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Volume 102: debated on Thursday 23 October 1986

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Written Answers To Questions

Thursday 23 October 1986

Environment

Mortgages

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many houses were being bought on mortgage in 1986 and in each of the past seven years.

The proportion of households buying their homes with a mortgage loan is estimated from information collected in the annual general household survey: the latest results available are for 1984. The figures are derived from those proportions and from my Department's estimates of total households.

Local authority dwellings vacant more than a year at 1 April
EnglandEast MidlandsLeicester
Total stock(000)Long term vacant1Total stock(000)Long term vacant1Total stock(000)Long term vacant1
Numberper cent. of stockNumberper cent. of stockNumberper cent. of stock
198024,764223,2000·54001,5600·436,6882550·7
19814,91224,1000·53991,5400·437,3391330·4
19824,81919,8000·43861,2500·337,1321360·4
19834,66022,7000·53701,1200·335,491720·2
19844,56125,3000·63621,7500·534,655760·2
19854,51126,1000·63617000·234,4011380·4
19864,43927,1000·63567400·234,032770·2
1 From 1983 including dwellings closed for slum clearance.
2 Excluding GLC housing for which no return received.

Merseyside Development Corporation

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many units of accommodation will be available for sale or rent within the dockland area of the Merseyside Development Corporation.

Over the next five years about 430 houses and approximately 210 flats will be built in Merseyside Development Corporation's designated area. Of these, 130 houses will be available for rent.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when the luxury apartments in the Albert dock complex on Merseyside will be available for sale or rent.

Arrowcroft Ltd. is engaged in discussions with Merseyside Development Corporation on the design of flat units within the Albert dock complex. It is intended to provide over 100 units for sale. No time scale for their construction has yet been decided.

Portsmouth (Housing)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) what was the content of the telephone call

Owner-occupiers buying with mortgage loans: England

mid-year

millions

19795·3
19805·4
19815·5
19825·7
19836·1
19846·5

Council Housing

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many council houses were empty for more than a year (a) nationally, (b) in the east midlands and (c) in Leicester in each of the past seven years, giving the same areas, the total numbers of council housing stock and the relevant percentages; and if he will make a statement.

The figures are derived from local authorities' annual housing investment programme returns.between his Department and an officer of Portsmouth city council concerning the Portsdown Park housing estate on 3 March;(2) if he will make available copies of all the correspondence and details of any other contacts between his Department and Portsmouth city council with regard to the city's plan to refurbish the Portsdown Park estate which took place between the original submission of the Barratt's bid and the final decision; and if he will make a statement.

Grant-Related Expenditure

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will rank in descending order, using their 1986–87 budgets, all English local authorities on the basis of the percentage above or below their grant-related expenditure assessments for 1986–87.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will publish the shares of total grant related expenditure given to (a) London, (b) the metropolitan areas and (c) non-metropolitan areas in each year from 1981–82 to 1987–88 (provisional), taking account of all changes in definition and service transfers from year to year.

Following are the figures requested:

LondonMetropolitan AreasNon-Metropolitan Areas
1981–82118·725·256·1
1982–83119·025·056·0
1983–84119·025·156·0
1984–85118·725·056·3
1985–8618·625·356·1
1986–8718·925·555·6
1987–88219·025·555·5
1 Prior to 1985–86 GLC received GRE in respect of public passenger transport: in later years responsibility for public passenger transport has resided with London Regional Transport. The GLC GRE for public passenger transport represented no more than about 0–1 per cent. of total GRE in any year.
2 Provisional.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will arrange for the publication of the technical handbook on grant-related expenditure for 1987–88.

We aim to publish the technical handbook on grant-related expenditure for 1987–88 within two months of laying the 1987–88 RSG settlement report before the House. This will be some two to three months earlier than in previous years.

House Condition Survey

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment, how properties have been selected for inclusion in the current house condition survey being undertaken by his Department.

The 1986 English house condition survey, which is currently in progress, consists of a sample of 30,700 dwellings distributed across England. The sample was chosen to include all 8,200 addresses surveyed in the 1981 EHCS. Subject to certain technical adjustments to take account of regional differences in dwelling age and tenure, the remaining addresses were selected at random from the Post Code Address File.

Uk 2000

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will make a statement on the progress of UK 2000, listing the membership of the board and those businesses which have agreed to sponsor schemes.

Since the launch of UK 2000 on 14 July the board has concentrated on helping the voluntary organisations to develop projects, on seeking sponsorship, and on setting up detailed administrative arrangements. Criteria for UK 2000 projects have been defined and steps have been taken to encourage projects from other organisations not represented on the board. The target for the board to fill 5,000 Manpower Services Commission community programme places by April 1987 remains unchanged.The names of the members of the UK 2000 board are listed in the table.I understand that several voluntary organisations have themselves attracted sponsorship for projects; details of these agreements will be available soon. The UK 2000 central unit is separately negotiating with some 35 organisations which have expressed interest in sponsoring aspects of UK 2000, but these discussions are not yet complete.UK 2000 Board Members

Richard Branson1, (Chairman) Virgin Group;
Ernest Hall1, Halifax;
Jean Denton1, Rover Group;
Stephen O'Brien1, Business in the Community;
John Pontin1, Bristol;
Ian Branton representing the British Trust for Conservation Volunteers;
Brian Lymbery representing the Civic Trust;
Elizabeth Hoodless representing Community Service Volunteers;
Jonathan Porritt representing Friends of the Earth;
John Davidson representing the Groundwork Foundation;
Ian Eldridge representing the Keep Britain Tidy Group;
Franklyn Perrin representing the Royal Society for Nature Conservation.
1 Serves in a personal capacity.
Officials of the Department of the Environment and of the Manpower Services Commission attend board meetings as assessors.

Local Government Reform

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he is able to give details of savings that have arisen from the abolition of the Greater London council and the six metropolitan county councils.

I refer the hon. Member to the reply given by my hon. Friend the Member for Surbiton (Mr. Tracey) on 22 May 1986, at columns 295–96. I cannot yet add substantively to that reply. Further information on manpower levels and redundancies is currently being received and analysed. I hope to make a further statement in due course.

Rates

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will publish the average unrebated domestic rate bill paid in each year since 1966 by householders in England.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will list the amount of rate support grant paid to each local authority in each of the years from 1978–79 to 1986–87 expressed in constant 1986–87 prices.

Tables of rate support grant paid to local authorities since 1974–75 were placed in the House of Commons Library on 6 March. These figures can be converted into real terms at 1986–87 prices by multiplying the figure for each year by a factor which takes account of inflation based on the GDP deflator as in the following table:

Factors for converting rate support grant in cash terms to real terms at 1986–87 prices
YearFactor
1978–791·957
1979–801·675
1980–811·412
1981–821·285
1982–831·198

Year

Factor

1983–841·147
1984–851·100
1985–861·037
1986–871·000

Notes:

The grant figures for 1974–75 to 1980–81 are not comparable with those for 1981–82 to 1986–87 because:

i. They comprise the needs, resources and domestic elements whereas from 1981–82 onwards the figures comprise block grant and domestic rate relief grant;

ii. Grant in support of services provided by metropolitan county councils was paid to the districts up to 1980–81 and to the counties thereafter.

The grant figures in the tables for London and metropolitan areas for 1981–82 to 1985–86 are not comparable with those for 1986–87 because of the abolition of the GLC and metropolitan county councils on 31 March 1986.

All figures in the grant tables are in cash terms. Those for 1981–82 and earlier years are final entitlements.

Water authority average household hills and annual percentage increases 1978–79—1986–87

Water Authority

1978–79

1979–80

Per cent.

1980–81

Per cent.

1981–82

Per cent.

1982–83

Per cent.

1983–84

Per cent.

1984–85

Per cent.

1985–86

Per cent.

1986–87

Per cent.

Increase 1986–87 over 1978–79

£.p

£.p

£.p

£.p

£.p

£.p

£.p

£.p

£.p

Combined all services
North West34·6237·909·546·8023·554·6916·959·869·763·165·568·258·177·5713·785·199·8146·1
Northumbrian32·0633·945·941·9523·649·1917·356·8616·064·5213·575·2216·680·386·984·344·9163·1
Severn Trent35·9540·5112·748·9920·956·7815·962·447·464·633·567·885·076·1612·283·559·7132·4
Yorkshire35·6039·3610·649·0424·657·2116·765·3014·168·785·372·645·682·3013·390·9610·5155·5
Anglian45·0248·838·563·0129·075·0819·282·6611·987·806·293·967·0105·9812·8116·6910·1159·2
Thames34·6638·6211·447·8223·854·4713·960·7713·566·749·873·417·680·7510·083·092·9139·7
Southern42·2043·803·856·6029·267·0018·474·4011·078·365·382·305·091·7211·499·588·6136·0
Wessex47·2757·2221·065·4414·472·8711·478·497·581·563·985·594·995·3511·4107·0912·3126·5
South West49·6854·579·866·7222·375·2212·781·248·687·968·393·486·3104·5911·9110·906·0123·2
English Averages37·5041·4710·651·3723·959·4715·866·0111·070·927·475·736·884·5611·791·257·9143·3

Derelict Land Clearance

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he hopes to announce his decision relating to the application by the Caradon district council for a derelict land clearance grant in respect of the site formerly occupied by HMS Fisgard, Torpoint; and if he will make a statement.

The Caradon district council's application for derelict land grant is under consideration by my Department along with many such applications from other authorities, both in the south-west region and nationally. A decision on whether funds can be made available in 1987–88 for the proposal will be made early in 1987.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what was the average gross weekly rent for all local authority tenants in England in April 1979 and each subsequent year to 1986; and what proportion of average weekly earnings these gross weekly rent payments represent in each of those years.

Domestic rate relief grant figures for 1983–84 and 1984–85 are final entitlements; those for 1985–86 and 1986–87 are first estimates. Block grant figures for 1983–84 and 1984–85 are entitlements after holdback based upon provisional outturn expenditure; those for 1985–86 are entitlements after holdback based on budgets; those for 1986–87 are entitlements based on initial claims.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will publish figures showing (a) the percentage increase in domestic water rates for each year since 1978–79 for each English regional water authority and the overall average, (b) the cumulative percentage increase since 1978–79 on the same basis and (c) the average domestic water rates bill per household for each year since 1978–79 for each water authority and the overall average.

The information requested is shown in the table. The average household bills are taken from charges returns made annually to DOE.

Average Weekly Unrebated Rents Local Authority Tenants England
Rent £ per weekAs per cent. of average male adult earnings1
April
19796·416·3
19807·706·2
198111·428·1
198213·488·7
198313·978·5
198414·668·2
198515·548·1
198616·36n/a
1 Men aged 21 and over working full time in all occupations

Sources: CIPFA and Department of Employment

n/a = not available

Local Government Expenditure

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will publish for each authority selected for rate limitation in 1986–87 the percentage increase or decrease in its 1986–87 budgeted total expenditure compared with its original 1985–86 budget.

The information is as follows:

Per cent.
Basildon+24·1
Camden1+25·2
Greenwich1+63·9
Hackney1+40·5
Haringey1+22·9
Islington1+23·8
Lambeth1+34·8
Lewisham1+39·5
Liverpool1+12·7
Newcastle1+21·3
Southwark1+25·6
Thamesdown+4·6
1 Figures for these authorities for 1985–86 and 1986–87 are not directly comparable, because of the effects of costs included in 1986–87 budgets in respect of services inherited on abolition of the Greater London council or the metropolitan county councils.

Housing Finance

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will list the housing subsidy paid to each London borough, metropolitan district and non-metropolitan district in each of the years from 1978–79 to 1986–87, expressed in constant 1986–87 prices.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will list the housing investment programme allocations made to each London borough, metropolitan district and non-metropolitan district in each of the years from 1978–79 to 1986–87, expressed in constant 1986–87 prices.

Lists of the housing investment programme allocations for all housing authorities in England are placed in the House of Commons Library each year. A list of these allocations for the years 1978–79 to 1986–87, adjusted to 1986–87 prices, will be placed in the Library as soon as possible. It should of course be noted that the level of allocations to authorities does not correspond to the level of housing capital expenditure by those authorities in those years, because of the growth of expenditure financed by other means, principally from capital receipts.

Local Authorities (Capital Receipts)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will place in the Library details of accumulated capital receipts for 1985–86 in a similar manner to those given for 1984–85 on 16 July, Official Report, columns 544–45.

Returns from local authorities are currently being received and analysed. As soon as the information is reasonably complete, I will place details in the Library on the same basis as before.

Cement Industry

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will make a statement on the present condition of the domestic cement industry.

The United Kingdom industry can meet domestic demand both in quantity and quality. Capacity in 1985 was 15·8 million tons, with usage running at 84 per cent. The quality of the ordinary Portland cement produced is higher than BS12. It is well able to compete with unsubsidised imports from the European Community.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what was the turnover of the domestic cement industry and its total profits or losses in each year since 1980.

The information for the United Kingdom is given in the following table. The profit figures are pre-tax and interest deductions.

£ million
TurnoverProfit
££
198053755
198152641
198259055
198361655
198463237
198563923

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will estimate the quantity and value of cement used in Britain annually and the respective percentages supplied by the domestic cement industry.

The figures are as follows:

Total ConsumptionDomestic Share per cent.
Volume Metric tonesValueVolume Metric tonesValue
£ million£million
198014·25379999
198112·35409899
198213·06049898
198313·56319798
198413·86439697
198513·86629696

Prime Minister

Mr Bernard Ingham

Q57.

asked the Prime Minister if she will dismiss Mr. Bernard Ingham, in the light of the fourth report from the Defence Committee on Westlands.

Eec Budget

asked the Prime Minister, pursuant to her reply of 26 March, Official Report, column 493, if it remains Her Majesty's Government's policy to oppose the inclusion in EEC budgets of special extra provisions for the cost of the past problems; and if she will make a statement.

Yes. The Government will continue to argue against special extra provision in the EC budget for the so-called cost of the past problem. The Government voted in favour of the Council's draft budget for 1987, which respects the budget discipline limits.

Dr Kurt Waldheim

asked the Prime Minister if she will now make a further statement on progress being made with the investigation of Ministry of Defence records regarding the alleged involvement of Dr. Kurt Waldheim of German Army Group E in the interrogation and subsequent deaths of British prisoners of war during world war 2.

