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Volume 947: debated on Thursday 6 April 1978

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Written Answers To Questions

Thursday 6th April 1978

Small Firms

asked the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster when he next intends to meet the small firms council of the Confederation of British Industry.

I met representatives of the CBI smaller firms council last October, and at the invitation of the director-general I attended one of the council's regular meetings last month. But I shall be happy to take account of any further views the council wishes to put to me.

Home Department

Television Licences (Old Persons' Homes)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he is satisfied with the present administrative arrangements for operating the old persons' home television licence scheme.

I have reviewed the old persons' home concessionary broadcast receiving licence scheme under the Wireless Telegraphy (Broadcast Licence Charges and Exemption) Regulations 1970 (SI 1970 No. 548) in relation to their application to dwellings provided for pensioners by local authorities, housing associations or development corporations in association with other accommodation or facilities intended for the common use of all the occupants.I have decided to dispense with the requirements that, first, a warden employed to look after pensioners living in such accommodation must himself be resident within the group of dwellings and, secondly, any other kind of communal facility provided for the pensioners must be within the boundary of the group of dwellings. In future, wardens resident, and other facilities situated, outside the boundary of a particular group of old persons' dwellings will be regarded as a common facility for this purpose so long as they are provided in association with the dwellings.This change will take effect from today. I have also decided that those persons who are today living in accommodation which comes within the scope of the new arrangements for this concessionary licence for the first time, and who hold a current licence which was obtained at the full rate or at the blind persons' concessionary rate, will be eligible for a payment. The amount of this payment will be the cost of the licence held less 5p, which is the cost of the old persons' home concessionary licence with which it will be replaced.I am arranging for this change to be brought to the notice of directors of social services and of the National Federation of Housing Associations and the development corporations so that they may consider the effect of this change on their dwellings. Old persons who think that they may now come within this extension of the concessionary scheme should approach their warden or the supervisor of the accommodation in which they live for advice as applications have to be made through the organisation responsible for the dwellings.I am arranging for a copy of the revised leaflet about the concessionary scheme which is being issued by the television licensing organisation to be placed in the Library of the House.

Race Relations Legislation

16.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he remains satisfied with the operation of the law restraining organisations dedicated to inciting racial hatred, in view of the recent activities in the United Kingdom of a Ku Klux Klan leader in recruiting for that organisation.

The Race Relations Act 1976 has been in force for only nine months, but I am keeping the provisions on incitement to racial hatred under review.

Immigration Statistics

17.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he is satisfied with the frequency of issuing statistics relating to immigration.

Yes. In addition to the annual Command Paper entitled "Control of Immigration, Statistics", which is published today, summary statistics are issued quarterly and annually in the form of a Press notice which is freely available and detailed quarterly figures are placed in the Library of the House.

Licensing Law

19.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will now take steps to implement the Erroll Committee's report on liquor licensing.

The Government have no plans at present to introduce legislation on this subject.

Suicide

20.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he intends to make any proposals for changes in the law relating to suicide.

The law on offences against the person is under review by the Criminal Law Revision Committee as part of its programme of codification of the criminal law, and the law relating to suicide falls to be considered in the course of that review.

Police

21.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will state the number or approximate number of resignations from the police in the first quarter of 1978.

24.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will make a statement on the serious decline in recruitment to the police force; and what action he proposes to take to remedy the situation.

We do not yet have any figures for March, but there were 884 resignations from the police service in England and Wales during January and February. However, recruitment has been reasonably satisfactory and there was a net gain in strength of 150 over the two months, bringing the total to 108,351.

25.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what proportion of recruits into the police force in the past year have been women.

31.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will announce what new steps he is taking to stimulate police recruitment in view of the latest manpower figures.

Budget provision for national publicity in 1978–79, subject to parliamentary approval, has been increased to £793,000, which is £200,000 more than in 1977–78. This will finance a campaign in support of local recruitment, by means of Press advertising, films and booklets for use in school visits, and special projects.

Prevention Of Terrorism Act

22.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he expects to receive the report of Lord Shackleton on the working of the Prevention of Terrorism Act.

I cannot add, at this stage, to my comments in our debate on 15th March on the order renewing the Act.

Prison Medical Services

23.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will now issue statistics on the prison medical services which make clear the volume and cost of each type of drug prescribed to prisoners.

We intend to introduce arrangements to record, collect and make public information about the prescription of drugs by type, when the necessary administrative resources are available.

Mr Stanley Parr

26.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he has decided to establish an independent inquiry to investigate all the issues raised in the Osmonde Report following the dismissal of Mr. Stanley Parr.

I have this matter under consideration and hope to reach a decision shortly.

Prisoners (National Insurance)

27.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what plans he has for paying national insurance for prisoners so that when they are discharged they do not lose their rights to pension benefits.

None. It would not be right to give prisoners preferential treatment in this matter over other people whose circumstances preclude them from paying national insurance contributions.

Public Order Act

28.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he remains satisfied with the working of the Public Order Act.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply which I gave to a Question by my hon. Friend the Member for Salford, East (Mr. Allaun) on 2nd March.—[Vol. 945, c. 655–6.]

Immigrants (Local Authority Services)

29.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what level of grants he has approved in 1977–78 under Section 11 of the Local Government Act 1966; what is his estimate of the level for 1978–79; and if he is satisfied that the grants claimed are adequate to meet the needs of the areas concerned.

£24,715,000 is provided in the Supplementary Estimates for the payment of grants to local authorities under Section 11 of the Local Government Act 1966 in 1977–78. The Supply Estimates for 1978–79 are to be published tomorrow, and it will be seen that it is proposed to provide £25,710,000 for Section 11 grants for that year. It is for eligible local authorities to determine an adequate level of expenditure and to submit claims in accordance with the guidance available to them.

Television (Fourth Channel)

30.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will now make a statement on the possible use of the fourth television channel in Wales.

I would ask the hon. Member to await the Government's proposals for the future constitution, structure and organisation of broadcasting.

Firemen (Working Hours)

32.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what steps he is taking to ensure that working hours of 42 hours per week are achieved in the fire service on 7th November 1978 as agreed after the recent dispute; and if he will make a statement.

In accordance with the 1977 pay settlement, negotiations about the introduction of a 42-hour working week are proceeding in the National Joint Council for Local Authorities' Fire Brigades. We are keeping in close touch with both sides of the council.

Television Licences (Pensioners)

33.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will take steps to reduce the television licence fee for pensioners living alone.

The Government are currently considering the question of licence concessions in the light of the Annan Committee's recommendation that no further concessions should be introduced.

Criminal Offences (Penalties)

34.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will seek to increase or introduce minimum penalties which may be imposed by the courts.

No. I believe that the courts should, except in cases of murder, be free to impose whatever sentence is most appropriate to the individual offence within the substantial maximum penalties available to them.

Metropolitan Police (Thames Division)

36.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he is satisfied that retrenchment in the Thames Division of the Metropolitan Police will not lessen the security of the Palace of Westminster; and whether he will have a statement on the future of the River Police.

In the light of the changing pattern of policing needs on the River Thames and throughout the Metropolitan Police District, the Commissioner has decided that a reduction in the number of police officers, patrol boats and police stations in Thames Division is justified in order to achieve a more efficient distribution of his limited resources. It is, of course, for the Commissioner to decide the most effective deployment of his resources on the basis of his professional judgment of operational requirement. The Commissioner's object, which I support, is to release more officers for patrol duty on the streets of London without materially impairing standards of policing on the river. He assures me that the proposed changes in Thames Division will not reduce the degree of protection he is able to afford to the Palace of Westminster.

