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Volume 89: debated on Tuesday 14 January 1986

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Written Answers To Questions

Tuesday 14 January 1986

Trade And Industry

Phoenix Ii

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will make a statement about Phoenix II, the proposed engineering steels joint venture between the British Steel Corporation and Guest, Keen and Nettlefold.

The Government announced on 7 August 1985 their agreement in principle that Phoenix II should go ahead, as a joint venture company combining BSC's special steels businesses and GKN's special steels and forgings operations. Agreement has now been reached on a number of major outstanding issues, which should enable the new company, to be called United Engineering Steels, to start trading on 1 April 1986.BSC and GKN will both contribute fixed assets, stocks and cash to the new company. As part of these arrangements the Government have approved the provision of funds for BSC to subscribe £55 million for preference shares and loanstock. United Engineering Steels will be a freestanding, private sector company, and it is the firm intention of BSC and GKN as shareholders, and of the Government, that it will meet all future financial requirements without further recourse to public sector finance or guarantees. The Government approval is also on the understanding that the new company will undertake further investments, particularly in continuous casting facilities.On the information at present before him, and in accordance with the recommendation of the Director General of Fair Trading, my right hon. and learned Friend has decided not to refer the merger of the relevant BSC and GKN activities to the Monopolies and Mergers Commission. Formation of the new company is also subject to the agreement of the European Commission under the competition provisions of the treaty of Paris.

National Finance

Expenditure White Paper

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer when he intends to publish the 1986 public expenditure White Paper.

"The Government's Expenditure Plans 1986–87 to 1988–89"—Cmnd. 9702, Vol I and II, will be published at 3·30 pm on Wednesday 15 January, and copies will be available in the Vote Office.

Ec Budget

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer when he expects to receive payment of the 1,000 million European currency units abatement agreed at Fontainebleau in June 1984 in respect of the United Kingdom's excessive net contribution to the 1984 Community budget.

Payment of the 1,000 mecu (£604 million) was made over the period 31 December to 6 January. It could not be paid to the United Kingdom until the Community's new own resources decision had been approved by all member states in accordance with their respective national procedures. Notification of the last of the national approvals was received by the Community on 28 December. The 1,000 mecu were then paid as soon as possible thereafter. Further details are contained in a press notice issued by Her Majesty's Treasury on 7 January, copies of which have been placed in the Library.

Attorney-General

Kestrel Pension Scheme

asked the Attorney-General if the Director of Public Prosecutions has received any report from the police concerning allegations of fraud in connection with the Kestrel pension scheme run by Hill: Kestrel Communications Limited; and if he will make a statement.

These allegations were the subject of a report to the Director of Public Prosecutions by the Thames Valley police in December 1984. The Director of Public Prosecutions established a fraud investigation group to co-ordinate the investigation and the result of the inquiries is now under consideration.

St Edward (Remains)

asked the Attorney-General if he has received representations about the return of the bones of Saint Edward, the Anglo Saxon martyr king, to Shaftesbury; and if he has been engaged in legal proceedings concerning the return of the bones.

I have received a number of representations on this matter from supporters of the King Edward Orthodox Trust, who wish to establish a resting place for the bones at Brookwood Cemetery, and from others who would like to see the bones returned to Shaftesbury where they were discovered. I have no plans, at present, to pursue legal proceedings concerning the return of the bones.

Commercial Counterfeiting

asked the Attorney-General if the remit for the investigation by the Roskill commission included the trial of cases involving commercial counterfeiting; and if he will make a statement.

I have been asked to reply.The remit of the fraud trials committee included all criminal proceedings arising from fraud. I would refer my hon. Friend to the statement my right hon. Friend made today.

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

Intervention Stocks

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will list the stocks of beef and skimmed milk held in intervention stores in the United Kingdom at the latest convenient date; and if he will make a statement.

A note setting out the volume of United Kingdom and Community intervention stocks, including those of beef and skimmed milk powder, is deposited in the Library of the House and updated monthly.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what was the cost in 1984–85, and what is the estimated cost in 1985–86, of holding beef and skimmed milk in intervention stores.

Figures for storage and other related costs are:

£'000
1984–85 (outturn)1985–86 (estimate)
Beef12,55223,769
Skimmed milk powder2,323924

Source: 1984–85 Appropriation Accounts, Class III, Vote Al; 1985–86 Winter Supplementary Estimate, Class III, Vote Al.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether the cattle which produced the beef and skimmed milk currently held in intervention stores were fed on imported grain, soya, ground nuts or anchovies.

It is not possible to ascertain on what the animals from which are derived the beef and milk products held in intervention have been fed. I have no evidence that imported groundnuts or anchovies are used

'000 tonnes
198219831984Date at which applicable in each year
European Community foodstuffs held in public intervention storage
Butter10069284131 December
Skimmed milk powder56799061731 December
Wheat of which:6,3006,8578,78231 December
Feedn.a.n.a.3,10931 December
Breadn.a.n.a.5,67331 December
Barley1,6251,1021,84531 December
Rye29324942631 December
Durum77171485831 December
Beef20337261031 December
Olive oil16610211231 December
Oilseeds3705531 December
Wine alcoholn.a.n.a.2mhlSeptember
Sugar (white sugar equivalent)008831 December
European Community foodstuffs held in assisted private storage
Butter23718810731 December (1982 and 1983 = December)
Cheese6791‡100December
Beef2624275Figures represent quantities contracted for storage under schemes operating nearest the end of each year
Pigmeat1022431 December
Dried fruit0*5*1531 December
÷2231 December
Table wine38mh1039mh15mhl31 December
*1981 crop dried grapes.†1982 crop dried grapes and figs suitable for distillation and animal feed.‡Estimated.

in cattle feed, although soya can be a minor ingredient in cattle rations and some imported grain may be used in cattle feed in some areas of the United Kingdom.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will make it his policy that beef and skimmed milk going into intervention stores do not come from cattle reared on imported grain, soya, ground nuts or anchovies, or on crops capable of being used for human consumption.