In May hon. Members sent to me and to the Leader of the House the names of eight service men believed to have been taken prisoner in Greece by German Army Group E during world war 2. On 9 June the hon. and learned Member for Leicester, West (Mr. Janner) sent four further names to the Secretary of State for Defence. The Ministry of Defence has undertaken a thorough and painstaking search of military records for information relevant to Dr. Waldheim's involvement in the fate of these men. The search relating to the first group of eight service men has been completed. Of these, two are known to have survived the war; one died of wounds; and the fate of the rest cannot be precisely established. The search relating to the second group of four service men is continuing. The search of records so far completed has revealed no evidence of criminal activity on the part of Dr. Waldheim.

Engagements

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Thursday 23 October.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Thursday 23 October.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Thursday 23 October.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Thursday 23 October.

asked the Prime Minister if she will list her official engagements for Thursday 23 October.

This morning I presided at a meeting of the Cabinet and had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others. In addition to my duties in this House I shall he having further meetings later today. Following Questions in the House I shall be going to sign the book of condolence opened for President Machel of Mozambique.

Trade And Industry

Post Office

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry when the Monopolies and Mergers Commission report on the procurement activities of the Post Office will be published.

The report is published today.The Commission was asked to investigate the efficiency and cost of the way goods and services are purchased by and distributed within the Post Office, whether the efficiency of these procurement activities, costing some £380 million in 1985, could be improved and whether they had improved since the telecommunications business was separated from the Post Office in 1981. In its report the commission has taken account of the effect on the arrangements for procurement of a major structural reorganisation, announced by the Post Office during the commission's inquiry, which establishes separate letters, parcels and counters businesses.The commission found that since 1981 purchasing standards in the Post Office had been improved substantially and in general had secured value for money, but it recommends a number of ways in which purchasing, stock management and distribution and staffing practices should be further improved.The commission found that the Post Office largely shared its views on actions to be taken to improve the efficiency of procurement activities and is already putting in hand many of the necessary changes, although progress has in some cases been relatively slow. It did not find that the Post Office was pursuing a course of conduct which operates against the public interest.The commission considers it essential that goods purchased centrally should be offered to users in the separate businesses at prices which take account of all the costs of procurement (including distribution) so that they may be compared with the cost of direct purchasing by the businesses. It considers that where the businesses' own choice would be direct procurement this should be refused only when there is a clear advantage to the Post Office as a whole.Among its more detailed findings the commission sees the development of management information arid accounting systems as important, in particular, in determining the charges to users for goods and services and in the improvement of demand forecasting and stock management. It recommends careful control of current computer systems development to assure achievement of these objectives.The commission makes several recommendations aimed at correcting shortcomings found in stock management. It recommends a reduction in stocks (excluding strategic stocks) to an average by value level of three months by not later than August 1987 and that consideration be given to whether there is scope for further reduction to two months. It recommends a review to determine whether any of the goods stocked would be better supplied directly from the manufacturers to the users under centrally negotiated contracts.The commission recommends specific measures to improve procurement in particular areas of goods and services which it had considered in detail, including stamps, vehicles, uniforms, advertising and building and engineering maintenance.The commission was concerned to discover that in the regions the Post Office had, until very recently, no method of assessing the effectiveness of expenditure of £80 million per annum on goods and services and maintained no central record of regional stocks, the number of stores or the number of staff employed in them. The commission considers that the recent appointment of regional purchasing and supply officers should improve purchasing in the regions. It recommends closer control of local stores by the new businesses, and that each should he obliged to account for its stocks and review stockholdings.The commission makes recommendations relating to the staffing of procurement activities, including the measurement and monitoring of work loads, regular external reviews of staff levels, local productivity schemes, closer budgeting and reduction of overtime. It found that the pay rates of storekeepers, which were under review when the commission completed its work, are much higher in the Post Office than elsewhere and recommends that they should be brought into line with remuneration for comparable work in other organisations.The Post Office will he producing written responses to the commission's findings and I shall report on those statements at the appropriate time.

South Africa

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what agreements are currently in force relating to South African commodities entering (a) the United Kingdom and (b) the EEC; what quotas are currently in operation on those commodities; and of which of these commodities there is a surplus within the Community.

There are no agreements relating to imports of South African commodities into the United Kingdom and the EEC; no quotas are in operation; and there are no imports of commodities known to be in surplus in the Community.

Liverpool (Ministerial Visit)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will make a statement on the recent visit to Liverpool by the Minister for Information Technology, the hon. Member for Chertsey and Walton (Mr. Pattie).

I visited Liverpool on 14 October 1986.In the morning I opened new premises of a design and management company in Cheshire and on arrival in Liverpool I visited the Wavertree technology park, where I met representatives of two companies sited on the park. I addressed a lunchtime meeting of the University of Liverpool Conservative Association and in the afternoon visited a computer service company in Liverpool.In the evening I attended a dinner with representatives from local industry and commerce.

Employment Assumptions

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will make a statement on the assumptions regarding employment and related prospects for the regions in the United Kingdom contained in his Department's report to the European Commission of Government assumptions about employment and industry up to 1990.

In the opinion of the Government it is not sensible or practicable to make forecasts of national unemployment for several years ahead. However, in order to comply with the rules of the European regional development fund, it was necessary to submit a report on the United Kingdom's regional development programme 1986–90. This has been submitted but not yet considered by the European Community Regional Policy Committee or the Commission. As part of the requirement the report contains assumptions about the number of unemployed claimants in each region of the United Kingdom in 1990. These used the national unemployment assumption from the 1986 public expenditure White Paper (Cmnd. 9207), covering the period 1986–87 to 1988–89. The 1990 figure was derived by repeating the assumption for 1988–89 a further year. The national assumption was allocated to regions in proportion to 1985 regional unemployment, to reach regional assumptions. No specific assumption about industry was made, but in some cases the document refers to possible trends.

Cement (Imports)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will list the quantities of cement imported into Britain from each European Economic country in 1985 and to date in 1986.

The information is as follows:

United Kingdom imports of cement from EC member states
Quantity: thousand metric tonnes
19851986 January to August
Federal Republic of Germany72·538·6
France40·045·3
Italy0·2
Netherlands110·563·9
Belgium/Luxembourg4·44·3
Irish Republic211·379·6
Denmark1·94·3
Greece18·0
Spain44·232·5
Portugal0·0

Source: Country of origin data corresponding to SITC/R2 subgroup 661.2 in the United Kingdom Overseas Trade Statistics.

Notes:

(i) All figures are provisional.

(ii) — no trade.

0·0 negligible trade.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what representations he has received concerning the dumping of Greek cement in Britain; and if he will make a statement.

I have received numerous representations from the British cement industry and from consumer interests about the possible imports of cement from Greece. I have taken up these representations and refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Beverley (Sir P. Wall) on 21 October 1986, at column 780.

Company Liquidations

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will list for each year from 1979 to 1983 the percentage of businesses established in each year by young people aged 16 to 25 years which have gone into liquidation within a three-year period.

Council Of Industry Ministers

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will make a statement on the progress made at the recent European Community Council of Industry Ministers.

The Industry Council met under my chairmanship on 20 October. The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Industry represented the United Kingdom.The Council adopted a resolution approving the broad strategy of the Commission's action programme for small and medium-sized enterprises, and also a statement on deregulation which welcomed the Commission's new procedure — involving its task force on SMEs — for assessing the compliance costs that Commission proposals will have on business.I secured the unanimous support of the Council for a resolution welcoming the Commission's determination to apply strictly the code on state aids to the steel industry and to ensure that none of its provisions are undermined. The Council had initial discussion of the Commission's proposals to free certain steel products from the production quota system, during which there was general agreement that the process of liberalisation should continue. I noted that majorities appeared to exist for the liberalisation of category Ic (galvanised sheet) from quota, and for the removal of Commission powers in connection with divergences from traditional intra-Community trade flows in steel products on the understanding that Commission surveillance would continue. I postponed final decisions on these and the other detailed Commission proposals until the next Industry Council on 18 November, for which the Commission had agreed to prepare a preliminary analysis of Eurofer's important recent initiative on steel restructuring.The Council discussed the Commission's proposal for a sixth Council directive on aid to shipbuilding to replace the existing directive, which expires on 31 December 1986. There was broad agreement on the Commission's approach that a common ceiling should be set on direct and indirect aids benefiting ship production and that there should be separate provision for aids for restructuring. I concluded that the necessary preparations should be made to enable the Council to have decisive negotiations on the directive at the next Industry Council.The Council also noted the Commission's intentions to bring forward proposals to help restructure Portuguese industry.

Employment

Enterprise Allowance Scheme

asked the Paymaster General what percentage of businesses using the enterprise allowance scheme in the Northern region have ceased to trade (a) within one year of the commencement of their business and (b) between one and two years from the commencement of their business.

The percentages are:

  • (a) 13·4 per cent. of those people who joined the scheme in August 1985 had ceased their trading in their EAS business before the end of their year on the allowance (August 1986);
  • (b) information is not available for the period requested. Completed surveys are on a national basis but a current survey will provide a regional breakdown and results will be available in spring 1987. However, the latest survey results show that of 44 people surveyed in the Northern region who joined the scheme between I March and 30 April 1984 and completed a year in the scheme six had ceased to trade six months after the allowance had stopped. The survey report will be published in November and a copy will be placed in the Library.
  • asked the Paymaster General what percentage of businesses nationally which used the enterprise allowance scheme in its first year of operation. August 1983–84, were still trading in August 1985.

    Information is not available for the period requested. However, the latest survey evidence shows that 76 per cent. of participants who joined the schemes between 1 March and 30 April 1984 and completed a year on the scheme were still trading six months after the allowance had stopped. The survey report will be published in November and a copy will be placed in the Library.

    asked the Paymaster General what percentage of businesses in the Northern region, set up by the 18 to 25 years age group, and which used the enterprise allowance scheme during its first year of operation. August 1983–84, were still trading in August 1986.

    This information is not available. Existing survey results are based on a sample of only six people in this age group in the Northern region and no valid conclusion can be based on such a small sample. A survey presently being conducted on those who set up in business 18 months ago will he based on a larger sample. The results of this survey will be available by March 1987.

    asked the Paymaster General what percentage of businesses in the Northern region which used the enterprise allowance scheme during its first year of operation, August 1983–84, were still trading in August 1986.

    Information is not available for the period requested. Completed surveys provide evidence of survival rates nationally; a current survey will provide a regional breakdown and results will be published in spring 1987. However, the latest survey reports show that of the 44 people surveyed in the Northern region who joined the scheme between 1 March and 30 April 1984 and completed a year on the scheme 30 were still trading six months after the allowance had stopped. A copy of the report to be published in November will be placed in the Library.

    asked the Paymaster General what percentage of businesses using the enterprise allowance scheme nationally have ceased to trade (a) within one year of the commencement of their business and (b) between one and two years from the commencement of their business.

    The percentages are:

  • (a) 11·5 per cent. of those people who joined the scheme in August 1985 had ceased trading in their EAS business before the end of their year on the allowance (August 1986).
  • (b) Information is not available for the period requested. However, the latest survey results show that of the 781 people surveyed who joined the scheme between 1 March and 30 April 1984 and completed a year on the scheme 188 (24 per cent.) had ceased to trade six months after the allowance had stopped.
  • asked the Paymaster General what percentage of businesses nationally which were established by the 18 to 25 years age group, and which used the enterprise allowance scheme during its first year of operation, August 1983–84, were still trading in August 1986.

    Information is not available for the period requested. However, the latest survey results show that of the 86 people between the ages of 18 arid 24 surveyed who joined the scheme between 1 March and 30 April 1984 and completed a year on the scheme 59 were still trading six months after the allowance had stopped. The survey report will be published in November and will be placed in the Library.

    Long-Term Unemployed Persons

    asked the Paymaster General if a person refusing to attend an interview for a place on the proposed six-month training course for the long-term unemployed under 25 years of age will be liable for benefit sanctions.

    The purpose of the new job training scheme is to help participants to acquire skills to compete on equal terms for the increasing number of job vacancies. Participation in the scheme will be voluntary and no benefit sanctions will be applied to people not wishing to take part.This training scheme is only one of the range of opportunities which may be offered in the pilot areas at an interview under the restart scheme. People who fail to respond to a request to attend an interview at a jobcentre without good reason are under social security legislation liable to benefit sanctions.

    asked the Paymaster General (1) how many persons are presently eligible for the proposed six-month training course for the long-term unemployed under 25 years;(2) in the case of the proposed six-month training course for the long-term unemployed under 25 years

    (a) how many places there will be on an annual basis, (b) how it will be funded, (c) who will provide training and (d) what qualifications it will lead to;

    (3) if an element of work experience will be included in the proposed six-month training course for the long-term unemployed under 25 years.

    Job training scheme pilot programmes will be open to adults unemployed for six months or more in the pilot areas. Some 50,000 people were in this category at the latest count.The Manpower Services Commission is currently discussing the scale and nature of provision within the pilots with potential managing agents and I shall write to the hon. Member with further details when these are available. The costs of the pilots will be met from within the adult training budget.

    asked the Paymaster General if he will provide an update of the statistics published in July in the Official Report concerning the destinations of the long-term unemployed interviewed to date under the national restart programme.

    asked the Paymaster General how many persons have ceased to claim benefits as a result of being interviewed or after being called to interview under the national restart scheme.

    The information is not available in the precise form asked for, but as at 11 September 1986 the number of people who had left the unemployed count (most of whom would have been receiving benefit) following invitation to a restart counselling interview or attendance at such an interview was 54,367.

    asked the Paymaster General if a person completing a course relating to the restart programme and failing to find full-time employment will remain classified as long-term unemployed for statistical and benefit purposes.

    People attending a restart course continue during their participation to claim and receive unemployment benefits to which they are entitled. Consequently there is no change to their classification statistically or for benefit purposes.

    Labour Statistics

    asked the Paymaster General what was the number of long-term unemployed 12 months ago, six months ago and at the latest available date.

    The following information is in the Library. The table shows the number of claimants who had been unemployed for over a year in Great Britain (excluding Northern Ireland) 12 months ago, six months ago, and at 10 July 1986, the latest date for which an analysis of unemployment by duration is available.

    Unemployed claimants
    Number
    10 October 19851,292,777
    10 April 19861.295,641
    10 July 19861,285,366
    This comparison is affected by the change in the timing of the compilation of the unemployment count in February 1986.

    Overseas Development

    Overseas Aid

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if Her Majesty's Government have any plans to increase their programme of overseas aid for the financial year 1987–88; and if he will make a statement.

