977 have since been released from prison; and what was the length of sentence served for each prisoner released.

    [pursuant to his reply, 11 December 1985, c. 646]: The readily available information is given in the following table, which also shows the numbers received in each year who were still in custody in December 1985.

    Environment

    Watts Report

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what response he has had to the Watts report on water metering.

    I have invited bodies representing consumer and other interests to comment upon the report by 10 March. About 25 letters have been received to date, expressing a variety of views.

    Council House Sales

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment, pursuant to the answer of 19 December to the hon. Member for Welwyn Hatfield about local authority housing stock, what steps he is taking to collect information on the claims received and houses sold in Welwyn Hatfield between 3 October 1980 and 30 September 1985.

    Figures of right to buy progress from Welwyn Hatfield district council's September quarter statistical return were not available in time for inclusion in the table to which my hon. Friend refers. The authority has reported a total of 5,428 right to buy claims, of which 5,231 had been admitted and 2,822 sales completed in the period 3 October 1980 to 30 September 1985.

    Nature Conservation

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) whether the Nature Conservancy Council will consult the Anglian water authority about the practicalities of enclosing an area of the marshes of the Wash before agreeing to compensate any owners under the Wildlife and Countryside Act;(2) whether any negotiations are taking place between the Nature Conservancy Council and any owners of the marshes of the Wash for compensation under the Wildlife and Countryside Act.

    It is the Nature Conservancy Council's normal practice to consult both the Anglian water authority and the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food about all proposals involving land reclamation in the Wash.The NCC is currently negotiating with two landowners concerning the future management of one area of some 600 acres, and is discussing inter alia the details of compensation under the Wildlife and Countryside Act.

    Ec (Council Building)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will give details of the cost and the tendering procedure for the new Council building of the European Economic Community in Brussels.

    No reliable estimates of cost are yet available. Preliminary sketch plans are due to be submitted by the Belgian authorities to the Council of Ministers later this year.The tendering arrangements provide for site preparation and site infrastructure to be handled by the Belgian authorities at no cost to the European Community. The substructure work will be handled by a general contractor already selected by the Belgian authorities. The superstructure, services and finishes will be the subject of competitive tendering by the Belgian authorities, under normal EC rules.

    Private Rented Accommodation

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will take steps to monitor the effect of the House of Lords decision in the Street v Mountford case on the supply of private rented accommodation.

    We shall take account of this matter when considering the need for future research on the private rented sector as a whole.

    Industrial Development (Hampshire)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what information he has as to how many areas in Hampshire are available for industrial development, by district, indicating the number of hectares in each case.

    I do not have this information about land available for industrial development in Hampshire. The county council, with the agreement of the districts, produces an annual schedule of industrial land supply.

    Glory Hole, Portsmouth

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if an application has been received by his Department for a derelict land grant for the Glory Hole, Portsmouth; and if he will make a statement.

    My Department received an application for derelict land grant from Portsmouth city council on 29 March 1985 for part of the site to be developed for housing and gave a pre-tender approval on 18 September 1985. Following a site investigation for chemical contamination, which identified various potentially hazardous materials including asbestos, my Department has received a request from the council for additional grant to dispose of the contaminated soil to a controlled site. My Department is presently awaiting further information from the council.

    Coal Industry

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will list by site and county all opencast coalmining applications received since 1 January 1984, stating in each case whether authorization has been granted, refused or is still pending; and if he will list separately for each approved case, and for each refused or as yet unauthorised case, the tonnage per year to be mined and the time period requested or authorised.

    Under section 1 of the Opencast Coal Act 1958 the National Coal Board requires an authorisation, issued by the appropriate Secretary of State, in respect of each opencast coal site before work at the site may commence. Since 1 March 1984 the responsibility for issuing authorisations has rested with my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Environment.The following table gives the information requested.

    Application for authorization since 1 January 1984—in chronological order

    Site

    County

    Total tonnage '000 tonnes

    Status

    1. KingswoodStaffordshire227Authorised
    2.FlagstaffLeicestershire280Authorised
    3.Dog LaneShropshire200Pending
    4. AmberswoodLancashire190Authorised
    5. KirkDerbyshire2,500Pending
    6. PotatopotCumbria2,000Authorised
    7. Chester HouseNorthumberland3,000Authorised
    8. BarnabasDerbyshire210Pending
    9.BilstonWest Midlands364Pending
    10. PlenmellerNorthumberland1,900Pending
    11. High LaneStaffordshire2,400Pending
    12. RyefieldDerbyshire27Authorised
    13. Moira PotteryLeicestershire100Pending
    14.Streets LaneStaffordshire2,300Pending

    Note:No information is available about annual extraction rates and the authorisation by the Secretary of State does not relate to a specific time period.

    Basildon District Council

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether Basildon district council has appealed against its rate being capped.

    The council did not seek redetermination of the expenditure level notified to it in July. The council has been asked to indicate by 22 January whether it accepts the proposed rate limit of 52·75p which my right hon. Friend notified to it on 18 December.

    Housing

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) what was the waiting list for housing in Liverpool at the latest available date;2.if he will publish in the

    Official Report the housing waiting list for London boroughs at the latest available date;

    3.if he will publish the waiting lists for housing for Manchester, Sheffield, Birmingham and Leeds at the latest available date;

    Information on local authority waiting lists for housing is not collected centrally.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) why he approved an urban development grant for the Spencerbeck estate in Langbaurgh which involves the loss of the second water closet in the three-bedroomed houses;2.if he will publish details of the updated returns which he requested by the end of December 1985 from local authorities in respect of additional resources required to operate the Housing Defects Act 1984;3.what is the most recent estimate of the cost to local authorities of providing bed and breakfast accommodation for homeless families;4.if he will list the totals for England of each aspect of housing needs appraisal listed on the numerical statement sent by housing authorities to his Department on form DOE 16314;5.how the net provisions for the total housing programme in 1986–87 compare with the expected outturn for 1985–86; and if he will show the difference in

    (a) cost and (b) real terms.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will list for each of the designated houses in the Housing Defects Act the progress in obtaining an approval and warranty scheme for repair methods and show how many reinstatement grants have been offered for each type of house.

    PRC Homes Ltd has now approved repair systems for Airey, Cornish Unit and Unity houses. These types account for more than half of the PRC houses in private ownership. Details from the company of progress on the approval of repair systems for all designated types are as follows:

    House typeNumber notified but not yet submittedNumber submitted but not yet approvedNumber approved
    Airey571
    Boot1
    Butterley
    Cornish Unit242
    Dorran
    Dyke
    Gregory
    Hawkesley SGS
    Myton
    Newland
    Orlit31
    Parkinson2
    Reema Hollow Panel1
    Schindler
    Stent11
    Stonecrete
    Tarran1
    Underdown
    Unity321
    Waller
    Wates2
    Wessex
    Winget
    Woolaway22
    Totals22184
    Information on the number of reinstatement grants offered for each type is not available. But my Department will be asking local authorities, at the end of this financial year, to provide information on the number of reinstatement grants given for each type.

    Urban Deprivation

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will list in the Official Report his assessment of the level of urban deprivation in Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham, Sheffield, Newcastle and Leeds; and if he will make a statement on the basis on which the level of urban deprivation was assessed in each case.

    There is no single authoritative measure for the level of deprivation in an urban area. However, my Department's census information note No. 2, copies of which are in the Library of the House, shows how the areas of individual local authorities score on various indicators which were taken into account in deciding their urban programme status.

    Water Authorities

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will tabulate in the Official Report at 1985 prices the percentage return on national capital required or obtained by each regional water authority in England together with the sum in each case for the financial year 1978–79, the latest year for which figures are available and his estimates for 1985–86, respectively.

    Financial targets in the form of a rate of return on net current cost assets were first set for water authorities in respect of 1981-82. The rates of return required of regional water authorities in England for the years 1984–85 and 1985–86 are set out in the following table. When account is taken of the carry forward of any under or over achievement of the target set for the preceding year, all English authorities met their financial targets in 1984–85.

    Regional Water AuthorityRequired return (per cent.)
    1984–851985–86
    North West0·951·43
    Northumbrian1·251·48
    Severn Trent1·251·47
    Yorkshire1·001·43
    Anglian1·361·62
    Thames0·501·37
    Southern0·911·41
    Wessex0·611·40
    South West1·261·54

    London Docklands

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what was the source and basis of the statement he made on 11 December, Official Report, column 944, that 4,700 permanent jobs have been created in the London docklands.

    The figure of 4,700 permanent jobs created in London docklands quoted is derived from two sources: (1) LDDC's record of firms that have moved into the area since July 1981 (3,772 jobs created); and (2) the number of jobs created through IUAA funding (928 jobs created).

    Local Authorities (Capital Receipts)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is his latest forecast of local authority capital receipts for 1985–86; and how this compares with the forecast and assumptions made in December 1984.

    The latest forecast of local authority capital receipts against the five service blocks of the DOE/LA1 cash limit for 1985–86 is £2,071 million. This is based on projection of returns from local authorities covering capital expenditure and receipts in the first six months of the year. It compares with an assumption of £2,120 million made in December 1984. These figures both exclude receipts from area health authorities for jointly funded schemes.

    Water Supplies

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what percentage of homes in England are connected to the public water supply; and how this compares with other member states of the European Community.

    The percentage of the population in England whose homes are connected to the public water supply is 99 per cent. Comparable percentages for other member states of the European Community as quoted in the WHO and International Water Supply Association publication "Statistical Survey of Water and Sanitation Services in Europe 1983" are:

    Per cent.
    Belgium98
    Denmark92
    France98
    Greecen/a
    Irelandn/a
    Italy90
    Luxembourg99
    Netherlands100
    Portugaln/a
    Spain82
    West Germany98
    n/a=Not available.

    Homelessness

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment to what factors he attributes the rise in homeless households housed as secure tenants as a percentage of all new secure tenancies in England as set out in his answer of 18 November 1985, Official Report, column 58.

    Local Government Reform

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) if he will state his Department's latest available information on the savings or costs arising from abolition of the Greater London council and each of the metropolitan county councils; and if he will make a statement;(2) if he will state his Department's latest available information on the likely number of redundancies arising from abolition of the Greater London council and the metropolitan county councils; and if he will make a statement.

    The explanatory and financial memorandum to the Local Government Act 1985 provided estimates for these matters. My right hon. Friend has consistently made it clear that the outcome will depend on the decisions made by successor bodies.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will state the number of bodies, existing or proposed, due to inherit services currently administered by the Greater London council; and if he will make a statement.

    The destination of GLC functions and responsibilities was set out in my Department's guidance note of 16 July 1985, a copy of which has been placed in the Library.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what cost will be involved in his Department's distribution of the leaflet describing the new structures for London and metropolitan local government; when it will be issued; and how many copies will be produced.

    The Government will be arranging for leaflets describing the new structure of local government in Greater London and the metropolitan areas, to be sent to households and business premises in March, as was done in 1974. It is not yet possible to say what the cost will be.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment, in view of the decision taken by the London Co-ordinating Committee about the disability resource team, if he will make a statement on the future of the team after abolition of the Greater London council.

    This is primarily a matter for boroughs, but I understand that a decision has been taken to set up a London-wide disability unit after abolition of the GLC.

    Rates

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he has responded to the request from the London Co-ordinating Committee that the 2p rate allowable under section 137 to London boroughs be doubled to 4p following abolition of the Greater London council; and if he will make a statement.

    My Department replied to the London Co-ordinating Committee on 10 December 1985.

    Glc Research Library

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) what plans exist to safeguard the Greater London council research library's ACOMPLINE databases;(2) if he will make a statement on the future of the Greater London council research library.

    These are matters for the boroughs, together with the London Residuary Body which will be taking on the GLC's central computing services.

    Local Authorities (Staff)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will publish a table in the OfficialReport showing the total numbers of staff employed (full-time, part-time, and full-time equivalent) by (a) all local authorities in England, and (b) by local authorities by their party of control since 1979 to date.

    Grants

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment why he has not yet given his consent to a grant to Tower Hamlets for anti-racist activity for which the Greater London council applied on 27 September 1985.

    Additional information on this application was received from the GLC on 24 December. A decision will be reached as soon as possible.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) why he has not yet given his consent to a grant for Lambeth homelessness initiatives for 16 to 18-year-olds, for which the Greater London council applied on 27 September 1985;(2).why he has not yet given his consent to a grant to Lambeth Vietnamese project for which the Greater London council applied on 27 September 1985;(3).why he has not yet given his consent to a grant to Tower Hamlets, George Green centre, for which the Greater London council applied on 27 September 1985;(4) why he has not yet given his consent to a grant to Tower Hamlets, Langdon Park, for which the Greater London council applied on 27 September 1985;(5) why he has not yet given his consent to a grant to the Tower Hamlets and Wapping sports centre for which the Greater London council applied on 27 September 1985;(6).why he has not yet given his consent to a grant to Tower Hamlets for homeless families for which the Greater London council applied on 27 September 1985;(7) why he has not yet given his consent to a grant for a neighbourhood gypsy worker in Hammersmith and Fulham for which the Greater London council applied on 27 September 1985;(8) why he has not yet given his consent to a grant to the Tower Hamlets museum service for a mobile museum for which the Greater London council applied on 27 September 1985.

    Consent under section 91 of the Local Government Act 1985 was given in all these cases on 18 December 1985. I refer the hon. Member to the answer my right hon. Friend gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Erith and Crayford (Mr. Evennett) on 18 December 1985, at column 219, which announced this decision.

    Glc Welfare Benefits Project

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment why he has not yet given his consent to a contract for publicity information and translated materials for the Greater London council welfare benefits project, for which the Greater London council applied on 28 August 1985.

    This application is receiving very careful consideration in the light of the significant expenditure involved.

    London Docklands Development Corporation

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment with reference to housing land transfers of London Docklands Development Corporation-owned land, what are the names of the schemes and the developers and the total numbers of transfers so far undertaken in each scheme.

    [pursuant to his answer, 15 November 1985, c. 312]: The information requested is provided in the following table.

    Site NameUnits Sold before 30 September 1985
    London borough of Newham
    Mariners Reach (Wimpey)158
    Parkside (Barratt)184
    Riverside Park (Comben)114
    Birch Trees (Broseley)148
    The Parks (Barratt)212
    Meadow Vale (Wimpey)162
    Linton Gardens (Comben)194
    Tollgate Park (Broseley)167
    Oakleigh Park (Barratt)59
    Alestan Beck (Countryside)158
    Beddalls Reach (Hey and Croft)40
    Tollgate Square (Golding)15
    The Beacons (Bennett)14
    The Rodings (Jerram)12
    Tollgate C1 (Abbey National HA17
    Tollgate D2 (EAst London HA31
    Newham total1,685
    London borough of Southwark
    Acorn Yard (Roger Malcolm)61
    Lavender Green (WPHT HA)111
    Reveley Lock (Countryside)116
    Nelsons Reach(Broseley)118
    Lady Dock (Lovell Farrow)136
    Lavender Quay (Wimpey)51
    Ronald Buckingham Court (RBL HA)28
    Elephant Lane (Regan)76
    Brunswick Quay (Daniel Homes)9
    Gullivers Place (Costain)54
    Southwark total760
    London borough of Tower Hamlets
    South Quay (Broseley)182
    Waterman Quay (Central Ideal Homes)17
    Quayside (Barratt)73
    Riverside Mansions (Regalian)160
    Friars Mead (Comben/Central Ideal)74
    London Yard (LY Development Co)10
    Caledonian Wharf (Bates)100
    Tower Hamlets total616
    LDDC total3,061
    1. Housing Association Schemes represent transfers of land for the provision of the stated number of units.2. Total includes reserved plots on sites which are still under construction.

    Docklands Light Railway

    asked the Secretary of State for the environment what existing developments will be displaced in relation to the construction of the Docklands light railway, and with what employment consquences.

    [pursuant to his answer, 19 November 1985, c. 148]: the construction of the Docklands light railway has resulted in the displacement of a number of firms, as set out in the following table. No further displacement of business is envisaged.

    Number of firmsJobs lost
    Businesses relocated310
    Business closed for temporary period only50
    Business that may have to close due to access problems26
    Business voluntarily closed down49
    Business extinguished813
    Some 440 people are currently employed on the construction of the railway which, when complete, will provide local firms with rapid and reliable communications both within docklands and with the rest of London.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment, with reference to appendix 1 of the London docklands Development Corporation's five-year operational plan published in January, whether the projections shown were made within the constraints imposed by the Government's external financing limit; and if he will make a statement.

    [pursuant to his answer, 6 December 1985, c. 375]: London Docklands Development Corporation's corporate plan (which includes the operational plan) is in part a bid for resources for future years. The external financing limit, which is notified to the corporation following the previous year's public expenditure survey, applies only to the current year. The corporate plan submission takes account of resource levels set in the public expenditure survey for future years as well as bidding for more. The programme at appendix 1 of the LDDC's five-year operational plan, to which the hon. Member refers, illustrates the levels of activity which would occur if the bid was met in full.

    Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

    Namibia

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (1) what is his policy towards moves by the internal Namibian political parties of the multi-party conference to represent the views of Namibians in the United Nations General Assembly on the same basis as the South West Africa People's Organisation; and if he will make a statement;(2) what is Her Majesty's Government's policy on South West Africa People's Organisation representatives being allowed to address the United Nations General Assembly.

    We have always been prepared to support requests from the representatives of political parties in Namibia to have their views heard in United Nations fora. However, we consider that only free and fair elections, as provided for in the United Nations plan, will determine who has the right to represent the views of the Namibian people in the United Nations General Assembly, as elsewhere.

    British Citizens Abroad (Detention)

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will list in the Official Report the number of British citizens now held in custody pending trial in countries which are members of the Council of Europe at the latest available date; what is the longest time for which any individual has been so held; and if he will make a statement.

    The longest time any individual currently in detention pending trial has been so held is 16 months: the charge is murder and neither the individual nor his legal representative is pressing for a trial date to be finalised. All cases of detention of which we are notified are monitored by our posts overseas. In accordance with generally accepted international practice, we cannot intervene in the due process of law in another sovereign country any more than we would accept intervention in our own judicial process. The latest available figures are as follows:

    British Citizens in detention and awaiting trial in Council of Europe countries
    Number
    France45
    Federal Republic of Germany78
    Netherlands13
    Belgium15
    Luxembourg0
    Denmark11
    Greece45
    Italy7
    Spain94
    Portugal6
    Malta3
    Cyprus3
    Norway12
    Sweden14
    Switzerland19
    Turkey0
    Austria5
    Iceland0
    IrelandNot known
    Liechtenstein0
    Total370

    Honduras, Guatemala And El Salvador

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what is the policy of Her Majesty's Government on providing regular advice on defence matters to the Governments of (i) Honduras, (ii) Guatemala and (iii) El Salvador through the defence attaché based at Her Majesty's embassy in Mexico.

    It is not our policy to provided advice on defence matters to the Governments of Honduras, Guatemala or El Salvador. The role of the defence attaché based in Mexico City, who is also accredited to Honduras and El Salvador, is to advise Her Majesty's ambassador on defence related matters.We have no diplomatic relations with Guatemala.

    Chile

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether Her Majesty's Government have made any representations to the special United Nations rapporteur on human rights in Chile.

    We have not made any direct representations to the United Nations special rapporteur on human rights in Chile. However, as a member of the United Nations Commission on Human Rights we supported in March 1985 a resolution which extended his mandate and requested him to report again on the human rights situation in Chile.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many formal meetings have been held since November 1984 between Her Majesty's embassy in Santiago and representatives of the Government of Chile; and how many of these have been concerning human rights.

    We make regular and frequent representations on human rights and other issues to the Government of Chile both in Santiago and London.

    Pedro Fernandez Lembach

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what is the latest information that Her Majesty's Government have concerning the imprisonment of Pedro Fernandez Lembach.

    There has been no change in the policy of the Chilean Government concerning the imprisonment of Pedro Fernandez Lembach.

    Ec (Defence)

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement of the policy of Her Majesty's Government regarding the extent to which the treaty of Rome permits the EEC to participate in defence issues.

    Defence issues as such do not fall within the scope of the treaty of Rome. Political and economic aspects of European security are discussed among the EC member states in the political co-operation framework. Such discussions are also covered in the treaty on European co-operation in the sphere of foreign policy, which was agreed in principle at the Luxembourg European Council (2–3 December 1985). But European defence co-operation is handled in other fora, including NATO, Eurogroup, Western European Union, the Independent European Programme Group, as well as directly between national Governments.

    Westland Helicopters

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (1) whether he has been informed by the Italian Government that they are opposed to any collaboration between European and United States firms on defence projects and in particular between Westland and Sikorski-Fiat;(2).whether he has been informed by the Government of the French Republic that they are opposed to collaboration between European and United States firms on defence projects and, in particular, to any collaboration between Westland and Sikorski-Fiat;(3) whether he has been informed by the Government of the Federal Republic of Germany that they re opposed to collaboration between Westland and Sikorski-Fiat and to the purchase by European Governments of helicopters for defence which incorporate United States technology or United States components.

    I refer the hon. Member to the answer given by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister earlier today.

    Transport

    Channel Fixed Link

    6.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what estimate he has made of the effect on the size of the United Kingdom merchant fleet of building the Channel fixed link.

    This matter will be dealt with in the White Paper on the Channel fixed link which the government intend to issue as soon as possible after the decision.

    19.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will make a statement on the latest position in relation to a decision on the Channel fixed link.

    My right hon. Friend the Prime Minister plans to meet the French President on 20 January to take a decision on which scheme, if any, should go ahead.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport (1) in his forthcoming White Paper on a Channel fixed link, what conditions he expects to seek to impose on any chosen operator in respect of differential tariff structures between through rail, ferry rail, and road traffic, respectively;(2) if, in his forthcoming White Paper on all aspects of the Channel fixed link, he will indicate for each scheme a comparison with the general level of current charges on ferries for each main category of traffic on current and projected volumes of traffic, respectively;(3) if, in his forthcoming White Paper on the Channel fixed link, he will indicate for each option the range of expected reduction in transport costs for road freight travelling by the proposed Channel fixed links between Birmingham and Frankfurt;(4) if, in his forthcoming White Paper on the Channel fixed link, he will estimate for each option the range of expected saving in time occasioned by the construction of a Channel fixed link, over use of Hovercraft, for travellers by road from London to Paris;(5) if, in his forthcoming White Paper on the Channel fixed link, he will indicate the approximate expected reduction, in per cent. of the cost of rail passenger travel between London and Brussels occasioned by each applicable option.

    My right hon. Friend will bear these suggestions in mind for the content of the White Paper that the Government will issue if it is decided to proceed with a fixed link.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what recent representations he has received about the Channel fixed link.

    I refer the hon. Member to the reply given by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State to my hon. friend the Member for Southend, East (Mr. Taylor) earlier today.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if, in his forthcoming White Paper on all aspects of a Channel fixed link, he will list the principal causes of delay and hazard in the existing road traffic tunnels in the world and the Blackwall tunnel and summarise in that paper the plans for their avoidance in any proposed road tunnel.

    The safe and efficient flow of traffic through a fixed link is of considerable concern to the Government and, if the project goes ahead, the Government will ensure that the concession agreement with the successful promoter imposes appropriate obligations upon the promoter in this regard, and enables the Government to approve and monitor the promoter's arrangements.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport (1) if, in his White Paper on the Channel fixed link, he will indicate the expected ratio of cost to freight forwarders, arising through rail facilities, of the rail cost per mile of all costs arising from the link, to the cost per mile by rail in the United Kingdom;(2) if, in his White Paper on the Channel fixed link, he will examine the merits and demerits of a common tariff for through rail freight from the continental ports to any one of six or more centres in Scotland, the north-west, the north-east, south Wales, the midlands and the south-west, respectively.

    Disabled People (Taxi-Card Scheme)

    16.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what recent representations he has had about the future of the taxi-card scheme for disabled people.

    My right hon. Friend has received letters from hon. Members, interested organisations, and members of the public urging that the scheme be continued. I understand that an agreement has now been reached on the funding for 1986–87 through the London Co-ordinating Committee of Boroughs.

    Rear Seat Belts

    17.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what response he has had to his consultation paper on the compulsory fitting of rear seat belts; and what conclusions he has reached.

    The response was generally favourable and my right hon. Friend has made the regulations. They will make rear seat belts or child restraints a legal requirement for all new cars manufactured from 1 October 1986.

    Coaches (Speed Governors)

    18.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what action he intends to take to ensure that foreign coaches travelling in the United Kingdom are fitted with speed governors of the sort intended to be mandatory for British coaches; and if he will make a statement.

    We agree that it is essential that foreign coaches observe our speed limits. But coaches and other vehicles in international traffic are not subject to the detailed construction standards of the countries they visit provided they meet the more basic standards set out in the international traffic conventions. We shall look into what reciprocal arrangements for speed governors could be agreed with other European countries.

    New Roads

    20.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport how many miles of new motorway and trunk roads have been built since 1979.

    Since April 1979, 218 miles of new motorway and 320 miles of new and improved trunk road have been constructed. During this period also 13 miles of existing motorway have been widened with additional lanes.

    British Rail Inter-City Services

    21.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what is the average speed of British Rail intercity services; and what was the figure in 1979.

    Air Transport (Competition)

    22.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what recent discussions he has had with foreign Governments to open more opportunities for international competition in air transport.

    We have agreed more competitive arrangements for air services with five European Governments in the last 18 months. Discussions are under way with the Scandinavians, Finns and Spanish and will shortly start with the Republic of Ireland. We continue to press hard for a liberal EC air transport policy, most recently at an informal Council of Transport Ministers on 9 January.

    Bourne End And Hemel Hempstead Bypass

    23.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will make a statement on the reasons for delay in publishing the side road orders for the A41 Bourne End and Hemel Hempstead bypass.

    The detailed provisions of the orders cannot be finalised until after the review of traffic predictions for the scheme. This is taking longer than we had hoped, but should be completed early this year.

    M1 (Lighting)

    24.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport when he expects to be able to announce the full lighting of the M1 motorway in Leicestershire; and if he will estimate the total cost.

    I have no proposals to provide additional motorway lighting on the M1 in Leicestershire. estimate the total cost of completing lighting through Leicestershire to be about £3·25 million.

    National Freight Company

    25.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if his Department has monitored the value of shares in the National Freight Company since that company was sold to its managers and employees in 1982.

    The National Freight Company is an unquoted public limited company with share value established by independent valuers, I understand that since its sale to the management and employees, the value of shareholdings has increased substantially, reflecting improved performance and prospects.

    Disabled People (London Boroughs)

    26.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he is satisfied with progess being made by the London boroughs to safeguard concessionary fare schemes and transport for people with disabilities.

    Dial-A-Ride Service (London)

    27.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what representations he has received about the future funding by Government for the dial-a-ride service covering the Greater London council area since 11 November.

    I have received a letter from the GLC-funded Federation of London Dial-a-Rides welcoming the Government's decision to take powers for LRT to fund Dial-a-Ride as an important advance in securing transport for people with disabilities.

    Airports (Privatisation)

    28.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether airlines will be allowed to purchase shares in airports under proposed legislation to privatise airports in the United Kingdom.

    I am not contemplating any prohibition on airlines purchasing shares in airports in the legislation I will be introducing shortly.

    A1-M1 Link

    29.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport when he now expects to receive the report of the inspector who conducted the inquiry into the Al-M1 link road.

    I understand that the inspector does not expect to complete his report on these long and complex inquiries before June or July of this year.

    Driving Test (Dyslexia)

    30.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport how many dyslexic people have passed the standard driving test in the past year.

    Cross-Channel Traffic

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will tabulate the approximate number of railway wagons, heavy commercial vehicles, containers, road passenger coaches, light motor vehicles and passengers, respectively, arriving at, or departing for, the continent from or to each port on the east and south coasts of the United Kingdom between Hull and Plymouth in the current year.

    The information given is based on commercial data supplied to the Department by port authorities and operators. Entries in the table marked with an asterisk denote cases where information is omitted to protect confidentiality.

    1984 Port Traffic with Mainland Europe (thousands)

    Port

    Railway Wagons

    Roads Goods

    Containers

    Coaches

    Cars etc.

    Passengers

    Hull45107*85456
    Goole*
    Grimsby/Immingham12062
    Boston*
    Kings Lynn*
    Great Yarmouth69
    Lowestoft*
    Felixstowe159154*105
    Ipswich61100683
    Harwich2113193*2131·924
    London31723,0202
    Medway58**93
    Ramsgate62*83
    Folkestone46*79
    Dover43672131211,27813,861
    Newhaven48*7213·861
    Shoreham**
    Portsmouth†63**—282
    Southampton36**54
    Poole63
    Portland/Weymouth*
    Plymouth**
    Total64*757156*23,065
    * Denote cases where information is omitted to protect confidentiality.
    †Includes Channel Islands traffic.

    Blackwall Tunnel

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will schedule the principal delays, over half an hour, to traffic flows through the Blackwall tunnel in 1985 and give the dates, direction, length of delay and cause in each case.

    I do not collect this information. The Blackwall tunnel is a GLC responsibility.

    Fishing Vessels (Safety)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what action he proposes to take regarding the recommendations contained in the report of the loss of MFV Mhari L in relation to the Coastguard to be alerted rapidly when contact is lost with fishing vessels, fishing vessels being fitted with hydrostatic life rafts and the action recommended when fishing gear fouls underwater cables.

    Lighthouses

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport (1) what is the annual cost to the taxpayer of the administration of lighthouses under the control of the Northern Lighthouse Board; how much of this relates to lighthouses in the Isle of Man; and what contribution is made by the Isle of Man Government towards the cost;(2) how much was spent on the improvement carried out on the lighthouse keepers' houses on Davaar island; what has been recovered of this cost by subsequent sale or letting of the houses; and what charges have been made on public funds to cover the costs involved.

    Manchester International Airport

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport, pursuant to his reply to the right hon. Member for Manchester, Wythenshawe of 19 December, Official Report, column 297, if he will itemise the representations he has received about the future ownership and control of Manchester international airport, indicating in each case the source of the representation and whether it expressed a view for or against the proposals of Manchester city council for an airport company.

    It is not the practice to publish the source or nature of individual representations from the public. But apart from correspondence with the town clerk of Manchester city council written representations have been received from a total of 15 parties—hon. Members, local councillors, members of the public and institutions. All save two expressed outright opposition to the city council's proposals.

    Talgarth Road Traffic Scheme

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he intends to abandon the present Talgarth road traffic scheme after abolition of the Greater London council on 31 March.

    As and when this stretch of road becomes my responsibility, I shall keep under review how it is operating as with all other parts of the trunk road network.

    Blackwall And Rotherhithe Tunnels

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what progress has been made with the London boroughs of Newham, Greenwich, Tower Hamlets and Southwark on the maintenance of the Blackwall and Rotherhithe tunnels and the foot tunnels.

    We are discussing maintenance arrangements for the Blackwall tunnel which will become my Department's responsibility. I understand that the boroughs are currently considering how best to discharge their future responsibility for maintaining the others.

    Road Accidents (Statistics)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport how many road accidents involving a motor car and resulting in (a) death or (b) serious injury to (i) motor car drivers, (ii) motor car front seat passengers, (iii) motor car rear seat passengers, (iv) motor cyclists, (v) pedal cyclists and (vi) pedestrians there have been in each of the past five years.

    The information is as follows:

    Accidents, involving a motor car, resulting in death and serious injuries
    Type of road user injured198219831984
    Car drivers17,95414,26115,158
    Car front seat passengers9,0236,4276,798
    Car rear seat passengers3,5943,5433,913
    Motor cyclists12,96512,04012,076
    Pedal cyclists3,8294,3404,495
    Pedestrians13,81114,08514,890
    Data for further years and a breakdown between deaths and serious injuries could be supplied only at disproportionate cost. Since more than one person can be injured in a single accident, some accidents are represented in more than one row of the table.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport how many motor car drivers involved in car accidents resulting in death or serious injury have been over the legal alcohol limit in each of the past five years; and what proportion of the total number of drivers involved in such road accidents this has represented in each year.

    The information is as follows:

    Car drivers involved in fatal or serious accidents: Great Britain
    (a) Positively breath tested or failed/ refused to provide breath specimen(b) Expressed as a percentage of all car drivers involved in fatal or serious accidents
    19803,8065·5
    19813,5475·1
    19823,8065·3
    19833,2945·1
    19843,3715·0

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what assessment his Department has made of the reduction in the numbers of motorists and passengers killed and seriously injured attributable to the introduction of automatic and evidential breath-testing devices in 1983.

    My Department has not yet concluded an evaluation of the full effects of the introduction of evidential breath testing on 6 May 1983. Other factors will have affected the number of casualties in that year and subsequently, notably compulsory seat belt wearing, the learner motor cyclist regulations and the number of police patrols.

    Scotland

    Islands(Development Support)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he has now considered the recent proposals of the European Commission for support for agriculture and rural development in some Scottish islands; and if he will make a statement.

    The European Commission's proposals for a programme of special measures for the Scottish islands and two other proposals were published on 14 December 1985. They require very careful examination and evaluation both in terms of the probable levels of benefit to the areas concerned and the likely cost. These assessments are under way. Consideration of these proposals by the Council of Ministers has yet to commence.

    Housing

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what were the housing waiting lists for Glasgow and Edinburgh at the latest available date.

    The information available centrally is neither complete nor compiled on a uniform basis. I must therefore refer the hon. Member directly to the local authorities in which he is interested.

    Labour Statistics

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the level of unemployment in the construction industry in (a) the Glasgow travel-to-work area and (b) the Strathclyde region at the latest available date.

    Private Contractors (Approved List)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if it is his policy to accept a declaration of global interests as meeting the requirements of the National Health Service (Health Boards: Membership, Procedure and Payment of Subscriptions) (Scotland) Regulations 1975 for health board chairmen and health board members when discussing and approving companies for inclusion on the approved list of contractors to tender for hospital services.