Crime (Bristol)

35.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will call for a report from the Chief Constable of Avon and Somerset on the rise in crime in Bristol, particularly as regards assaults in the streets at night.

No, since I am aware of the concern expressed by the Chief Constable, and arrangements already exist for me to be kept fully informed of the problems facing the police both in Avon and Somerset and elsewhere.

Mr William Wilkinson

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department why the recent illegal entry into the United Kingdom of Mr. William Wilkinson, Imperial Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, was not discovered earlier; whether he will give an assurence that illegal immigration by way of and from other European Economic Community countries is not now being practised; and what action can be and is taken against those who enter from the European Economic Community and remain without authority.

The countries from which they have travelled does not determine the action to be taken against people who require and do not have leave to enter or remain under the Immigration Act 1971. It will depend upon the circumstances of each case.Prompt action was taken by the police to apprehend Mr. Wilkinson immediately it became clear that he was in the country.

Immigrants

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will make a further statement on his declaration of the increased number of immigrants from the Mediterranean area as a result of the new countries now being admitted into the European Economic Comunity, providing fuller details of the likely numbers involved.

My remarks were in general terms and not intended to indicate likely numbers.

Deportation Order Appeals

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will seek to amend the law to prevent those persons who deliberately enter the country when their eventual deportation has previously been decided from receiving free legal aid to contest the deportation order.

Legal aid is not available to appellants under the Immigration Act against decisions to deport them. Advice, and assistance in presenting their appeals, may be sought without charge from the United Kingdom Immigrants' Advisory Service.

Mr Joshua Nkomo

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will make a statement on the visit to the United Kingdom of Mr. Joshua Nkomo, and the reasons why he was detained at Heathrow Airport by immigration officials for half an hour.

The purpose of Mr. Joshua Nkomo's visit was to hold discussions with my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs. Mr. Nkomo and his party were not detained; they passed through the immigration control within a few minutes of arrival.

House Of Commons

Members' Salaries

asked the Lord President of the Council what was the average increase in earnings between June 1976 and February 1978; and to what extent Members' salaries would have to be raised if they had received the same average increase in their salaries.

The Index of Average earnings* increased by 16 per cent. in the period June 1976 to January 1978—the latest date for which figures are available. Applying this percentage increase to the parliamentary salary as at 13th June 1976 produces a figure of £7,030.

* Older series—unadjusted for seasonal changes.

Register Of Members' Interests

asked the Lord President of the Council when a new Register of Members' Interests will be published.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply I gave to the hon. Member for Wokingham (Mr. van Straubenzee) on 3rd April.—[Vol. 947, c. 25.]

Education And Science

Arts Council

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what was the total sum of money spent by the Arts Council during the last complete year, and what per capita apportionment this represents.

The Arts Council's grant-in-aid for 1977–78 was £41,725,000. This represents about 77p per head of the estimated population of Great Britain.

National Heritage And The Arts

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science, in view of the improving prospects for the economy, what proposals she has for meeting the needs both of the national heritage and of the living arts in 1978–79 and if she will make a statement.

Details of the financial support which is proposed in my area of responsibility are in Class X of the Supply Estimates presented to the House today. I propose to increase by an average of 78·1 per cent the purchase grants for national museums and galleries, including the funds administered by the Victoria and Albert Museum and the Science Museum to assist purchases by local museums and galleries. The Victoria and Albert Museum's central fund will be increased by 83 per cent., and there will also be a higher than average increase for those institutions specialising in the applied and decorative arts and archaeology, where recent price rises have been higher than average. My Department's share of the £1 million announced by the Chancellor of the Exchequer on 26th October 1977, revalued to current prices, has been used to augment the resources available to each recipient to enable recipients to meet the expected increased volume of sales.I have already announced a 17½ per cent. increase in the grant-in-aid to the Arts Council, and I propose to increase by 27·8 per cent. the total grants to area museum councils for the assistance of local museums.The total increase of my Department's Estimate for the arts, museums and galleries is 15½ per cent. In addition, all services will benefit from the Government's success in reducing inflation, which will reduce the escalation of costs and increase the ability of private individuals and institutions to support the arts.

Student Grants

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if she will take steps to redefine rules which restrict local authorities in dealing with applications for student grants for such applicants who, at present, are deemed not to have been ordinarily resident in the United Kingdom within the meaning of present criteria.

No. My right hon. Friend has no present intention of changing the requirement that an applicant for a mandatory award must have been ordinarily resident in the United Kingdom for the three years before his course.

Trade

British Airways (Profitability)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade if he will publish figures showing the profits or losses produced by British European Airways, British Overseas Airways Corporation and British Airways, respectively, during each of the last complete 20 operating years for which figures are available.

The following figures taken from published accounts show net profit (loss) attributable to the corporations after interest, taxation and adjustments for minority shareholders in subsidiaries where appropriate. Combined accounts for British Airways were published from 1972–73 following establishment of the British Airways Board.

BEABOAC
£ million£ million
1957–581·055(3·485)
1958–590·233(11·636)
1959–602·086(0·556)
1960–611·545(1·984)
1961–62(1·488)(50·072)
1962–63(0·265)(12·860)
1963–643·030(10·356)
1964–651·3178·875
1965–661·2848·052
1966–670·70823·867
1967–68(1·784)22·492
1968–693·53621·680
1969–706·53219·313
1970–710·5243·441
1971–720·181*(1·405)
British Airways
£ million
1972–735·2
1973–7416·6
1974–75(9·4)
1975–76(16·3)
1976–7735·1
* After charging £0·14 million taxation for associated companies.

Transatlantic Air Fares

asked the Secretary of State for Trade, further to his reply to the hon. Member for Tynemouth of 10th March 1978 indicating that the Government's reason for not accepting the proposal acceptable to the United States Government for low transatlantic fares to destinations other than New York was the right to ensure that long-term considerations of efficiency, safety and the ability to invest in new and quieter aircraft were not impaired, what change in these factors has subsequently led to the Government's decision to accept the proposals.

, pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 5th April 1978], gave the following information:As I indicated to the hon. Member on 10th March, we had misgivings about the proliferation of these experimental low fares. But, as my right hon. Friend said in his reply of 20th March, after detailed discussions with the United States authorities we have agreed to accept the new fares to and from all the United States gateways for an experimental period subject to the important proviso that the conditions of competition must be equal and that the number of seats available at these fares shall be limited on most routes.We have also agreed with the United States that this experiment will be reviewed in the autumn in partnership with other European countries and with Canada. In that review, we shall be taking closely into consideration the factors to which the hon. Member draws attention.

Prices And Consumer Protection

Nationalised Industries (Financial Targets)

asked the Secretary of State for Prices and Consumer Protection whether he will indicate the response to the Government's request to the Chairman of the Price Commission about nationalised industry financial targets, to which reference was made in paragraph 75 of the White Paper on nationalised industries, published on 6th April.

My correspondence with the Chairman of the Price Commission on this subject was placed in the Library of each House yesterday.

Civil Service

Pensions

asked the Minister for the Civil Service what the pension entitlement would be after 10, 15, 20, 30, and 32 years' service, respectively, of a civil servant on the same rate of pay as an hon. Member.

The pension and lump sum payable to a civil servant whose pensionable pay is £8,208 are shown in columns 1 and 2 of the following table. It also shows, for convenience, the hypothetical pension that would have been payable to a Member of Parliament at 31st March 1978 with the same service and relevant terminal salary—column 3—and the resulting pension and lump sum—columns 4 and 5—where the pension

Civil ServantMember of parliament
12345
Years of pensionable servicePensionGross lump sumPensionPensionGross lump sum
£££££
101,0263,0781,3681,0443,078
151,5394,6172,0521,5674,617
202,0526,1562,7362,0896,156
30*3,0789,2343,1942,4387,186
32*3,2839,8493,1942,4387,186
* The parliamentary scheme at present only allows 10 years' service prior to 16th October 1964 as reckonable for pension purposes, giving maximum reckonable service at 31st March 1978 of 23 years 126 days.