No. Producers should continue to be free to choose the most economic way of providing feedstuffs for their livestock. It is any way not practicable nor sensible to do this.

Ec (Surplus Food)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what was the total tonnage of surplus food in European Economic Community private and public stores at the most recent date for which figures are available; what were the comparable totals on the same date in each of the previous three years; and what was the increase in such total stocks each day over the past 12 months.

A note setting out the volume of produce, including foodstuffs, in intervention and private storage in the European Economic Community on the latest available dates is deposited in the Library of the House and is updated monthly. Information on EC stock levels at the end of December in each of the three previous years is as follows: Figures showing the increase in stocks on a day-to-day basis over the past 12 months are not available.

Annual Review

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will make a statement on the outcome of the 1986 annual review of agriculture.

A White Paper setting out the conclusions of the 1986 annual review of agriculture will be laid before Parliament today. The White Paper shows that gross output in current prices is forecast to decrease about 5 per cent. from £12,550 million in 1984 to £11,883 million in 1985. Aggregate farming income during 1985 fell by 43 per cent. following the 35 per cent. increase in 1984. Farm business income, a broader based measure, declined by 25 per cent. following a 27 per cent. increase in 1984. The industry's labour productivity declined by 3 per cent. compared to an average annual growth rate of 7 per cent. over the last decade.These adverse trends are largely the result of the exceptional weather conditions experienced in 1985 which particularly affected Scotland, Northern Ireland and the hill and upland areas of Wales and Northern England.The cereals harvest was 4·3 million tonnes below the record level in 1984 and there were marked reductions in farming incomes in the cattle and sheep, cereals and other cropping sectors. Community policies aimed at restraining production were also contributing factors.

Live Fish (Northern Ireland)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he has any plans to make an order to permit live fish of the salmon family to enter Great Britain from Northern Ireland; and if he will make a statement.

Following extensive investigations conducted by our officials, my right hon. Friends and I have concluded that the present absolute prohibition on imports of live fish of the salmon family under section 1 of the Diseases of Fish Act 1937 should be relaxed in respect of Northern Ireland. Accordingly, we have today laid before Parliament for its approval a draft statutory instrument entitled The Importation of Live Fish of the Salmon Family Order, which would give effect to this relaxation.The absolute prohibition under the 1937 Act on imports of live fish of the salmon family has served us well over the years and the Government intend to do nothing which would jeopardise our present relative freedom from serious fish diseases. The relaxation we propose relates only to live fish of the salmon family coming from regularly tested hatcheries in Northern Ireland. We have concluded that such a relaxation is justified because of the fish disease status of Northern Ireland and the measures it takes to secure that status. When the order comes into force movements of live fish of the salmon family from Northern Ireland to Great Britain will need to be licensed by the appropriate Fisheries Department. Licences will be issued only so long as we are satisfied as to the health status of the supplying site.

Education And Science

Teachers' Pay Dispute

38.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will make a statement on his policy towards the reimbursement of transport costs for children who, as a result of disruption to school timetables in connection with the teachers' dispute, are obliged to travel at times of day when official school transport is not available.

Under section 55(1) of the Education Act 1944 it is for local education authorities to judge whether it is necessary to make arrangements for facilitating the attendance of pupils at schools. Transport provided under such arrangements must be free of charge. Section 55(2) provides a discretionary power for authorities to pay the whole or part of the travel expenses in other cases.

Open University

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether he has received the report of the Open University's visiting committee; and if he will make a statement on the Open University's allocation of grant for 1986 and the provisional allocation for 1987 and 1988.

My right hon. Friend has considered the Open University visiting committee's report. A copy has been sent to the university with a letter notifying it of its grant for 1986 and indicated grants for 1987 and 1988. Copies of the report and the grant letter have been placed in the Library.

Environment

Pollutants (Synergistic Relationship)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what information he has as to the existence of a synergistic relationship between the two pollutant effects sulphur dioxide and oxides of nitrogen.

Research so far indicates that these two pollutants can be synergistic in their effects in some cases but that in others their combined effects may be equal to, or less than, the effect of each independently. Further research in my Department's programme is aimed at increasing our understanding of these complex relationships.

Acid Deposition

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what freshwater bodies in the United Kingdom have become unable to support fish stocks because of acidification as a result of anthropogenic emissions of sulphur compounds; and, in each case, if a return to former viability is expected to be achieved by the end of the century, with or without liming operations.

There are a number of man made and natural causes of acidification. The freshwaters where fish stocks have been most affected by acidification are mainly areas of high rainfall and acid geology in the north arid west of Britain. A report by my Department's acid waters review group identifying the most susceptible areas will soon be published.

It is not possible to say whether or when the affected waters might be returned to their former biological status. Research is being carried out to investigate causes and possible remedies.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what fall there has been in the level of emission of sulphur dioxide from United Kingdom sources between 1979 and 1984.

United Kingdom sulphur dioxide emissions fell from an estimated 5·34 million tonnes in 1979 to an estimated 3·54 million tonnes in 1984, a fall of 33·7 per cent.

Water (Nitrate Levels)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many reports were made to health officials by water undertakings to indicate nitrate levels in public water supplies over 50 mg; and what were the comparable figures in each of the previous three years.

Water authorities and companies notify health authorities whenever nitrate levels in a public water supply exceed 50 mg per litre. During the first six months of 1985, 70 supplies exceeded 50 mg nitrate per litre at some time, in 1984, 81 supplies and in 1983, 82 supplies. I do not have comparable information for earlier years.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what steps he is taking to reduce nitrate levels in public water supplies.

No public water supply is allowed to contain nitrate levels which the Government's medical advisers consider to be a danger to public health. As a result of my Department's recent examination of applications for derogations from the nitrate standard of the EC drinking water directive, concentrations in seven supplies have been or are being reduced. A group of experts will shortly be reporting to Ministers on the scope for limiting nitrate concentrations in water sources and supplies in the longer term.

Home Department

Victim Support Schemes

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he has reached a conclusion on the possibility of providing additional funding for victim support schemes; and if he will make a statement.