    The 1975 regulations require chairmen and members of health boards to declare their interest in individual contracts being considered by the boards and to take no part in the discussions on the matter. This requirement is reflected in health boards' standing orders.

    asked the Secretary of Slate for Scotland if he is satisfied that the chairman of Tayside health board met the requirements of the National Health Service (Health Boards: Membership, Procedure and Payment of Subscriptions) (Scotland) Regulations 1975 when Tayside health board discussed and agreed the list of approved contractors for domestic services.

    Civil Defence

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland, pursuant to his answer of 19 December 1985, Official Report, column 292, what grants were made under the Civil Defence (Grant) Regulations in each of the years 1978–79 to 1984–85 inclusive to each individual (a) joint police committee, (b) joint fire board, (c) regional council and (d) district council.

    I shall write to the hon. Member as soon as possible with the required information, and a copy of my letter will be placed in the Library of the House.

    Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

    Agriculture And Horticulture (Grants)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and food if he will publish a table showing for

    YearAgriculture and Horticulture Co operative Scheme EC Regulation1035/72 Launching Aids to Producer Groups in Fruit and Vegetable SectorsGrants to Forage Groups in LFA's EC Directive 75/268 Administrative Expenses
    £'000£ 000£000£000
    1967–68*36728
    1968–69*45794
    1969–70*810124
    1970–71*935155
    1971–72*783193
    1972–73*747214
    1973–74*890229
    1974–7590819394
    1975–761,09837399
    1976–777645226430
    1977–788136450464
    1978–791,0521244524
    1979–801,1521649640
    1980–811,43119491,102
    1981–822,08236201,226
    1982–832,3571982541,276
    1983–843,789601421,344
    1984–854,526884391,303
    1985–86 (estimated)4,4811,2002181,377
    Source: Appropriation Accounts FFB Annual Report.
    * Great Britain only.

    Surplus Butter

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (1) what is the percentage change in the amount of surplus butter that has been held by intervention boards thin the EEC for the years 1983, 1984 and 1985, respectively; and what the estimated percentage change is for 1986;(2) how much surplus butter was held by intervention boards within the EEC in 1983 and 1984, respectively;(3) what the estimate is for the amount of surplus butter that will be held by intervention boards within the EEC for 1986.

    Stocks of butter held in intervention stores in the European Community vary during the course of the year. The stock figures given below are average end-of-month quantities. For 1985, the figure is the average end-of-month stock level up to the latest month (October) for which figures are available. There is no Community estimate for likely stock levels in 1986.

    each year since 1967–68, together with as many future years for which estimates currently exist, the amount of money expended or to be expended by the Central Council for Agricultural and Horticultural Co-operation, and since 1983–84, the co-operative development division of Food From Britain on (a) grants to co-operatives and (b) administrative expenses.

    The co-operative development division of Food From Britain, formerly the Central Council for Agricultural and Horticultural Co-operation, makes recommendations to Agriculture Ministers on a number of grant schemes. Government expenditure (in cash terms) on schemes and on the co-operative division's administrative expenses have been as follows:

    Average end of month stock of intervention butter held in EC storesPercentage change over previous year per cent.
    1983634,604+182
    19841,062,307+67
    19851,047,818-1

    Fenvalerate

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether fenvalerate as sold and distributed by H.L. Chemicals, has been approved under the pesticides safety precaution scheme.

    Fenvalerate is a synthetic pyrethroid. One formulation containing fenvalerate, known as sumicidin, has provisional commercial clearance under the pesticides safety precautions scheme for a number of uses.

    I have no evidence that the firm in question is selling or distributing fenvalerate formulations other than that listed above. If such evidence exists, it should be passed to the Health and Safety Executive so that they can ensure the relevant provisions of the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 are being observed.

    The new regulations which we propose to make under the Food and Environment Protection Act 1985, will make it an offence to sell, supply, store, use or advertise an unapproved pesticide.

    Live Animals (Exports)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he is satisfied that no live horses or ponies are being exported for slaughter.

    My Department has powers to control the exports of horses under legislation consolidated under the Animal Health Act 1981. Among other things, these controls require exporters to make declarations as to the purpose for which horses and ponies are being exported and impose a system of minimum values at levels which would make export for slaughter uneconomic.We have seen no evidence that would suggest that there is currently a trade in live equines for slaughter.

    Antibiotics (Swann Report)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he will list the recommendations made in the Swann report on the use of antibiotics which have not been acted upon.

    The report of the joint committee on the use of antibiotics in animal husbandry and veterinary medicine (the Swann committee) was published in November 1969. The committee made a number of recommendations, relating both to general principles and to matters of detail, which were designed to avoid hazards to human and animal health which might result from the administration of antibiotics to farm livestock.The Government's policy on the use of antibiotics in animal husbandry and veterinary medicine continues to be based on the Swann committee's principal recommendation that antibiotics available for administration to livestock should be classified as either "feed" or "therapeutic" and that only the former should be available without prescription for use in feeding stuffs. "Feed" antibiotics have little or no application as therapeutic agents in man or animals and will not impair the efficacy of prescribed therapeutic drugs through the development of resistant strains of organisms. The committee made a number of detailed recommendations relating to the control of feed antibiotics and to specific antibiotic substances consequent upon the principal recommendation; these recommendations too have been implemented with only very limited exceptions. Of the Swann Committee's remaining recommendations, which covered a wide variety of topics related to the use of antibiotics in farming, the majority have been implemented. In particular, the Ministry's central veterinary laboratories, together with the veterinary investigation centres, monitors the development of antibiotic resistance. An epidemiology department has been set up at the central veterinary laboratory since the committee reported. However, resource constraints have had a bearing on the extent to which the committee's recommendations on research and investigation have been followed up by universities and other organisations.The committee's recommendation that the advertisement and promotion of therapeutic antibiotics to laymen should be prohibited has no been acted upon.A joint sub-committee on antimicrobial substances was established in 1973 and reported jointly to the Committee on Safety of Medicines and the Veterinary Products Committee, the statutory committees of independent experts who advise the Health and Agriculture Ministers on matters relating to the safety, quality and efficacy of licensed medicinal products. However, the sub-committee was disbanded at the end of 1980 in the light of resource constraints. The Veterinary Products Committee continues to bear in mind the problem of resistance when considering applications for product licences for antibiotic medicines and feed additives. Licences are not granted if the Committee considers that there is a risk of resistant strains developing which might pose a hazard to human health.

    Food Additives And Colourings

    asked the Minister of Agricu1lture, Fisheries and Food what steps he is taking to ensure full publicity of the controls his Department operate to prevent harm to health from food additives and colourings; what research is being currently undertaken into the possible ill-effects of such substances; and if he will make a statement.

    The safety of food is protected by provisions in the Food Act 1984, the Food Act (Scotland) 1956 or the Food Act (Northern Ireland) 1958 and by regulations made under those Acts. No additive to food is specifically permitted by regulation until the results of thorough research have been carefully assessed by independent committees of experts and a proposal to permit an additive by law has been the subject of consultation with all interested parties which includes representatives of manufacturers, traders and consumers. I am conscious that these procedures, and particularly the work of the expert committees, may not be fully understood by members of the public and I am therefore considering what steps might be taken to ensure greater publicity for this work and the careful way in which it is done.These approvals of additives are of necessity based on the needs and safety of the general public at large. I am aware that a small number of consumers may react to some additives, as others react to some foods or food ingredients. My Department is currently funding research into such reactions and I hope that some results will be available next year. This is part of a wider programme of research into food additives carried out by my Department.

    Crayfish Plague Fungus

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what is his latest estimate of the spread of crayfish plague fungus in British rivers since 1981.

    Since 1981, outbreaks of crayfish plague have been confirmed in the following river systems:

  • Bristol Avon
  • River Lee (Hertfordshire)
  • River Wey (Hampshire and Surrey)
  • Hampshire Avon
  • Intervention Storage (Butter)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (1) what is the overall cost of storing the surplus butter currently held by intervention boards within the European Economic Community; and what the figure is for storing the surplus butter held within the United Kingdom;(2) what was the overall cost of storing the surplus butter held by intervention boards within the European Economic community for 1983 and 1984, respectively;(3) what is the estimate for the overall cost of storing the surplus butter held by intervention boards within the European Economic Community for 1986;(4) what is the percentage change in the overall cost of storing the surplus butter held by intervention boards within the European Economic Community for the years 1983, 1984 and 1985, respectively; and what is the estimated percentage change for 1986;(5) what is the overall cost of storing the surplus butter currently held by intervention boards within the European Economic Community; what was the overall cost for 1983 and 1984, respectively; what is the estimated cost for 1986; and what is the percentage change for each year from 1983 to 1986, respectively;(6) what is the overall cost of storing one tonne of surplus butter held by intervention boards within the European Economic Community for one year.

    [pursuant to his reply, 20 December 1985, c. 351]: The current cost to the Community of storing 1 tonne of butter in public intervention for one year is approximately 403 ecu (£230). There may be additional costs which fall to be met by the member state in which the butter is stored.Community expenditure on the technical and financing costs of public intervention storage of butter for the years 1983 to 1986, and the percentage changes between these years, are as follows:

    mecuPercentage change
    1983176
    1984368+109
    1985 (Budget and transfers)394+7
    1986 (Draft budget)299-24
    NOTE: These figures include the handling charges for butter bought and sold during the year.Details of expenditure by the intervention board for agricultural produce on public intervention storage of butter in the United Kingdom in 1985–86 are given in the Winter Supplementary Estimates (HC9 1985–86) for Class III Vote 1. The Community expenditure figure given above for 1984 includes 66 mecu (£38 million) for storage in the United Kingdom.

    Council Of Ministers

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what was the outcome of the Council of Fisheries Ministers' meeting in Brussels on 16 and 17 December; and if he will make a statement.

    [pursuant to the reply, 19 December 1985, c. 282]: The Council of Fisheries Ministers resumed discussion on 20 December to consider the further decisions necessary on total allowable catches and quotas for 1986 as a consequence of the accession of Spain and Portugal. I represented the United Kingdom.After lengthy discussions involving Spain, Portugal and France, mainly on the arrangements to apply in the waters of Spain and Portugal, the Council was able to reach agreement on the allocations to Spain and Portugal of stocks already subject to TAC, the introduction of TACs and quotas for the enlarged Community for pollack and Norway lobster in Western waters as well as for a number of other species in Spanish and Portuguese waters, and certain additional controls on vessels of other member states fishing in Spanish and Portuguese waters as well as on Portuguese vessels fishing for limited quantities of horse mackerel and blue whiting in the waters of the existing Member States. The quotas allocated to the United Kingdom for pollack and Norway lobster in ICES areas Vb, VI and VII for 1986 were very satisfactory and reflected existing patterns of fishing. I am glad to report that Ireland lifted its waiting reserve on the package of TACs and quotas agreed at the previous meeting on 16 and 17 December which will now enter into force on an interim basis to 25 January only, pending the debate in the House on 16 January.The Council accordingly completed the work done at the previous meeting and ensured that for the second year in succession the full range of TACs and quotas has been agreed before the end of the previous year and that the arrangements for Spanish and Portuguese accession in the fisheries sector have been completed on a basis which fully preserves the principles of the common fisheries policy as well as the opportunities of United Kingdom fishermen.

    Employment

    Youth Training Scheme

    asked the Paymaster General (1) what representations he has received about the need for a national agreement on inter-authority payments for youth training scheme trainees;(2) what representations he has received about the problems caused by the anomalies in the youth training scheme mode A extra district permit grants; and what steps he is taking to resolve them.

    A number of representations have been received about the question of inter-authority payments for young people on the youth training scheme and the related issue of extra district fees. My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Education and Science hopes to introduce a Bill later this Session providing, inter alia, for an amendment to the existing law on inter-authority recoupment in respect of non-advanced further education. I understand that he is discussing with the local authority associations whether youth training scheme provision should be included within the scope of the Bill; and that the associations are themselves giving consideration to providing national advice for local education authorities on this matter.

    asked the Paymaster General what representations he has received about the problems for youth training scheme trainees who are forced to travel to study certain specialist fields.

    I am not aware of any specific representations that have been made to Department of Employment Ministers on this matter. There is no evidence to suggest that the arrangements for the youth training scheme make it difficult for those trainees who have to attend colleges or work placements at a distance from their homes. The scheme aims to provide, wherever possible, suitable local opportunities for all eligible young people. I am satisfied that where these are not available the provision for the payment of travel and lodging costs is adequate.

    asked the Paymaster General what steps are being taken to ease the current problems of youth training scheme trainees studying outside their own regions.

    I am not aware of any significant problems affecting trainees who spend all or part of their

    Establishments on the wages inspectorate's register
    19701974197819791980198119821983
    Current Wages Councils
    Aerated waters10982626260615554
    Clothing manufacture1,3391,1741,174934778784718713
    Boot and shoe repairing349282240230228226204196
    Button manufacturing1011987799
    Coffin furniture & cerement making58877755
    Cotton waste reclamation53133333
    Flax & hemp4311
    Fur3934362927272827
    General waste materials reclamation467412366359353357321308
    Hairdressing undertakings3,8464,2083,5573,3973,4253,4883,2643,339
    Hat, cap & millinery291218121111119
    Lace finishing—-—-—-
    Laundry139114897975746362
    Linen & cotton handkerchiefs12108989118
    Made up textiles3644424443424140
    Ostrich & fancy feather22
    Perambulator and invalid carriage34533344
    Retail bespoke tailoring1801681229895955649
    Rope, twine & net3734302826232020
    Sack & bag2525231714141616
    Toy manufacturing2426393739434544
    Retail trades (non food)9,0829,1669,2759,1009,3789,6039,2629,246
    Retail food & allied trades14,66613,55312,72212,33912,33712,54211,64811,685
    Licensed non residential establishment6,4526,5416,5816,7056,7976,8987,0087,030
    Licensed residential establishment & licensed restaurant1,0551,4141,4821,6741,7501,8451,8821,898
    Unlicensed place of refreshment1,8891,8241,6511,5761,5641,6051,3601,367
    Wages Councils abolished since 1970
    Road haulage3,4443,2733,132
    Industrial staff canteens3,0123,033
    Hollow ware21
    Keg & drum1213
    Milk distribution399367
    Paper box5451
    Stamped or pressed metal wares1212
    Baking1,030
    Boot & floor polish3
    Brush & broom38
    Hair, bass & fibre3
    Total establishments47,81345,91440,67336,75137,02837,76736,03436,132

    asked the Paymaster General what were the number of times in the years 1970, 1974, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985 when members of the wages inspectorate had checked

    training period outside their own region. The provision for payment of travel and lodging costs in such cases is kept under regular review.

    Wages Inspectorate

    asked the Paymaster General what was, for the years 1970, 1974, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982 and 1983 in respect of Humberside (a) the total number of establishments on the wages inspectorate register and the total number of workers covered by the register; (b) the number of establishments covered by each wages council and (c) the number of workers covered by each wages council.

    The numbers of workers covered by wages councils are available only for Great Britain as a whole. Numbers of establishments covered by wages councils are not collected for areas smaller than wages inspectorate divisions. For the Yorkshire and Humberside division the figures requested are as follows:employees' pay giving the number of establishments checked, the number of establishments underpaying, the percentages of establishments underpaying, the establishments visited, the percentage of the register visited, the number of establishments visited underpaying, the percentage of establishments visited, the workers whose pay was checked by visits and other methods, the workers underpaid, the percentage underpaid of all workers checked, the percentage of underpaid workers checked by visits, the arrears paid, the arrears raised by workers, the arrears not pursued and the total arrears assessed for Humberside.

    Table 1 Establishments—Yorkshire and Humberside division of the wages inspectorate
    YearAll checks of pay (visited and not visited)Inspections by visit
    Establishments checkedPercentage of establishments checked per centEstablishments underpayingPercentage of establishments underpaying per cent.Establishments visitedPercentage of register visited per cent.Establishments visited underpayingPercentage of establishments visited underpaying per cent.
    1970*5,02210·591218·25,02210·591218·2
    1974*4,4579·71,05923·84,4579·71,05923·8
    19784,05610·01,21330·04,05610·01,21330·0
    19796,02616·41,15619·24,13211·21,15628·0
    19805,82015·71,11919·23,73210·11,11930·0
    19814,08310·887121·32,7377·287131·8
    19824,84413·496419·92,6807·896436·0
    19833,83510·694124·52,5847·294136·4
    19844,02511·11,02625·52,6527·31,02638·7
    1985n.a.n.a.n.a.n.a.n.a.n.a.n.a.n.a.
    Table 2 Workers
    YearAll checks of pay (visited and not visited)Inspections by visit
    Workers whose pay was checked by visit and other methodsWorkers underpaidPercentage underpaid of all workers checked per cent.Percentage underpaid of workers checked by visit per cent.Arrears paid£Arrears waived by workers£Arrears not pursued £Total arrears assessed£
    1970*22,6351,4916·66·617,582n.a.n.a.n.a.
    1974*;21,5642,0589·59·536,334n.a.n.a.36,334
    1978†21,3242,79513·113·1145,561n.a.n.a.36,334
    1979†28,6992,3968·310·9133,955n.a.27,705161,660
    1980†25,4202,5139·912·6140,211n.a.25,037165,248
    1981†18,3772,06011·215·2136,244n.a.52,784189,028
    198239,2342,0775·313·4145,06645,58915,155205,810
    198329,3062,2277·614·2161,75375,19813,685250,636
    198429,3702,2527·713·4159,06844,65727,516231,241
    1985n.a.n.a.n.a.n.a.n.a.n.a.n.a.n.a.
    Pay checks by methods not involving visits include figures for multiple firms whose head office is located in the division whose branches are located, and workers employed, in other areas. This needs to be taken into account when considering the level of compliance.
    * In 1970 and 1974, only inspections by visit were recorded.
    † Information about the amount of arrears waived by workers and arrears not pursued was collected only from 1982.