    The planned aid budget for 1987–88, contained in the 1986 public expenditure White Paper (Cmnd. 9702), is £1,230 million, an increase of £43 million or 3·6 per cent. over the aid budget for 1986–87. The outcome of this year's public expenditure survey will be published in the Government's 1987 public expenditure White Paper.

    Bophuthatswana

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what funding out of the Overseas Development Agency budget, and for what projects, has been given to Bophuthatswana.

    Education And Science

    Student Grants

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will publish a table in the Official Report showing the value of the student grant inside and outside London at outturn and at constant prices together with its real value, indexed using 100 as a base, when compared with the rise in retail prices, average earnings, rents and books for (a) each year since 1962 and (b) each year since 1979; and if he will show the total value of students' grants expressed as a proportion of the gross domestic product for each year.

    The information is as follows:

    "Elsewhere" rate of grant £Real value in percentage terms (September 1962 and 1979=100 respectively)deflated by increases in —London rate of grant (£)Real value in percentage terms (September 1962 and 1979=100 respectively) of the gram deflated by increases in —Total cost maintenance as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product (GOP)
    (a) Retail prices(b) Average earnings(c) Rents(d) Book prices3(a) Retail prices(b) Average earnings(c) Rents(d) Book prices3
    1962–633201001001001003301001001001000·08
    1963–6432098939596330989395960·09
    1964–6532094869192330948691920·10
    1965–66340958691923701019096970·12
    1966–6734092808689370978591940·12
    1967–6834091787982370968284870·13
    1968–6936091768182395978186870·14
    1969–7036086717677395927580820·17
    1970–7138085667475420917179800·17
    1971–7243088677774465927181770·17
    1972–7344585627171480886574750·15
    1973–7448585597171520886173740·14
    1974–7560590628369665966689740·15
    1975–7674087608971810926395750·16
    1976–7787590629172955956597770·17
    1977–781,010906695691,1459973104760·18
    1978–791,100916394691,31510573109800·18
    1979–801,24588100621009210067001,48510210071100106100781000·18
    1980–811,43088995894818865971,695101996793938775960·19
    1981–821,53584965691697562921,82597956490807571920·19
    1982–831,59582935387667255821,90094926287777264820·19
    1983–841,66081925183657148721,97593915983757156720·19
    1984–851,77583945284657147702,10095936084757153690·17
    1985–861,83080915283636943652,1659290598372685064not yet available
    1986–871,9018192not yet available646943652,2469391not yet available74695064not yet available
    Adjusted2
    1984–8580905081636945669290588173685267
    1985–8677885080616642628988578070664862
    1986–877889not yet available616742629088not yet available71664862
    1Cost of maintenance on teacher training is included from 1969–70 onwards.
    2The indices include adjustments to allow for change in the provision of students' travel costs.
    3Revised estimates

    Reyes Syndrome

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether the Medical Research Council is supporting research into Reyes syndrome or has any plans to do so.

    I refer the right hon. Member to my reply to him of 13 June, at column 318. The MRC is always willing to consider soundly based research proposals for support through its grants schemes in competition with other applications.

    Callington Primary School

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the normal period of time between an inspection by Her Majesty's inspectors of a primary school and their published report; and if he is now able to publish Her Majesty's inspector's report on Callington primary school following the inspection visit in July 1985.

    I am pleased to tell my hon. Friend that the report by Her Majesty's inspectors on Callington primary school was issued on 8 October 1986 and was published on 22 October 1986.As to the wider issues he raises, since 1 January 1983 there have been a total of 700 reports published on schools and colleges on the basis of full inspections, of which 294 related to primary schools. The average time between inspection and publication is nine months. It remains the aim of Her Majesty's Inspectorate that reports should be issued to individual institutions within six months of an inspection. It is working to achieve that time scale.

    However, no institution or governing body has to wait that long to know the findings of the inspections, as Her Majesty's Inspectorate discusses these and other matters with the head and staff during and at the end of each inspection and with the governing bodies shortly after.

    General Certificate Of Secondary Education

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science how the extra £40 million resources for education authorities for books for the general certificate of secondary education has been allocated; and if he will make a statement.

    The Government are supporting £40 million expenditure on books and equipment for the GCSE over three years. £20 million is being made available this year: £15 million is being supported through education support grant and the other £5 million is a grant for the provision of scientific and technological equipment made available by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Employment in conjunction with the Manpower Services Commission. A further £20 million at least is being set aside for books and equipment through education support grant over the next two financial years.To secure an equitable distribution of the amount available through ESG for books and equipment a ceiling on the amount of expenditure has been set for each authority. These allocations have been calculated on the basis of 75 per cent. according to the relevant school population and 25 per cent. according to the number of maintained secondary schools. The £5 million available through the MSC for equipment has been allocated on the basis of 50 per cent. according to relevant school population and 50 per cent. according to the number of maintained secondary schools.

    Scotland

    Health Boards (Administration)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what guidance he has issued to health boards in Scotland about the employment of nursing staff as unit managers in the re-structuring of health board administration; and if he will make a statement.

    Guidance on the implementation of general management in units of the Scottish Health Service was issued by the Scottish Home and Health Department on 25 August 1986 in NHS Circular 1986 (GEN) 20, copies of which are in the Library.Unit general manager posts will be widely advertised by health boards. Competition will be open. There will be no presumption for or against applicants from any particular background. The principal criterion for selection will be management skill and aptitude. The circular contains guidance on appropriate involvement of nursing and other professional staff in support of unit general managers.

    Housing Lists

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will request from all local authorities in Scotland a detailed report of the number of persons on their council's housing list, showing age groups of applicants, length of time on waiting lists; and their plans for reducing such lists.

    Housing plans which the local authorities submit to the Scottish Development Department at regular intervals already include proposals for reducing waiting lists. I do not think that the benefit of requesting further information from local authorities on housing lists would justify the extra burden it would impose on them.

    Pollution

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether, pursuant to his written reply to the hon. Member for Falkirk, West on 24 October 1985, Official Report, column 230, he will now publish the results of the toxicological assessment and the membership of the expert committees and other individual experts consulted on these matters.

    The expert committees concerned have not yet completed their work. I shall send the hon. Member a list of the members of these committees, and am placing a copy of the list in the Library.

    Local Authorities (Environmental Duties)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) whether he will make available additional funding to local authorities to enable them to carry out the adequate sampling and testing of milk;(2) whether he will ascertain from the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities whether Scottish local authorities require additional finance to carry out their environmental duties.

    Provision has been made for local authority current expenditure for 1987–88 at 3·75 per cent. over budgets for the present year, and guidelines have been increased by an average of 9·2 per cent. over their previous level. Local authorities should therefore have adequate resources to carry out all their duties. If the hon. Member has a particular problem in mind he may care to write to me.

    Housing Support Grant

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will express the housing support grant awarded to Dundee district council at constant prices in each year since 1980.

    The information is given in the table below:

    Housing support grant paid
    YearAt outturn pricesAt 1985–86 average prices1
    ££
    1980–818,602,01711,704,380
    1981–825,285,8796,546,629
    1982–831,820,1682,102,272
    1983–84
    1984–85
    1985–86
    1 Using GDP deflators.

    Education (Expenditure)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what has been the total expenditure of Tayside region on education at constant prices in each year since 1982.

    The total gross expenditure of Tayside region on education in each year since 1981–82, expressed in constant prices, is as follows:

    YearExpenditure1£ million
    1981–82105·387
    1982–83104·842
    1983–84106·167
    1984–85106·530
    1 At November 1984 prices.
    Information on 1985–86 actual expenditure is not yet available.

    Tayside Regional Council (Talks)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will make a statement on his discussions with the convenor of Tayside regional council, Mr. John McAllion, during his visit to Dundee and Tayside on 17 October.

    I had a most useful meeting with Convenor McAllion during my visit to Tayside regional council on 17 October. Our discussion ranged over a number of items of local and national interest including textile imports, North sea oil, the region's capital expenditure plans and the Dundee waterfront project.

    Hip Replacement

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what is the average waiting time for a hip replacement operation for the elderly in Dundee, Tayside health board and Scotland overall; and what were the corresponding figures two years previously.

    The latest information centrally available on patients admitted, treated and discharged relates to 1984. The industrial action in 1982 make 1981 figures the most appropriate comparison.

    Mean waiting times (in days) for total hip replacements
    Males 65+Females 65+Both Sexes 65+
    1984
    Dundee186286246
    Tayside172220203
    Scotland204199201
    1981
    Dundee144228207
    Tayside231286265
    Scotland215213214

    Health Council (Dundee)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what study he has made of the annual report of Dundee local health council, with particular reference to the renal unit at Dundee royal infirmary, orthopaedic waiting lists and the knock-on effect of geriatric bed provision; and if he will provide Tayside health board with additional funds to assist with these problems.

    The matters raised in the annual report of the Dundee local health council are primarily the responsibility of Tayside health board. The board is the second best funded in Scotland in relation to the needs of its area, and it would be unfair to other boards to increase the proportion of available resources allocated to Tayside.

    Rents

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what representations he has received about alleged over-charging by landlords for rooms rented by young persons; and if he will discuss this matter with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities as soon as possible.

    My right hon. and learned Friend has received no representations specifically about alleged overcharging by landlords for rooms rented by young persons. Some representations have, however, been received from local authorities and other bodies about the alleged excessive levels of rent charged by some private sector landlards for poor quality accommodation. If the convention has relevant evidence on any aspect of these matters, my right hon. and learned Friend is prepared to consider it at any time.

    Rent Officers

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will now bring in legislation for the appointment of rent officers in Scotland whose duties would be similar to those operating in England at present.

    It is not evident that such legislation is required since for all practical purposes the duties of a rent officer in Scotland and in England and Wales are identical, that is, to determine and register fair rents.

    Urban Aid

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the number of urban aid projects reaching the expiry of their funding during the current financial year 1986–87; and if he will permit, without ratecapping penalties, the inclusion of selected projects within the mainstream expenditure of local authorities.

    The funding of about 180 projects assisted under the urban programme expires during 1986–87. Decisions on the future of these projects are for local authorities to take within the resources available to them.

    Rates

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will publish the average unrebated domestic rate bill paid in each year since 1966 by householders in Scotland.

    Estimated average domestic rate bills for Scotland (including water rates) are shown in the table below:

    Local authority financial year£
    1966–67142
    1967–6841
    1968–6943
    1969–7046
    1970–7151
    1971–7263
    1972–7366
    1973–7471
    1974–7583
    1975–762108
    1976–773123
    1977–78139
    1978–79132
    1979–80149
    1980–81199
    1981–82272
    1982–83310
    1983–84310
    1984–85328
    1985–86392
    1986–87417
    1 May to May.
    2 May to March; 10½ months.
    3 April to March.
    Since 1976 these figures have been contained in "Rating Review", regularly issued by the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy. Copies are available in the Library.

    National Finance

    European Monetary System

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will in future seek to require the EEC Commission to make estimates of the effects of EMS realignments on EEC budget costs and an own resources revenue; and if he will make a statement.

    I agree that the Commission should be asked to make such estimates, even though they must be very uncertain.

    Eec (Payments)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what have been the United Kingdom's total net payments to the EEC in each year from 1983.Mr. Brooke The information required is contained in table 3 of the statement on the 1986 Community budget (Cmnd 9907) published in early October. A copy is available in the House of Commons Library.

    Eec (Expenditure)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if the principle that the maximum level of EEC expenditure will be determined at the beginning of the budgetary year is subject to any qualifications about exceptional circumstances; and if he will make a statement.

    I refer the hon. Member to the Council's conclusions on budgetary discipline of December 1984, a copy of which is available in the Library. Article 2 of the conclusions includes provision for the Council to take account of exceptional circumstances when calculating the financial guideline for agriculture.

    Eec Budget

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if the correction formula for United Kingdom budgetary contribution to the EEC, agreed at Fontainebleau, will continue unchanged if the value added tax ceiling is raised to 1·6 per cent.; and if he will make a statement.

    This question is hypothetical. Disregarding that, however, neither the VAT ceiling nor the correction formula for the United Kingdom can be changed without the consent of the Governments and Parliaments of all member states, including the United Kingdom.

    Privatisation

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer, which financial institution advised Her Majesty's Government about the level of the offer price for shares in British Telecom and the Trustee Savings Bank, respectively; and which financial institutions are advising Her Majesty's Government about the level of the offer price for shares in British Gas.

    The Government's advisers on the British Telecom offer for sale were Kleinwort Benson Ltd. and Hoare Govett Ltd. Advice about share pricing was also provided by Philips and Drew. N. M. Rothschild and Sons Ltd. and Cazenove and Co. are acting as the Government's advisers on the forthcoming Offer for Sale of shares in British Gas. The arrangements for the TSB flotation were entirely a matter for the TSB and its own financial advisers.

    Northern Ireland

    Royal Ulster Constabulary

    13.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland whether Mr. Colin Sampson has yet completed his inquiry into matters connected with the Royal Ulster Constabulary; and if he will make a statement.

    I understand that the first part of Mr. Sampson's report was submitted to the Chief Constable of the RUC yesterday. The Director of Public Prosecutions for Northern Ireland also received a copy. I understand that this part of the report covers the incident on 24 November 1982 in which Mr. Michael Tighe was shot dead. I also understand that Mr. Sampson hopes to submit as soon as possible a second part which will address the associated issues connected with all the cases under investigation. As is the usual practice with police reports covering criminal investigations, it will not be published. On the basis of Mr. Sampson's report, along with any comments from the Chief Constable, the Department of Public Prosecutions (Northern Ireland) will decide, in consultation with my right hon. Friend the Attorney-General, what directions to give as to criminal proceedings.An additional section of Mr. Sampson's report will deal with matters concerning the management of the RUC. I propose to make a statement to the House on these aspects at the earliest opportunity. It will, however, be understood that I have no role in the conduct of criminal proceedings, nor would it be appropriate for any comments to be made upon the individual investigations involved until all such proceedings are completed.

    15.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what information he has as to whether the inquiry by Mr. Colin Sampson into allegations against the Royal Ulster Constabulary has yet been completed.

    16.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland when he expects the final version of the report into the Royal Ulster Constabulary being conducted by the chief constable of West Yorkshire to be available.

    I understand that the first volume of Mr. Sampson's report was submitted to the Chief Constable of the RUC yesterday. The Director of Public Prosecutions for Northern Ireland also received a copy.

    Divis Flats

    12.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland when he will make a decision on the recommendations of the Northern Ireland Housing Executive for the demolition of the Divis flats; and if he will make a statement.