Yes. I remain of the view that individual schemes should in the main be able to look to their local communities as their primary sources of funds. Such an arrangement best corresponds with the spontaneous and voluntary character of the victims support movement. I am, however, conscious that some schemes are experiencing particular financial difficulties, and I therefore propose to make £136,000 available in the financial year 1986–87 to help such schemes. This will be in addition to the grant which will continue to be paid to the National Association of Victims Support Schemes to support its headquarters work. The money will be paid to NAVSS, which will allocate grants to local schemes which are in particular need of financial assistance. I understand that NAVSS will shortly be writing to local management committees inviting applications. Victims support schemes, like other voluntary bodies, can also apply for assistance under general Government programmes such as the urban programme and the MSC voluntary projects and community programmes.

Commissioner Of Police Of The Metropolis (Report)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will publish the report by the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis on his strategy for the coming year; and if he will make a statement.

I am today placing copies of the Commissioner's report to me in the Library, and I am sending a copy to all right hon. and hon. Members for constituencies wholly or partly within the Metropolitan police district. I plan to meet London Members shortly to discuss the report, and I hope that the House as a whole will also have the opportunity to debate it.I have discussed the Commissioner's report fully with him. It describes the progress made towards achieving the strategy last year, and sets a new force goal for 1986.


The Metropolitan police have been under heavy pressure for much of the past year, notably during the disturbances in September and October. Despite this the Commissioner is able to report achievements in many fields. The continued growth in the number of neighbourhood watch schemes, and the further development of community-police consultative groups is particularly welcome. Consultative groups in many parts of London now play an important part in the development of the policing policies for their areas.

The force goal for 1986 will be to improve the quality of service to the public by:

  • (a) The reduction of criminal opportunity through crime prevention, public contact, involvement and cooperation;
  • (b) (i) The enhanced detection of specific criminal offences (for example, robbery, burglary, drug misuse, racial attacks, vandalism and auto-crime) in accordance with local or centrally identified priorities; (ii) A concerted attack on organised crime and the elimination of the profits therefrom;
  • (c) The enhanced support, care and concern for victims of crime;
  • (d) Improved effectiveness both in the preservation of public tranquillity through closer community-police relations and in the policing of public disorder through better tactical control, communications, equipment and training.
  • I greatly welcome the new emphasis on support for the victims of crime.

    The Commissioner expresses in the report his views on the manpower needs of the force. As I told the House on 21 October, I have set in hand urgent work to consider where there are specific needs for further increases in the force establishment. At the same time, I have emphasised the continuing importance of securing the most effective use of existing resources. The report gives a full account of the initiatives which the Commissioner is pursuing to this end.

    Crime Statistics

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what was the increase in the number of 14 to 17-year-olds and 17 to 21-year-olds cautioned for indictable offences between 1983 and 1984.

    Statistics of cautions are published annually in "Criminal Statistics, England and Wales" (chapter 5 of the latest issue of 1984, Cmnd. 9621) and more detail is given in "Criminal Statistics, England and Wales, Supplementary Tables, Volume 4". Table S4·1(c) of the issue of the latter for 1984 shows that between 1983 and 1984 the number of cautions of those aged 14 to 16 increased by 10 per cent. and of those aged 17 to 20 by 34 per cent.

    Coroners

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will introduce legislation to consolidate the law regarding the duties of coroners.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is his estimate of the number of criminal offences recorded in 1985 and the number in 1978.

    Information on notifiable offences recorded by the police in England and Wales in the first three quarters of 1985 was published in "Home Office Statistical Bulletin", issue 34/85 on 11 December 1985. The number of offences in 1978 was published in the report on criminal statistics for that year (Cmnd. 7670).

    Neighbourhood Watch Schemes

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will make a statement about the operation of neighbourhood watch schemes.

    Neighbourhood watch provides an important stimulus for community involvement in practical crime prevention and I am encouraged by its continued expansion. Some 8,000 individual schemes are now operating in England and Wales, and more are planned. Schemes which are properly designed and carefully introduced can reduce local crime. The results of detailed evaluations of neighbourhood watch schemes in the Metropolitan police district, which we expect towards the end of the year, should provide further information on how to obtain the full benefit of this valuable crime prevention initiative.

    Shops Bill

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will update the figures previously given for the number of representations he has received from members of the public and interested parties for and against the Shops Bill [Lords] detailing the total numbers involved; and if he will list any shopping chains that have written in favour and those against.

    Wet DepositionDry Deposition
    Loch ArdMerrickLoch ArdMerrick
    Hydrogen ion (gH+m-2 year-1)0·05–0·10·05–0·1
    Sulphate (gSm-2 year-1)1·2.1·6>1·60·5–1·00·5–1·0
    Nitrate (gNm-2 year-1)0·2–0·40·1–0·2Not Available
    It is not possible to make an accurate estimate of future deposition levels at specific sites in individual years because of the difficulty of forecasting emissions and the large year-to-year variation introduced by meteorological

    We have received 27 representations in favour of the Bill since its publication and 16,292 against. The following multiple retailers have written in favour of the Bill since its publication:

    Wyevale Garden Centres Limited
    Notcutts Garden Centres Limited
    William Stike Limited
    Briggs Boot Stores.
    The Co-operative Union Limited has written against.

    Prevention Of Terrorism

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he expects Sir Cyril Philips to complete his next annual report on the operation of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1984; and if he will make a statement.

    Sir Cyril Philips has undertaken a comprehensive programme of visits and has consulted a number of organisations interested in the operation of the prevention of terrorism legislation. Observations from other interested persons or organisations may be sent to him direct or received on his behalf by the Home Office F.4 division by 24 January. I hope to make the report public later this month.

    Scotland

    Acid Deposition

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) if he will give figures to show the current levels of deposited acidity in grams of hydrogen ion per square metre per year, deposited non-marine sulphate, and deposited nitrate in grams of sulphur and nitrogen per square metre per year for (a) the Loch Ard area and (b) the Merrick in Galloway; and what is the number of years over which the figures are averaged;(2) if he will publish estimates of levels of deposited acidity in grams of hydrogen ion per square metre per year and deposited non-marine sulphate and deposited nitrate in grams of sulphur and nitrogen per square metre per year for

    (a) the Loch Ard area, central Scotland and (b) the Merrick in Galloway for the years 1990, 1993, 1996, 1999

    and 2001, respectively.