Ministerial Expenses

asked the Minister for the Civil Service whether, without identifying the recipients in person, he will publish as detailed a list as possible, showing the amounts of public expenses received by Ministers for the longest and most convenient period of time in addition to their parliamentary and ministerial salaries and expenses for any or all stated reasons; and on what basis and for what reasons those extra payments have been made.

As I have previously made clear to my hon. Friend—[Vol. 939, c. 370]—no extra payments other than the London supplement are made to Ministers in addition to the parliamentary and ministerial salaries and expenses.

Employment

Manpower Services Commission

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what was the total sum of public money expended by the Manpower Services Commission in 1977; how many new jobs were created by the Commission in 1977; and what was the average cost to public funds of each new job created.

The total sum of public money expended by the MSC in the calendar year 1977 is not available. However, the estimated grant in aid to the MSC for the financial year 1977–1978 is £466,836,000. I am informed by the Manpower Services Commission that 63,574 temporary jobs were created under the job creation programmes in 1977 at

was commuted by a male aged 65 to the maximum extent permitted under the scheme.

an average gross cost of £1,675 each. The net cost to public funds after taking into account receipts from tax, national insurance contributions and savings in unemployment and supplementary benefits was approximately £750 per job.

Overseas Employment (Recruitment)

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will establish an inquiry into the practice of recruitment of workers in the United Kingdom for employment overseas in the light of the activities of Depike Engineering Limited; and if he will make a statement.

I am informed by the Manpower Services Commission that its employment service division has recently introduced a number of workers to Depike Engineering Limited, of Hayes, Middlesex, to work on a contract that the company was understood to be fulfilling in Germany. Two of the workers were engaged and no complaints about the employment have been received. As a result of a subsequent Press article concerning other employees of the company in Germany, further inquiries are to be made.The Employment Agencies Act 1973 applies to employment a gencies and employment businesses—staff contractors—in Great Britain which supply workers to third parties abroad. Regulations made under the Act place specific obligations on such agencies and businesses, and failure to comply with these regulations is an offence. Complaints made to my Department are fully investigated, and the position of Depike Engineering Limited in relation to the Act is currently being examined. This Act, however, does not apply to sub-contractors who enter into work contracts. I shall write to my hon. Friend when our inquiries are complete.

United Kingdom Parliament (Legislative Powers)

asked the Attorney-General if he is satisfied that the United Kingdom Parliament retains omnicompetent legislative powers in the light of the judgment of the Court of Justice of the European Communities in the case of the Italian Tax and Revenue Administration versus S. A. Simmenthal Monza, European Law Report, 10th March 1978; and if he will make a statement.

I refer my hon. Friend to the answer I gave to the hon. Member for Banbury (Mr. Marten) on 22nd March 1978.—[Vol. 946 c. 560.]

Independent Television News

asked the Attorney-General if he will refer to the Director of Public Prosecutions the producers of Independent Television News for prosecution under the Official Secrets Act for unauthorised disclosure of classified official information on the neutron bomb, in their news broadcast on Monday 3rd April.

I have no knowledge of any unauthorised disclosure, and accordingly there is no action which I propose to take.

Social Services

Kettering (Health Centre)

37.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he expects a health centre to be opened on the Ise Village estate, Kettering.

I understand that the Northamptonshire Area Health Authority has no immediate plans to build a health centre on the Ise Village estate.

Chatham (Health Services)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what are anticipated commencement and completion dates for the construction of the health centre at Walderslade, Chatham; and if he is satisfied that the existing general practitioner and pharmaceutical services will be sufficient meanwhile to serve the expanding population of Walderslade.

Anticipated dates are: start, June 1980; completion, December 1981.I expect the health authorities concerned to maintain adequate services and have no reason to doubt that they will do so.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what are the anticipated commencement and completion dates for the construction of the health centre at Princes Park, Chatham; and if he is satisfied that until the opening of the health centre that the local population will be adequately served by general practitioner and pharmaceutical services.

Anticipated dates are: start, November 1979; completion, February 1981.I expect the health authorities concerned to maintain adequate services and have no reason to doubt that they will do so.

Blood Supplies

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will publish figures on the most convenient basis showing how much blood was supplied by the National Service to commercial hospitals, and at what cost, for the latest year for which figures are available.

In 1976, which is the latest year for which complete figures are available, 1,844,363 units of blood were collected by the National Blood Transfusion Service in England and Wales. Approximately 2 per cent. of the total was supplied to private hospitals, clinics and nursing homes either in the form of whole blood or of components. No charge is made for the blood itself or for the blood from which blood products are derived and the additional cost to the National Health Service of handling and processing this blood would be difficult to assess retrospectively. It is, however, the intention that the NHS should not be out of pocket when blood and blood products are supplied to the private sector of medicine and a scale of charges which reflect handling and processing costs will be worked out as soon as a basis for apportioning all the relevant items of expenditure has been settled.

Child Benefit

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what arrangements are being made for payment of child benefit to (a) citizens of the Republic of Ireland working in the United Kingdom in respect of children not living in the United Kingdom, (b) similarly placed workers fromy Cyprus and (c) those from India.

Broadly, child benefit, like family allowances, is paid for children resident in this country, including under EEC regulations children in the European Economic Community. Child benefit is therefore not payable for any children of a worker here remaining in Cyprus or India, but is generally payable for children remaining in the Republic of Ireland, being a member State covered by the EEC regulations.

asked the Secretary of State for Health and Social Services what recent representations he has received from widowed mothers and other similar groups who are not gaining financially from the increased child benefit and if he will make a statement.

My right hon. Friend and I have received about 250 representations and about 1,400 other inquiries have been dealt with at departmental level. Widows, like other national insurance beneficiaries, received a substantial increase in their incomes last November.

Pensions (Contributions)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what action he is taking under the new pension scheme to inform women over 60 years and men over 65 years still at work that they are no longer liable to pay national insurance contributions; and whether refund will be made of any contributions paid in error.

Information about the ending of liability for national insurance contributions of people reaching pensionable age was included in the publicity about the new contribution rates which came into effect today and in appropriate departmental leaflets. A form drawing attention to the change was included with the contribution tables issued to employers and a leaflet containing similar information is being enclosed when a self-employed or non-employed person exchanges his now-expired 1977–78 card for a new one. A note on the change is also printed on the new card.Where contributions are wrongly paid by people over pensionable age, they are refundable.

Mrs Laure Ripley

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when it is now proposed to issue a book for the payment of housewives non-contributory invalidity pension to Mrs. Laure Ripley, 18 Manscroft Road, Hemel Hempstead; on what date Mrs. Ripley was told she was eligible for this benefit; and what are the reasons for the delay in issuing the payment book.

I apologise to Mrs. Ripley for the delay in payment of her benefit. I am writing to my hon. Friend explaining the circumstances.

Pharmacists (Pay Dispute)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services why he will not allow the pharmacists' pay dispute to be referred to arbitration.

As indicated in my reply to the hon. Member for Dorset, South (Mr. King) on 23rd March—[Vol. 946, c. 717]—I have placed in the Library of the House copies of recent correspondence I have had with the chairman of the Pharmaceutical Services Negotiating Committee in which I explained the reasons for my decision. I have received a further letter from the committee and I hope to be able to reply shortly.