    On 13 October I announced that I had accepted the recommendation of the Northern Ireland Housing Executive that its future strategy for dealing with the problems of Divis flats should be one of phased demolition of the remaining Sectra blocks subject to periodic review.

    Small Businesses

    14.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what steps are currently being taken to encourage small businesses in Northern Ireland.

    Support for the establishement and growth of small businesses in Northern Ireland is largely channelled through the Local Enterprise Development Unit, funded by Government. The unit's resources are being strengthened to intensify efforts on stimulating the growth of existing small businesses. Among other Government measures, the enterprise allowance scheme and training facilities also encourage people to set up and develop small businesses.

    Anglo-Irish Agreement

    17.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will make a statement about the operation on the Anglo-Irish Agreement.

    I refer my hon. Friend to a reply I gave earlier to a question by the hon. Member for Rutland and Melton (Mr. Latham).

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland (1) how far the Anglo-Irish Agreement has met the objectives originally set for it and what empirical methods are used to evaluate the progress of the agreement;(2) if he will make a statement on progress achieved by the Anglo-Irish Conference;(3) what improvements the closer co-operation between Her Majesty's Government and the Government of the Republic of Ireland, since the signing of the Anglo-Irish Agreement, has produced in the situation in Northern Ireland, and if he will make a statement.

    [pursuant to his reply, 21 October 1986]: We have made good progress since the Anglo-Irish Agreement came into force. We have laid the basis for improved cross-border security co-ordination in the Conference, and the Conference has reassured nationalists that their interests will be taken into account when the Government make decisions. Unionists should also draw reassurance from the renewed commitment in the agreement by both Governments to the principle of consent.The Government evaluate all their policies, including the Anglo-Irish Agreement, to see whether they have met their objectives. But we have always recognised that the problems which the agreement addresses will not be solved quickly or easily. I am confident that when a final assessment can be made of the agreement its effect will be seen to have been positive.

    Terrorism

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland (1) if anyone has been made amenable for the murder claimed to have been committed by the Irish Republican Army of Robert Bennett in South Tyrone on 7 September 1984; and if he will give details;(2) if anyone has been made amenable for the murder claimed to have been committed by the Irish Republican Army of Malcolm Cullen in South Tyrone on 7 September 1984; and if he will give details;(3) if anyone has been made amenable for the murder claimed to have been committed by the Irish Republican Army of Melvin Simpson in South Tyrone on 8 October 1984; and if he will give details;(4) if any anyone has been made amenable for the murder claimed to have caused the death of Fred Jackson in South Tyrone on 19 October 1984; and if he will give details;

    (5) if anyone has been made amenable for the murder claimed to have been committed by the Irish Republican Army of Peter W. Gallimore in Fermanagh on 19 October 1984; and if he will give details;

    (6) if anyone has been made amenable for the murder claimed to have been committed by the Irish Republican Army of Jimmy Graham in Fermanagh on 1 February 1985; and if he will give details;

    (7) if anyone has been made amenable for the murder claimed to have been committed by the Irish Republican Army of Hugh McCormac in Fermanagh on 3 March 1985; and if he will give details;

    (8) if anyone has been made amendable for the murder claimed to have been committed by the Irish Republican Army of Robert Gilliland in Fermanagh on 21 June 1985; and if he will give details;

    (9) what information he has as to whether anyone has been made amenable for the murder claimed to have been committed by the Irish Republican Army of Seamus McAvoy, a constituent of South Tyrone, shot in the Irish Republic on 20 August 1985; and as to details;

    (10) if anyone has been made amenable for the murder claimed to have been committed by the Irish Republican Army of George Gilliland in South Tyrone on 7 December 1985; and if he will give details;

    (11) if anyone has been made amenable for the murder claimed to have been committed by the Irish Republican Army of William J. Clements in South Tyrone on 7 December 1985; and if he will give details;

    (12) if anyone has been made amenable for the murder claimed to have been committed by the Irish Republican Army of John Early in Fermanagh on 3 February; and if he will give details;

    (13) if anyone has been made amenable for the murder claimed to have been committed by the Irish Republican Army of Derek Breen in Fermanagh on 11 February; and if he will give details;

    (14) if anyone has been made amenable for the murder claimed to have been committed by the Irish Republican Army of John McCabe in Fermanagh on 11 February; and if he will give details;

    (15) if anyone has been made amenable for the murder claimed to have been committed by the Irish Republican Army of David Wilson in South Tyrone on 17 May; and if he will give details.

    Reyes Syndrome

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what study his Department has made of the relative incidence of Reyes syndrome in Northern Ireland compared with England and Wales.

    None. Work on the factors which may be responsible for the varying incidence of Reyes syndrome in different parts of the British Isles is being undertaken by the British paediatric surveillance unit. Provisional figures for the period 1 August 1985 to 31 July 1986 show that the incidence in Northern Ireland has fallen to the same level as in Great Britain.

    Employment (Equal Opportunities)

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what response he has had to the consultative paper "Equal Opportunity in Employment in Northern Ireland: Future Strategy Options", and whether he will make a statement.

    Since the consultative paper was issued as recently as mid-September it is too early to expect considered and formal responses and indeed none have been submitted so far. Interested parties have until 31 March 1987 to submit their views and it would not be appropriate to make a statement until those are received and considered.

    Home Department

    Immigration

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many (1) (a) passengers and (b) visitors

    Admissions of all passengers to the United Kingdom for certain nationalities
    Number
    IndiaPakistanBangladeshGhanaNigeria
    1985
    January14,1006,6201,6002,46016,000
    February12,1005,6701,5402,22010,800
    March15,8007,8201,9302,56012,800
    April20,0009,4202,0702,74015,800
    May29,30010,0002,2402,94014,400
    June31,30013,4002,3503,30017,000
    July28,70016,5003,6004,28023,300
    August25,00014,1003,0704,47027,700
    September24,90011,4003,2403,60024,100
    October19,4008,2602,6903,08019,200
    November14,9006,6801,9603,25018,900
    December16,7007,3001,8603,22020,800
    1986
    January15,7006,7801,8703,04020,500
    February14,2005,7201,6702,51017,100
    March17,1007,6702,0202,49019,000
    April21,4009,2902,1002,78018,600
    May29,80010,1002,5403,00021,100
    Admissions of visitors to the United Kingdom for certain nationalities
    Number
    IndiaPakistanBangladeshGhanaNigeria
    1985
    January6,2803,3204401,3908,860
    February6,4803,2404001,5008,020
    March8,9404,8605401,8809,620
    April12,1006,0306801,81011,200
    May22,4007,0108202,08010,800
    June24,30010,7001,2502,38012,400
    July22,00013,3001,7903,25018,800
    August17,20010,1001,4803,25022,200
    September16,4007,1801,1902,32016,900
    October13,3005,9601,0602,18014,600
    November9,3604,3907002,50014,700
    December10,2004,7807902,41015,700
    1986
    January7,0403,6105201,75012,300
    February8,1503,4004601,74012,600
    March9,3104,8206101,78014,400
    April12,8006,2007401,77013,400
    May21,6007,2801,1802,21015,900

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many passengers from (a) India, (b)

    from (i) India (ii) Pakistan (iii) Bangladesh (iv) Nigeria and (v) Ghana arrived in the United Kingdom in each month since January 1985;

    (2) how many (a) passengers and (b) visitors in total have arrived in the United Kingdom since January.

    The tables give, for citizens of the five countries requested, the latest available monthly figures of (a) total passengers and (b) visitors admitted to the United Kingdom. In the first five months of this year a total of 2·45 million passengers, excluding European Community nationals, were admitted, of whom 1·76 million were visitors. In addition, there were just over 10 million admissions of British citizens and other European Community nationals.

    Pakistan, (c) Bangladesh, (d) Ghana and (e) Nigeria were granted temporary admission in (i) 1985, (ii) the first quarter of the current year, (iii) the second quarter and (iv) up to the latest available date.

    The statistics covering the number of passengers granted temporary admission are not subdivided by nationality.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) how many passengers in total have been granted temporary admission in each quarter of the current year;(2) how many passengers refused entry to the United Kingdom were

    (a) detained, (b) given temporary admission and (c) given temporary admission to hotels in each quarter since January.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many passengers from (a) India, (b) Pakistan. (c) Bangladesh, (d) Ghana and (e) Nigeria failed to leave on the due date following a grant of temporary admission in (i) 1985, (ii) the first quarter of the current year, (iii) the second quarter of the current year, and up to the latest available date.

    GradeNumbersBasic salary scales
    Terminal 3Terminal 4MinimumMaximum
    ££
    Assistant Chief Inspector1114,31819,465
    Inspector4312,97915,182
    Chief Immigration Officer351610,43312,418
    Immigration Officer2281005,60510,188
    In addition, inspectors, chief immigration officers and immigration officers receive London weighting, premium pay for weekend working, overtime and a shift disturbance allowance which ranges from 121/2 per cent. to 161/2 of basic pay.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is the cost per day of holding in detention a passenger refused entry to the United Kingdom.

    I refer the hon. Member to the reply given to a question from the hon. Member for Hammersmith (Mr. Soley) on 22 July 1986, at columns 147–48.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many representations have been made by right hon. and hon. Members to Ministers in his Department about (a) port refusals and (b) other immigration matters in each month since May.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will state the total number of those, respectively, from the Indian subcontinent, Nigeria and Ghana who absconded during 1984, 1985 and during the first six months of 1986 having been given temporary admission, being refused entry into the United Kingdom as visitors; and what is the percentage in each of these three years of absconders amongst those granted temporary admission.

    Figures for the number of passengers who failed to leave on the date due following a grant of temporary admission are not maintained centrally by nationality. Available port records are as follows:

    Heathrow (Terminal 3)Heathrow (Terminal 4)Gatwick
    198519861985198619851986
    India691172631
    Pakistan214142
    Bangladesh100172732
    Ghana2941554
    Nigeria81834

    Notes: Figures for 1986 at Gatwick and terminal 3 are from 1 January to 19 October I986. The figures for terminal 4 are from 12 April, when the terminal opened, to 19 October 1986.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many immigration officers are now in post at (a) terminal 3 and (b) terminal 4 at Heathrow; and what are the grades and salaries of these officers.

    The information is not available in the form requested. I refer the hon. Member to the reply given today to a question from the hon. Member for Battersea (Mr. Dubs).

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many visitors to the United Kingdom who arrived on 11, 12, 13, 14. 15, 16 and 17 October were obliged to wait for more than six hours before being examined by the Immigration Service; and how many who arrived on the corresponding dates in October 1985 were so obliged.

    [pursuant to his reply, 21 October 1986]: I regret that the information requested is not available.

    Remand Prisoners

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many remand prisoners are currently being held in police cells; how many there were in each of the past 12 weeks; and if he will make a statement.

    The number of prisoners held in police cells last Friday1 (17 October) and on the 12 previous Fridays were as follows. Save where indicated, all the prisoners were held in the south-east; the majority would have been untried.

    17 October97
    10 October96
    3 October2188
    26 September105

    19 September82
    12 September84
    5 September61
    29 August89
    22 August73
    15 August197
    8 August150
    1 August204
    25 July214

    1 Figures relate to Thursday night-Friday morning.

    2 Including 91 held in the north-west because of disturbances at Risley remand centre.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is the current nightly cost of keeping a remand prisoner in a police cell; and how this compares with each of the past five years.

    The average cost per prisoner-night of prisoners held in Metropolitan police cells during the financial year ended 31 March 1986, the most recent period for which information is readily available, is estimated at approximately £170. The approximate figure for previous years is as follows:

    £
    1984–85200
    1983–84150
    1982–83100
    No figures have been calculated for 1981–82, during much of which police cells were rarely used. The cost represents actual expenditure by the police in staff, accommodation and services, and is determined by various factors, in particular, the number of prisoners and the number of locations at which they are held.The cost of prisoners held by other police forces vary considerably according to circumstances. Comprehensive figures could be produced only at disproportionate cost.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many persons were remanded in custody in police cells as of (a) 31 July, (b) 31 August and (c) 30 September; and if he will make a statement.

    The number of persons remanded in custody in police cells on the dates requested was as follows:

    MalesYoung offenders (aged 17 to 21)FemalesTotal
    31 July 19861241862204
    31 August 198637193591
    30 September 1986532355131

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what representations he has received regarding the remanding in custody of women.

    I have received a number of representations regarding the remanding in custody of women, including reports from the Social Services Committee and the Howard League, and correspondence from Members of Parliament and the TUC.

    Visas

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many applications for visas had been received at each post in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan by the latest available date; and how many of these had been (a) granted and (b) refused.

    On 6 October my right hon. Friend announced the introduction of a visa requirement for citizens of Bangladesh, India and Pakistan. Information on the numbers of entry clearance applications other than for settlement received and decided at posts in the Indian subcontinent in the period 6 to 17 October is given in the following table. Information on such entry clearance applications is collected regularly only for calendar months.

    Entry clearance applications other than for settlement, 6 to 17 October 1986
    Indian subcontinentNumber of persons
    PostApplications newly receivedApplications grantedApplications refused initially
    New Delhi1,3901,30010
    Bombay1,5301,470+
    Calcutta300300+
    Madras280270+
    Dhaka20017020
    Islamabad60057020
    Karachi620600+

    Pre-Trial Custody

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what representations he has received regarding the length of time spent by persons in pre-trial custody.

    t refer the hon. Member to the answer given to the hon. Member for Burnley (Mr. Pike) on 23 July 1986, at column 241.

    Ethnic Minorities (Prisoners)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what representations he has received regarding the treatment of persons from the ethnic minorities in prison.

    The Department receives many communications from and on behalf of prisoners relating to aspects of their treatment, and some of these refer to matters of particular concern to the ethnic minorities, for example diet and religious facilities. It would not be practicable to attempt to list such representations separately. We have, in addition, recently received the report of the NACRO race issues advisory committee on black people in the criminal justice system and we are studying its conclusions and recommendations with care.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many persons who were members of the ethnic minorities were refused parole in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) how many (a) non-white and (b) white women were treated for mental illness while remanded in custody in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985;(2) how many

    (a) non-white and (b) white women were treated for mental illness while serving a prison sentence in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985;

    (3) how many (a) non-white and (b) white people were treated for mental illness while remanded in custody in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985;

    (4) how many (a) non-white and (b) white people were treated for mental illness while serving a prison sentence in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985;

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what representations he has received regarding the transfer of prisoners from the ethnic minorities to mental institutions.