    Figures of the levels of deposited acidity in the Loch Ard area and the Merrick are not available but values can be deduced from the date published by the Department of the Environment review group on acid rain in 1983 and available from Her Majesty Stationery Office. Ranges representative of these general areas, averaged over three years 1978–1980, within which depositions may be expected to lie are set out in the table. factors. Data from a number of Scottish sites suggest, however, that if present emission patterns remain relatively constant there is unlikely to be a significant change in deposition levels over the Loch Ard and Merrick areas in the next 15 years. A reduction in emissions would, however, be expected to result in generally reduced depositions.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what information he has to the maximum level of sulphur deposition, expressed in kilograms per hectare per year, which lochs and freshwaters in acid-sensitive areas of Scotland can tolerate without experiencing long-term acidification; and what information he has as to which specific bodies of water have already been acidified beyond this maximum level.

    The sensitivity of lochs and freshwaters to acidity varies according to geological and other conditions, and the level of sulphur deposition above which ecosystems may become affected is subject to continuing research. The biological effects of long-term acidification have, however, been evident so far only in the surface waters of the Galloway and Trossach areas.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what percentage change there has been in the concentration of acidity of rainfall in Scotland between 1979 and 1984.

    Current research indicates that between 1979 and 1984 the concentration of acidity in rainfall in Scotland has reduced substantially, probably by 40 to 50 per cent., although the trend has not been consistent over the country due to effects of variable weather patterns. These figures are based on measurements taken since 1978 at a number of different sites throughout the country.

    Employment

    Unemployment Benefit

    asked the Paymaster General why claimants who are disallowed unemployment benefit on availability grounds are included in the unemployment totals if they continue to sign on as unemployed.

    The monthly unemployment count relates to those claiming benefits at unemployment benefit offices. The count may therefore include some people who are disallowed benefit on availability grounds who continue to sign on, usually because they are appealing against disallowance.

    Nuclear Power Industry

    asked the Paymaster General if he will describe the types of information published by the Nuclear Installations Inspectorate in respect of accidents, incidents and untoward occurrences, including those without any radiological consequences, at licensed nuclear sites and at other nuclear sites; and if he will make a statement.

    The Health and Safety Executive publishes a quarterly statement of all incidents at nuclear installations which are reported to Ministers under the arrangements announced by my hon. Friend the Member for Croydon, Central (Mr. Moore), the then Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Energy, to the hon. Member for Copeland (Dr. Cunningham) on 26 July 1982, at column 374.In addition, the executive publishes reports of special investigations that it carries out.

    Employment Schemes

    asked the Paymaster General how many people have been assisted by the work on own account scheme in each of the last five years for which figures are available; what was the cost of the scheme in each year; if he will provide details of the assistance given in each individual case in the last year for which figures are available; and if he will make a statement.

    The number of people helped in the last five years and the total cost of the business on own account scheme in each of those years was:

    BeneficiariesExpenditure£
    1980–81119,906
    1981–821319,762
    1982–83724,085
    1983–841334,568
    1984–85726,272
    Details of the grants awarded, but not necessarily paid, in 1984£85 are as follows:

    £1,700 for piano tuning.
    £6,000 for word processing and office services.
    £6,700 for picture framing.
    £4,000 for music composition.
    £5,180 for car sales and valeting.
    £6,000 for saddlery.
    £5,000 for electronics repairs.

    asked the Paymaster General if he will provide details of the work on own account scheme and the eligibility criteria for the scheme.

    The business on own account scheme is intended to help certain very severely disabled people who have no other means of obtaining employment to set up their own businesses. It provides assistance in cases where other schemes, such as The enterprise allowance scheme, are not appropriate or do not make adequate financial provision. The scheme is administered by the Manpower Services Commission.Assistance under the scheme is given in the form of a single grant towards the cost of the tools, equipment, premises alterations and so on necessary to start up a business. MSC's disablement resettlement officers can advise potential applicants as to their eligibility, the criteria for which are:

  • (i) the applicant must be severely disabled and classified as section II disabled according to the registration scheme set up under the Disabled Persons (Employment) Act 1944;
  • (ii) the applicant must be considered capable of running the business;
  • (iii) the proposed business should be well thought out and considered to be viable;
  • (iv) the business must be a last resort, that is all other avenues of resettlement into open and sheltered employment must have been explored.
  • Overseas Development

    Third World (Private Aid)

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs to what factors he attributes the decline in net private aid flows to the Third world between 1980 and 1984, and in particular the fall in bank lending.

    The decline in net private flows to developing countries is the product of general world economic circumstances. During the 1970s many such countries borrowed heavily on floating rate terms in currencies which in recent years have yielded high real rates of interest. This has led to an increasing level of debt servicing and a corresponding decline in creditworthiness. The increased risk of international bank lending has resulted in banks, including those in the United Kingdom, reducing the level of net lending to developing countries.Net private flows from the United Kingdom to developing countries are estimated to have declined from £4·5 billion in 1980 to £1·4 billion in 1984, the main element being a decline from £1·9 billion to £0·1 billion in bank lending on market terms (that is loans with a maturity of one year or more, net of repayments). Total international bank lending from all sources to developing countries declined markedly over the same period.

    Aid Statistics

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether he will set out in tabular form from Organisation for Economic Development and Co-operation sources the actual monetary amount, converted to pounds sterling or United States dollars, of official aid provided in 1984 by France, Canada, West Germany, Japan, the United Kingdom, Italy and the United States of America.

    Net official development assistance provided in 1984 by the listed countries was:

    US $ billionUS *#x0024 billion
    France*2·552†3·788
    Canada1·625
    West Germany2·782
    Japan4·319
    United Kingdom1·418
    Italy1·105
    United States8·711
    *Excludes disbursements to overseas departments and territories.†Includes disbursements to overseas departments and territories.