Chronically Sick And Disabled Persons

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will compare the services provided under Section 2 of the Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act, per 1,000 of the population, by (a) Berkshire County Council, and (b) the city of Manchester.

, pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 17th February 1978; Vol. 944, cc. 411–2], gave the following information:

The comparison in respect of 1976–77 is now updated, in the light of further information from Berkshire, as follows:

Berkshire Population 659,000

Manchester Population 490,000

Rates per 1,000 population

Households assisted with:
1. Telephones1·58·6
2. Televisions0·0*0·7
3. Personal aids3·62·4
4. Adaptations to property1·12·4
Net households assisted4·210·8
Persons assisted with holidays1·2

* The actual figure is 0·015.

NET CURRENT EXPENDITURE PER 1,000 POPULATION IN 1976–77

Berkshire

Manchester

££
1. Telephones62·36284·62
2. Televisions0·4519·61
3. Personal aids54·1886·75
4. Adaptations to property57·10255·52

These figures are net of charges paid by people receiving these services and exclude the costs of administering them.

National Finance

£1 Note

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what factors entered into his decision to reduce the surface area of the £1 note to 83·5 per cent. of the old note.

Under the Currency and Bank Notes Act 1954, the Bank of England has responsibility for the issue of bank notes of such denominations as the Treasury may approve. The decision on the size of the notes in the new series was taken by the Bank of England in 1967, and not by Treasury Ministers. The new issue was announced in a Press notice issued by the Bank in March 1968. I have asked the Bank to write to the hon. Member with an explanation of the factors behind the new issue and enclosing a copy of the Press notice.

Departmental Organisations

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will publish details of the boards, commissions, committees or other types of organisations established by his Department since October 1974, giving in each case the purpose of the organisation, the chairman's and members' salaries and expenses, and the total cost of the organisation for each year since 1974.

The Property Advisory Panel was set up in November 1975

"to provide confidential and informal advice to the Treasury on developments in the commercial property market and their implications for the financial sector generally".
The members are unpaid. The cost of the panel is nil.The Committee on Policy Optimisation was set up in June 1976

"to consider the present state of development in optimal control techniques as applied to macro-economic policy and to make recommendations concerning the feasibility and value of applying these techniques within the Treasury".

The chairman and members are unpaid. The total cost of the committee was £2,015·36 for 1976–77 and £2,585·26 for 1977–78—mainly members' travel expenses and subsistence allowances.

The Committee to Review the Functioning of Financial Institutions was set up in January 1977

"to enquire into the role and functioning at home and abroad of financial institutions in the United Kingdom and their value to the economy".

The chairman and members are unpaid. The total cost of the committee was £1,477·79 for 1976–77 and £41,297·93 for 1977–78, including, £883·56 and £5,214·74 respectively for members' travel expenses and subsistence allowances.

£ Sterling (Value)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the current value of the £ sterling compared with the value at February 1974; and, at the present rate of fall in its value, when it will reach the equivalent of 50p.

Currencies

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will publish a table showing, for each member country of the OECD, the percentage change in the trade-weighted external value of its currency since end-February 1974, arranged in descending order of appreciation.

The information is as follows:

PERCENTAGE CHANGE IN TRADE-WEIGHTED EXTERNAL VALUE OF CURRENCY SINCE END-FEBRUARY 1974
Switzerland+52
Germany+24
Austria+24
Japan+22
Netherlands+16
Belgium+13
Denmark+ 7
Norway+ 1
Sweden- 4
France- 5
United States- 7
Canada-11
United Kingdom-24
Italy-32
Effective exchange rates for other OECD countries are not calculated. But the exchange rates of most of these countries have depreciated substantially against the major currencies listed above. It is thus likely that if effective rates were available, these countries would appear at or near the bottom of the table.

Personal Taxation

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what percentage of income is retained after deduction of tax and social security payments by a married man with two children below the age of 11 years (a) on average earnings, (b) on twice average earnings, and (c) three times average earnings in each Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development country.

Bureaux De Change

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer (1) what controls are exercised by the Bank of England over the rates of exchange and commissions charged by bureaux de change trading independently of the clearing banks;(2) if he will list the powers he has to regulate the trading of bureaux de change which operate independently of the clearing banks.

Under the Exchange Control Act 1947 bureaux de change require permission from the Bank of England to deal in foreign currency. The principal conditions are that foreign currency receipts must be sold regularly to an authorised bank; transactions must be effected at rates in line with those quoted by authorised banks; quarterly returns of total foreign currency handled must be made to the Bank of England; and the rates of exchange offered and the commission charged must be displayed clearly and permanently during business hours.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if in the interests of the tourist trade he is satisfied that the rates of exchange and commissions charged by bureaux de change, operating independently of the clearing banks, are in line with those of the clearing banks.

Bureaux de change are required by exchange control to effect transactions at rates of exchange in line with those of the clearing banks. The commissions they charge do have to reflect the costs of providing a service outside normal banking hours and at weekends.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he has discussed with the British Tourist Authority the recent proliferation of bureaux de change trading independently of the clearing banks, in view of the high commissions charged and unfavourable exchange rates offered to tourists.

There have been recent discussions between the British Tourist Authority and the Bank of England, which administer exchange control on the Treasury's behalf and keep the development of bureaux de change under constant review.

Tax Allowances (Children Overseas)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will refuse to allow any tax concession for children overseas where the wife has made no application to join her husband in the United Kingdom during the last five years.

, pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 4th April 1978], gave the following answer:

I have noted my hon. Friend's suggestion.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will allow the head of immigrant households with children overseas to continue to claim a tax allowance for a maximum period of 12 months from the child benefit scheme coming into effect, provided that the number of children overseas is clearly stated, and that no tax concessions be allowed for any children born overseas after 1st April 1978.

, pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 4th April 1978], gave the following information:The Finance Act 1977 contained a provision whereby the general reduction in child tax allowances for 1977–78—the first year of child benefits—does not apply to the parents of certain non-resident children. This provision appears to meet my hon. Friend's point.

Council Of Ministers

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what was the outcome of the Council of Ministers (Agriculture) meeting in Luxembourg on 4th and 5th April.

I represented the United Kingdom at this meeting accompanied by my hon. Friend the Parliamentary Secretary and the Under-Secretaries of State to the Scottish Office and Department of Prices and Consumer Protection.This Council was mainly devoted to a detailed examination of the Commission's proposals for 1978–79 farm prices and related measures. I argued against any price increases for products in structural surplus and I supported the concept of more flexible intervention arrangements for beef and skimmed milk powder. No decisions were taken. Many Ministers expressed serious concern about the effects on farm incomes in their countries if the Commision's restrictive price policy was endorsed. The Commission said that proposals to revise the calculation of monetary compensatory amounts on a number of products, including pigmeat products, would come forward in time for them to form part of the price package.

There was a further discussion of the Commission's proposals for safeguarding the essential functions of the milk marketing boards. Some delegations expressed the fear that the boards could distort competition by using returns from liquid milk to subsidise the production of milk products. But no arguments were advanced against the principle that provision should be made for the continuation of the boards. The Council will be returning to this subject at its next meeting.

The Council continued its discussion of a package of measures proposed by the Commission to deal with the problems of agriculture in the Mediterranean region. I welcomed the general emphasis on correcting underlying structural deficiencies rather than applying more rigid import controls or internal support measures, and I emphasised in particular the importance of the measures concerned being cost-effective.

The Commission announced its proposals for a common regime for sheepmeat, including a variable import charge, which would never exceed the current 20 per cent. tariff, and provisions for aid for private storage to deal with short term production fluctuations. The proposals will need technical examination before decisions can be taken by the Council, but my initial view is that they provide a useful basis for negotiation.