    Labour Statistics

    asked the Paymaster General what was the level of unemployment in (a) the Liverpool travel-to-work area and (b) the Merseyside special development area in the construction industry both numerically and as a percentage at the latest available date; and what were the figures in June 1979.

    The following information is in the Library. As a result of the change to a claimant-based unemployment count in 1982, detailed statistics of unemployment by industry are no longer collected. The table shows figures for May 1982, the last date on which such information was collected, and for May 1979 (statistics for June 1979 are not available). They relate to unemployed registrants whose last employment had been

    Statistics about compliance with wages orders are not collected for areas smaller than wages inspectorate divisions. For the Yorkshire and Humberside division, the information requested is given in the following tables. Final figures for 1985 are not yet available.in the construction industry in the Liverpool travel-to-work area and Merseyside special development area as defined at that time.

    May 1979May 1982
    Liverpool TTWA:
    Construction workers registered as unemployed 7,13712,782
    Percentage of total unemployed12·514·5
    Merseyside SDA:
    Construction workers registered as unemployed10,40519,112
    Percentage of total unemployed12·914·3

    asked the Paymaster General what was the level of unemployment in the Liverpool, Riverside constituency at the latest available date both in figures and as a percentage.

    The following information is in the Library. On 12 December 1985 the number of unemployed claimants in the Liverpool, Riverside parliamentary constituency was 12,078. Unemployment rates are not calculated for areas smaller than travel-to-work areas.

    asked the Paymaster General what was the level of unemployment in (a) the Liverpool travel-to-work area and (b) the Merseyside special development area at the latest date both in figures and as a percentage.

    On 12 December 1985, the number of unemployed claimants in the Liverpool travel-to-work area was 105,461, which corresponds to an unemployment rate of 20·9 per cent. Special development areas were abolished in November 1984. The travel-to-work areas in the Merseyside area with development status, Liverpool, Wirral and Chester, Wigan and St. Helens, and Widnes and Runcorn, had in total 191,589 unemployed claimants on 12 December 1985, an unemployment rate of 19·9 per cent.

    Social Services

    Disabled People (Equipment And Aids)

    the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) if he intends to visit the Bettman centre for assessment by disabled people of equipment and gadgets in Coventry;(2) if he will make it his policy that every local authority personal social services department should set up a centre where disabled people can assess gadgets, equipment and home aids with the assistance of occupational therapists;(3) what information he has about which local authorities provide centres for disabled people to try out gadgets, aids and equipment with the assistance of occupational therapists.

    I have no plans at present to visit the Bettman centre. I consider that both aid centres and assessment centres can be a valuable addition to services for disabled people and I hope that this new centre proves to be so.It is of course for individual local authorities to decide whether to set up such centres, taking account of local circumstances, and we do not have comprehensive information about their arrangements. However, we are aware that a number of authorities, either alone or in association with health authorities and/or voluntary bodies, have set up or contribute towards the cost of running aid centres where a selection of aids can be seen and tried out by disabled people under the supervision of trained staff. There are 14 such centres in the United Kingdom offering a fully comprehensive service; these are situated in Belfast, Birmingham, Caerphilly, Edinburgh, Leeds, Leicester, Liverpool, London, Manchester, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Sheffield, Southampton, Stockport and Swindon.A more limited service is offered in Blackpool, Dudley, Portsmouth and Wakefield. Other places where aids can be seen and tried out include some social services departments some of which have assessment centres similar to the Bettman centre; and hospital occupational therapy departments some of which have arrangements for use also by local authority staff.

    Aids

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) what is the period within which the incidence of acquired immune deficiency syndrome is currently doubling;(2) what is the projection, on the basis of the current state of medical advice and knowledge, of the likely number of acquired immune deficiency syndrome sufferers in each year up to 1990.

    The number of cases of acquired immune deficiency syndrome reported to the communicable disease surveillance centre has doubled in the last 10 months. However, the rate of increase of cases has varied considerably in the short term and should not be used as the sole basis for estimates of future spread.Recent predictions by the communicable disease surveillance centre of the numbers of new cases of AIDS in the United Kingdom for the years 1986–88, published in the

    Lancet of 7 September 1985 are as follows:

    Number

    1986336
    1987785
    19881,837

    These predictions do not take into account changing epidemiological features and should therefore be interpreted with caution.

    It is not possible to predict on any scientific Oasis beyond 1988 because the various factors affecting the incidence of the disease are likely to change. It is also hoped that the planned national public information campaign on AIDS will be starting to have effect on incidence by 1988.

    Competitive Tenders

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will list all guidance and other circular letters issued by his Department to health authorities and health authority chairmen on the subject of competitive tendering, indicating the purpose of each communication.

    The information requested is:

    Circular HC(83), 18 September 1983—asked health authorities to test the cost effectiveness of their domestic, catering and laundry services by putting them out to tender; and gave guidance on the procedures they should adopt.
    DA(83)40, 22 November 1983— attached specimen contracts for domestic and catering services; and told health authorities not to specify rates of pay or conditions of service for contractors staff.
    Addendum to DA(83)40, 9 March 1984—attached specimen contracts for laundry services.
    Second Addendum to DA(83)40, 12 October 1984— attached specimen contracts for linen and garment rental services.
    Letter from Minister for Health to Regional Chairmen, 9 October 1984—explained why it was wrong for health authorities to specify the terms and conditions of service which private contractors should provide for staff working on NHS contracts.
    Letters from Chairman of NHS Management Board to Regional Chairmen 3 January 1986 gave further advice to assist health authorities to obtain maximum benefits from the policy.

    Hospital Beds

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what has been (a) the total number of new hospital beds since May 1979 and (b) the total number of hospital beds closed, including those in hospitals which have been partially closed since May 1979 by region.

    I regret that there was an error in my reply of 16 December to the hon. Member. The figure for numbers of beds in hospitals or parts of hospitals approved for permanent closure between May 1979 and the end of June 1985 is 18,673.The number of new hospital beds provided since 1979 and the number of hospital beds approved for closure from May 1979 to the end of June 1985 by region are as follows:

    RegionClosuresCompleted
    Northern684916
    Yorkshire1,865763
    Trent2,3432,177
    East Anglian5031,264
    North West Thames1,851368
    North East Thames2,093579
    South East Thames660590
    South West Thames1,456554
    Wessex750739
    Oxford985265
    South Western690355
    West Midlands2,060711
    Mersey1,8772,427
    North Western814783
    SHAs42

    Social Security Reform

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) what level of benefit is assumed for 16 and 17-year-old unemployed claimants in the illustrative examples of the effects of the social security White Paper;(2) what account the technical annexe to the White Paper on social security analysis of gainers and losers takes of 16 and 17-year-olds who currently claim benefit in their own right.

    The illustrative figures assume that 16 to 17-year-old claimants will continue to be entitled to benefit in their own right, with a personal allowance of £18·20 per week for single people and £36·40 for couples, increased by any further premiums where eligible. The effects for this age group are included in the tables in the technical annex.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what plans the Government have for payment and assessment of family credit to strikers' families during the period of a strike under the White Paper on the reform of social security.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what he estimates will be the percentage take up of family credit.

    As explained in paragraph 2·10 of that document, the illustrations in the technical annex to the White Paper "Reform of Social Security" (Cmnd. 9691) are consistent with a take-up rate of 60 per cent.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what percentage of working families will have their marginal tax rates (a) increased and (b) reduced as a result of the implementation of proposals contained in the White Paper "Reform of Social Security", Cmnd. 9691.

    I regret that information about changes in marginal tax rates for individuals is not available.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will state, for the London borough of Newham, each category of claimant, the numbers involved and the amounts gained or lost each week in benefits arising from his recent White Paper proposals for the reform of Social Security.

    Hospital Waiting Lists (Bolton)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he has any plans to meet the Bolton health authority to discuss the waiting list on non-urgent cases waiting for operations for over one year in the area; and if he will make a statement.

    No. Management of the waiting list on non-urgent cases waiting for operations in Bolton is a matter for the Bolton health authority. My hon. Friend may wish, therefore, to address his concern to the chairman of that authority.

    Departmental Staff

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what estimate he has made of changes in the work load of his Department's local office staff since 1979.

    There has been a large number of changes in work loads and procedures both in supplementary benefit and contributory benefits since 1979. These have involved variously both reduced and increased activity and their net effect on the national complement has been a reduction of 4,229 posts.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many jobs have been lost in his Department's offices in the east Midlands since May 1979.

    I assume that the hon. Member is referring to those offices which were in the Department's east Midlands and East Anglia region before re-organisation in August 1982.In May 1979 the complement for these offices was 3,465. The present complement is 3,559·5.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will now increase the number of typists working in local offices of his Department by at least 2,000 extra posts; and if he will make a statement.

    No. Such a proposal forms part of a bid for over 15,000 additional staff made recently by the Departmental trade union side which is currently being considered.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will now increase the number of special case officers working in local offices of his Department by at least 200 posts; and if he will make a statement.

    No. Such a proposal forms part of a bid for over 15,000 additional staff made recently by the Departmental trade union side and which is currently being considered.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many local offices of his Department in England now use staff to handwrite rather than type letters to claimants.

    All local offices of the Department of Health and Social Security make use of both handwritten and typed letters to claimants. The Department prefers individual letters to be typed, but often a handwritten letter or the completion by hand of a pre-printed standard letter or form, is the quickest and simplest way to make an inquiry or to provide information.

    Personal Records

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what action is being taken to tighten up security of personal records kept by his Department on individuals and procedures for disclosing such information on the telephone; and if he will make a statement.

    A review of standing instructions about disclosure of information has been completed and revised instructions to staff on the protection of personal information held in Departmental records are being issued. These include additional guidance on the disclosure of information by telephone.

    Supplementary Benefit

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many persons claimed supplementary benefit in 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and to the nearest available date in 1985.

    The table shows the number of claims to supplementary benefit received nationally for each of the years 1979 to 1984, and the number of persons receiving supplementary benefit at 30 July 1985—the latest available—and at comparative dates since 1979. The figures of claims to benefit for 1985 show the number received up to 19 November only—the latest available figures.

    Claims received Benefit recipients*
    19795,169,9923,197,019
    19805,828,2633,379,728
    19815,456,5853,780,980
    19826,103,8624,376,895
    19835,889,7874,661,318
    19846,359,8814,968,956
    19855,482,1375,169,435
    * Source: 100 per cent. count of cases in action.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will name the local office which had received recent guidance from the chief adjudication officer referred to in the reply to the hon. Member for Birmingham, Perry Barr, on 28 October, Official Report, column 381.

    The guidance was given to one of the adjudication officers at Birmingham, Perry Barr integrated local office.

    Retirement Pension

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what was the percentage rise in retirement pension claims during (i) 1983–84 and (ii) 1984–85.

    Retirement pension claims (all categories) rose by 1 per cent. between 1982–83 and 1983–84 and by 22·9 per cent. between 1983–84 and 1984–85. Numbers of claims in each year were:

    Number
    1982–83649,679
    1983–84656,208
    1984–85806·190

    Benefits

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many persons received (a) unemployment benefit and (b) family income supplement in (i) 1979–80 and (ii) 1984–85.

    Information is not available for the whole of the periods requested, but is available for November of each year. The figures for November in the financial years requested are given in the table:

    November 1979November 1984
    Unemployment benefit467,000896,000
    Family Income Supplement77,000200,000

    North West Thames Regional Health Authority

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he expects to cease the process of redistribution of resources from the North West Thames region to other regions; and if he will make a statement.

    The process of resource distribution aims both to direct larger cash increases to those regions which have historically received less than their fair share of resources, and to reflect regions' changing population size and structure. The need for adjustments between regions to reflect population changes will continue after historic deprivation has been made good; the impact on the North-West Thames region will depend on changes in its population relative to the population of other regions.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he expects the review of the resource allocation working party formulae by the National Health Service management board to be completed; whether the board will be seeking evidence from the North West Thames regional health authority; and if he intends to publish the results of the review.

    My right hon. Friend has asked the NHS management board to report to him by the end of 1986. The conduct of the review will be discussed with regional health authority chairmen shortly, and I would certainly expect all regions to be invited to submit evidence. Decisions have not yet been taken about the form in which the results of the review will be published.

    Debendox

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what recent representations he has received from the Debendox Action Group; when he received them; arid what reply he has sent.

    None. My predecessor met Action Group representatives in December 1984 and agreed to ask a consultant adviser or other qualified adviser in DHSS to consider evidence about Debendox which became available after the Committee on Safety of Medicines last considered the product in March 1983.I am writing to the right hon. Member to let him have a progress report on this matter.

    Severe Disablement Allowance

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many claims for severe disablement allowance had been received by 19 November; how many of these claims have been decided; and if he will make a statement.

    As at 19 November some 53,000 claims for severe disablement allowance had been recorded as received, but we know that mistakes in recording have been made and the figure probably overstates the true one; 10,165 claims had been decided.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the average time between receipt of a claim for severe disablement allowance and the issue of an order book (a) when the award is made after initial application by an adjudication officer alone and (b) when the award is made after initial application on the basis of a decision of an adjudicating medical authority on percentage disablement and recorded cause of incapacity for work.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the age breakdown and recorded cause of incapacity for work of (a) people who have been awarded severe disablement allowance and (b) people refused severe disablement allowance; and if he will give this information using the same classification of awards and refusals as in his answer of 29 November 1985, Official Report, columns 657–58.

    A special analysis is being made to provide as much of the information as possible. I shall reply to the hon. Member when it is complete.

    Social Security Files (Wick)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many (a) supplementary benefit and (b) national insurance benefit claim files relating to residents in Orkney are currently held in Wick.

    At the Department's office in Wick on 20 December 1985—the latest figures available— there were 775 active supplementary benefit claim files relating to residents of Orkney and the associated islands. No national insurance benefit claims for the Orkneys are dealt with by Wick.

    Hip Operations (Waiting Lists)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what was the mean average interval between the date a patient was placed on the waiting list and the date of admission to a National Health Service hospital for a total hip replacement or other orthoplasty of the hip in England in the last year for which figures are available.

    The estimated mean interval between the date a patient was placed on the waiting list and the date of admission to a National Health Service hospital for toal hip replacement or other arthroplasty of hip in England in 1983, the latest year for which information is available centrally, was 35·5 weeks. The estimated median interval, which gives a more typical indication of the waiting experience of the "average" case, was 24 weeks.

    Cervical Screening

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether his talks with health authority chairmen have covered delays in screening cervical smears in pathology laboratories.

    Other more suitable mechanisms exist for setting service priorities and monitoring their achievement. As part of the normal process for setting service priorities health authorities will be asked to give priority to improving their cervical cancer screening programmes, including ensuring that laboratories can meet demand and avoid backlogs. Arrangements for monitoring the achievement of service priorities are an integral part of the NHS planning and accountability process. Whenever it proves necessary, this issue will be raised at annual Ministerial reviews of particular regional health authorities.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what details are available to his Department about health authorities or family practitioner committees which have issued instructions to doctors in clinics or family doctors, or both, to suspend, delay or reduce the taking of cervical smears because of a backlog in pathology laboratories.

    The management of local cervical cancer screening programmes is the responsibility of district health authorities, who are best placed to judge the most effective response to local problems such as laboratory backlogs. They are not required to report their detailed operational decisions. However through the normal arrangements for setting service priorities all health authorities will be required to give priority to improving their programmes including ensuring that laboratories can meet demand and avoid backlogs.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will estimate how many women will not be called for cervical cancer screening, under current arrangements, before 1993.

    All women identifiable from family practitioner committee records as being at risk from cervical cancer should receive an invitation to be screened under the computerised call and recall arrangements which health authorities will be required to implement no later than March 1988.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is his policy on the maximum interval between successive cervical cancer smears for women under 35 years; and if he will make a statement.

    The recommended interval between routine cervical smears for all women who are or have been sexually active is five years. This is based on the advice of the independent expert Committee on Gynaecological Cytology which reviews regularly the available evidence on the screening interval.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he proposes to collect, collate and publish information on delays by health authorities in dealing with cervical smears; and if he will make a statement.

    No. Delays in particular laboratories are primarily a matter for local management. However through the normal arrangements for setting service priorities, health authorities will be asked to ensure that laboratories can meet demand and avoid backlogs. Arrangements for monitoring the achievement of service priorities is an integral part of the NHS planning and accountability process.