    Year198019811982198319841985
    Number of hospital orders following conviction of an offender721716699717778762

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) how many (a) non-white and (b) white people were transferred to mental institutions while remanded in custody in the years from 1980 to 1985;

    Year198019811982198319841985
    Transfer to hospital of persons serving sentences of imprisonment etc. (section 47 of the Mental Health Act 19831)87868592108100
    Transfer to hospital of remand and civil prisoners and persons detained under the Immigration Act 1971 (section 48 of the Mental Health Act 19831)192218234741
    Total106108103115155141
    1 or equivalent under the Mental Health Act 1959.

    Prisoners (Psychiatric Care)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what representations he has received regarding the psychiatric care of female prisoners.

    Various individuals and organisations have expressed views on Holloway prison's CI unit and the Social Services Committee report on the Prison Medical Service has made recommendations about various aspects of the psychiatric care of all prisoners, male and female.

    Metropolitan Police

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) how many police officers transferred from the Metropolitan police to other forces in each of the years 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985;(2) how many police officers transferred to the Metropolitan police from other police forces in England and Wales in the years 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985.

    I understand from the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis that the information on transfers to the Metropolitan police from other forces in England and Wales is not immediately

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many (a) non-white and (b) white people were sent to a mental institution on conviction of an offence in the years from 1980 to 1985.

    The number of hospital orders made by courts following conviction of an offence is given in the table. No information is available as to the ethnic origin of the persons concerned.(2) how many

    (a) non-white and (b) white people were transferred to mental institutions while serving prison sentences in the years 1980 to 1985.

    The number of persons transferred from prison to hospital under mental health legislation is given in the table. No information is available as to ethnic origin.available. But transfers of police officers to and from the Metropolitan police involving other police forces, including Scottish forces and the Royal Ulster Constabulary, for the years 1980 to 1985 are as follows:

    YearTransfers to the Metropolitan policeTransfers from the Metropolitan police
    19808378
    19817338
    198210748
    19835657
    19844485
    198525113

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many officers in the Metropolitan police force of the rank (a) inspector, (b) sergeant arid (c) constable resigned from the Metropolitan police in the years 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985.

    The information is not readily available in the form requested. I shall publish it in the Official Report as soon as possible.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many officers in the Metropolitan police force retired after (a) 25 years' service, (b) 30 years' service and (c) in excess of 30 years' service in each of the years 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985.

    I understand from the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis that the information readily available is as follows:

    Year25 years service26–29 years service30 and over years service
    1980179180187
    1981140131165
    1982109174202
    1983102158226
    198494176310
    198576240364

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is the permitted daily mileage per shift in the Metropolitan police force for (a) road patrol vehicles, (b) station inspectors, (c) crime cars and (d) criminal investigation department vehicles.

    I understand from the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis that, though he has set a limit on total weekly mileage, there are at present no limits on mileage for specific types of vehicle or for shifts.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what representations he has received in respect of the total strength of the Metropolitan police force; and what steps he proposes to take in respect of those representations.

    I have discussed Metropolitan police manpower with the Commissioner on a number of occasions, and I have received representations from right hon. and hon. Members and others. Following a review to assess the manpower needs of the force, I announced on 20 May that it was to receive increases of up to 1,200 in the police establishment and 600 in the civil staff ceiling over the next four years. As the first stage of this programme I have approved increases of 300 in the police establishment and 107 in the civil staff ceiling for 1986–87, in addition to the increase of 50 in the establishment specifically for drugs work which I approved last October, and the increase of 43 in the ceiling approved by my predecessor last year.The Metropolitan police are now recruiting to fill the gap of about 600 between present strength and the increased establishment which I have authorised.

    Prisoners (Assaults)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many (a) non-white and (b) white people were assaulted in prison in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985.

    Information on offences against prison discipline of gross personal violence and of assault punished in prison department establishments is given annually in "Prison Statistics, England and Wales," (tables 9 (g), (h) and (i) of the latest issue, for 1985, Cmnd. 9903) but no analysis by ethnic origin of the victim is available.

    Prisons (Food Poisoning)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many outbreaks of food poisoning there were in British prisons in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985.

    There have been no serious outbreaks of food poisoning in Prison Service establishments in England and Wales in the last six years.Penal establishments in Scotland are the responsibility of my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Scotland.

    Prisons (Kitchens And Food)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) what representations he has received regarding the conditions in prison kitchens;(2) what representations he has received regarding the quality of prison food.

    Since 1 April this year 149 petitions and 19 letters from MPs have been received on the subject of food, together with a number of letters from the general public. Sixty-three petitions and two letters from MPs included reference to quality and eight petitions reference to prison kitchens.

    Prison Doctors

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many doctors specialising in mental illness were employed by the prison service in 1980. 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985 and at the latest date.

    About 40 per cent. of currently serving full-time medical officers have a psychiatric qualification. Corresponding information about part-time medical officers and about full-time medical officers employed in the past is not readily accessible and could be obtained only at disproportionate cost.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many doctors from the ethnic minorities were employed by the prison service in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985 and at latest date.

    Of 91 doctors currently employed as prison medical officers on a full-time basis, 31 are from ethnic minorities. Corresponding information about part-time medical officers and about full-time medical officers employed in the past is not readily accessible and could be obtained only at disproportionate cost.

    Prisons (Fires)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many fires were reported in British prisons in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985.

    The number of fires in England and Wales reported to headquarters in each of the years in question was as follows:

    Number
    1980226
    1981235
    1982260
    1983311
    1984272
    1985262

    Prisoners (Deaths)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many prisoners died while in prison in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985 specifying whether by natural causes or otherwise.

    The information requested for England and Wales is as follows:

    YearTotal number of deathsNumber of deaths from natural causes
    19806533
    19815835
    19826128
    19836433
    19846531
    19855927

    Prisoners (Injuries)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many (a) non-white and (b) white prisoners were admitted to hospital for injuries sustained in prison in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985.

    Prison Medical Facilities

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what representations he has received regarding the standard of prison medical facilities.

    Representations relating to specific aspects of prison medical facilities are received from time to time from hon. Members and other interested individuals and organisations. We have also received the third report of the Social Services Committee (published on 25 June 1986) which contains 58 recommendations based on a wide-ranging inquiry into the Prison Medical Service.

    Prisoners (Racial Attacks)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what representations he has received regarding racial attacks on prisoners.

    JanuaryFebruaryMarchAprilMayJuneJulyAugustSeptember
    Holloway
    Pregnant women experiencing complications necessitating transfer to a general hospital200101200
    Pregnancies ending in death of foetus before full term1211120400
    Pregnant women2352625292924252322
    England
    Pregnancies ending in death of foetus before full term1433340612
    Infant deaths among children delivered during the term of imprisonment000001000
    1These figures are for deaths of foetus by miscarriage, abortion or ectopic pregnancies.
    2Number of women received in Holloway during each month who were known to be pregnant on reception.

    From time to time complaints of assault are made by or on behalf of prisoners in which it is alleged there was a racial element and these are investigated, but no central record is kept. If the hon. Member has a particular case or cases in mind, he may wish to write.

    Prison Discipline (Report)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he expects to announce his detailed response to the recommendations in the "Report of the Committee on the Prison Disciplinary System", Cmnd 9641.

    The Government's proposals are published today in the White Paper, "Prison Disciplinary System in England and Wales", (Cmnd. 9920).

    Women Prisoners (Pregnancy)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) how many women detained in Her Majesty's prison, Holloway experienced complications necessitating transfer to a general hospital during pregnancy in each month of the current year;(2) how many women detained in Her Majesty's prison, Holloway experienced pregnancy which ended in the death of the foetus before full term during each month of the current year;(3) how many women in custody in England experienced pregnancy which ended in the death of the foetus before full term during each month of the current year;(4) if he will state the number of infant deaths occurring among children delivered to women during the term of their imprisonment in England for each month of the current year;(5) how many women were pregnant in Her Majesty's prison, Holloway for each month during the current year.

    [pursuant to his reply, 22 October 1986]: The information required for each month of the current year is as follows:

    Transport

    British Rail

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what subjects were discussed when he last met the chairman of British Rail.

    My right hon. Friend discussed a wide range of matters of current interest with the chairman.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will make a statement on progress on the proposals to improve the passenger rail service on the East coast route.

    My right hon. Friend inspected the East cost main line electrification work on 15 October. Work is slightly ahead of programme and well within budget. The first electric services are due to operate between Hitchin and Huntingdon on 3 November — a full six months ahead of programme. Contracts have been let for some two thirds of the investment, including the new high speed Electra locomotives. Full electric services between London and Leeds are due to start in October 1989 (although trial runs could start as soon as summer 1988) and to Edinburgh in May 1991.

    M25 (Completion)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will make a statement about the completion of the remaining section of the M25 London orbital motorway between the A1 and A41.

    The section from west of the A41 to Bricket Wood opened on 17 October. The final section, up to the A1, will be opened on 29 October.

    Bus Services

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what changes in Sunday bus services he now expects as a result of service tendering pursuant to the Transport Act 1985.

    I understand that the level of Sunday bus services has been broadly maintained, although there are some variations (including improvements) from one part of the country to the other. There have been reductions on some of the least used services where subsidy represented particularly poor value for ratepayers' money, and gave particularly little benefit to travellers; it is one of the advantages of the Transport Act 1985 that it has enabled many local authorities to examine more closely the allocation of bus service subsidies, and to secure maximum value for money.

    North Devon Link Road

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport when he intends to advertise and let contracts for stage 2A and 2B of the north Devon link road together with the Barnstaple by-pass and Barnstaple relief road.

    We expect to invite tenders for stage 2A later this year and to let a contract early in 1987.

    Progress on stage 2B is subject to completion of the remaining statutory procedures necessitated by the modifications agreed to the orders. I will inform my hon. friend as soon as a timetable can be set.

    We expect to invite tenders for Barnstaple by-pass next spring, and to let a contract in the summer.

    The Barnstaple relief road is a responsibility of the Devon county council.

    The Arts

    Tate Gallery Of The North

    asked the Minister for the Arts what is the anticipated date of the opening of the Tate Gallery of the North.

    I understand that the trustees of the Tate Gallery plan to open the Tate in the North in the early summer of 1988.

    Museums And Galleries (Merseyside)

    asked the Minister for the Arts what is the estimate of the budget of national museums and galleries on Merseyside in the financial years 1986–87, 1987–88 and 1988–89.

    The grant-in-aid for the national museums and galleries on Merseyside is £8·745 million for 1986–87. I expect this to be broadly maintained in real terms for the next two years.

    asked the Minister for the Arts (1) if there are any plans to appoint a historian to the board of trustees of the Merseyside Museum of Labour History; and if he will make a statement;(2) if he will list the names and occupations of members of the board of trustees of the Merseyside Museum of Labour History.

    The Merseyside Museum of Labour History is the responsibility of the board of trustees of the national museums and galleries on Merseyside. I listed the present members of the board, and their occupations, in my reply of 21 October to the hon. Member for Liverpool, West Derby (Mr. Wareing). I have no plans at present to make any further appointments to the board.

    asked the Minister for the Arts what representations he has received concerning the future of the present siting of the Merseyside Museum of Labour History.

    The siting of the Merseyside Museum of Labour History is a matter for the trustees of the national museums and galleries on Merseyside. I understand that the trustees are to review certain accommodation questions shortly. I have received no direct representations on the subject, but my hon. Friend the Member for Wirral, West (Mr. Hunt) has drawn to my attention a letter from the Merseyside divisional organiser of the Transport and General Workers Union.

    Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

    Council Of Agriculture Ministers

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will make a statement on the outcome of the latest meeting of the Council of Agriculture Ministers.

    I refer the hon. Member to the press notice issued by my Department on 16 October recording the outcome of the Agriculture Council on 13–14 October, copies of which have been placed in the Library of the House.

    Animals (Exports)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (1) what representations he has received, from the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and others, about the suffering of animals subject to the Export of Animals Protection Order 1981; if he plans further action to protect live animals, exported from the United Kingdom under licence, from suffering; what action he is taking, within the European Economic Community, to ensure member states enforce European Economic Community directives concerning safeguards against animal suffering; and if he will make a statement;(2) how many United Kingdom exporters of live animals have been fined for breaches of licence conditions, issued by the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food under the Export of Animals Protection Order 1981, since 1981 to date; what fines have been imposed in each case; and if he will make a statement.

    My Department is not aware that any exporters have been fined under the Export of Animals (Protection) Order 1981. Over the years we have received many representations about the export of live food animals, and Compassion in World Farming has recently expressed concern about the impact of protests by French farmers on the welfare of exported British sheep. We have obtained assurances at the highest level from the French authorities that they would take steps to protect future trade, and are continuing to make vigorous representations to them.The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals has also submitted reports that sheep destined for France have been sent on to Spain. We do not license exports to that country because it has not implemented Community safeguards on animal welfare. We have contacted the French and Spanish authorities to discuss these reports and ask for their future co-operation. We are also investigating whether breaches of the 1981 order have occurred and have demanded more extensive information before future export licences for sheep to France are issued.

    Defence

    Royal Ordnance Factories

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) what effect the sale of Royal Ordnance factory, Leeds will have on his policy of competitive tendering as it relates to battle tanks;

    (2) what will be the effect of the sale of Royal Ordnance factories on the competitive tendering policy with regard to main battle tanks.

    As my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Defence indicated in the House on 24 July, full national competition for main battle tanks is not a practical long-term aim when the likely value of business cannot justify or sustain competitive industrial capacities required. The change of ownership at Leeds and the new investment should however in themselves ensure greater efficiency in satisfying our orders as well as enabling the factory to offer even more effective performance against the foreign competition and to participate more powerfully in collaborative ventures. Competition at the important sub-contractor level will of course continue. The prospective sale of the remaining Royal Ordnance factories should have no effect upon competitive tender opportunities in the main battle tank field.

    Raf Wittering

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what has been the number of empty Royal Air Force houses at RAF Wittering over the past five years on a yearly basis.

    The number of empty houses otherwise available for RAF use over the past five years at RAF Wittering were as follows:

    JulyEmpty houses
    1982166
    1983281
    1984238
    1985125
    1986122
    Of these quarters, 26 are held for allocation to RAF personnel. The USAF has asked to make use of 41 and is considering its possible need for the remainder.In addition, 253 houses on the base are already earmarked for use by United States forces rather than the RAF, and about 50 per cent. of these are at present unoccupied awaiting modernisation.