The Council agreed on aids to hop producers on the 1977 crop, subject to the opinions of the European Assembly, but at rates slightly above those proposed by the Commission. The arrangements include the payment of aid on second year hops which will be of substantial benefit to producers in the United Kingdom.

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

Thames Flood Barrier

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what proposals he has received from the Greater London Council for speeding up completion of the Thames flood barrier; and what additional costs are involved.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how much of the costs of work on the Thames barrier associated ancillary works has been met by central Government, the Greater London Council and the river authorities, respectively.

Expenditure on work on the Thames barrier and associated works up to 31st December 1977 has been met as follows:

BarrierAssociated works
£ million£ million
Exchequer grant5633
Greater London Council265
Water authorities8

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food when it is expected that all ancillary work connected with the Thames barrier, downstream of the barrier, will be completed.

Under the present programme the downstream defences are scheduled for completion by the estimated date of completion of the barrier in late 1982.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what proportion of the costs of work on the Thames barrier has been met by central Government, and what proportion by the Greater London Council.

The rate of Government grant payable to the Greater London Council in respect of the barrier was raised from 65 per cent. to 75 per cent. with effect from 1st April 1975.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food to what he attributes the rise in cost of both the Thames barrier and its associated ancillary works.

In the case of the barrier, about 85 per cent. of the increase in estimated cost given in my answer of 9th March to my hon. Friend the Member for Woolwich, East (Mr. Cartwright) is attributed to wage and price increases, and the remainder to changes in the programme and construction methods. Of the corresponding increase for the associated flood defences 91 per cent. is attributable to wage and price increases and the remainder to changed construction methods offset by design savings.—[Vol. 945, c. 747–8.]

Common Fisheries Policy

asked the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food when he last discussed fishing matters with his EEC colleagues; and if he will make a statement.

Fishing matters were last discussed at a meeting of the Council of Fisheries Ministers in Luxembourg on 3rd April 1978.At this meeting the Council agreed to extend until 30th April the interim fishing arrangements with Norway, Sweden and the Faroe Islands. The Council also agreed to meet again on 24th April to resume the discussions on a revised internal fisheries policy as well as the third country arrangements.

Egg Producers (France)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will raise in the EEC Council of Ministers the fact that egg producers in France receive special interest-free loans for capital investment in new poultry houses and ask for a ruling on whether this is within the Community rules

I am not aware that any such interest-free loans are being given to French egg producers, but if the hon. Member has any further information perhaps he will send it to me.

Thames Flood Defences

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what is the estimated probability of the Thames breaking its existing flood defences in any one year.

The risk of the tidal Thames reaching the level of the present defences is on average of the order of 50–1 against in any particular year.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many flood alerts there have been in London for each flood season since 1970–71.

No public flood warnings were issued in central London during this period. The number of alerts for which the London Flood Room was manned and the number of public flood warnings issued in the area of Greater London bordering the Thames above Chiswick Eyot were as follows:

SeasonAlertsPublic warnings in 'upstream' London
1970–7171
1971–723
1972–738
1973–74173
1974–75265
1975–76201
1976–77
1977–78 (to 5th April 1978)11

Transport

Macclesfield (Inner Relief Road)

asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will publish in the Official Report the various routes of the proposed Macclesfield inner relief road to be considered during the forthcoming consultation of the public; and if he will publish full details of the arrangements for the consultation.

We are still considering the choice of routes. Details of the consultation arrangements will be published as soon as practicable and I will ensure that a copy of the consultation document is then sent to the hon. Member.

Concessionary Fares

asked the Secretary of State for Transport how many local authorities operate concessionary fares schemes for retirement pensioners in their areas under a "permits" system, how many under a "tokens system", and how many arrange free transport upon proof of retirement.

A survey carried out in England and Wales in August 1976 showed that 118 local authorities issued passes to elderly people in their areas entitling them to reduced fares on buses; 130 authorities operated schemes involving the use of tokens; 25 issued passes for free travel.

asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will list the bus companies that have concluded agreements with local authorities for a "permits" system for concessionary fares to retirement pensioners, those that have concluded agreements for a "tokens" system, and those that provide free transport upon proof of retirement.

I regret that this information is not available in the Department and could be obtained only at disproportionate cost.

asked the Secretary of State for Transport how many retirement pensioners are eligible for concessionary fares on buses in their areas, how many of those qualify under "permits" schemes, how many under "tokens" schemes, and how many obtain bus transport free upon proof of retirement.

In 1976 an estimated 7·1 million persons of pensionable age in England and Wales were eligible for travel concessions. Of those taking up the concession, 2·16 million held passes allowing them free travel on buses, 1·87 million had passes allowing travel at reduced rates and 1·10 million received tokens.

Hunton Bridge—Maple Cross

asked the Secretary of State for Transport why he has not yet fully replied to the letter of 14th December from the hon. Member for Hertfordshire, South-West concerning the resurfacing of the Hunton Bridge—Maple Cross section of the London outer orbital route; and if he will undertake to do so as a matter of urgency.

I very much regret the length of time it took to reply to the hon. Member's letter. This was due to the complex technical nature of the matters raised. My reply was sent on 3rd April.

asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will as a matter of urgency provide a transcript of the inquiries relating to the Hunton Bridge—Maple Cross section of the outer orbital route in order to locate the undertaking given about the resurfacing of that route.

In my letter to the hon. Member of 3rd April I have suggested arrangements to meet this point. I do not feel that the amount of work involved in providing a transcript of the public inquiry would be justified.

Scotland

Rheumatism And Arthritis

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will consider producing a White Paper on the problems of rheumatism and arthritis in Scotland.

While my right hon. Friend does not consider that a White Paper would at present make any significant contribution to progress, he fully recognises the need to alleviate suffering by continuing efforts in improving patient care and through research. The White Paper "The Health Service in Scotland: The Way Ahead" gives guidance to health boards on broad priorities, and these include the need for improvements in hospital and community health services for the physically handicapped. My right hon. Friend attaches great importance to research and keeps in close touch with the Medical Research Council and other bodies about priorities in this field.

19661976Percentage change
Average number of beds available daily62,26860,038-3·6
Number of in-patients treated640,950709,056+10·6
Total out-patient attendances7,966,4698,631,676+ 8·4
Note: In each case the figures relate to the 12 months ending 30th September. The figures reflect a general trend towards shorter duration of stay in hospital, which has been assisted by the provision of new accommodation and facilities in place of a larger number of beds in smaller, fragmented units; as a result, the service has been able to treat more patients in fewer beds.

Teachers

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will make a statement on his proposals on fees for in-service training for teachers; what waivers he is prepared to consider; and whether he anticipates that the current take-up rate on such courses will be maintained when the fees are changed.

Consultations are proceeding with the colleges of education and my right hon. Friend is not yet in a position to make a statement.

Nurses (Employment)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many nurses are now unemployed in Scotland.

Licensed Premises

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many applications have been received by licensing boards in Scotland for afternoon opening under Section 64 of the 1976 Licensing (Scotland) Act; how many licences have been granted; and if he will make a statement.

I am making inquiries about applications under Section 64(3) at the March meetings of licensing boards and will make a statement when my inquiries are complete.

Hospital Patients

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will publish a table in the Official Report showing, in 1966 and 1976, the average number of beds available daily in the National Health Service in Scotland, the number of in-patients treated in each year, and the total number of out-patients attendances; and if he will express these figures as a percentage increase or decrease over the 10 years.

On 8th December 1977 there were 746 trained nurses registered as unemployed in Scotland.

Energy

Gas Council

asked the Secretary of State for Energy if he will publish in the Official Report figures showing the rate of return on capital employed, earned by the Gas Council during each of the last 20 years.