    Prescription Charges

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he intends to publish his review of the number of medical conditions which lead to exemption from prescription charges.

    I expect to announce the outcome of the review soon.

    19841985*Financial years†
    Jan-MarApr-JuneJul-SepOct-DecJan-MarApr-June1983–841934–85
    Prescriptions dispensed(millions)87·6085·50818088·1090·8081·00337·00345·40
    Prescriptions exempt from charges (percentage)‡78·5079·1079·4079·9079·7081·4078·0079·30
    Costs
    (i) Payments by patients(excluding pre-payment certificates (£ million)26·0027·9026·5027·5027·9029·5099·80109·10
    (ii) Payments from public funds (£ million)344·50349·20350·40380·90385·50363·601,331·801,441·10
    (iii) Total costs (£ million)374·40379·50379·40411·20418·10395·801,442·501,562·50
    (iv) Average gross cost per prescription (£)4·274·444·644·674·604·894·284·52
    Pre-payment certificates
    Number
    4 Monthly (thousands)65·2055·50534058·6065·1047·10225·00232·50
    12 Monthly (thousands)1568079·1083·8094·60174·0071·60427·10431·60
    Revenue
    (£ million)3·902·402·502·804·802·7010·9012·40
    * Figures are not yet available for the third quarter of 1985.
    †To allow for the time lag in payments, the statistical data has been adjusted to make it compatible with the annual financial information.
    ‡Derived from prescriptions dispensed by pharmacists.

    Cancer Treatment Facilities (Thames Areas)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when considering the proposals of the North-East Thames health authority on the creation of specialist cancer provision in its area, what attention he pays to the location of cancer provision facilities in other Thames health authority areas.

    The development of cancer treatment services in North-East Thames is a matter for the regional and district health authorities. Any proposals to change the present disposition of services would be referred to Ministers only if they were opposed by the relevant community health council. In reaching a decision Ministers would, like the regional health authority itself, take account of all relevant points including, where appropriate, the location and capacity of facilities in other Thames regions.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services for each quarter of the calendar year 1984, the first three quarters of 1985 and for the financial years 1983–84 and 1984–85, for England, what were (a) the number of prescriptions dispensed, (b) the percentage of prescriptions exempt from charges, (c) the costs of prescriptions: (i) the payments by patients (excluding prepayment certificates), (ii) the payments from public funds, (iii) the total costs and (iv) the average gross costs per prescription, (d) the number and type of pre-payment certificates and (e) the revenue from sale of pre-payment certificates.

    [pursuant to his reply, 12 December 1985, c. 766]: The information requested, in respect of the family practitioner services in England, is set out in the table:

    Smoking

    Brown asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will list in the Official Report the names of those organisations which have made representations to his Department requesting (a) further restrictions on smoking on National Health Service premises, (b) further restrictions on smoking in public places and (c) banning smoking altogether; what was his reply in each case; and if he will make a statement.

    In formulating policy on smoking, the Government take note of all representations made, though I am not aware of any to ban smoking completely. However a number of representations have been made over past years about smoking on National Health Service premises and in public places by a variety of organisations and it would not be practicable to give details of names and our response to each.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he has any plans to revise his Department's circular HC(85)22 relating to restrictions on smoking on National Health Service premises; and if he will make a statement.

    There are no plans to revise the circular issued to health authorities last May promoting nonsmoking on National Health Service premises.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he has any plans to take steps to introduce a policy of recruiting only non-smokers in the National Health Service.

    Housing Benefit

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he intends to lay draft regulations to amend the Housing Benefit Regulations 1985 to give a similar effect to his policy towards students' income under deeds of covenant in relation to standard housing benefit as in relation to supplementary benefit; and if he will make a statement.

    Name of bodyNumber of membersNumber of additional co-opted members
    TotalWomenTotalWomen
    Whitley Councils for the Health Services (Great Britain)51531
    Nursing and Midwifery Staff Negotiating Council6200
    Joint Negotiating Committee for Professions Allied to Medicines5110

    Hospital Closures

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many hospitals have been closed, or partly closed, due to funding restrictions in the last two months; where they are; and how much money has been saved as a result.

    Health authorities are not required to report such information to the Department, so I regret that I am unable to answer the question posed by the hon. Member, who is no doubt aware that we are spending more on health services than ever before.

    Local Offices (Heating)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services on how many occasions his Department's offices have had to close owing to the failure of their heating systems; and what steps are taken in these circumstances regarding provision of services, particularly in relation to holiday periods.

    Information on the breakdown of office heating systems is not collected as a matter of routine. I am, however, aware that following the Christmas holiday period there were heating failures in a number of our local offices. In some cases it was necessary, because of the extreme cold, for management to close the office until urgent repairs to the heating system could be completed. In most cases the office was closed for a day or less and in no case did it take more than two days for the repairs to be completed.

    Yes. We are proposing to amend the Housing Benefits Regulations to ensure that the treatment of convenanted payments for housing benefit purposes is consistent with the intended supplementary benefit approach. Draft regulations have now been referred to the Social Security Advisory Committee and the local authority associations for their views.

    Departmental Appointments

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will list those bodies to which his Department makes appointments, the number of appointees and the number of these who are women.

    I refer the hon. Member to pages 35–39 and 78 of the Cabinet Office (MPO) booklet "Public Bodies 1985" (ISBN 011 430008 9), published on 17 December last year, copies of which are in the Library. I also appoint members to the management sides of the bodies listed in the table which also gives the other information requested. The information given relates to the two year period ending on 31 December 1985.We are, of course, concerned that such breakdowns occur and officials are in touch with the Property Services Agency on this issue.When a breakdown occurs the manager of the office takes whatever steps are practicable to keep the public informed and to advise local social services departments and other agencies. In cases of urgency claimants could contact a neighbouring office or their local social services department.

    Heart Transplants

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the long-term financial allocation for heart transplants; what assessment he has made of growth in numbers of and demands for this type of operation; and if he will make a statement.

    £1,600,000 has been allocated to the heart transplant programmes at Papworth and Harefield hospitals in 1985–86. The report of an evaluation of the costs and benefits of heart transplantation, commissioned by the Department and undertaken by Mr. Martin Buxton and Professor Roy Acheson, was published in April 1985 and a copy placed in the Library; I refer my hon. Friend to chapter 11 of this report, which considers the difficulty inherent in estimating potential demand for the operation. Following the publication of the report, my right hon. Friend asked the supra regional services advisory group to make recommendations on how the development of heart transplantation within the National Health Service might best be taken forward; he has now received these recommendations and will announce his decisions very soon.

    General Practitioners (Bristol Meeting)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what was the cost, purpose and outcome of a meeting held with seven general practitioners at a hotel in Bristol in the first week of December 1985 organised by Arthur Irving Associates on behalf of the Central Office of Information.

    The meeting which cost, I understand, about £700 was part of a programme of quantitative and qualitative research to evaluate the Government's campaign of education and information on drug misuse. This programme included interviews with young people, parents and professionals — of whom general practitioners are a key group. I am told that the Bristol meeting provided some useful insights for the evaluation.

    Nhs Premises (Telephones)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what progress has been made in ensuring that all telephones in National Health Service premises can be used by the hard of hearing reliant on hearing aids; and if he will make a statement.

    The extent to which inductive couplers have been fitted to telephones on National Health Service premises is not known centrally. Decisions to install such equipment are for individual health authorities. Information as to its availability and benefits was recently given to works officers of regional health authorities.

    Health Services Board

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) whether he will compile a register of the interests of members of the Health Services Board;(2) whether the recommendations of the Salmon committee on standards of conduct in public life apply to the Health Services Board.

    [pursuant to his reply, 19 December 1985, c. 319]: Those members of the Board who are civil servants are subject to the normal civil service rules of conduct which have had regard to the recommendations of the Salmon committee.Other members are either subject to the general guidance on rules of conduct issued to health authorities in health memorandum (62)21 where appropriate or they are subject to agreed procedures regarding declaration of interest.

    Public Life (Standards Of Conduct)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what advice he has issued to regional health authorities and district health authorities on compliance with the recommendations of the Salmon committee on standards of conduct in public life with reference to interests of members, officers employees and consultants of authorities and representations received from others, including Members of Parliament.

    [pursuant to his reply, 19 December 1985 c. 319]: The standing orders of health authorities already require members and employees to declare any interest they may have in commercial concerns with whom the authority is, or is likely to, enter into a contractual relationship. I am currently considering the need for revised guidance on the standards of conduct in the National Health Service taking account of the recommendations in the Salmon committee report.

    Benefit Statistics

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will publish a table showing for 1971, 1981 and the latest date for which estimates are available the number of households in the United Kingdom, with the figures broken down to distinguish between no family, one family and two or more family households, as in "Social Trends" no. 15 table 2·5 for Great Britain, but also showing whether the married couples and lone parents have one, two, three or more dependent children, with the latter defined as children aged under 16 years or 16 to 18 years in full-time education.

    [pursuant to his reply, 26 Novernber 1985 c. 542–44]: Further statistics on the numbers of households are now available, showing the proportionate breakdown of households by type for the United Kingdom as a whole in 1983. These are comparable to the figures for Great Britain in the last column of my reply on 26 November and take account of the results of the Continuous Household Survey in Northern Ireland.The figures are as follows:

    1983
    Households One family households United Kingdom Percentage
    Married couple only26
    Married couple with one dependent child11
    Married couple with two dependent children13
    Married couple with three or more dependent children 6
    Married couple with non-dependent children only 8
    Lone parent with one dependent child2
    Lone parent with two dependent children2
    Lone parent with three or more dependent children 1
    Lone parent with non-dependent children only4
    Two or more family households1
    No family households26
    Total households100

    Supplementary Benefits

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services in each year since its introduction, what has been the gross and net saving from the removal from (a) 16 and 17-year olds, (b) 18 to 20-year olds supplementary benefit non-householders' rent addition; and what would be the cost of reversing these changes in a full year at 1985–86 benefit rates.

    [pursuant to his reply, 2 December 1985, c. 131]: Information about the actual savings made as a result of the removal of the supplementary benefit non-householders rent addition for 16–20 year olds is not available.

    The estimated gross and net costs of reversing the changes at 1985–86 benefit rates are as follows:

    Gross Cost to Supplementary Benefit

    *Gross saving on Housing Benefit

    Net cost to Supplementary Benefit and Housing Benefit

    £million

    £ million

    £million

    (a) Restoring the non-householders rent contributions for 16 and 17 years olds

    301020

    (b) Restoring the non-householders rent contribution for 18 to 20 year olds

    601545
    * ie overall reduction in housing benefit for householders which would also follow from such a change. The loss to the householder would normally precisely match the non-householder gain.

    National Health Service (Revenue And Expenditure)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will give for each health district the revenue and capital expenditure in each year since 1974, expressing the figures (a) in money terms (b) adjusted by the gross domestic product deflator and (c) adjusted by the movement of National Health Service pay and prices.

    [pursuant to his reply, 2 December 1985, c. 142]: Tables showing revenue and capital expenditure by regional health authorities in each year from 1974–75 to 1984–85 have been placed in the Library. The cash figures have been adjusted by the gross domestic product deflator and by movements in NHS pay and prices for revenue and in construction prices for capital to a common 1983–84 base. Details of district health authority expenditure which are held centrally only for the years following the 1982 re-organisation have also been placed in the Library. Capital expenditure on major schemes is charged to regional health authority accounts and to that extent comparisons cannot usefully be drawn between district health authority expenditure figures. For both revenue and capital, it is inappropriate to revalue district health authority expenditure by reference to centrally assessed movements in pay and prices, because the composition of that expenditure can differ substantially from the national average. Although revenue and capital expenditure by regional health authorities has been revalued by centrally assessed movements in pay and prices, the composition of that expenditure can also differ from the national average.

    1985–86
    RHARevenueCapital
    RHARevenue AllocationService Increment Capital Allocation*RAWP allocation as per cent. of weighted population shareCentral Teaching support
    £000s£000s£000s£000s
    Northern617,30113,06839,03788·7239
    Yorkshire691,84512,45554,338106·288
    Trent844,83731,23265,41890·52,066
    East Anglian352,9235,73823,43187·248
    North West Thames712,95527,53442,18087·22,588
    North East Thames903,41148,26148,61788·5
    South East Thames789,58431,18249,62290·8
    South West Thames602,77012,96639,02386·92,847
    Wessex503,8539,18660,945134-22,034
    Oxford396,7657,38825,11487·2

    Competitive Tendering

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what procedures are followed by district health authorities, regional health authorities and his department in the event of a contractor failing to achieve the standards laid down in a privatised cleaning, laundry or catering contract and if he will make a statement.

    [pursuant to his reply, 18 December 1985, c. 236]: It is the responsibility of district health authorities to decide what steps need to be taken to bring the performance of contractors up to the required standards. They are expected to refer any proposals to cancel contracts to their regional health authority and the Department so that consideration can be given to whether all reasonable efforts have been made to obtain a satisfactory service.

    Teaching Hospitals

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services, if he will give for each region and for England in 1985–86 (a) the revenue allocations, (b) the growth addition in revenue over 1984–85 after allowing for movements in National Health Service pay and prices, (c) the service increment for teaching, (d) the capital allocation, (e) the percentage share of their weighted population entitlement and (f) the central capital contribution to major teaching hospital schemes.

    [pursuant to his reply, 19 December 1985, c. 312]: The information requested is set out in the table, with the exception of (b); it will not be possible to provide this until after the end of the financial year.

    Revenue

    Capital

    Revenue Allocation

    Service Increment

    Capital Allocation*

    RAWP allocation as per cent. of weighted population share

    Central Teaching support

    £000s

    £000s

    £000s

    £000s

    South-Western607,42610,16050,099112·7184
    West-Midlands962,04413,92685,375115·9
    Mersey503,79514,47229,75187·51,725
    North-Western849,81122,26570,433119·61,560
    Total9,339,320259,833683,38313,379
    * Includes Joint Finance.

    Nhs Employees

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what was the ratio of claimants to staff in local offices of his Department (a) nationally, (b) in each social security region and (c) in each standard economic planning region for each year from 1979 to the latest available date.

    [pursuant to his reply, 19 December 1985, c. 322]: Information is not available in the precise form requested. The following analysis refers to supplementary benefit claimants only.No records were kept before 1983 on the number of staff employed on supplementary benefit duties.From 1983 the ratio of staff to claimants in local offices is as follows:

    1 August 1983 Ratio1 August 1984 Ratio1 August 1985 Ratio
    (a) Nationally1:1291:1321:133
    (b) Regions
    North Eastern1:1331:1321:135
    London North1:1291:1341:136
    London South1:1221:1231:123
    Wales and South
    Western1:1311;1361:138
    Midlands1:1451:1451:147
    North Western1:1351:1441;147
    Scotland1:1081:1041:103
    No records are kept for claimants or staff in standard economic planning regions.

    Health Statistics (Amber Valley)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what has been the change in the numbers of doctors, nurses and midwives in (a) Amber Valley and (b) Derbyshire between 1979 and 1985.

    [pursuant to his reply, 19 December 1985, c. 322–23]: I regret that there is an error in my reply to the hon. Member.Note 3 to the table should read:(3) In 1980 the working week for nursing and midwifery staff was reduced from 40 hours to 37½. Part of the increase in nursing and midwifery staff is directly attributable to this change.

    National Finance

    Industry (Costs)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will give a comparison of the total cost to industry of (a) a 1 per cent. increase in interest rates, (b) a 1 per cent. increase in labour costs, (c) the rise in cost of imported materials consequent upon a 1 per cent. decline in the pound sterling dollar exchange rate and (d) the rise in cost of imported materials consequent upon a 1 per cent. fall in the trade weighted average value of the pound sterling.

    The cost to industry of a 1 per cent. increase in labour costs is approximately £1 billion in a year. This is roughly three times as large as the cost to industry of either of the two exchange rate changes (for given dollar prices of oil and other commodities) and four times as large as the cost of a one percentage point increase in interest rates.

    Johnson Matthey Bankers

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how many representations he has received about the Johnson Matthey Bank; and if he will make a statement.

    United States (Taxation)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what assessment he has made of the implications for the operation of the United Kingdom/ United States double taxation convention in terms of the operation of the exemption from federal excise tax and for United Kingdom insurance companies operating in the United States of America of the tax reform legislation passed by the United States House of Representatives; and if he will make a statement.

    The United States tax reform bill, if passed in its present form, would remove part of the exemption presently enjoyed by British insurance companies under the United Kingdom/United States double taxation convention. We have been making strong representations to the United States Administration on the proposal. We will continue to support British insurance companies in seeking to have the relevant provision removed from the tax reform bill.

    Wages

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will give figures for the percentage of the wage bill paid by employers to the Exchequer for national insurance and tax under the following headings: (i) for all income levels, (ii) for incomes in excess of £12,000 per annum and (iii) for incomes less than £5,000 per annum.