    Nato

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation meeting at Gleneagles and its significance for follow-up strategy following the Reykjavik talks.

    Royal Ordnance Factories Plc

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will place in the Library the prospectus for the sale of Royal Ordnance Factories plc.

    No. As it has been decided not to proceed with plans for a public offer of shares in Royal Ordnance plc no offer for sale document known as a prospectus will be published. It is now our intention to sell Royal Ordnance privately and to this end a detailed information memorandum has been prepared. This document is not a prospectus and it would not be appropriate to make it generally available. Recipients are obliged to enter a confidentiality agreement.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the latest situation regarding the sale of Royal Ordnance Factories plc.

    In accordance with plans announced to the House of Commons by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Defence on 24 July 1986—column 618—the tank building factory at Leeds has been sold to Vickers plc; and we are now seeking bids for Royal Ordnance plc as a whole on the basis of an information memorandum.

    Us Base (Holy Loch)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what are the terms of the agreement between the United Kingdom and the United States Government in relation to the United States base at Holy Loch.

    Use of the base at the Holy Loch is covered by confidential agreements between the United Kingdom and United States Governments.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what discussions have taken place between his Department and the United States Department of Defence about the future of the Holy Loch base; what has been the outcome of the discussions; and if he will make a statement.

    Discussions of this kind are confidential. The United States Defence Secretary stated on 22 October that there was no truth whatever in recent stories about United States intentions to withdraw from the Holy Loch.

    Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

    Hms Glamorgan

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what representations he has received concerning the sale of HMS Glamorgan to the Chilean navy; what his response was; and if he will make a statement.

    My right hon. and learned Friend has received a number of representations from right hon. and hon. Members and from the public concerning this sale. We take scrupulous care not to approve the supply of defence items which in our judgment are likely to be used for internal repression. A naval destroyer does not come into this category.

    Chile

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what representations he has made to the Government of Chile respecting the violation of human rights in that country following the reimposition of a state of siege on 7 September and the ensuing loss of life.

    EC Foreign Ministers issued a statement on 16 September calling for the lifting of the state of siege and the release of those detained, deploring all violence, and expressing concern at recent loss of life. My right hon. and learned Friend reiterated these concerns in his EC Presidency address to the United Nations General Assembly on 24 September, and at his bilateral meeting with the Chilean Foreign Minister on 25 September.

    Gibraltar

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will seek to make an official visit to the dependent territory of Gibraltar, and have discussions with the Chief Minister and other Gibraltar Government elected representatives on the future of the territory.

    My right hon. and learned Friend has no plans to visit Gibraltar in the near future, but he naturally consults the Chief Minister and his colleagues at regular intervals.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on the removal of the ceremonial frontier guard from the border post in the dependent territory of Gibraltar.

    The guard was withdrawn on 31 July. It no longer seems appropriate to have a guard of this nature at a frontier between two countries who are European Community partners and North Atlantic Treaty Organisation allies. The Spanish Government have not yet withdrawn their guard. We will continue to press them to do so.

    Gchq

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on the shortage of radio operators at Government communications headquarters, Cheltenham.

    There is no such shortage. Recruitment continues to be successful and it is expected on present trends that the planned strength of radio officers at GCHQ will be maintained up to and beyond the end of the decade.

    Visas

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what he estimates to be (a) the average and (b) the maximum distances which visa applicants from the Indian state of Gujerat will have to travel in order to attend at the nearest British consulate.

    The maximum distance to the deputy high commission in Bombay from any part of the state of Gujerat is approximately 875 kms. The average distance travelled by visa applicants is not known and could be calculated only at disproportionate cost.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what delay he anticipates will be incurred by people from the Indian state of Gujerat seeking to visit relatives in the United Kingdom as a result of the introduction of a visa system.

    Procedures for the issue of entry clearance have been streamlined and additional entry clearance officers have been sent to Bombay. It is hoped that any delay will normally be well within the period which most people spend planning international travel. Intending applicants are advised to apply as far in advance as possible.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs wha he estimates will be the cost to Her Majesty's Government of installing additional visa officers or other immigration personnel in India, including their cost of passage and accommodation.

    I refer the hon. and learned Member to the answer given to the hon. Member for Newham, South (Mr. Spearing) on 21 October. The recurrent costs, which include cost of passage and accommodation, of installing additional visa officers or other immigration personnel in India are estimated to be £3·1 million in 1987–88.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many new visa officers or other immigration officials he anticipates will have to be sent to India in order to deal with visa applications in that country.

    Twelve additional entry clearance officers are being sent to India. They will be joined by relief entry clearance officers, as necessary, during the seasonal peaks.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many visa officers or other immigration officials he intends to station in the Indian state of Gujerat.

    None. The nearest entry clearance issuing post will be the British deputy high commission at Bombay.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many visitors are estimated to have come to the United Kingdom from the Indian state of Gujerat during the last year for which records are available.

    The information is not available as statistics are maintained by country of origin only.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will publish in the Official Report in tabular form the names of all those countries which require British citizens to provide an entry visa for the purpose of making a visit.

    I refer my hon. Friend to the answer that I gave the right hon. Member for Manchester, Gorton (Mr. Kaufman) on 21 October.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many additional staff, dealing with visa applications, were at each post in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan on 14 October.

    I refer the hon. Member to the reply that I gave to the right hon. Member for Manchester, Gorton (Mr. Kaufman) on 21 October. Of the three additional staff concerned, two were in Karachi and one in Dhaka.

    asked the Secretary of' State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many applications for visas have been received in Colombo since the scheme was introduced; and how many have been (a) granted and (b) refused and how many appeals against refusal have been (i) lodged, (ii) granted and (iii) turned down.

    The information requested is given in the following table:

    31 May 1985—16 October 1986
    Visa applications
    Received13,698
    Granted12,173
    Refused1,130
    Appeals
    Lodged458
    Withdrawn25
    Allowed36
    Dismissed71

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will list the visa requirements of individual Commonwealth countries as they affect the citizens of other countries within the Commonwealth.

    I regret the information requested is not held by this Department and can be obtained only at disproportionate costs.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will state the average amount of time it will take for applications for visitors' visas to be finalised in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan; and if he will make a statement.

    The waiting time from first application to decision varies from case to case. But, depending on the numbers applying, visit applications are normally finalised on the same day that they are received, unless further inquiries need to be made.

    Underground Nuclear Tests

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what account his Department takes, in dealing with problems of verification of underground nuclear tests, of the agreement of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics to on-site monitoring.

    As they stand at present, the qualified nature of such offers would not in our view provide adequate levels of verification for a comprehensive test ban treaty. In any case, a range of technical problems would still need resolution. We welcome signs from the Reykjavik meeting between President Reagan and Mr. Gorbachev that the Soviet Union is prepared seriously to address verification issues, in the context of ratification of the threshold test ban treaty and peaceful nuclear explosion treaty. But the questions raised by verification of a CTBT will be of a different order.

    Nuclear Weapons

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what priority he gives to the establishment of negative security assurances to nonnuclear weapon states, as a means of preventing the spread of nuclear weapons.

    The United Kingdom and all other nuclear weapon states have given unilateral assurances to non-nuclear weapon states, but we continue to attach the highest importance to the non-proliferation treaty as the main defence against the spread of nuclear weapons.

    Departure Taxation

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will publish in the Official Report the names of those commonwealth countries which levy a departure tax on departing British citizens together with the amount of the tax in each case expressed in pound sterling at the current rate of exchange.

    According to the latest available information, airport taxes are levied by the following Commonwealth countries on departing passengers of all nationalities:

    Note: Taxes are normally paid in local currency upon departure. In many countries diplomats, transit passengers and infants are exempt. Taxes for children vary. (a)—Not applicable to transit passengers and infants under 2 years. (B)—Not applicable to transit passengers.
    Country£ Sterling
    Antigua (B)
    Departing Caribbean2·58
    Departing International5·15
    Australia (B)
    Departing International8·89
    Exception: Children under 12
    Bahamas (B)
    Embarkation Tax Adult3·49
    Exception: Children under 3
    Bangladesh (A)
    Departing Domestic0·24
    Departing International2·36
    Barbados (B)
    Departing Domestic and International4·15
    Exception: Children under 12
    Belize (A)
    Departing International6·97
    Bermuda (A)6·97
    Fiji (B)
    Departing International Exception: Children under 120·63
    Gambia (B)
    Departing Domestic and International3·11
    Ghana (A)
    Departing Domestic0·24
    Departing International0·96
    Grenada (B)
    Departing International5·17
    Exception: Children under 12
    Guyana (B)
    Departing International8·74
    Exception: Children under 7
    India (B)
    Departing Domestic, Subcontinent and Burma2·75
    Departing International Rest5·50
    Jamaica (A)
    Departing Domestic and International1·22
    Kenya6·97
    Kiribati Republic
    Departing International2·22

    Country

    £ Sterling

    Lesotho
    Departing International0·66
    Exceptions: Transit passengers and children under 5 years
    Malawi (A)
    Departing International3·58
    Malaysia (A)
    Departing Domestic0·80
    Departing International Brunei and Singapore1·33
    Departing International Rest3·99
    Maldive Islands5·00
    Departing International
    Mauritius (A)5·40
    Nauru4·45
    Departing International Exception: Transit passengers and children under 12
    Saint Christopher and Nevis
    Departing International Nationals2·58
    Departing International Non-nationals Exception: Transit passengers and children under 12 years3·48
    New Zealand (A)0·80
    Departing International Passengers
    Nigeria (A)
    Departing Domestic Adult1·01
    Departing Domestic Child0·50
    Departing International Adult4·02
    Departing International Child2·01
    Papua New Guinea (A)5·23
    St. Lucia
    Departing International Caribbean2·58
    Departing International Rest5·16
    Sierre Leone (A)
    Departing International0·48
    Singapore (A)1·60
    Departing International Brunei, Malaysia
    Departing International Rest3·85
    Solomon Islands (A)1·91
    Departing International
    Sri Lanka (A)5·00
    Departing International
    Tanzania (A)2·24
    Departing Domestic
    Departing International Residents2·24
    Departing International Non-residents6·97
    Tonga (A)2·22
    Trinidad and Tobago
    Departing International3·88
    Exception: Transit passengers and children under 5 years
    Tuvalu
    Departing International4·45
    Exception: Transit passengers and children under 3
    Uganda (A)3·00

    Country

    £ Sterling

    Vanuatu (A)
    Departing International7·00
    Departing Domestic1·40
    Zambia (A)
    Departing Domestic0·44
    Departing International1·68
    Zimbabwe
    Departing International Exception: Children under 124·23

    Turks And Caicos Islands

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on the current situation in the Turks and Caicos Islands.

    There is little to add to the statement that I made to the House on 25 July. The constitutional commission referred to in that statement was duly appointed on 15 September under Sir Roy Marshall a former vice-chancellor of Hull univerisity. The commission will assemble in the Turks and Caicos Islands on 5 November and is expected to conclude its review by the end of the year.On 24 September, the Governor of the Turks and Caicos Islands acting on the instructions of the Secretary of State appointed a commission of inquiry to investigate allegations about irregularities in the transfer of Crown land in 1983. The commissioner, Mr. Louis Blom-Cooper, QC, has already begun his investigations.

    South Africa

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what are the criteria which Her Majesty's Government will require to be satisfied for Her Majesty's Government to recognise Bophuthatswana.

    The normal criteria which the Government apply for recognition of a state are that it should have, and seem likely to continue to have, a clearly defined territory with a population, a Government who are able of themselves to exercise effective control of that territory, and independence in their external relations. Other factors, including some United Nations resolutions, may also be relevant.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will list all visits by his officials to Transkei, Venda and Ciskei setting out the dates and purpose.

    We have no official contacts. There have been occasional visits by officials for consular purposes. A comprehensive list is not available.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what is his policy regarding attitude and contact towards (a) Transkei, Venda, Bophuthatswana and Ciskei and (b) the homelands in South Africa.

    The United Kingdom does not recognise Transkei, Venda, Bophuthatswana or Ciskei as independent states; there are therefore no official contacts with them. The so-called homelands are an integral part of the Republic of South Africa and are treated as such.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what requests have been received from Bophuthatswana for visits or discussions by his officials; and what response has been given.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs when was the last time any of his officials visited Bophuthatswana; and if he will set out a schedule of contact his officials have had with Bophuthatswana since March 1983.

    We have no official contacts. There have been occasional visits by officials for consular purposes. A comprehensive list is not available.

    Reykjavik Summit

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what was the final proposal on intermediate nuclear forces in Europe which was provisionally agreed between the United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics at the Reykjavik summit; and if he will make a statement on the Government's policy towards a separate agreement on intermediate nuclear forces which would involve the removal of all SS20, cruise and Pershing II missiles from Europe.

    At the Reykjavik meeting between President Reagan and Mr. Gorbachev a global ceiling of 100 LRINF warheads was provisionally agreed. All the Soviet systems would be deployed in Asia and the United States systems in the United States. We welcome any equal global limit on LRINF.

    Social Services

    Natural And Herbal Medicines

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he will review the structure of the committees advising him in the practice of natural and herbal medicines; and if he will make a statement.

    There are a number of committees that advise my right hon. Friend on the provision of medical and pharmaceutical services.Doctors may prescribe any drugs including natural and herbal medicines (for example, senna tablets) which they feel are suitable for individual patients. These medicines are available at National Health Service expense unless they are included in Schedule 3A to the National Health Service (General Medical and Pharmaceutical Services) Regulations 1974.

    Reyes Syndrome

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) if he will list the over the counter medicinal products sold for babies and children which contain aspirin or aspirin derivatives; and what advice has he received regarding the continued sale of these products;(2) how significant was the risk factor study regarding Reyes syndrome in the decision of the Committee on Safety of Medicines on the use of children's aspirin; who paid for the study; what was the nature of his Department's involvement; and in what way he intends that his Department should support continuation of the study or work on its implications;(3) whether the Committee on Safety of Medicines received any representations or communications from the aspirin manufacturers during the period in 1985 when it was considering the relationship between the use of aspirin and Reyes syndrome;(4) precisely when the Committee on Safety of Medicines first received evidence from the United States that the number of reports of Reyes syndrome had fallen in line with the fall in the use of aspirin; what was the source of the information; who sent it; and what was the response of the Committee.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what references to aspirin are made in Health Education Council literature and what changes have been made following the recommendation that aspirin should not be given to children.