The rates of return on capital employed before allowing for interest earned by the British Gas Corporation—formerly the Gas Council—are as follows:

PERCENTAGE RETURN BEFORE INTEREST
1957–584·1
1958–593·3
1959–603·3
1960–614·1
1961–624·4
1962–634·5
1963–645·2
1964–655·9
1965–665·4
1966–674·8
1967–683·7
1968–696·5
1969–706·5
1970–716·2
1971–727·4
1972–737·4
1973–745·6
1974–756·1
1975–768·8
1976–779·3

asked the Secretary of State for Energy if he will publish in the Official Report figures showing the net surplus or deficit earned in each of the last 20 years by the Gas Council.

The surpluses/deficits earned by the British Gas Corporation—formerly the Gas Council—since 1957–58 are as follows:

£ million
1958–592·8
1957–581·5
1959–60-2·4
1960–612·0
1961–623·3
1962–634·9
1963–649·6
1964–6515·2
1965–6611·1
1966–673·9
1967–68-12·9
1968–6917·5
1969–7012·8
1970–711·1*
1971–7217·0*
1972–735·7*
1973–74-41·3*
1974–75-30·8*
1975–7625·1
1976–7731·5
*These figures exclude Government compensation for price restraint.

North Sea Oil (Pollution Hazards)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade if, in view of the hazards to shipping and fishing boats now present in the North Sea due to oil operations, he will initiate an insurance scheme for compensation for fishermen against damage.

, pursuant to the reply [Official Report, 20th March 1978; Vol. 946, c. 433], gave the following further information:Fishing boats are normally insured privately by their owners. This covers unattributable damage, but in cases where the operator responsible can be identified a claim in respect of damage to either vessel or fishing gear can be made against the company concerned. Damage to fishing gear due to unattributable oil-related debris is covered by a separate compensation scheme funded by the United Kingdom Offshore Operators' Association. These arrangements are discussed regularly in the Fisheries and Offshore Oil Consultative Group on which my Department is represented.

Defence

Frigates

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will consider the stationing of an element of the new generation of frigates at Rosyth.

Although there are no plans to allocate Type 21 or Type 22 frigates to Rosyth, an element of the frigate force will continue to be based there.

Neutron Bomb

asked the Secretary of State for Defence by whose authority the technical information on the neutron bomb which was used by ITN in its news broadcast on Monday 3rd April was disclosed to ITN before it had been made known to the House of Commons.

As my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister made clear on Tuesday 4th April, the Government are not responsible for the statements made by ITN or any of the news media on this issue.

Helicopters

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is to be the role of the Sea King squadron at present aboard HMS "Ark Royal" after she is withdrawn; whether it will operate from HMS "Bulwark"; what is to be the role of HMS "Bulwark"; when she is expeted to be withdrawn from service; and whether she will be replaced by HMS "Invincible" and when HMS "Invincible" should join the fleet.

The Sea King squadron at present embarked on HMS "Ark Royal" will continue to be used in the anti-submarine [ASW] role. It will be based at RNAS Culdrose and will be available for operation, as required, from the large RFAs and other ships, including HMS "Bulwark". HMS "Bulwark" will be employed primarily in the ASW role to increase our operational effectiveness until the new ASW cruisers enter service. She will also be able to contribute to our amphibious lift capability. She will run as long as is necessary. With regard to HMS "Invincible", as I said in my reply to the hon. Member for Harrogate (Mr. Banks) on 16th November 1977, it is not the normal practice to publish advance information, except for the current year, about planned acceptance dates for new ships.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what will be the other roles of the Wessex helicopters to be replaced by the Chinook to which he referred in his reply to the hon. Member for Tynemouth of 24th February.

The other roles of these RAF Wessex helicopters are planned to be search and rescue, communications and training.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many Whirlwind and Wessex helicopters will remain in the RAF search and rescue force after the introduction of the Sea Kings.

1. In Service:
(a) Aircraft(i) Carrier based—Buccaneers with bombs, rockets or Martel Phantoms with bombs, rockets.
(ii) Land based—Buccaneers with bombs, rockets or Martel.
(b) HelicoptersWasp, with AS 12 missiles.
(c) SubmarinesConventional or nuclear submarines, armed with torpedoes.
2. Planned (Early 1980's):
(a) Aircraft(i) Ship borne—Sea Harrier with bombs, rockets or P3T missiles.
(ii) Land based—Buccaneers and Tornado with bombs, rockets or P3T missiles.
(b) HelicoptersLynx, with Sea Skua.
(c) SubmarinesUSGW (Sub-Harpoon) for SSNs

Naval Air Cover

On present plans a force of four Whirlwinds will be retained in the search and rescue [SAR] role in the United Kingdom until about 1982; the United Kingdom Wessex SAR force will then be increased from six to 10 and the Whirlwinds phased out of service. Some Wessex will also serve overseas in the dual roles of support and SAR.

Chieftain Tank Regiments

asked the Secretary of State for Defence, what are the two armoured regiments in the United Kingdom equipped with Chieftain tanks; where they are located; and what is the peace-time role of each.

The regiments are the United Kingdom Armoured Regiment, based in South-West District, and the Royal Armoured Corps Training Regiment, based in North-East District. The peacetime role of each is in support of the United Kingdom land forces and, in particular, the training organisation.

Anti-Ship Operations

asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he will give further particulars of the aircraft, helicopters and submarines referred to in his reply to the hon. Member for Tynemouth of 10th March 1977, as providing anti-ship operations at ranges beyond that of Exocet indicating the weapons concerned in each case; and when they will enter front-line service.

Systems capable of providing anti-ship operations at ranges beyond that of Exocet are:Buccaneer and Phantom squadrons are to be replaced on an equal basis by two new RAF squadrons when they are disbanded; and what is to provide civilian radar cover for the Navy in the place of the Navy's Gannet AEW aircraft other than existing RAF aircraft after HMS "Ark Royal" is scrapped at the end of 1978 and before the AEW Nimrod comes into service in several years' time.

While a new RAF Buccaneer squadron will be formed, it is not at present planned to form a new RAF Phantom squadron. Existing RAF squadrons will be augmented to maintain the overall strength of the Phantom force. Since the RAF's Shackleton AEW force was formed specifically to provide land based AEW cover for the Fleet after the withdrawal of the aircraft carriers, no additional cover is planned.

War Stocks

asked the Secretary of State for Defence to what extent each of the figures for expenditure on war stocks in 1975–76, 1976–77 and 1977–78 given in his answer of 10th March 1978 to the hon. Member for Tynemouth represented increases in such stocks in real terms.

There has been no change in the general level of war stocks over these years. Most of the expenditure referred to was needed for the maintenance of war stocks of ammunition and weapons at their present levels by refurbishment or replenishment and for the replacement of ageing or obsolete items. However, as my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Defence said in reply to a Question from the hon. Member for Stretford (Mr. Churchill) on 7th March—[Vol. 945, c. 630.]—it is our intention to increase stocks of anti-armour and other critical munitions by one-third.

Service Personnel (Working Hours)

asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he will publish figures giving examples of the average weekly hours worked by typical members of the Services and of the maximum hours regularly worked by a significant number of Service men and women.

Working hours vary from unit to unit and from week to week, depending on operational needs. Overall statistics of the type requested by the hon. Member are not maintained.

Army Manpower

asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he will give examples of the reductions in units and establishments which will lead to a further cut of 3,200 in the strength of the Army and to which he replied in his reply to the hon. Member for Tynemouth of 27th February.