    Source: OECD development assistance committee chairman's report for 1985 (draft).

    Energy

    Polkemmet Bing

    asked the Secretary of State for Energy what conclusions the National Coal Board's chief scientist for Scotland has reached following his analysis of the length of copper piping taken from near the Polkemmet Bing and supplied by the hon. Member for Linlithgow to the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, the hon. Member for Wirral, West (Mr. Hunt) on 16 December; and if he will make a statement.

    The National Coal Board's monitoring of the fumes at the Polkemmet Bing has shown that the levels of hydrogen sulphide and sulphur dioxide at the perimeter of the burning Bing are less than one part per million; concentrations at nearby properties should be even lower because of dilution. Experts believe that these low concentrations would not be a health hazard, even though they have unpleasant odours and are capable of discolouring some metals such as copper.The section of copper pipe which the hon. Member passed on to me on 16 December has been examined by the Scottish area of the NCB's chief scientist, with the assistance of the Institute of Occupational Medicine in Edinburgh. They conclude that the discolouration of the pipe is a film of copper sulphide, which is to be expected given the prevailing conditions at Polkemmet. I shall be writing to the hon. Member to give him the details of the reports.

    Prime Minister

    Israeli Prime Minister

    Q42.

    asked the Prime Minister whether she will make a statement on the forthcoming visit to the United Kingdom by the Prime Minister of Israel.

    The Prime Minister of the State of Israel will visit the United Kingdom at my invitation from 21–26 January. I look forward to my talks with Mr. Peres.

    Children (Ministerial Responsibility)

    Q49.

    asked the Prime Minister if she will allocate specific ministerial responsibility for the welfare and protection of children to co-ordinate the responsibilities of the Department of Health and Social Security, education, police and voluntary services; and if she will make a statement.

    I am fully aware of the need for effective co-ordination on all matters concerned with the welfare and protection of children. But I do not believe that my hon. Friend's proposal would secure the result he earnestly seeks. At present the Secretary of State for Social Services is the lead Minister in the existing arrangements.

    British Rail

    Q60.

    asked the Prime Minister if she will make it her policy to use British Rail at least once in the course of her official duties in 1986.

    Ec (Majority Voting)

    Q78.

    asked the Prime Minister what has been the response of other European Economic Community members to the reservation which she placed at the Luxembourg summit in December on the proposal to extend majority voting to directives dealing with terms and conditions of employment; and if she will make a statement.

    At the Foreign Affairs Council on 16–17 December, there was a brief discussion in which my right hon. and learned Friend the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, maintained our reserve on the working environment text dealing with the health and safety of workers on the grounds that this article, as drafted, might be used to impose unfair burdens on our small and medium businesses. It has already been agreed to maintain unanimity for directives concerned with harmonisation of laws relating to other rights and interests of employed persons.

    Engagements

    asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 14 January.

    asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 14 January.

    asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 14 January.

    asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Tuesday 14 January.

    This morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others. In addition to my duties in this House I shall be having further meetings later today.

    Westland Plc

    asked the Prime Minister whether she will institute an inquiry into the publication of recent

    BelfastNorth-EasternSouth-EasternSouthernWestern
    1. Pupil/teacher ratios Primary (including nursery)21·723·523·823·823·8
    Secondary14·015·315·115·415·2
    Grammar15·516·017·215·716·1
    2. Cost per pupil£££££
    Primary (including nursery)739642627612629
    Secondary1,3141,0641,0639841,042
    Grammar1,0471,0039191,0231,010

    Notes:

    (a) Pupil and teacher numbers are as at January 1985: expenditure as in 1984–85 financial year.

    (b) Unit pupil costs exclude expenditure on certain school-related services—eg school meals, home-school transport and other miscellaneous items.

    Terrorism

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will introduce legislation to provide for stiffer sentences for terrorist activities, including the reintroduction of the death penalty for murder.

    Social Services

    Board And Lodging

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what information he has as to action taken by local authorities in Tyne and Wear on cases referred to them in accordance with his Department's circular S 12/85 on substandard board and lodging accommodation.

    I understand that local authorities in the Tyne and Wear area have taken action in two cases following reference to them in accordance with the Department's circular S 12/85. The details of any such action are of course the responsibility of the local authorities concerned—the boroughs of Sunderland and South Tyneside—and the hon. Member may therefore wish to consult them direct.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what steps have been taken to ensure the payment of arrears of supplementary benefit board and lodging allowances following the statement to the House on 17 December 1985 by the Minister for Social Security, the hon. Member for Braintree (Mr. Newton).

    correspondence between the Solicitor-General and the Secretary of State for Defence: and if she will make a statement.

    [pursuant to her reply, 13 January 1986]: An inquiry has been instituted.

    Northern Ireland

    Pupil-Teacher Ratios

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will publish detailed statistics on pupil-teacher ratios and unit costs in primary, secondary and grammar schools for each of the five education and library board areas in Northern Ireland.

    Instructions were issued last week on the payment of arrears of benefit to people in ordinary board and lodging between 29 April and 24 November 1985. Copies of the instructions are in the Library. Local offices will be identifying affected cases and paying arrears as soon as possible.We shall also take the earliest possible opportunity to secure, take in and, as appropriate, act upon judicial clarification of the effect of the Supplementary Benefit (Requirements) Amendment and Temporary Provisions Regulations (SI 1984/2034), which governed the payments for all types of boarders from December 1984 to April 1985.

    Hospitals

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will list all new hospitals which have opened since May 1979 or are due to open over the next 18 months, indicating the first date on which approval for each scheme was given.

    The tables list the major capital schemes completed since May 1979 and those expected to be completed in 1986–87 and give in each case the year in which the scheme was first approved. A major scheme is one above a certain cost, which has varied over time, which requires it to be subject to departmental approvals. During the period many smaller capital projects have been completed, but for which full records are not held centrally.