    The most recent information is for 1982–83. As a percentage of the wage bill (taken to include employers' national insurance contributions as well as gross pay), the amount paid over in income tax and national insurance contributions on the employee's behalf, and in employers' national insurance contributions (including the surcharge, since abolished) is estimated to have been (i) 31 per cent. (ii) 35 per cent. and (iii) 24 per cent. Employees in employment for only part of the year but earning, whilst in employment, at a weekly rate equivalent to more than £12,000 in a complete year, have been included in (ii). Correspondingly, part-year employees earning at a weekly rate equivalent to more than £5,000 in a complete year have been excluded from (iii).

    Deep-Discounted Securities

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer, pursuant to his reply of 12 December, Official Report, column 770, on the subject of deep-discounted securities, when he intends to publish a full and detailed list of the amounts deemed by the Inland Revenue to be the issue price and interest element for each such security not issued in the United Kingdom which is subject to these provisions.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer, pursuant to his reply of 12 December, Official Report, column 770, on the subject of deep-discounted securities, how he intends to determine the issue price of United States stripped securities where there is no specific date of issue and when the instruments are stripped on demand.

    The rights to interest or redemption amounts from United States stripped securities are not regarded as securities issued by a company for United Kingdom tax purposes and the deep-discount legislation does not apply to them.

    Ec (Budget Contributions)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what has been the total net payment made by the United Kingdom to the EEC since 1 January 1973; if he will express this as a net amount per day of membership; and what estimate he has made of the comparable net daily cost in 1987.

    Local Authority Expenditure

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will publish a table in the Official Report comparing the Government's estimates for local authority (a) current, (b) capital and (c) total expenditure contained in each public expenditure White Paper from 1979 to date, against the actual outturn of expenditure under these headings, and on a constant price basis.

    Some of the information requested will be published shortly in the 1986 public expenditure White Paper. I shall write to the hon. Member giving the remaining material.

    The Arts

    South Bank Centre

    asked the Minister for the Arts if he will give details of the qualifications of Mr. Richard Pulford, general director, administration of the South Bank Centre.

    Mr. Pulford is an experienced administrator who was deputy secretary general of the Arts Council, and has been planning director for the South Bank.

    asked the Minister for the Arts what advice was sought by the Arts Council in determining the structure, staffing levels and pay of senior management for the South Bank Centre.

    asked the Minister for the Arts if he will list the salaries or expenses paid to members of the South Bank board since its inception; and how much is budgeted for 1986–87.

    No member of the South Bank board receives a salary from the Arts Council; I will write to the hon. Member about the arrangements for expenses.

    asked the Minister for the Arts (1) how many existing staff in the South Bank concert halls have been offered jobs following abolition of the Greater London council by the South Bank board;(2) if he will list the positions, the salaries and the names of those so far appointed to administer the South Bank Centre following abolition of the Greater London council on 31 March.

    asked the Minister for the Arts when he expects the Arts Council to declare its 1986-87 level of funding for the South Bank board; and if he will make a statement.

    The Arts Council expects to indicate the level of funding for the South Bank board within the next four weeks.

    Arts Council

    asked the Minister for the Arts when he expects the Arts Council to announce its 1986–87 funding for clients; and if he will make a statement.

    The Arts Council expects to make an announcement as soon as possible after its next meeting on 29 January.

    Prime Minister

    Public Money (Allocation)

    asked the Prime Minister if she will give similar information on identifiable grants and subsidies to local authorities to that given in her answer to the hon. Member for Northampton, North (Mr. Marlow) on 12 December, Official Report, columns 712–15, for (a) Coventry, (b) Birmingham and (c) Liverpool both in cash prices and at constant 1979 prices.

    The identifiable grants and subsidies paid to Coventry, Birmingham and Liverpool

    Table 1—Identifiable grants and subsidies paid to Coventry, Birmingham and Liverpool district councils—Cash prices
    1979–801980–811981–821982–831983–841984–851985–86
    Coventry
    (i) In total£ million71·987·480·484·4108·1102·9103·5
    (Capital grants in brackets)£ million(2·0)(3·1)(1·5)(2·9)(2·8)102·9103·5
    (ii) Per person£213258253266342324330
    (iii) Per unemployed person£2132582532664,0483,8373,981
    (iv) Per unemployed person under 20£21325825326620,44019,45221,514
    (v) Per person of pensionable age£1,4191,6931,5381,5952,0391,931:1,947
    Birmingham
    (i) In total£ million260·9307·0255·8250·7351·6356·7359·3
    (Capital grants in brackets)£ million(2·6)(12·3)(5·8)(5·4)(3·6)356·7359·3
    (ii) Per person£241298251246347355358
    (iii) Per unemployed person£2412982512463,7883,8573,893
    (iv) Per unemployed person under 20£24129825124618,41920,21822,089
    (v) Per person of pensionable age£1,5101,7461,4371,4091,9912,0312,046
    Liverpool
    (i) In total£ million164·0199·1174·8181·7239·9233.254·0
    (Capital grants in brackets)£ million(5·5)(6·5)(6·1)(8·0)(6·1)233·5254·0
    (ii) Per person£299388338356477470517
    (iii) Per unemployed person£2993883383564,3434,2214,467
    (iv) Per unemployed person under 20£29938833835620,17622,24525,556
    (v) Per person of pensionable age£1,7032,0611,8071,8852,5332,4952,714
    Table 2—Identifiable grants and subsidies paid to Coventry, Birmingham and Liverpool district councils—1979–80 prices
    1979–801980–811981–821982–831983–841984–851985–86
    Coventry
    In total£ million71·973·561·560·373·967·364·5
    (Capital grants in brackets)£ million(2·0)(2·6)(1·1)(2·1)(1·9)67·364·5
    (ii) Per person213217193190234212205
    (iii) Per unemployed person£2132171931902,7682,5112,481
    (iv) Per unemployed person under 20£21321719319013,97812,72813,408
    (v) Per person of pensionable age£1,4191,4251,1761,1391,3951,2631,210
    Birmingham
    (i) In total£ million260·9258·4195·6179·1240·5223·4233·9
    (Capital grants in brackets)£ million(2·6)(10·4)(4·4)(3·8)(2·4)233·4223·9
    (ii) Per person£241251192176237232223
    (iii) Per unemployed person£2412511921762,5902,5232,426
    (iv) Per unemployed person under 20£24125119217612,59613,23013,765
    (v) Per person of pensionable age£1,5101,4701,0991,0071,3621,3291,275
    Liverpool
    (i) In total£ million164·0167·6133·6129·8164·0152·81:58·3
    (Capital grants in brackets)£ million(5·5)(5·4)(4·6)(5·7)(4·2)152·81:58·3
    (ii) Per person£>299326258254326307322
    (iii) Per unemployed person£2993262582542,9702,7622·784
    (iv) Per unemployed person under 20£29932625825413,79814,55615:926
    (v) Per person of pensionable age£1,7031,7351,3821,3471,7321,6331·691

    Notes to Tables 1 and 2

    1.Table 1 gives information at cash prices. Table 2 gives the same figures converted to 1979–80 prices using the GDP deflator.

    2.The figures include rate support grant, housing subsidies, housing benefit, specific revenue grants and capital grants. Capital grants are not district councils are given in table 1 (cash prices) and table 2 (1979–80 prices). The figures are explained in the notes to tables 1 and 2.

    Unemployment statistics by local authority areas are not available prior to 1983–84.

    Attention is drawn to the discontinuities which result from the change in the rate support grant arrangements in 1981–82 and the introduction of housing benefit payments by DHSS in 1982–83. available however for 1984–85 and 1985–86. The amounts included for capital grants in the totals for the earlier years are shown in brackets under line (i) of the information for each authority.

    3.The figures included for rate support grant are affected by the change which occurred in 1981-82 when block grant and domestic rate relief grant superseded the needs, resources and domestic elements. Figures prior to 1981–82 are not on a comparable basis.

    4. Up to 1982–83 the figures include rent and rate rebates paid by the DOE. The 1982–83 figures also include some housing benefits paid by the DHSS. Thereafter, all housing benefits were paid by the DHSS.

    5. The figures only include grants and subsidies to the three authorities and do not include any payments to persons, companies or other organisations within the areas administered by them. Information on the latter is not readily available. If such payments could be included, the figures would be very much larger.

    6. The figures also exclude any proportion of the grants to the upper tier authorities within whose areas these authorities are located.

    7. Estimates of population figures for use in calculating lines (ii) and (v) of the information for each authority were obtained from OPCS. 1984–85 figures have been used as estimates for 1985–86.

    8. The figures in lines (iii) and (iv) for each authority are based on unemployment data from the Department of Employment. These are not available before 1983–84. Figures for unemployed persons under 20 have been used in place of those for persons under 21, which are not available.

    Westland Helicopters

    asked the Prime Minister (1) when the Government first learned that Westlands was in financial difficulties; and when they first intervened in the process of finding a solution to the difficulties;(2) whether she will publish in the

    Official Report particulars of the initiatives taken by the Government over the past 12 months to save Westland helicopters together with the representations made to foreign governments and foreign firms, showing the relevant dates.

    It was known throughout 1985 that Westland faced potential financial difficulties. Westland approached a number of British and European companies to see whether an association with them could provide a solution to its problems, but without success. When it became known that Westland had received proposals from United Technologies and Fiat, the Government agreed that the then Secretary of State for Defence should explore further the possibility of an alternative association with Aerospatiale, MBB and Augusta becoming available for consideration by the board of Westland. The then Secretary of State for Defence accordingly had a number of contacts with his opposite numbers in France, Germany and Italy during November and December.

    asked the Prime Minister whether the disclosures made by the Secretary of State for Defence concerning Cabinet and other discussions concerning the future of the British helicopter industry are to be referred to the Director of Public Prosecutions under section 2 of the Official Secrets Act.

    That is a matter for my right hon. and learned Friend the Attorney-General.

    asked the Prime Minister what is her policy towards the intervention of the European Commission in the Westland case; under what authority the commission acted when threatening Westland with loss of contracts in the event of it establishing a link with Sikorski and Fiat; and if she will make a statement.

    The Commission has made clear that there is no Commission decision or policy on Westland, and that it has no intention of intervening in a private decision.

    asked the Prime Minister (1) further to her letter dated 1 January to Sir John Cuckney concerning the future of Westland helicopters, whether she will publish in the Official Report particulars of the contributions which would be expected from Her Majesty's Government in the case of each of the existing and prospective future European collaborative projects to which she refers; whether and to what extent letters of intent would be signed within the lifetime of this Government; and what would be the extent of the commitment in terms of money and numbers of helicopters;(2) whether she will publish in the

    Official Report a list of the existing and future European collaborative projects together with the stage which each has reached, the role and actual or prospective work load assigned to Westland and the number of helicopters ordered by each of the countries concerned or for which a requirement has been indicated; and what is the Government's estimate of the resultant minimum and maximum annual work load for Westland in terms of (a) design and development and (b) production.

    A commitment has been entered into between Italy and the United Kingdom for the development of the EH101 anti-submarine helicopter. Production orders for the two nations are expected to amount to 90 military aircraft but contracts will not be placed in the near future. Development is being shared equally between the United Kingdom and Italy but obviously I cannot predict what the production share will be.A memorandum of understanding in which the United Kingdom is participating on equal terms with France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands governing the feasibility study of the NATO transport and antisubmarine helicopter for the 1990s (NH 90) was signed in September 1985. There is at present no commitment to future development or production on the part of any nation.Negotiations with Italy and the Netherlands on a battlefield helicopter, a development of the existing Italian Al29 helicopter, have been under way for some time. The industries of all three nations have been planning to be involved in the studies which would follow signature of a memorandum of understanding, whose preparation is well advanced. Recently, the possibility of amalgamating this project with the comparable Franco-German PAH2 has been suggested.I cannot at this stage comment on the future levels of financial commitment, work load or aircraft requirements in either the transport/anti-submarine or light attack helicopter categories.

    asked the Prime Minister (1) whether, if the Westland shareholders reject the European consortium proposals for investment in the company, she will make it her policy to dismiss the Secretary of State for Defence;(2) whether she will now make it her policy to dismiss the Permanent Under-Secretary of State for Defence.

    asked the Prime Minister whether the letter sent by the Secretary of State for Defence to Lloyd's Bank International regarding investment in Westlands represents Government policy.

    The then Secretary of State's letter of 3 January to the managing director of Lloyd's Merchant Bank was confined to questions relating to his responsibilities for defence procurement.

    asked the Prime Minister (1) further to her letter dated 1 January to Sir John Cuckney concerning the future of Westland helicopters, whether she will make it her policy that no orders will be placed for production models unless and until it can be shown that the military requirement can be met at an acceptable cost and that the European consortium is also the most cost-effective source of supply, in the event that Westland accept the European consortium proposal;(2) further to her letter dated 1 January to Sir John Cuckney concerning the future of Westland helicopters, whether she will list in the

    Official Report the considerations which will be taken into account in deciding which helicopter comes from the most cost effective source; what weight will be given to the reduction in public revenue and the increase in public expenditure which would result from a loss of jobs in the United Kingdom; and whether contracts for the supply of the military helicopters will be open to tender on a specification which will admit competition from the United States of America as well as European firms;

    (3) what is the Government's policy regarding discrimination against United States suppliers of defence materials.

    As I said in the letter to which the hon. Member refers, Government policy will remain that the United Kingdom should procure its helicopters from the most cost-effective source. Our policy is to secure the best long term value for money on a national basis in procuring the equipment which the armed forces need for their tasks. Accordingly we buy British whenever it is sensible, economic and consistent with our international obligations to do so, and acquire from overseas only when the advantages of cost, performance and time scale outweigh the longer term benefits of procuring the British alternative. The criteria used in deciding the source of our requirements are set out in the 1983 open government document "Value for Money in Defence Procurement".

    asked the Prime Minister, further to her letter dated 1 January to Sir John Cuckney concerning the future of Westland helicopters, whether any of the Governments and companies belonging to the European consortium have collaborated with the United States Government and/or United States firms on defence projects in the aircraft field; and whether he will publish particulars in the Official Report.

    Collaboration in development and production is widespread in the aircraft and associated equipment field. Examples for some of the companies to which the hon. Member refers include:

    British Aerospace:
    Harrier AV8A, AV8B, GR5; Hawk for USN; all with McDonnell Douglas.
    Agusta:
    Licence build of various United States helicopters (Boeing Chinook, Bell 212 and 412, and Sikorsky S6IN) before turning to in-house design and development (A109, Al29)
    MBB:
    Manufacture and assembly of Phantom for German air force.

    asked the Prime Minister whether the Government were aware before 29 November that an agreement was to be signed in London on that date between Lloyds International Bank and two companies owned by foreign Governments to form a consortium to seek a major shareholding in Westland.

    I understand that Aerospatiale and MBB formally appointed Lloyds Merchant Bank to advise them on 5 November. The Government were made aware of the appointment shortly after.

    asked the Prime Minister (1) whether the Governments which made the threats against Westland communicated these threats to Her Majesty's Government; whether this was done before the threats were made public; what was the reaction of Her Majesty's Government to these threats; and if she will publish the terms of any communication she has sent to the Governments concerned expressing the Government's views on the matter;(2) which European Governments and companies have indicated that a number of projects in which Westland is expecting to participate with other European companies may be lost to Westland if the United Technologies/Fiat proposals are accepted; to whom the indications have been given and in what form; and if the Government will make it its policy to institute proceedings before the European Court of Justice in respect of any action by any of the Governments or companies concerned which would discriminate against Westland on the grounds that it 'had accepted help from a non-European firm.

    I have nothing to add to my letter of 1 January to Sir John Cuckney, a copy of which has been placed in the Library.No doubt the Governments and companies will be considering the position further once Westland's shareholders have reached a decision.

    asked the Prime Minister whether her letter dated 1 January to Sir John Cuckney concerning the future of Westland was written in the knowledge that the Secretary of State for Defence would be writing to Lloyds Bank International on the same matter.

    The then Secretary of State for Defence's letter was written in response to a letter of 3 January from the managing director of Lloyds Merchant Bank.

    asked the Prime Minister (1) what is the policy of Her Majesty's Government towards the future survival of Westland helicopters;(2) what is the policy of Her Majesty's Government towards maintenance of a complete helicopter manufacturing facility in the United Kingdom which would not be dependent on supplies from the Continent in time of war; and to what extent this will be realised in the case of the proposals put forward by the European consortium and by Sikorsky-Fiat, respectively.

    The Government would wish to see a United Kingdom helicopter design, development and manufacturing capability maintained if possible. As a private sector company, it is for Westland to decide the best route to follow to secure its future and that of its employees.

    asked the Prime Minister whether the Government intend to make it a condition for placing an order for helicopters with a European consortium that no shares in any of the companies concerned will be bought by an American company.

    asked the Prime Minister, further to her letter dated 1 January to Sir John Cuckney concerning the future of Westland helicopters, whether, in the event of Westland agreeing to collaborate with the consortium on joint projects, the company will be given access to finance on the same scale and on no less favourable terms than the other participants; and whether the Government will make it their policy to protect Westland from unfair competition from foreign state-controlled and state-supported companies.