As I have explained previously, the Army's restructuring plan involves changes in the size and organisation of practically every formation, unit and establishment in the Service. Restructuring is now in its final stages and the reductions referred to are being implemented in those units and establishments not previously affected. It is not the practice to give details of individual unit strengths.

Hong Kong

asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many naval vessels have been involved during 1977 in Hong Kong waters in patrols associated with the repatriation of refugees to China; and how many such refugees have been handled by the Royal Navy.

There are five Royal Navy patrol craft in Hong Kong which support the Hong Kong Marine Police in a number of ways including the interception of illegal immigrants. The Royal Navy is not involved in the repatriation of illegal immigrants. This is a matter for the Hong Kong Government.

Environment

Housing Associations (Birmingham)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what steps he will take to improve the administrative arrangements of the Housing Corporation to reduce delays in the conversion and improvement programmes of housing associations in Birmingham.

The Housing Corporation is introducing a streamlined procedure for the acquisition and rehabilitation of existing properties. The regional office of the corporation is hoping shortly to enter into agreements with a number of housing associations operating in the Birmingham area which will bring this procedure into operation.

House Building (Waveney)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many houses were completed in the Waveney District Council area in each of the last 10 years; and what proportion was built by the council.

901 dwellings were completed in the Waveney District Council area in 1977, of which 255, representing 28 per cent. were built by the council. Figures for earlier years appear in issues 9, 13, 17, 21, 25, 29, 33, 37, 41 of Local Housing Statistics, copies of which are available in the Library.

Chiswick House

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what representations he has received from the Historic Buildings Council about the plans to build an annexe to Chiswick House.

The Historic Buildings Council, which I consulted informally about the proposals, has recommended against the new building in its proposed size and form and considers a study is needed of the arrangements for the house and gardens as a whole.

Ministry Of Defence Houses, Throsk

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will make a statement about the progress of the negotiations for the sale of the Ministry of Defence houses in the village of Throsk, Stirlingshire.

The Stirling District Council has agreed to buy 63 Ministry of Defence houses in the village of Throsk, Stirlingshire and missives have been exchanged.The two detached houses which the council does not wish to acquire will be offered for sale shortly.

Commission On Energy And The Environment

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will now make a further announcement about the membership of the Commission on Energy and the Environment.

On 2nd March I announced the establishment of the Commission on Energy and the Environment.—[Vol. 945, c. 330.]The following have now also accepted the Government's invitation to serve on the Commission under the Chairmanship of Sir Brian Flowers FRS.Mrs. V. Milligan, BA, C Eng, MIEEMrs. N. E. McIntoshR. N. Bottini, CBEG. McGuire, OBED. E. T. Williams, MA, LLB

Domestic Rates

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is his latest estimate of average increases in domestic rates in England and Wales in 1978; and how this compares with the Rating and Valuation Association's figure of 11 per cent.

On the basis of a 92 per cent. sample, the average domestic rates rise in England and Wales in 1978 will be 9·7 per cent. This estimate is a weighted average which takes account of differences in the size of local authorities, and hence of the average rates increase faced by domestic rate payers. The Rating and Valuation Association's figures are based on the average increase in rates decided by authorities and are not adjusted to allow for differences in the size of authorities.

Departmental Organisations

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will publish details of the boards, commissions, committees or other types of organisations established by his Department since October 1974, giving in each case the purpose of the organisation, the chairman's and members' salaries and expenses, and the total cost of the organisation for each year since 1974.

Details of the bodies set up since October 1974 are given below. Neither the chairmen nor the members of these bodies are or were salaried, though some are and were paid fees. Details of the expenses paid to the chairmen and members could be compiled only at a disproportionate cost to public funds.

A. LIST OF EXISTING BODIES SET UP SINCE OCTOBER 1974

Name of Body

Date set up

Membership

Salaries/Fees

Purpose

Area Archaeological Advisory Committees (13).1975Each Committee consists of a Chairman and not more than 17 members.All unpaidTo advise on policies and priorities for surveys and rescue excavations, on applications for grants and on the need for support facilities to ensure completion and publication for reports.
Commission of Energy and Environment.Set up jointly by the Secretaries of State for Energy, Environment, Scotland and Wales in March 1978.Chairman plus 10 members.All unpaidTo advise on the inter-action between energy policy and the environment.
Committee on Recreation Management Training.December 1976Chairman plus 10 members.All unpaidTo review and make recommendations on the training of staff (in both the public and private sectors) in the management of resources and facilities for sport whether outdoors or indoors and all forms of outdoor recreation, whether in town or country.
Committee on Sculpture in the Royal Parks.March 1977Chairman plus 8 members (includes 2 civil servants).All unpaidTo supervise arrangements for exhibitions of sculpture in the Royal Parks.
Construction Industry Manpower Board.February 1976Chairman plus 6 members.Chairman receives £26 per day, all the members are unpaid.To advise on: (a) the extent and effect of sub-contracting by the self-employed in the construction industry in the light of Government measures to tackle the abuses of 'the lump' and of developments in the industry generally, and on (b) the desirability of statutory or other measures to increase the stability of employment in the construction industry and, in particular, the desirability of establishing a statutory authority to implement measures for that purpose which could also include a register of employers and employees.
Detergents and Allied Products—Voluntary Notification Scheme, Scrutiny Group.1976Chairman plus 8 members (includes 4 civil servants).Chairman receives £15·75 per day, all the members are unpaid.To consider notifications made to DoE by manufacturers who are proposing either a change in the formulation of an existing product or the introduction of a new material which, in their opinion, may leave a significant effect on the environment; to evaluate information supplied with notifications and to make further enquiries as necessary. To advise the Secretary of State in the event of difficulties arising in reaching agreement with the manufacturer as to the environmental acceptability of the product.

Name of Body

Date set up

Membership

Salaries/Fees

Purpose

Hadrian's Wall Advisory Committee.November 1977Chairman plus 9 members.All unpaidTo advise the Department on archaeological research and rescue policies on Hadrian's Wall, on the protection and preservation of the monuments, and, when appropriate, upon all other archaeological matters relating to the Roman frontier system.
Hadrian's Wall Museum Liaison Committee.January 1978Chairman plus 6 members.All unpaidTo link the museums in the Hadrian's Wall area for the exchange of ideas, expertise, the co-ordination of policy and, where appropriate, the policy of resources to the mutual benefit of the institutions concerned.
Housing Corporation Advisory Committee on Co-operatives.January 1976Chairman plus 12 members.All unpaidTo provide guidance to the Housing Corporation in their role of advising housing co-operatives.
Housing Services Advisory Group.December 1975Chairman plus 13 members.All unpaid(i) To consider the form and role of the Housing Service Advisory Unit; (ii) to identify the field which the Housing Service should embrace; (iii) to identify, examine and provide guidance on the handling of specific issues.
New Towns Staff CommissionNovember 1976Chairman plus 2 members.Chairman receives £26 per day, all members £22 per day.To provide advice on the arrangements necessary for the protection of the interests of staff affected by housing transfer schemes.
Ordnance Survey Review Committee.January 1978Chairman, Deputy Chairman plus 8 members (includes 2 civil servants).Chairman receives £27 per day, all the other members are unpaid.Taking account of the views of users and other interested parties, in the context of national surveying and mapping needs, to consider and make recommendations about the longer term policies and activities of the Ordnance survey and ways of financing them.
Regional Councils For Sport and Recreation (9).1976Each Council consists of a Chairman, Vice/Deputy Chairman and not more than 5 members.All unpaidThe aims of the regional councils are to prepare long term strategies for the provision of sport and recreation facilities in their regions.
Scientific Authority for AnimalsJanuary 1976Chairman plus 13 members.All unpaidTo advise the Department on the operation in the United Kingdom of the Washington Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora which is implemented in this country by the Endangered Species (Import and Export) Act 1976.