    Region and Scheme

    Approval in principle given

    Major capital schemes completed since May 1979

    Northern

    Furness (Barrow) DGH Scheme 1 Ph 11972
    North Tyneside Scheme 1 Ph 11977
    Queen Elizabeth Gateshead Ph 11979
    Royal Victoria Infirmary Ph 41964
    South Cleveland General Ph 11972

    Yorkshire

    Grimsby DGH Ph 11975
    Leeds General Infirmary Ph 11960

    Trent

    Chesterfield DGH Ph 11972
    Glenfield DGH Ph 11976
    Lincoln County Ph 11978
    Northern General Ph lc1980
    Queens Medical Centre Ph 21975
    Rotherham DGH Ph 21978

    East Anglian

    Great Yarmouth DGH Ph 11976
    Hinchinbrooke Hospital Ph 31979
    Ipswich Ph 1 (Heath Road Wing) 1977
    Kings Lynn DGH Ph 21971

    North West Thames

    Watford (Shrodells) Wing Ph 31970

    North East Thames

    Broomfield DGH Ph 51980
    Colchester DGH Ph 21979
    London Hospital Clinical Building Ph 11970
    Newham Hospital Ph 11976

    South East Thames

    Kent & Sussex Hospital Ph 11978
    Maidstone DGH Ph 11977
    Orpington DGH Ph 11978

    South West Thames

    Croydon/Mayday DGH1976
    Redhill DGH (Nucleus) 1976
    St Georges Block G2 and F Ph 21979

    Wessex

    Southampton General Ph 5 (Maternity)1968
    Southampton General Ph 5 West Ward Block1968

    Oxford

    Milton Keynes DGH Ph 11979

    South Western

    Derriford DGH Ph 11971

    West Midlands

    Dudley DGH (Russells Hall) Ph 3a1970
    Stafford DGH Ph 41971

    Mersey

    Arrowe Park New DGH1964
    Countess of Chester (W Cheshire) 1977
    Halton DGH Ph 21981
    Macclesfield Development (Nucleus) 1978
    Royal Liverpool Ph 2/31967

    North Western

    Hope Hospital Salford Ph 11976
    Preston New Hospital Ph 11975
    Preston New Hospital Ph 21977

    Major capital schemes due for completion 1986–87

    Yorkshire

    Scarborough DGH Ph 11981

    Region and Scheme

    Approval in principle given

    Trent

    Derby City Ph 11980
    Derby Royal Infirmary Ph 21980

    North West Thames

    Hemel Hempstead Ph 11982
    St Marys W2 Ph 1B1980

    North East Thames

    Harold Wood Hospital Ph 11981

    Wessex

    Royal Hants County Winchester1980
    Royal S Hants Southampton Ph 31980
    W Dorset DGH Ph 11981

    South Western

    West Somerset (Musgrove Park) Ph 11980
    Weston Super Mare New Hospital1979

    West Midlands

    Bromsgrove & Redditch DGH Ph 11980

    North Western

    Tameside General Hospital Ph 21981

    Social Services (Exhibition)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will arrange for an exhibition relating to social services today to be displayed in the Upper Waiting Hall.

    I understand that arrangements have been made with the authorities of the House for the exhibition to be held in the Upper Waiting Hall from 27 January 1986 to 31 January 1986.

    Aids

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services who are the members of the interdepartmental committee on acquired immune deficiency syndrome; when the committee last met; and what are its terms of reference.

    The ministerial steering group on AIDS and the interdepartmental group on AIDS comprise 1979 representatives from the following Departments: Health and Social Security, Home Office, Employment, Education and Science, Environment, Defence, Foreign and Commonwealth Office, Cabinet Office, Treasury, Trade and Industry, and the Welsh, Northern Ireland, and Scottish Offices.The ministerial steering group met on 2 December 1985 and the first meeting of the interdepartmental group will be held on 21 January. The interdepartmental group's terms of reference are

    "to advise the Ministerial Steering Group on AIDS on the development of a co-ordinated strategy towards the wider issues arising out of the infection with the HTLVIII virus, and on any measures needed to implement that strategy".

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he intends to publish guidelines to those people in the National Health Service who are likely to come into contact with individuals who are HTLVIII positive.

    The Advisory Committee on Dangerous 1981Pathogens has already issued interim guidelines on AIDS for clinical and laboratory staff. ACDP is revising the guidelines to take account of current scientific knowledge and these should be published in the early part of this year.

    Drugs Campaign

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he will make a statement on the current position of the Government's drug misuse education and information campaign.

    The campaign of information and education about the misuse of drugs has been running since February. It features a set of leaflets for parents, two television commercials and a series of poster and press advertisements. In December last year a video training package entitled "Working with Drug Users" was launched.As the next stage, the Government have launched "Double Take", a video package for young people, especially 12 to 15-year-olds. The package will be issued free for retention to any secondary school in England and Wales that applies for it. All secondary school headteachers in England and Wales are being mailed with details of the package.The 1985 campaign as a whole has been evaluated by two independent market research companies and the initial