    Westland will continue to have the same eligibility for Government support as other United Kingdom companies in the private sector.

    asked the Prime Minister (1) whether Her Majesty's Government are satisfied that the Governments and companies which have threatened to discriminate against Westland will not use their position in the consortium to transfer output and employment from the United Kingdom to the Continent in the event that the European consortium offer to Westland is accepted: and what safeguards have been agreed to seek to ensure that this will not happen;(2) what she estimates would be the value of the work which would be put at risk for Westland if it collaborates with Sikorsky-Fiat; and if she will publish in the

    Official Report the basis on which the calculation was made.

    The Government will resist to the best of their ability any attempts by others to discriminate against Westland just as they would resist attempts to discriminate against any British company. The commercial arrangements between Westland and companies which may become shareholders in it are a matter for Westland and the other companies concerned.

    asked the Prime Minister what representations have been made by the Italian Government concerning the Sikorsky-Fiat proposals; what part Fiat would play in these proposals; and if the threats to Westland have been extended to Fiat by the Governments and companies referred to in her letter to Sir John Cuckney dated 1 January.

    The Italian Government indicated on a number of occasions, most recently on 7 January, a clear position in favour of strengthening of European collaboration and maintaining and developing collaborative programmes. Within this framework they would prefer the European consortium's proposals. The role of Fiat in the event of the United Technologies/Fiat proposals being accepted is a matter for the companies.

    asked the Prime Minister whether she will institute an inquiry into the publication of recent correspondence between the Solicitor-General and the Secretary of State for Defence; and if she will make a statement.

    asked the Prime Minister, pursuant to her reply of 19 December, if Her Majesty's Government have conditionally approved the purchase of six additional Sea King helicopters from the Westland company in the event of it accepting the financial offer from the European consortium; and if she will make a statement.

    I refer my hon. Friend to the answer being given today by my hon. Friend the Minister of State for Defence Procurement to the hon. Member for Yeovil (Mr. Ashdown).

    Civil Servants (Armstrong Memorandum)

    asked the Prime Minister (1) if she will amend the Armstrong memorandum of guidance on conduct for civil servants to cover the situation where there is a conflict of opinion between the head of the civil servants' Department and the Prime Minister; and if she will make a statement;(2) whether she will clarify the terms of the memorandum sent by the head of the Civil Service to Departments after the Ponting Case on the relationship between civil servants and Ministers to cover the kind of briefing of the Press which has taken and is taking place in the Westland affair.

    I see no need to clarify or amend the terms of that note of guidance.

    Channel Fixed Link

    asked the Prime Minister what assumption Her Majesty's Government have made about the extent to which a Channel tunnel would be usable in time of war; and what measures will be taken to ensure that the relevant specialised shipping is available in time of need if the Channel tunnel is built.

    United States (Trade Deficit)

    asked the Prime Minister whether she will publish in the Official Report details of the United States trade deficit in manufactures with France, Italy and West Germany for the most recent period of 12 months for which figures are available; and how this compares with the United States surplus with each of the countries on defence equipment.

    The United States trade deficit in manufactures for 1984 with the countries mentioned was as follows:

    $ billion
    France2·5
    Germany10·2
    Italy4·7
    Information on certain items of defence equipment is confidential and on others is not separately identified. It is therefore not possible to give complete figures for the United States trade balance in defence equipment with each country.

    United States (Defence Suppliers)

    asked the Prime Minister what is the policy of Her Majesty's Government towards dependence on supplies of arms and war material from the United States of America.

    The Government's policy on defence equipment collaboration is fully set out in paragraphs 312 to 321 of the Statement on the Defence Estimates 1985 (Cmnd. 9430–1).

    European Council (Report)

    asked the Prime Minister if she has yet received from the Commission the report requested by the meeting of the European Council in Fontainebleau in 1984 about a People's Europe; and if she will make a statement.

    The Committee on a People's Europe delivered a first report in March 1985 and a second in June. These were considered by the Brussels and Milan European councils, as I reported to the House on 2 April and 2 July last year.

    European Assembly (Proposals)

    asked the Prime Minister what is the policy of Her Majesty's Government on the proposals by the European assembly for the creation of a European anthem, a European flag, a Euro-TV channel, the formulation of tax systems and the establishing of offices for receiving complaints about Europe, which proposals were made in response to the Fontainebleau Council of Ministers proposals of 1984.

    These are expressions of view by the European Assembly. There has been no change in the Government's position since the European Council considered the report of the People's Europe Committee in June 1985. The issue of tax approximation was remitted by the European Council to Finance Ministers for further study. No consideration has been given by member Governments to the idea of complaints offices.

    Urban Priority Areas (Church Commission)

    asked the Prime Minister if she will list the rank and Department of civil servants loaned or seconded by Her Majesty's Government to the Archbishop of Canterbury's Commission on urban priority areas.

    Mr. J. N. Pearson was seconded from the Department of the Environment to be secretary of the commission. His rank was principal up to 1 January 1985, on which date he was promoted to grade 5.

    Airport Security

    asked the Prime Minister if she will state the number of occasions on which military personnel have been involved in exercises at Heathrow airport in each of the past five years; on whose proposal such exercises are undertaken; and which other airports in Great Britain have been involved in similar exercises in each of the past five years.

    The number of routine security exercises involving the deployment of troops at Heathrow airport in each of the past five years is as follows. A similar exercise was held at Gatwick airport in 1983. The exercises are held at the request of the chief officer of police responsible for the policing of the airport.

    Number
    19813
    19824
    19836
    19846
    19857

    Company Takeovers

    asked the Prime Minister on what basis Ministers intervene in the complete or partial take over of one company by another.

    Under the Fair Trading Act 1973 it is the responsibility of the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry to consider, in the light of advice from the Director General of Fair Trading, whether to refer any qualifying merger to the Monopolies and Mergers Commission.

    Defence

    Falkland Islands

    47.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many ferry ships accompanied the task force to the Falkland Islands; and what part they played in the hostilities.

    Initially, six ferries (Baltic Ferry, Nordic Ferry, Europic Ferry, St. Edmund, Elk and Norland) accompanied the task force. They were needed to carry troops and their support equipment. The Tor Caledonia followed with stores and vehicles but arrived after hostilities had ceased.The Europic Ferry and the Norland were used to carry troops for the first landings at San Carlos. The remaining troops and stores were disembarked over the next few days at San Carlos and Ajax bay.

    Airfields

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will list, for all airfields in the United Kingdom owned or substantially used by his Department, all buildings which are frequently used or occupied by more than 1,000 members of the public for recreational purposes and which are within two miles of the airfield perimeter.

    The public are admitted to airfields owned by my Department for various purposes, including air displays such as the Farnborough air show, open days and sporting events, but we have no knowledge of the purposes to which buildings beyond our perimeter are put. That is a matter for the local planning authority concerned.

    Bolton And Bury (Defence Establishments)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence further to the answer of 16 December, Official Report, column 97, if he will list the number of people employed in each of the five defence establishments in Bolton and Bury.

    The number of people employed in each of the five defence establishments in Bolton and Bury is as follows:

    Number of personnel
    Bolton
    Army Careers Information Centre 3
    TAVRA Centre4
    Bury
    TAVRA Centre*5½
    Army Regimental Headquarters5
    Army Training Camp and Area, Holcombe Moor5
    * Part-time employees are counted as half.

    South Africa (Lecturers)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give details of any lecturer at the Royal Military Academy, Sandhurst, who, within the last five years, has undertaken lecturing or other teaching engagements in South African universities in his capacity as a lecturer at Sandhurst.

    No lecturer at the Royal Military Academy, Sandhurst, has undertaken lecturing or other teaching engagements in South African universities in his capacity as a lecturer at Sandhurst in the last five years.

    Southern Industrial Pay Office

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if it remains his intention to proceed with the proposals to create a southern industrial pay office to cover the whole of the south of England; and if he will make a statement.

    The expansion of CPRO Portsmouth to create a southern industrial pay office commenced in 1984 and will be completed in 1986 although the original plans have been modified because of the intention to introduce commercial management into the royal dockyards as explained in my letter to the hon. Member dated 11 December 1985.

    Civil Defence

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether any information about arrangements made under the United States-United Kingdom lines of communication agreement is made available to county emergency planning officers in Cheshire, Merseyside, Greater Manchester or Lancashire; and if he will make a statement.

    Information about the arrangements made under the United States-United Kingdom lines of communication arrangement is generally classified and it would not be in the public interest to detail its circulation.

    13 Signals Regiment

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many former members of 13 Signals Regiment have been discharged since 3 February 1984.

    According to our records, of those serving in 13 Signals Regiment on or after 3 February 1984 77 have been discharged from that regiment since that date.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many former members of 13 Signals Regiment have been discharged before completion of their engagement since 3 February 1984.

    According to our records, of those serving in 13 Signals Regiment on or after 3 February 1984 43 have since then been discharged from that regiment before completion of their engagement.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many members of 13 Signals Regiment are yet to be discharged before completion of their engagement.

    Two members of 13 Signals Regiment are in the process of being discharged before completing their engagement and applications for discharge from a further three are currently being considered.

    9 Signals Regiment

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many officers of 9 Signals Regiment have been discharged since 3 February 1984.

    According to our records, of those officers serving in 9 Signals Regiment on or after 3 February 1984 five have left the service since that date, two at their own request and three on completion of their short service commission.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many officers of 9 Signals Regiment have been subjected to interrogation since 3 February 1984.

    Some 15 officers provided statements of evidence as part of the investigation into the alleged breaches of security at 9 Signals Regiment. A large number were interviewed but not required to provide such statements, and it would not now be possible to establish this figure precisely without disproportionate cost and effort.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) how many of the 300 service men who have provided statements of evidence as part of the investigation into alleged breaches of the Official Secrets Act at 9 Signals Regiment have been discharged since 3 February 1984;(2) how many of the 300 service men who have provided statements of evidence as part of the investigation into the alleged breaches of the Official Secrets Act at 9 Signals Regiment

    (a) are awaiting discharge, (b) have been discharged and (c) have been discharged prematurely or are to be discharged prematurely.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many senior non-commissioned officers of 9 Signals Regiment have been subjected to interrogation since 3 February 1984.

    Ninety seven senior non-commissioned officers provided statements of evidence as part of the investigation into the alleged breaches of security at 9 Signal Regiment. A large number were interviewed but not required to provide such statements, and it would not now be possible to establish this figure precisely without disproportionate cost and effort.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many of the 83 service men prematurely discharged from 9 Signals Regiment have been subjected to interrogation since 3 January 1984.

    Raf Personnel

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence, further to the answer of 21 November, Official Report, column 252, whether a decision has been made yet on the future of Senior Aircraftsman Alan Lightower, Senior Aircraftsman Wayne Kriehn, Senior Aircraftsman Gwynfor Owen and Senior Aircraftsman Geoffrey Jones.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many servicemen have been subjected to interrogation since 3 February 1984 by Flight Sergeant Mason and Flight Sergeant Sheehan.

    Honduras, Guatemala And El Salvador

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether members of the armed forces of (i) Honduras, (ii) Guatemala and (iii) El Salvador have received training in his Department's establishments in the United Kingdom since August 1983.

    No, but El Salvador may receive some training in the United Kingdom in 1986.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether British troops stationed in Belize have provided training to members of the armed forces of (i) Honduras, (ii) Guatemala and (iii) El Salvador since August 1983.

    Warships

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what saving the Government would expect to make if the warships now on order in British shipyards were built in German shipyards.

    Westland Helicopters

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence when the letter to him, dated 3 January, from Mr. Horne was received; when it was sent; and whether he had prior knowledge of the dispatch of the letter or its terms.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence who convened the meeting of the armaments directors of the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy and France in London on or around the afternoon of 29 November 1985; what proposals were discussed; and from whom each proposal originated.

    The former Secretary of State, after consultation with Dr. Woerner convened the meeting. The armaments directors' unanimous recommendations resulted from a review of policies pursued since 1978 in the field of helicopter collaboration.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence who convened the meeting of senior executives of Agusta, Aerospatiale and Messerschmidt-Bolkow-Blohm in London on or around 29 November 1985; what proposals were considered at the meeting; and from whom each proposal originated.

    The meeting originated in a request from Aerospatiale and MBB to my right hon. Friend, the then Secretary of State for Defence. He accepted this request just as he had previously agreed to see representatives of Sikorsky. At his suggestion Agusta were also invited to attend. After the three companies had met my right hon. Friend, and he had left for another engagement outside London, they had, I understand, a meeting with Lloyds Merchant Bank out of which their proposals emerged.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) further to his letter dated 3 January to Mr. Home, whether he will publish in the Official Report full details of the indications given by the other Governments concerned in each of the three projects of their intention to withdraw from collaboration with Westland if the company decides to collaborate with Sikorsky and Fiat on the production of a helicopter;(2) which of the Governments or firms in question took the initiative in forming the consortium which is bidding for a shareholding in Westland; and when and by whom the Government were first appraised of their intention;(3) whether he will publish in the

    Official Report details of the battlefield helicopter on which the United Kingdom has been intending to proceed with a feasibility study with Italy; what provision has been made for buying this helicopter, and at what cost in the long-term United Kingdom defence expenditure plans; which of the other Governments in the consortium have expressed an interest in buying the helicopter when developed and at what cost; and what is the value of the work for Westland;

    (4) whether he will publish in the Official Report particulars showing the terms on which the Government would be invited to buy the proposed European helicopter; whether and to what extent the price would include payment for the development to date of the A 129 and the PAH2; and if he will state the amount spent on the development to date;

    (5) what is the policy of Her Majesty's Government towards buying arms and equipment from United Kingdom firms wholly or partly owned by United States firms; whether there has been any recent change in this policy; and if he will publish in the Official Report a list of the major United Kingdom defence contractors which are wholly or partly owned by United States firms;

    (6) whether the Government are satisfied that the United Kingdom service requirement for which the new European helicopter is designed could not be met from United States sources at a competitive price; and whether the Government propose to enter into any contractual commitment which would prevent the United Kingdom buying a competitor helicopter at some future date;

    (7) whether the general policy of Her Majesty's Government towards the purchase of helicopters from the proposed European consortium is based on the (2)cost-benefit

    for the United Kingdom as well as on the strategic implications; and if he will publish in the Official Report the costs and benefits of each alternative as well as the strategic implications;

    (8) which of the Governments and companies concerned have said they will take part in the NH90 helicopter development, and which have said that they will withdraw, if Westland collaborates with Sikorski-Fiat; and what claims Westland or Her Majesty's Government would have under the terms of the agreement if the agreement is denounced.

    I refer the hon. Member to the answers given by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister earlier today.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) further to his letter, dated 3 January, to Mr. Horne, whether the Italian Government or Agusta have said that in the event of a link-up between Westland and Sikorsky-Fiat they will not proceed with the full development of the 13 tonne (EH 101) helicopter launched in 1984; which other countries would be interested in replacing Westland in this bilateral arrangement; whether any United Kingdom defence procurement interest would be jeopardised; and what claims Westland or the British Government would have under the terms of the agreement against Agusta if the agreement was denounced on the Italian side;(2) whether he will publish in the

    Official Report details of the 13 tonne class (EH 101) helicopter being developed by Westland and Agusta; what requirement for each of the armed services in the United Kingdom would be met by this helicopter; how many machines would be purchased by the United Kingdom and Italian Governments and at what cost; whether comparable machines are available or under development in the United States of America; whether the Agusta-Westland machine would be cheaper than a comparable United States machine; and whether the complete machine would be made in the United Kingdom independently of components made in Italy.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence, further to his letter, dated 3 January, to Mr. Home, if he will give particulars to the 8-9 tonne helicopter (NH90) concerning which there is a memorandum of understanding; to what extent the five Governments are committed to develop this helicopter and to buy the machine when developed; what use the United Kingdom has for this helicopter; when it is expected to be in operation; how much of the development work will be in the United Kingdom; how much of the complete helicopter will be made in the United Kingdom; what is the amount of work which has been given to Westland under this project to date; and what future commitments of work have been made to Westland.

    A memorandum of understanding covering the 14-month feasibility study into the NATO transport/anti-submarine helicopter for the 1990s was signed by France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and United Kingdom in September 1985. At this stage nations are only committed to take part in the feasibility study and will take a decision on whether to proceed to a further phase once the results of the feasibility study have been evaluated. The NH90 helicopter is likely to be of a size and configuration which could make it a contender to meet a United Kingdom light support helicopter requirement. Work during the feasibility study is shared on an equal basis between the five industries; no industrial plans have been made at this stage for any possible later phases.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is his policy towards the purchase of the improved version of the Agusta Al29 anti-tank helicopter; how this helicopter compares with the nearest equivalent produced by (a) Sikorsky and (b) any other United States company; what would be the cost in each case; how much of the improved Agusta Al29 helicopter represents United Kingdom technology; and how much would be built in the United Kingdom.