    The recommendation that aspirin should not be given to children was announced by my right hon. Friend the Member for Brentford and Isleworth (Mr. Hayhoe) in his reply to my hon. Friend the Member for Salisbury (Mr. Key) on 10 June 1986 at columns 145–46. The current edition of the Health Education Council booklet, "Minor Illness — How to treat it at home", which refers to the use of soluble aspirin in the treatment of sore throats, colds and sunburn, has been withdrawn so that a clear statement can be included warning of the dangers of giving aspirin to children.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many (a) young persons and (b) adults are known to have suffered from Reyes syndrome.

    I regret I cannot give the right hon. Member all the information he seeks. A joint study of Reyes syndrome in children commenced in 1981 and is conducted by the British Paediatric Association and the Public Health Laboratory Service Communicable Disease Surveillance Centre. The available figures are given in the the table.

    Reported cases of Reyes Syndrome in the British Isles in children under 16 years of age
    Year(1 August–31 July)Number
    1981–8242
    1982–8360
    1983–8481
    1984–8550
    1985–86150
    1 Provisional.

    Lithotripsy

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the current state of the descriptive study being carried out at St. Thomas's hospital, London, to compare lithotripsy with alternatives; when the study began and when it is due to end and at what estimated cost; and what other studies are known to the Department into extra-corporeal shock-wave lithotripsy (ESWL).

    The collection of data for this study is expected to be completed by the end of 1986. Preliminary results are expected in the spring of 1987. The study was approved for three years from April 1985 at an estimated cost of £70,000. The Department is not aware of any similar research studies in the National Health Service.

    "Breaking The Sound Barrier"

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what action his Department has taken in the light of the "Breaking the Sound Barrier" campaign of the Royal National Institute for the Deaf, Age Concern England and the British Association for the Hard of Hearing; if there is any further action he will be taking; and if he will make a statement.

    The Department has been closely associated with the campaign since the planning stage. Ministers continue to give support by letter, in speeches and by attending meetings. We are in process of consulting professional and other bodies about cutting waiting times for National Health Service hearing aids and actively pursuing the possibility of linking the promotion of induction loop systems with the Sympathetic Hearing Scheme to which the Department has already given considerable financial support.

    Deaf People

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many pre-lingual deaf people there are in Britain.

    I regret that statistics are not collected in this form and the registers kept by local authorities in England are not truly representative. However, it appears to be generally estimated that the prevalence of pre-lingual deafness is around one per thousand of live births.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many health service units provide specifically for the mental health of profoundly deaf people; where they are located; what is their size in terms of both professional staff and patients treated; what provision there is in regions which do not have such a unit; and how much supra-regional funding is provided.

    Two units within the National Health Service are known to provide specialist psychiatric services for people who are deaf. These are located at the Springfield hospital, in Wandsworth, and at the Whittingham hospital in Preston. The numbers of patients treated in 1985–86 were:

    In-patient/discharges and deathsOut-patient attendances
    Springfield hospital27187
    Whittingham hospital56183
    Information is not held centrally on the numbers of staff appointed directly to these units.In addition, building is scheduled to start on a major new psychiatric unit at the Queen Elizabeth hospital, Birmingham, early in 1990. The unit will include specialist facilities for patients throughout the west midlands region with particular needs, including deaf people with psychiatric disorders. The building is scheduled for completion in 1993.

    Supra-regional funds are not at present provided for this service, though North Western and South West Thames regional health authorities have recently applied for their services to be supra-regionally designated. These applications are currently under consideration by the Supra Regional Services Advisory Group.

    The principle of supra-regional services is to make available a highly-specialised facility to patients from regions which do not contain such a facility themselves.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the nature and extent of provision for the mental health needs of deaf people including the extent of domiciliary provision, the number of hostels, and the number of professional people in the National Health Service who are able to communicate fluently with the pre-lingually deaf people.

    The mental health needs of the majority of deaf people can be met within the general mental health services. Domiciliary provision and hostels form part of these general services, and are available to deaf people. However, information is not collected centrally about the extent of such domiciliary services or hostel provision, or about the number of professional people working in the National Health Service who are able to communicate fluently with pre-lingually deaf people.A small proportion of deaf people have a profound hearing handicap or are pre-lingually deaf, and require special communication skills from those who work with them. Such skills are available in the two specialist psychiatric units at Whittingham hospital, Preston, and Springfield hospital, London.

    Psychiatric Beds

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many psychiatric in-patient beds there are in Britain per 100,000 people; and what are the corresponding figures for psychiatric beds, where there are staff able to communicate, per 100,000 pre-lingually deaf people.

    In 1985, the latest year for which figures are available centrally, the average daily number of available beds in mental illness specialities per 100,000 population in England was 161. Information for the rest of Great Britain is a matter for the my right hon. Friends the Secretaries of State for Scotland and Wales. Information is not held centrally on the corresponding figures for psychiatric beds where the staff are able to communicate with pre-lingually deaf patients.

    Hospital Waiting Lists

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) if he will give the latest figures for the percentage of in-patient cases that have to wait for longer than one year in (a) the United Kingdom, (b) the west midlands region, (c) the four Thames regions, (d) the North Staffordshire district health authority and (e) the district health authorities with the highest and lowest percentage figures in the west midlands region;(2) if he will give the latest figures for the percentage of urgent in-patient cases that have to wait for longer than one month in

    (a) the United Kingdom, (b) the west midlands region, (c) the four Thames regions, (d) the North Staffordshire district health authority and (e) the district health authorities with the highest and lowest percentage figures in the west midlands region.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how much additional money will be allocated to the hospital service specifically for the purpose of cutting waiting lists; and what representations he has received from health authority managers regarding the amount that would be required for a significant improvement.

    Health authorities have been asked to report by the end of this month on how the position on waiting lists and times can be improved. The Government consider that there is much scope for improving services to patients and reducing waiting times by management action to bring about better use of resources.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) if he will publish a list of district health authorities in rank order according to the percentage figure of in-patients who have to wait for over a year for treatment;(2) if he will publish a list of district health authorities in rank order according to the percentage of urgent inpatient cases who have to wait for over a month.

    Irradiated Food

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) if he will make publicly available all the documentary comments on the report on the "Safety and Wholesomeness of Irradiated Foods" by the advisory committee on irradiated and novel foods which have been submitted to date to his Department for consideration; and if he will make a statement;(2) how many comments he has had from

    (a) individuals and (b) organisations on the report on the "Safety and Wholesomeness of Irradiated Foods" by the advisory committee on irradiated and novel foods published on 10 April; if he will list the organisations concerned; and if he will state what proportion of the comments were broadly in favour or against the report's recommendations;

    (3) if he is now in a position to announce his conclusions on the findings contained in the report on the "Safety and Wholesomeness of Irradiated Foods" by the advisory committee on irradiated and novel foods; and if he will make a statement.

    Around 4,600 individuals and 117 organisations have commented. A summary of comments will be given to the advisory committee on irradiated and novel foods in December. Health and Agriculture Ministers will consider the report in the light of any further advice from the committee.We do not intend, following standard practice, to publish all the thousands of comments received on the report, most of which raise similar points in similar terms. When making our views known, we will, however, also make available a summary of the main issues raised.The majority of letters from individuals voice concern as to the safety of the process. Organisations offer varied views according to interest and scientific background. Common to all is the desire for effective and enforceable controls of the process and that irradiated food should be clearly labelled. Several point out the dangers of active organisms in food and their risks to health which might be diminished following irradiation.The list of the organisations is as follows:

    • Agricultural and Food Research Council, Institute of Food Research
    • Association of British Abattoir Owners Ltd.
    • Association of District Councils
    • Association of London Authorities
    • Association of Metropolitan Authorities
    • Association of Public Analysts
    • Association of Sea and Air Port Health Authorities
    • Avon County Council
    • Bakers, Food and Allied Workers Union
    • Ballymoney Borough Council
    • Bradford City Metropolitan Council
    • British Association for Holistic Health
    • British Food Manufacturing Industries Research Association
    • British Holistic Medical Association
    • British Housewives League
    • Brighton and Hove Consumer Group
    • British Retailers Association
    • British Veterinary Association
    • Burntwood Environment Group
    • Cambridge Health Authority
    • Campden Food Preservation Research Association
    • Cancer Help Centre—Bristol
    • Catering Industries Liaison Council
    • College of Homoeopathy
    • Consumers Association
    • Consumers in the European Community Group (UK)
    • Co-operative Union Ltd.
    • Convention of Scottish Local Authorities
    • Coventry Environmental Health and Consumers Services Department
    • Creamery Proprietors Association
    • South Cumbria Community Health Council
    • Dairy Crest Foods
    • East Birmingham Pensioners
    • Faculty of Community Medicine
    • Farm and Food Society
    • Federation of Agricultural Co-operatives (UK) Ltd
    • Food and Drink Federation
    • General Consumer Council for Northern Ireland
    • General Foods Ltd
    • Green Party
    • Gwent County Council
    • Gwent District Council's Association
    • Haringey Borough Consumer Protection Service
    • Hertfoldshire County Council
    • Hyperactive Children's Support Group, Littlehampton
    • Institute of Food Science and Technology
    • Institute of Health Food Retailing
    • Institution of Mechanical Engineers
    • Institute of Trading Standards Administration
    • Isle of Wight County Council
    • Isotron PLC
    • Ken Bell (International) Ltd
    • Labour Party—Abergavenny
    • Labour Party—Carmarthen
    • Labour Party—Coventry North West
    • Labour Party—Llanfrechea
    • Labour Party—Monmouth
    • Labour Party—North Colchester
    • Lancashire County Council
    • League of Jewish Women
    • Lewisham Pensioners' Action Group
    • Liverpool Central and Southern Community Health Council
    • Local Authorities Co-ordinating Body on Trading Standards (LACOTS)
    • London Fruiterers' and Florists Association Ltd.
    • Low Moor and Oakenshaw Community Association
    • Meat and Livestock Commission
    • Milk Marketing Board
    • Mushroom Growers' Association
    • National Cold Storage Federation
    • National Consumer Council
    • National Council of Women of Great Britain
    • National Farmers' Union
    • National Federation of Consumer Groups
    • National Federation of Fishmongers Ltd.
    • National Federation of Meat Traders
    • National Federation of Wholesale Poultry Merchants
    • National Federation of Women's Institutes (and local groups)
    • National Housewives Association Ltd.
    • Neath Borough Council
    • Nestle Co. Ltd.
    • Northern Health and Social Services Board (NI)
    • North Gwent Community Health Council
    • North Staffordshire Health Authority
    • North Tees Community Health Council
    • Nottinghamshire County Council
    • Ottery St. Mary Locality Planning Team
    • Oxford Environmental Health Department
    • Pembrokeshire Community Health Council
    • Quo-Tee Ltd.
    • Retail Consortium
    • Retail Fruit Trade Federation Ltd.
    • Retail Fruit Federation (Manchester and District Branch)
    • RHM Research Ltd.
    • Royal Environmental Health Institute of Scotland
    • Royal Society of Health
    • Ryedale District Council
    • Salford Environmental Health and Control Department
    • Scottish Consumer Council
    • Sheffield Environmental Health and Consumer Services Department
    • Society of Chemical Industry
    • Soroptimist International of Rhondda and District
    • Southwark Public Protection Department
    • Spice Trade Association
    • Stepping Hill Hospital, Dietetic Department, Stockport
    • Swansea City Council
    • Swansea Valley—Friends of the Earth
    • Tesco Stores Ltd.
    • Totton and Eling Community Association
    • Townswomen's Guild—local groups
    • UK Federation of Business and Professional Women
    • Viritech Ltd.
    • Welsh Consumer Council
    • Welsh Counties Committee
    • Welshpool Women's Liberal Association
    • Whole Earth Foods Ltd
    • Women's Farming Union—West Midlands Branch
    • Worthing Children's Helpline

    Primary Health Care (Hampstead)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what has been the expenditure on primary health care in the Hampstead district health authority in the last three years; and what was the average for English district health authorities.

    Following are the figures requested:

    Expenditure on primary health care1
    1983–841984–851985–86
    TotalPer head of populationTotalPer head of populationTotalPer head of population
    £ million££ million££ million£
    Hampstead Health Authority9·89310·710111·2105
    Average for district health authorities in England768388
    1 Current expenditure on community health services plus net expenditure on family practitioner services. The latter expenditure cannot strictly be attributed to particular districts but has been included (pro rata to population) from the annual accounts of the family practitioner committees which account for it.
    2 Provisional figures.

    Supplementary Benefit

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the number of people in Dundee currently awaiting an appeal to a supplementary benefit tribunal; and what was the corresponding figure two years ago.

    Departmental figures are not available for areas smaller than a social security region. I suggest that the hon. Member writes to the president of social security appeal tribunals who, I understand, will be able to provide information on the number of appeals currently awaiting a hearing.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the current waiting time for the result of an adjudication from a supplementary benefits tribunal in (a) Dundee and (b) Scotland as a whole; and what action he proposes to take to reduce these waiting times.

    The latest available statistics, which relate to the quarter ended 31 December 1985, show that the average length of time from lodgement of an appeal to tribunal hearing in supplementary benefit cases is 11·6 weeks in Scotland. Equivalents are not available for localities smaller than a social security region. We are concerned at the time taken to process appeals and a study has been commissioned to examine procedures. We are aware that the president of social security appeal tribunals is similarly concerned and is also examining procedures with a view to reducing waiting times.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many persons were classed as long-term unemployed for the purpose of receiving supplementary benefit 12 months ago, six months ago and at the latest available date; and if he will distinguish those persons receiving the long-term rate of supplementary benefit in each case.

    The number of supplementary benefit claimants unemployed for more than one year was 1,032,800 on 14 November 1985 and 1,027,700 on 8 May 1986.The long-term scale rate is not normally payable to a claimant who is unemployed and subject to the condition of availability for work but at December 1984 there were 25,000 long-term unemployed claimants who were receiving the long-term scale rate either because they had a partner over 60 or because they were not required to be available for supplementary benefit purposes but had chosen none the less to claim as unemployed.The dates given are the latest at which the information requested is available.

    Rents

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) how much has been paid by his Department for rented accommodation for young persons in Scotland in the years 1984, 1985 and the latest available figures for 1986;(2) what guidelines are issued to his Department's officials in Scotland in relation to the payment of rent to landlords for rooms tenanted by young persons;(3) what checks are carried out by his Department's officials in Scotland when paying rent on behalf of young persons regarding the standard of declaration, the amount and condition of the furnishings and the availability of bathroom and toilet facilities; and whether regular checks are made on the properties for which rent is being paid;(4) if he will conduct an investigation into allegations of overcharging by landlords for rooms tenanted by young unemployed persons whose rent is paid by his Department's offices in Scotland; and if he will make a statement.