    Number of cases on acute surgical in-patient waiting lists in National Health Service hospitals in district health authorities wholly or partly within the Greater London council area
    District health authority30 September31 March30 September31 March30 September31 March
    1982∗1983∗1983∗1984∗19841985
    Barnet3,5213,6143,7083,3563,6893,766
    Harrow1,2711,3831,2571,5211,1321,104
    Hillingdon5,8095,9005,7995,9546,1626,665
    Hounslow and Spelthorne3,1003,2113,7073,6104,1043,839
    Ealing1,3671,2681,6101,6891,3411,659
    Brent1,6201,9082,2432,1692,0971,840
    Paddington and North Kensington2,6282,4162,2822,7572,8812,380
    Hammersmith and Fulham2,9722,9302,6322,6792,2942,830
    Victoria2,7132,7312,6022,6572,6372,327
    Barking, Havering and Brentwood4,3124,4974,2345,1995,6656,103
    Hampstead1,9481,6751,7051,8791,7762,133
    Bloomsbury8,90410,3429,84211,69411,92112,853
    Islington1,0721,1231,3121,5711,4761,748
    City and Hackney4,1314,4364,9855,4345,8346,399
    Newham2,2222,0002,4121,5041,5501,162
    Tower Hamlets5,5635,5055,4955,4765,5085,823
    Enfield2,9522,6762,7552,8292,7923,069
    Haringey1,7081,4561,3501,1081,2111,208
    Redbridge1,6881,6581,4651,6231,5771,375
    Waltham Forest3,2453,7123,5663,9633,6703,945
    Bexley1,0491,1481,0269201,2681,348
    Greenwich2,1382,5792,4632,4352,2412,026
    Bromley1,9062,1222,1031,9101,8061,919
    West Lambeth5,6024,6164,2155,0065,1584,732
    Camberwell3,1282,9272,9492,8422,9542,748
    Lewisham and North Southwark4,8004,7264,3475,2075,4965,840
    Croydon3,0062,9222,7092,3901,9422,142
    Kingston and Esher3,1683,0382,9483,1182,9343,070
    Richmond, Twickenham and Roehampton2,2662,3332,5712,7402,8992,770
    Wandsworth2,9393,1392,8633,0482,9873,044
    Merton and Sutton3,5303,3743,2852,6222,4112,424
    ∗Figures before 30 September 1984 exclude a small number of surgical specialist units which were not separately identifiable.

    Nhs (Pay)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will publish in the Official Report the index for the movement of National Health Service pay and

    results are now available. The evaluation consisted of a long-term "quantitative" survey to check significant shifts in opinion and attitudes as well as a smaller "qualitative" study of the campaign. The main findings of the evaluation include:

    —the campaign was widely noticed and appreciated not only by young people, the main target audience, but also by parents.
    —a reduction in the proportion of young people who considered heroin attractive or glamorous.
    —an increased awareness of the social and physical ill-effects of misusing heroin.
    —an increased resistance to the idea of experimenting with heroin.

    This evaluation will form the base from which decisions about activity in 1986–87 will be made. A budget of £2 million will be available for further work in 1986–87.

    Hospital Waiting Lists

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will give the number of people on the waiting list for acute surgery in each London health district from November 1982 until the latest available date.

    [pursuant to his reply, 17 December 1985, c. 155]: The available information at 30 September and 31 March is given in the table.prices since 1970, expressing 1970 costs as 100; and whether separate indices are used to deflate health service costs in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    [pursuant to his reply, 19 December 1985, c. 312]: There is not an index of National Health Service pay and price movements, but indices are maintained, based on centrally assessed movements of pay and prices in England, for health and community health service revenue and capital expenditure respectively. The indices are available from 1971–72 and are shown in the table with the index for 1971–72 expressed as 100. Figures are not available for the current financial year.Real increases in expenditure on the HCHS are measured by reference to general inflation, as recorded by movements in the GDP deflator, since this approach records changes in the real cost of the service. It would, in any event, be highly misleading to revalue district or health board expenditure by reference to national pay and price indices, because the composition of that expenditure can vary from the national average.Separate pay and price indices are not maintained for Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Hospital and Community Health Services
    RevenueCapital
    1971–72100·0100·0
    1972–73109·0108·2
    1973–74119·6123·9
    1974–75162·9154·1
    1975–76209·8201·3
    1976–77238·7225·4
    1977–78259·2257·7
    1978–79284·1287·8
    1979–80342·4347·4
    1980–81438·2437·4
    1981–82474·2451·4
    1982–83505·0458·6
    1983–84530·6465·9
    1984–85561·4483·1

    Transport

    Bus Lanes (Millbank)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport (1) whether his Department was consulted prior to the designation and eventual implementation of two new bus lanes along Millbank between Parliament square and Abingdon street; what advice was given to the Greater London council; and what assessment he has made of the effect on traffic flows to and from the Palace of Westminster;(2) what representations were received, what advice was given, and what meetings were held with the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis prior to the introduction by the Greater London council of new bus lanes along Millbank between Parliament square and Abingdon street in order to ascertain how they might affect the Palace of Westminster and access to it.

    The GLC is solely and entirely responsible for this scheme. I understand that they have consulted the House authorities (who have expressed their concern at the scheme) and the police. They have not consulted me. The GLC has classified the scheme as experimental and my approval is not required. It will be open to Westminster city council from 1 April to decide if it should be abandoned forthwith. Meanwhile, the GLC is pressing ahead despite the concern that has been expressed and the fact that Westminster city council has recently announced a comprehensive review of traffic and environmental conditions in the area.

    Defence

    Strategic Defence Initiative

    13.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what changes will be made in the defence budget over the next five years as a result of British participation in the strategic defence initiative.

    None. The provision for defence expenditure up to 1988–89 was given by my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer in his autumn statement on 12 November.

    22.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many contracts have been created to date for British institutions through the activities of the strategic defence initiative participation office.

    26.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what assessment he has made of procurement contracts which may be available to the west midlands in the take-up of the United Kingdom's strategic defence initiative responsibilities; and if he will make a statement.

    30.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the latest estimate of the value of research contracts which could accrue to the United Kingdom from the strategic defence initiative research programme.

    Since the formal agreement between the United States and United Kingdom Governments on British participation in SDI research was only concluded on 6 December 1985 it would be premature to make such an assessment. We are confident, however, that the terms of the agreement will provide for substantial British participation.

    29.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what evaluation his Department has made of the feasibility of the strategic defence initiative as a defence system.

    I refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave earlier today to the hon. Member for Leeds, West (Mr. Meadowcroft).

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what defence technology of use to Britain he expects to obtain from United Kingdom participation in the strategic defence initiative.

    I have nothing to add to what my right hon. Friend the then Secretary of State for Defence said in this House on 9 December 1985, at column 623.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the implications of United Kingdom participation in strategic defence initiative research for United Kingdom research into emerging technologies with application for conventional defence.

    I have nothing to add to what my right hon. Friend the then Secretary of State for Defence said in the House on 9 December 1985, at columns 623–24.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what changes will be made in the defence budget over the next five years as a result of British participation in the strategic defence initiative.

    I have nothing to add to what my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State said to the hon. Member for Gordon (Mr. Bruce) earlier.