    Collaborative development of the Al29 LAB is one of the options for meeting the Army's requirement for an anti-tank helicopter for the 1990s. Although it is envisaged that the Al29 LAH would be an advanced helicopter, using the latest technology, the configuration, cost and industrial arrangements await the results and evaluation of a feasibility study. There is no equivalent helicopter currently produced by Sikorsky or any other American company, although a number of American companies are competing to develop an aircraft to meet the US service requirement for a light anti-tank helicopter to enter service in the 1990s.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence which of the three helicopter projects referred to in his letter dated 3 January to Mr. Horne would be an amalgam of the Al29 and P.AH2 helicopters.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he will publish for each of the three proposed collaborative helicopter projects referred to in his letter to Mr. Horne of 3 January the location of the relevant manufacturing plants.

    The location of the principal plants of the companies participating in the NH90 project, which involves the largest number of countries in a European helicopter programme, is as follows:

    • France
    • Germany
    • Italy
    • United Kingdom
    • Netherlands
    • Marseilles
    • Munich
    • Milan
    • Yeovil
    • Amsterdam

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how much he estimates will be saved in the defence budget if Westland joins the proposed European consortium to produce a battle helicopter; and if he will publish the Official Report the basis on which the calculation was made.

    I refer the hon. Member to the answers I have given today to a question from the hon. Member for Yeovil (Mr. Ashdown).

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) whether, in considering the proposals for joint development of a battle helicopter, the Government took into account the effect of this on the design capability of Westland Helicopters; and if he will make a statement showing the extent to which the proposed new helicopter relies on design work already done on the Al29 and the PAH2 together with the Government's estimate of the share of the design work, including work already done, which will accrue to Westland;(2) what part Westland has played in developing the Al29 and PAH2 helicopters; and what share Westland would get in designing the new helicopter if they agree to join the European consortium;(3) how many man hours of work have already been done on the design and development of the helicopter which is to be built by a European consortium, and in which countries; how many more hours need to be done and how much would be done in the United Kingdom if Westland agreed to take part; and where the preproduction models would be built;(4) what military characteristics are lacking in the Al29 and PAH2 helicopters which will not be lacking in the proposed consortium helicopter; when the new helicopter will be available for battlefield use and how this compares with delivery dates for the Al29 and PAH2, respectively; and whether the characteristics required can be found in a helicopter being built or developed in the United States of America;(5) whether the European consortium has undertaken to supply a battle helicopter within a given price range regardless of cost; who will bear the development costs; and what information he has as to the price for a comparable United States helicopter;(6) who is to provide the development finance for the helicopter to be built by the European consortium bidding for Westland; how much will be contributed directly or indirectly by the United Kingdom Government; whether a ceiling would be set on the United Kingdom contribution; and whether the United Kingdom will be free to purchase helicopters elsewhere if the proposed helicopter does not meet its specification or is not delivered on time.(7) what proportion of the existing staff would be employed on work on the helicopter to be built by a European consortium in the event of the company agreeing to take part in the project;

    The Al29 anti-tank helicopter is an Italian project designed and built by Agusta and due to enter full production shortly. The PAH2 anti-tank helicopter is a Franco-German project, designed by Aerospatiale and MBB, due to begin full development this year and enter service in the early 1990s. Westland has not been involved in the development of either helicopter.Over the past year discussions have been taking place between Italy, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom about the possibility of developing the Al 29 collaboratively to produce an advanced Al29 LAH, to enter service in the mid-1990s; these negotiations have yet to be concluded.Defence Ministers from France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom indicated in December their desire to see a single European anti-tank helicopter project, which would combine elements of Al29 LAH and PAH2. It is too early to say what, if any, of the elements of the Al29 LAH and PAH2 programmes would be brought into a combined European programme or to comment on future levels of workshare, costs or numbers of aircraft from any future sole European collaborative anti-tank helicopter programme.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether the Government have considered the strategic implications of the offer by a consortium of continental European manufacturers to buy a 29·9 per cent. stake in Westland Helicopters; and whether the Government have sought and obtained a guarantee that the battle helicopter which is to replace the Al29 and PAH2 will not be dependent on sub-assemblies and components manufactured outside the United Kingdom, in the event that the European consortium offer to Westland is accepted.

    The implications for procurement strategy in this field have been fully considered. The specific arrangements for the battlefield helicopter project will be for consideration in the light of the outcome of decisions by the Westland shareholders on the future of the company. It is a feature of most collaborative projects that, in order to obtain the benefits of scale in production, the participants depend upon each other's industry for components and sub-assemblies: Tornado and EH101 are examples.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what part he or his officials played in the discussions, finalised on 29 November, leading to the formation of the European consortium which is seeking a stake in Westland.

    Senior representatives of the European companies met my right hon. Friend, the then Secretary of State for Defence, and Ministry of Defence officials on 29 November 1985. Ministry of Defence officials have provided factual information on the Department's plans for future helicopter procurement. Westland has been regularly provided with similar information as part of the routine liaison between the Department and its main helicopter supplier.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the nature and purpose of the NH90 project; what the letters NH convey; and why he told the Lloyd's Merchant Bank that a United States stake in Westland would be incompatible with participation by that company in the NH90 project.

    I refer my hon. Friend to the answers given to the hon. Member for Great Grimsby (Mr. Mitchell) by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister earlier today.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how Her Majesty's Government intend to implement the assurances given by the Prime Minister to the board of Westland plc regarding that company's future participation in European projects.

    We shall seek on all occasions to persuade our European partners of the advantages of Westland's participation in helicopter projects of mutual interest.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether the Government considered the range, characteristics and estimated cost of the helicopters currently and prospectively available in examining the case for purchasing supplies from a European consortium; and if he will publish this information in the Official Report.

    My Department keeps itself informed of the operational characteristics and estimated cost of helicopters which might potentially satisfy the needs of the armed services.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether the Government considered the merits of the AST404 helicopter compared to the NH90 for supply to the British Army; what are the main fighting and other characteristics of each; what was the estimated United Kingdom content of each; and what was the estimated cost in each case before and after taking account of other costs and benefits.

    The comparison the hon. Member is seeking is between a Ministry of Defence staff target and a specific helicopter project which is currently the subject of international feasibility study. No answer is therefore possible on the basis requested.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he is satisfied his policy on United States collaboration with Westland will not affect the willingness of the United States to place contracts for strategic defence initiative work in the United Kingdom.

    I have no reason to suppose that decisions on the future of Westland will affect the placing of SDI work.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he has examined the financial position of Agusta; how this compares with that of Westland; and what assessment he has made of the implications for each of these companies of a Westland link up with Sikorsky and Fiat.

    Agusta, in common with other Western helicopter manufacturers, has experienced difficulties stemming from the stagnation of the world helicopter market following a period of growth in the 1970s. I understand that it is the intention of the Italian Government to sustain Agusta as a centre for the design, development and production of modern helicopters.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether the Government are satisfied that other EEC countries would be willing to supply helicopters to the United Kingdom for use in the Falklands should hostilities recommence.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what representations were made to the Governments of France, Italy and Germany before 29 November last to persuade them to take a shareholding directly or indirectly in Westland helicopters in return for a commitment by the United Kingdom to buy a continental helicopter.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what rates of exchange were used to cost the various options open to his Department for the purchase of helicopters; and what effect there would be if the costings were all adjusted to current rates of exchange.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether the Government will give an undertaking that helicopters purchased from the European consortium will be built in the United Kingdom in the event of Westland agreeing to join the consortium.

    The implications for procurement strategy in this field have been fully considered. The specific arrangements for the battlefield helicopter project will be for consideration in the light of the outcome of decisions by the Westland shareholders on the future of the company. It is a feature of most collaborative projects that, in order to obtain the benefits of scale in production, the participants depend upon each other's industry for components and sub-assemblies: Tornado and EH101 are examples.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether, in the negotiations leading up to the European consortium proposals for a share stake in Westland, he made it clear to the other Governments and companies concerned that the British Government would continue to support Westland's wish to participate in joint European projects.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether the Government are satisfied with the terms on which Westland Helicopters would participate in a European consortium to manufacture a battle helicopter in the event of the European consortium's proposals for Westlands being accepted; whether representatives of nationalised companies in other countries will be represented on the board of Westland; how Her Majesty's Government's interests will be safeguarded; and if he will publish in the Official Report such details as he has of the ownership, turnover and production of the firms concerned.

    The commercial arrangements between Westland and any companies which may acquire a shareholding in it would be for the companies themselves to decide. Her Majesty's Government's interests in specific projects would be safeguarded in the contractual and other arrangements for those projects.No doubt the hon. Member could obtain direct from the relevant companies copies of their annual reports giving the further information he seeks.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will indicate in which year he anticipates being able to place the order for six Westland Sea King helicopters if the projected saving of £25 million from merging the Al29 and PAH2 helicopters is achieved.

    The Ministry of Defence cannot guarantee the order for six Sea Kings. However, if the plans for a five-nation battlefield helicopter project are approved, the order will be placed in late 1986, consistent with delivery in early 1990. This would apply whatever reconstruction proposals West land's shareholders accepted.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give a breakdown and details of the £25 million projected savings in overheads from the merging of the Al29 and PAH2 helicopter projects.

    If a battlefield helicopter were procured on a five-nation basis, the United Kingdom defence budget would expect to contribute less than to a two-nation project because the costs of development would be more widely shared. The saving in the Department's forward costings is calculated to amount to £25 million by March 1991.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement explaining where arid when the recent meeting of national armaments directors of France, Germany and Italy took place at which the decision was made to purchase only helicopters built in Europe; and what steps he took to publicise the decisions made at the meeting and the implications of the decisions for defence policy.

    Tornado Aircraft

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the significance of the Tornado aircraft programme to the defence of the United Kingdom; how much public money has been committed to it; and if he intends to cancel the programme in the light of the disclosure of Libyan part ownership of Fiat.

    European Fighter Aircraft

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the significance of the European fighter aircraft to the defence of the United Kingdom; how much public money has been committed to it; and if he intends to cancel the programme in the light of the disclosure of Libyan part ownership of Fiat.

    Nato Costs

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what percentage of the total costs of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation defences were borne by the United States of America, the United Kingdom, France, Germany and Italy, respectively, in the most recent annual period for which figures are available.

    The countries mentioned accounted for the following percentage of total defence spending by NATO members in 1984:

    per cent.
    United States70·6
    United Kingdom6·7
    France6·0
    Germany6·0
    Italy2·8

    Notes:

    (1) These figures are compiled from NATO sources, except for France. They are based on NATO definitions of defence expenditure.

    (2)The United Kingdom devotes some 95 per cent. of its defence spending to NATO; comparable figures are not available for other countries.

    Arms Supplies

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether the Government are satisfied at the cooperation from the United States of America in supplying arms and equipment for use by the British forces; and if Her Majesty's Government are also satisfied with similar co-operation from Italy, France and Germany.

    Channel Tunnel

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what consideration he has given to the defence implications of the consequences for the ferry fleet of the proposed Channel tunnel.

    The effect of a Channel fixed link upon the ferry fleet and the consequential defence implications, are being taken fully into account in the assessment of the Channel Fixed Link proposals.

    Fox Hunting

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make it his policy to prohibit the use of regimental funds in connection with the use of departmental property, such as horses, to participate in fox hunting.

    [pursuant to his reply, 20 December 1985, c. 379–80]: No. Hunting is a demanding mounted activity which brings benefit in terms of improving equestrian standards, and positive exercise and development for the horses. Regimental funds are not public funds, so the question of a prohibition does not arise.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether any insurance costs arise to public funds in respect of the participation of Army (a) horses and (b) personnel in hunting activities.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how regiments organise payments for block bookings taken out with hunts each winter; and what costs arise to public funds in this respect.

    [pursuant to his reply, 20 December 1985, c. 379–80]: All payments to hunts are made from non-public funds.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the current annual cost of keeping a Cavalry, Guards or King's Troop horse; and if this is fully met from public funds.

    [pursuant to his reply, 20 December 1985, c. 379–80]: The average annual cost of an Army horse is about £800 which is met from public funds.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what costs arise to public funds in respect of the participation of Army staff and horses in fox hunting; and if he will give the figures for the last two seasons broken down by character of cost.

    [pursuant to his reply, 20 December 1985, c. 379–80]:There are no additional costs to public funds.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence when, pursuant to the answer of 12 December, Official Report, column 782, Army horses were first permitted to ride in hunts.

    [pursuant to his reply, 20 December 1985, c. 379–80]: Records show that Army horses have been hunted since at least 1902, but it is believed that Army horses have participated in hunts for many years before that date.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence on how many days in the 1984–85 season the 19 Army officers referred to in the answer of 12 December, Official Report, column 782, hunted.

    [pursuant to his reply, 20 December 1985, c. 379–80]: Detailed records are not kept but on average each officer hunted about seven times during the season. Officers pay the entry fees for hunts from their own money.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence on how many days in the 1984–85 season any of the 25 soldiers referred to in the answer of 12 December, Official Report, column 782, actually rode to hounds.

    [pursuant to his reply, 20 December 1985, c. 379–80]: Detailed records are not kept but each soldier hunted about three or four times during the season. Unlike officers, soldiers do not pay entry fees to the hunts; these are paid on their behalf from regimental funds.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what were the duties of the 25 soldiers referred to in the answer of 12 December, Official Report, column 782, in the 1984–85 season whilst at RAVC Melton Mowbray.

    [pursuant to his reply, 20 December 1985, c. 379–80]: To exercise and look after the Army horses sent by London units to Melton Mowbray.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many horses from each of the Household Cavalry, Kings' Troop Royal Horse Artillery and the Guards Division were injured whilst hunting; and how many died whilst hunting or from causes directly related to hunting, in each of the last two seasons.

    [pursuant to his reply, 20 December 1985, c. 379–80]: During the last two seasons one horse died whilst on a hunt but its death was not directly related to hunting. No separate records are kept of injuries sustained on hunts.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how the horses are selected to participate in hunting activities; how are the (a) officers and (b) men selected from amongst the volunteers; and how many horses have been selected in total in each of the last five years, broken down by the number of times they have been so selected.

    [pursuant to his reply, 20 December 1985, c. 379–80]: The horses that are selected for hunting are those which would benefit from the vigorous exercise and the teamwork involved in hunting. They tend to be the younger horses which have spent the summer on ceremonial duties in London. The officers and men selected for hunts are those who enjoy the hunts, are competent riders and are available to exercise the horses. Records are not kept of the number of times a horse has been selected for hunts during the last five years.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the current usage of Land Rover registration number 64 HG 93 and Rice trailer 43 FL 94; and if he will make a statement on their use in connection with attendance at hunts in each of the last two seasons.

    [pursuant to his reply, 20 December 1985, c. 379-80]: Rice trailer 43 FL 94 is the property of the Guards Saddle club, having been purchased and insured by the club. Land Rover 64 HG 93 is the only military transport used by the personnel from the Household Division involved in the winter training at Melton Mowbray. It is used to collect forage, transport soldiers and tow a horse box. Money is recovered from the Guards Saddle club, appropriate to the distance travelled, and if the vehicle is used for taking horses to meets.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence who owns the vehicles used to transport horses to hunt meetings; and who is responsible for the fuel and other running costs.

    [pursuant to his reply, 20 December 985, c. 379–80]: With the exception of one military Land Rover which amongst its other duties is sometimes used to take horses to meets, all vehicles used to convey Army horses to hunts are privately owned by the units concerned. Fuel and maintenance costs for these vehicles are met from regimental funds. In the case of the military Land Rover a recovery of cost is made from the unit's saddle club funds when the vehicle is used to transport horses to meets.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what proportion of Army horses spend their winter at RAVC Melton Mowbray; what exercise and training the remaining horses receive and where; and why they do not participate in hunting there.

    [pursuant to his reply, 20 December 1985, c. 379–80]: About 25 per cent. of the Army horses spend the winter at Melton Mowbray. Horses which do not go to Melton Mowbray for winter exercising tend to be: horses which are unlikely to benefit significantly from winter exercising, usually the more mature horses; horses needed for ceremonial duties; horses needed for riding instruction in London. All horses that are based in London are exercised regularly, for varying durations, in Hyde park; some horses from the Household Cavalry are also sent to Sopley, Hampshire for two weeks winter exercising.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is his policy towards soldiers at RAVC Melton Mowbray concealing their fox hunting activities there from other Army visitors to the centre.

    [pursuant to his reply, 20 December 1985., c. 379–80]: No attempt is made to conceal this activity from Army visitors to the centre.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what duties soldiers from the Guards Division would be employed on if they were not acting as grooms for fox hunting at RAVC Melton Mowbray.

    [pursuant to his reply, 20 December 1985, c. 379–80]: They would be exercising and looking after Army horses or undertaking equestrian training.

    Bases And Facilities

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will list the location by parliamentary constituency of (a) all Royal Air Force facilities in the United Kingdom and (b) all United States bases and facilities in the United Kingdom.

    [pursuant to his reply, 27 November 1985, c. 577]: The following two communications facilities were omitted in error from the list of bases and facilities used by the United States Forces in the United Kingdom which I gave in my previous reply:

    Communications FacilityConstituency
    RAF SwingateDover
    RAF ThursoCaithness and Sutherland