    No information is available centrally on the amount of housing benefit paid to young people in Scotland for rented accommodation.Help with rent is provided through the housing benefit scheme which is administered by local authorities. Authorities can restrict the amount of rent eligible for benefit in certain circumstances if they consider that the rent is unreasonably high.Advice to local authorities on the use of their power to restrict benefit on unreasonably high rents is included in a guidance manual on housing benefits administration issued by the Department (a copy is in the Library), but it is for the responsible authority to decide what checks should be carried out to enable it to decide whether a restriction should be applied. We plan to strengthen local authorities' powers to prevent abuse of the revised housing benefit scheme from April 1988.We have no plans to conduct an investigation into allegations of overcharging by landlords in Scotland for rooms tenanted by young people in receipt of housing benefit, but I hope that any specific evidence of abuse will be passed to the relevant local authority.

    Methylene Chloride

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the permitted level of methylene chloride in decaffeinated coffee; if his Department has studied United States Food and Drug Administration surveys of the potentially harmful effects of methylene chloride in hairsprays; and if he will make a statement on the levels of methylene chloride permitted.

    We are advised that methylene chloride is a solvent with many uses, which includes the decaffeination of coffee. Any residue in the final coffee product must not exceed five parts per million.The only recent research from the United States of America of which we are aware tested for carcinogenic effects on animals and was concerned with the effects of inhalation of methylene chloride in general, rather than hairsprays in particular. Whilst carcinogenic effects were indicated in animals exposed, the doses involves were vastly in excess of any which could be received from using a hairspray. Earlier studies of workers showed no adverse effects from methylene chloride.We are awaiting further advice on the safety in use of methylene chloride in the light of these recent studies. There are at present no statutory limits on the amount of methylene chloride which hairsprays may contain. In the light of the independent advice received, it will be for my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry to consider any action which may be required.

    Diabetics

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will arrange for plastic sugar level testing strips and plastic syringes to be available to diabetics on prescription; what representations he has received on this issue; what are the estimated net costs of making such items available on prescription; and if he will make a statement.

    Blood glucose testing strips and plastic syringes are already available to diabetics through the hospital service where clinically necessary. We have received many representations from hon. Members and others requesting that they be prescribed by general practitioners. In round terms, this would cost the family practitoner services about £15 million to £20 million a year. At present the necessary resources are not available, and in any event it would be necessary to consider priorities, bearing in mind the many other desirable developments to which any additional resources may be devoted.

    Departmental Staffing And Claims

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) if he will state the number of staff employed in his Department's local office in (a) August 1979 and (b) August 1986 in the Greater London area;(2) if he will state the number of benefit claims in action, live load, in

    (a) August 1979 and (b) August 1986 in the Greater London area.

    Comprehensive figures are not available on the number of staff employed in the Department's offices within the Greater London area before April 1983. Some offices within the Greater London area deal with areas outside the Greater London area as the boundaries are not coterminous.Information that is available is as follows:

    August 1979August 1983August 1986
    Number of staff employed in the Greater London arean.a.9,4029,942
    Number of people receiving supplementary benefit1446,589658,564775,227

    1 Based on a 100 per cent. count of cases in action in August.

    n.a. = not available.

    Direct comparisons between the number of staff and claims are misleading as workloads vary considerably by type and duration of claim and the action that has to be taken. All these factors vary over time as a result of legislative, policy and procedural changes. Examples of such changes are the introduction of housing benefit and postal claim forms.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will state the number of benefit claims awaiting processing, backlog, in (a) August 1979 and (b) August 1986 in the Greater London area.

    Figures for the number of claims awaiting action in local offices are not available for the period before 1983. On 30 August 1983, 21,691 claims for supplementary benefit were awaiting action in local offices serving the Greater London area. The comparable figure for 26 August this year was 38,712.

    Training Programmes

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if attendance on or completion of a course relating to the Government's restart programme or the proposed six-month training programme for the long-term unemployed under 25 years will affect entitlement to supplementary benefit; and if he will make a statement.

    Geriatric Care

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) how many beds were available for geriatric care in the (a) public and (b) private sector in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985;(2) how many geriatric patients were treated in

    (a) public and (b) private sector hospitals in each of the years 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985.

    Information is not collected centrally in precisely the form requested. I shall let the hon. Member have the available information as soon as possible.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what representations he has received regarding the number of beds available for geriatric care in British hospitals.

    There have been no recent formal representations from organised bodies about the number of beds available in geriatric units. We are in close consultation with regional health authorities concerning services for geriatric patients in their regions.

    Mental Illness

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) how much money was made available by the Government for local authorities to provide for those suffering from mental illness in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985;(2) how much money was spent by each local authority in providing care for those suffering from mental illness in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985 specifying the sum spent authority by authority.

    The Government do not allocate money to local authorities specifically for expenditure on services for mentally ill people. General support for expenditure is provided through the rate support grant system and it is for local authorities to determine levels of spending on specific services in the light of local circumstances and priorities within the overall framework of relevant Government policies and plans.Some information about annual expenditure by individual local authorities on services for mentally ill people and figures on the numbers of places made available in day centres and residential accommodation by local authorities are published by the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy each year in "Personal Social Services Statistics: Actuals", copies of which are available in the Library.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many patients were readmitted to mental institutions within (a) 0 to one month, (b) one to three months, (e) three to six months, (d) six to 12 months, (e) one to two years and (f) two to three years of their original release in each of the years 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985.

    I am sorry I cannot give the hon. Member the information he seeks as it is not available centrally. The hon. Member might like to write to the chairman of the regional health authority for the geographical area of his interest for further information.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what representations he has received regarding female psychiatric patients.

    We are not aware of any such recent representations. We are in close consultation with the regional health authorities concerning provision of psychiatric services for women and men in their regions.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what representations he has received regarding the standard of community care for those released from mental institutions.

    We continue to receive a large number of representations about community care for mentally disordered people reflecting a very natural concern, which my right hon. Friend shares, that community care services should be comprehensive, flexible, accessible and acceptable. These concerns were well illustrated in the second report from the Social Services Committee published in January 1985, and in the Government response to that report. We pursue these concerns in the context of ministerial reviews with chairmen of regional health authorities and in other ways.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many women were admitted to mental institutions in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985.

    The table shows the numbers of admissions of women to National Health Service mental illness and mental handicap hospitals and units in England. Some women may have been admitted more than once during a year.

    Admissions of women to mental illness and mental handicap hospitals and units in England

    Year

    Mental illness

    Mental handicap

    1980107,0458,441
    1981110,5519,876
    1982108,38611,076
    1983110,66813,837
    1984111,93615,712
    1985116,42917,281

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how much money was spent on mental institutions in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985.

    Costing returns submitted by health authorities in England show their total current expenditure on hospitals categorised as mental illness and mental handicap as:

    YearMental illness £ millionMental handicap £ million
    1979–80486·8261·8
    1980–81625·0339·2
    1981–82682·3373·3
    1982–83718·4399·8
    1983–84748·4418·2
    1984–85788·8440·7

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many patients were accommodated in mental institutions in 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1985.

    The information requested is given in the table:

    Resident Patients at 31 December in National Health Service menial illness and mental handicap hospitals and units in England
    YearMental illness NumberMental handicap Number
    198074,83044,440
    198173,17043,090
    198270,88041,710
    198369,03040,170
    198466,05038,370
    198563,97036,340

    Radiotherapy

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what guidance he has provided to regional health authorities about the minimum numbers of new patients requiring radiotherapy treatment which should be the basis of an area radiotherapy unit; and if he will make a statement.

    [pursuant to her reply, 21 October 1986]: Guidance on the organisation of radiotherapy services for the treatment of cancer is contained in HC(78)32, a copy of which is in the Library. Further guidance is contained in a report an acute services for cancer by an expert working group of the standing sub-committee on cancer of the Department's standing medical advisory committee. This was sent to health authorities under cover of HN(84)23, a copy of which is also in the Library.Both the guidance and the report on acute services for cancer draw attention to the variety of factors that health authorities will need to take into account. They envisage that over 3,000 new cancer cases, a substantial proportion of whom will require radiotherapy, will arise annually from a population of one million, and that normally a population of one million is considered to be the smallest to produce a sufficient caseload for a clinically and economically viable ratiotherapy centre.

    Wales

    Rates

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will publish the average unrebated domestic rate bill paid in each year since 1966 by householders in Wales.

    The information is given in the following table:

    Estimated average unrebated domestic rate bill1
    £
    1966–6732
    1967–6833
    1968–6934
    1969–7035
    1970–7137
    1971–7244
    1972–7347
    1973–7450
    1974–7534
    1975–7651
    1976–7759
    1977–7868
    1978–7977
    1979–8097
    1980–81127
    1981–82154
    1982–83183
    Rate support grants paid to Welsh local authorities (£000)
    1981–821982–831983–841984–851985–861986–87
    Local AuthorityDomestic rate reliefBlock grantDomestic rate reliefBlock grantDomestic rate reliefBlock grantDomestic rate reliefBlock grantDomestic rate reliefBlock grantDomestic rate reliefBlock grant
    Counties:
    Clwyd98,423101,65597,21795,11193,66792,142
    Dyfed87,29690,72890,90987,27081,89586,902
    Gwent112,663119,274115,886112,237105,253108,547
    Gwynedd63,01163,98763,83361,66458,49459,349
    Mid Glamorgan168,544169,138163,310159,920155,735158,645
    Powys39,56243,07342,08839,64338,32638,371
    South Glamorgan78,84785,47781,16675,57971,29268,066
    West Glamorgan87,97395,45590,44688,28486,92886,721
    Districts:
    Alyn and Deeside1,8712,7829002,9618682,8228442,6858042,5127782,586
    Colwyn1,5052,4307202,5446982,4736792,1686481,9866332,111
    Delyn1,6674,1048023,8907743,7327523,5467143,3906993,564
    Glyndwr9142,0934411,9684282,0374141,8083961,6933861,798
    Rhuddlan1,4962,9627112,8176883,1096662,9066352,7576162,903
    Wrexham Maelor2,5526,0111,2345,2331,1975,3041,1614,8331,1114,8951,0785,103
    Carmarthen9393,0524542,6244392,7344282,5714112,5224022,650
    Ceredigion1,2513,0936063,0315883,0295712,6855442,7855332,922
    Dinefwr5831,8862831,9222741,7532651,6652521,6252481,667
    Llanelli1,4105,0836764,6316544,7676304,4995984,4085794,405
    Preseli1,3182,7386342,7326143,0385962,7975662,8335533,025
    South Pembrokeshire8579394131,2174001,0963888153691,1223631,215
    Blaenau Gwent1,3546,4816486,5566286,5346036,6725697,0805507,025
    Islwyn1,1674,5425694,1395504,3755334,0775054,1434924,843
    Monmouth1,7413,0638453,0338173,0338122,6417762,4727632,595
    Newport3,4855,6701,6725,8021,6226,1431,5564,2411,4775,0401,4406,091
    Torfaen1,9485,5579354,9079034,8488754,9238334,6518144,521
    Aberconwy1,4063,0396732,7316532,7796302,5695992,3825822,288
    Arfon1,0063,5494893,5934763,4634643,0394402,7324312,541

    £

    1983–84185
    1984–85202
    1985–86

    2221

    1986–87

    2253

    1 Figures for the period 1966–67 to 1973–74 are not compatible with those for 1974–75 and later years. This is due to changes in local authority responsibilities in 1974, in particular the transfer of water and sewerage services from local authorities to water authorities.

    2 Provisional.

    Rate Support Grant

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will list the amount of rate support grant paid to each local authority in Wales in each of the years from 1978–79 to 1986–87 expressed in constant 1986–87 prices.

    Figures for each of the years from 1981–82 to 1986–87 are given in the table below. Prior to 1981–82 rate support grant arrangements were different and comparable figures for individual authorities are not available. Rate support grant consists of a block grant paid to all local authorities and a domestic rate relief grant which is paid to district authorities as a flat rate subsidy to reduce the level of rates including the county precept, paid by domestic ratepayers. The block grant figures for 1986–87 are the amounts that would be paid by scaling all authorities' block grant claims to the total available. Block grant entitlements will be revised by the forthcoming Welsh rate support grant supplementary reports for 1984–85, 1985–86 and 1986–87. All figures are expressed in real terms at 1986–87 prices using the GDP (market prices) deflator.

    1981–82

    1982–83

    1983–84

    1984–85

    1985–86

    1986–87

    Local Authority

    Domestic rate relief

    Block grant

    Domestic rate relief

    Block grant

    Domestic rate relief

    Block grant

    Domestic rate relief

    Block grant

    Domestic rate relief

    Block grant

    Domestic rate relief

    Block grant

    Dwyfor6181,5333071,7082961,8332901,6052791,6412731,744
    Meirionydd7851,3883801,7223681,8743571,2593391,6193291,722
    Ynys Mon1,5503,3297533,3207313,6477122,9466822,6556682,757
    Cynon Valley9645,2824615,3544464,9954314,6574084,6043974,888
    Merthyr Tydfil9555,4274585,1864444,9094274,8314064,8163935,153
    Ogwr2,5707,9051,2417,5211,2016,5671,1777,1211,1226,7301,0976,826
    Rhondda9347,6284478,6554358,6744177,8643928,1443808,486
    Rhymney Valley1,8258,4438777,4718476,9638226,6367806,3457596,444
    Taff Ely1,7295,2688365,4358134,9077923,7437534,0197354,018
    Brecknock8062,1803891,8653761,8423661,8443491,6503411,710
    Montgomeryshire9822,0734822,1514682,4134592,0934411,8894332,091
    Radnor4501,0382199892131,003209869200763195818
    Cardiff8,16413,5543,93814,8483,81515,3343,70713,7863,52113,5843,44014,372
    Vale of Glamorgan2,9494,4331,4264,4331,3844,0921,3513,5531,2933,1911,2724,009
    Port Talbot1,0142,0194842,3814692,0284512,5784242,4664092,485
    Lliw Valley1,0473,1605063,3134903,3144743,1544522,9874433,169
    Neath1,2723,4206103,1595913,0945692,7065362,6175192,862
    Swansea4,33812,1272,07911,1932,01112,6231,94611,8201,83312,9391,77613,260