    Expenditure

    20.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the present level of planned defence spending as a percentage of all public expenditure; and what was the comparable figure for 1979.

    Based on the figure for general Government expenditure in the 1985 autumn statement made by my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer on 12 November, planned defence expenditure is expected to be 11·5 per cent. of general Government expenditure in 1985–86, compared to 10 per cent. in 1978–79.

    Nuclear Tests (Report)

    21.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he has any plans to discuss the Australian Royal Commission report on British nuclear tests with his Australian counterpart; and if he will make a statement.

    At the instigation of the Australian Government, discussions between British and Australian officials took place in Canberra last week on those recommendations of the Australian Royal Commission's report which may affect the United Kingdom. I plan to meet Senator Evans, the Australian Minister for Resources and Energy, next week to discuss these matters. It would be premature to make a statement until the outcome of our discussions with the Australian Government has been fully considered.

    A13

    23.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether, in the light of the recently published line of the A13 marshes route, he will review his Department's need for its landholding on the Rainham marshes.

    None of the published routes for the A13 road will be materially affected by the existence of the Purfleet firing range, which is my Department's only remaining landholding in the area. The need for this heavily used range continues.

    Nuclear Back-Packs

    24.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he has any plans to equip British soldiers stationed on British soil with man mobile atomic weapons (nuclear back-packs).

    Nuclear Materials (Stocks)

    27.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will now answer parliamentary questions on the levels of the United Kingdom stock of weapons grade nuclear materials; and if he will make a statement.

    It has been the longstanding practice of successive Governments not to disclose information of this nature.

    Trident

    28.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the latest estimate of the proportion of British-made content in the Trident programme.

    Approximately 55 per cent. or over £5,100 million by value of the total estimated cost of Trident (£9,285 million at 1984–85 prices and at £1 =S1·38) is planned to be spent in the United Kingdom. In addition, there are a number of British companies competing for work on the United States Trident H programme. To date, 128 contracts (at a value of some $38 million) have been placed with 50 United Kingdom firms. Many of these sub-contracts are for initial quantities with the potential for follow-on orders.

    32.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence when he expects to complete development of the Trident missile programme; and if he will make a statement.

    The development of the United Kingdom Trident system is planned to be completed to enable it to be deployed in the mid-1990s.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will estimate the current cost of Trident and the proportion it will take up of the defence budget; and if he will make a statement.

    My predecessor announced an estimate of the cost of Trident of £9,285 million at 1984–85 prices and at an exchange rate of £1 = $1·38 on 29 January 1985. Over its procurement period, Trident is expected to absorb about 3 per cent. of the defence budget.

    International Committee Of The Red Cross (Protocols)

    31.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if there has been a full military review of the International Committee of the Red Cross, protocols 1 and 2 of 1977, initialled by Her Majesty's Government but not yet ratified.

    I understand that a full review of the military implications of protocols 1 and 2 was conducted prior to the then Government's initialling of these protocols in 1977.

    Nimrod Aircraft

    33.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement about the likely introduction date of the Nimrod airborne early warning aircraft into squadron service.

    This must be dependent on the outcome of the current negotiations with GEC Avionics Limited and on the consequent decisions on the best way to take the project forward.

    Battlefield Nuclear Weapons

    34.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence when he expects SACEUR to visit the United Kingdom to begin negotiations for the development of modernised battlefield nuclear weapons.

    I refer the hon. Member to the answer given by my right hon. Friend to the hon. Members for Monklands, West (Mr. Clarke) and for Orkney and Shetland (Mr. Wallace) on 22 November 1985 at column 351. Initial discussions with SACEUR's staff are planned to commence in February.

    Nuclear Tests (Compensation)

    35.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what recent representations he has received about payment of compensation to former service men and women as a result of Britain's nuclear testing programme.

    Within the past three months I have received seven such representations. Two of these were inquiries made by hon. Members on behalf of constituents, two were early-day motions laid before the House by hon. Members and three were questions for oral answer tabled by hon. Members.

    37.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether his Department now intends to review claims for compensation to ex-service personnel arising from Britain's nuclear test programme.

    I refer the hon. Member to my answer to the hon. Members for Caerphilly (Mr. Davies) and Worsley (Mr. Lewis) earlier today.

    European Fighter Aircraft

    36.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will report on progress on the European fighter aircraft.

    I refer my hon. Friend to the reply I gave earlier today to my hon. Friend the Member for South Ribble (Mr. Atkins).

    Mutually Assured Destruction

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what recent discussions he has had with his United States counterpart concerning an evaluation of the strategy of mutually assured destruction.

    My right hon. Friend's predecessor regularly discussed with Mr. Weinberger matters pertaining to NATO's strategy of deterrence, which has preserved peace with freedom in western Europe for more than 40 years.

    Fighter Pilots (Training)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give the present cost for training Royal Air Force fighter pilots.

    The RAF does not separately categorise fighter pilots. The average cost to the Ministry of Defence of training a student pilot to the point when he joins an operational fast jet squadron is approximately £2·87 million (at 1984–85 prices).

    Departmental Efficiency

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what methods he uses to measure the efficiency of his Department.

    My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State informed the House of certain steps which have been taken to improve the efficiency of defence in his speech in the defence debate on 12 June 1985, at columns 915–16, and a fuller record was given in the "Statement on the Defence Estimates" (Cmnd. 9430–1).

    Private Shipyards (Security)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if there have been any breaches of security at the private yards where HMS Otter and HMS Euryalus are being refitted.

    I am not aware of any breaches in security in these yards. The security arrangements at these private yards were examined in detail by the security authorities, to confirm that they complied with my Department's requirements. Some small improvement in the existing arrangements were made as a result.If the hon. Gentleman has any relevant information I should be grateful to hear from him.

    Nato

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence when he next intends to meet his North Atlantic Treaty Organisation counterparts; and what he expects to discuss.

    My right hon. Friend expects to meet his NATO counterparts collectively at the spring meeting of the nuclear planning group, administrative details of which will be released nearer the time. The agenda is confidential.