Name of Body

Date set up

Membership

Salaries/Fees

Purpose

Waste Management Advisory Council.December 1974Joint Chairmen (Ministers of DoE and DTI). The Council is currently being reorganised and membership is likely to be reduced from 32 to 16 members.All unpaidTo keep under review the development of waste management policies in the United Kingdom having regard to the need to secure the best use of resources and the safe and efficient disposal of wastes; to give particular consideration to ways of reclaiming materials from waste, recycling techniques, the inter-relationship of waste utilisation and waste disposal and the reduction on transformation of waste arising; to consider the technical, economic, administrative and legal problems involved; to consider the programme of research and development and to make recommendations.

B. LIST OF BODIES SET UP SINCE OCTOBER 1974 BUT NOW DISBANDED

Name of Body

Date set up

Membership

Salaries/Fees

Purpose

Advisory Group on Commercial Property Development (The Pilcher Group).January 1975Chairman plus 9 members.All unpaidTo examine the arrangements for carrying out development of commercial property and the part played by investors, developers and local authorities; to consider how these may change; and to advise the Secretary of State, either generally or on issues referred to them.
Committee of Inquiry into Remuneration of Members of Local Authorities (Robinson Committee).November 1976Chairman plus 4 members.Chairman received £25 per day, all members received £21 per day.To examine all aspects, other than traveling and subsistence allowances, of the present system of payment under the Local Government Act 1972 and the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973 of local authority elected and co-opted members including any anomalies in the system, consideration of its alleged abuses and its social security implications; to consider alternative systems and their consequences; and, having regard to the requirements of pay policy and the present severe constraints on local authority expenditure, to make recommendations.

Name of Body

Date set up

Membership

Salaries/Fees

Purpose

Construction Exports Advisory Board.August 1975Chairman, Vice-Chairman plus 9 members (includes 2 civil servants).All unpaidTo advise the Secretaries of State for the Environment and for Trade on the selection of firms or groups of firms to pursue particular construction projects overseas; and generally, on ways of harnessing additional resources in the constructional industries, and associated professions, to meet export opportunities.
Construction Industry Liaison Group.March 1975Chairman (Minister for Housing and Construction or the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State) plus 9 members.All members were unpaid.To consider and keep under regular review the situation in the construction industry, with particular reference to the balance of supply and demand and the planning and other measures needed to enable them to meet future increases in demand quickly and economically.
Housing Policy Review Advisory Group.April 1975Chairman plus 14 members.All unpaidTo monitor the work undertaken within the Government on housing matters, so as to ensure that it is adequate and consistent with outside experience.

Marine Pollution

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when Her Majesty's Government intend to ratify the Paris Convention for the prevention of marine pollution from land-based sources in view of its imminent entry into force.

Her Majesty's ambassador in Paris is today depositing with the French Government the United Kingdom's instrument of ratification. This is the seventh ratification and as such enables the convention to be brought into force in a month's time.

National Library

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what special assistance is being provided for Camden council for the acquisition of properties in Bloomsbury not now needed for the National Library; and what help is available for improvments and rehabilitation made necessary by blight resulting from years of planning indecision by the Government.

I understand that the council is carrying out surveys of the residential properties in which it is interested, in order to establish the size of the problem. Normal housing subsidies will be available to the council, and historic building grant may also be available for some of the work.

Museums And Galleries

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will introduce legislation requiring mandatory rate support for the arts, which would lay on obligation on county councils, in consultation with district councils, to ensure adequate provision of museum and gallery facilities in their areas.

I have been asked to reply.It is for local authorities to determine, in the light of their own circumstances, what expenditure is appropriate on museums and galleries in their own areas; allowance is made for such expenditure in the rate support grant. It would not be desirable or feasible to compel authorities to spend a specific amount or proportion of their revenue on a particular service.

Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

Secretary Of State (Photographs)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs why he will not give for the longest and most convenient period of time since he became Foreign Secretary the number of photographs of himself he has had printed, the number signed and circulated, to whom, at what costs to public funds and the reasons for the photographs.

My right hon. Friend sees no reason to do so. It would involve a disproportionate effort, and it is longstanding practice that official photographs of Ministers are made available, in particular for use overseas and for presentation on official visits abroad.

Departmental Organisations

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will publish details of the boards, commissions, committees or other types of organisations established by his Department since October 1974, giving in each case the purpose of the organisation, the chairman's and members' salaries and expenses, and the total cost of the organisation for each year since 1974.

The only such organisation established by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office since October 1974 is an inquiry into the supply of petroleum and petroleum products to Rhodesia in breach of United Nations sanctions. The rates of remuneration agreed for its members, which are similar to those for company investigations undertaken by the Department of Trade, are as follows:

Head of Inquiry, £100 per day.
Assistant to Head of Inquiry £26·90 per hour.
Adviser on petroleum affairs £25 per hour.
In addition, a firm of chartered accountants has been retained by the group to provide administrative services. The total cost of the inquiry from its inception in May 1977 up to 31st March 1978 is £61,694.

Anglo-Soviet Cultural Agreement

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether he will suspend the Anglo-Soviet cultural agreement in view of the Soviet Government's treatment of the cellist Mstislav Rostropovich.

No. The Soviet Government are fully aware of our views about their treatment of artists and others such as Mr Rostropovich, but we continue to believe that the Anglo-Soviet cultural agreement, which increases the contacts between Britain and the Soviet Union, helps the cause of artists in both countries.

Council Of Ministers

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on the last meeting of the Council of Ministers.

A Joint Council of Foreign and Finance Ministers was held in Luxembourg on the afternoon of 3rd April. I represented the United Kingdom together with my right hon. Friend the Minister of State, Treasury. The Council discussed the development of the Community budget and general priorities for expenditure. There was general agreement on the need to direct resources where they could be used most efficiently and constructively, particularly in the economic and social sectors. We pointed out that the Community budget was still dominated by agricultural expenditure and that this basic problem could only be tackled by curbing the costs of the CAP.My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Trade and I represented the United Kingdom at a meeting of the Foreign Affairs Council and a ministerial meeting with Greece on 3rd and 4th April.The Foreign Affairs Council reviewed preparations for items likely to be discussed at the meeting of the European Council on 7th and 8th April including in particular, the economic and social situation in the Community and the choice of dates for the first direct elections to the European Assembly. The Council gave approval for the conclusion of arrangements on steel imports from Japan and South Africa and, in principle, for arrangements with Spain and Czechoslovakia. It reviewed the results of Commissioner Haferkamp's visit to Tokyo and agreed that the dialogue with Japan should be continued with a view to the reduction of the Japanese trade and payments surpluses.

The Council discussed the industrial tariff offers tabled by the Community's main negotiating partners in the GATT multilateral trade negotiations and agreed that the Commission should press for improvements in these offers, and at the same time inform the Community's partners of the nature of likely withdrawals from the Community's own original offer.

Agreement in principle was reached on autonomous concessions for agricultural products which the Community will grant to Cyprus for the period 1st April-30th June pending entry into force of the new agricultural agreement between the Community and Cyprus. The autonomous concessions will be made retroactive to apply from 1st April.

In the negotiating session with Greece agreement was reached on questions relating to the Customs union, and on certain principles to apply to the adoption by Greece of the Community's obligations in the field of external trade relations.

There was further discussion of proposals for amendments to the Community staff regulations. France and the Danish Presidency raised the problem of oil pollution. COREPER will begin an urgent study of the problems of shipwrecks and their after-effects and the need for any further international action in this field.

Brazil (Travel Deposit)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will raise with the Government of Brazil the effect on British citizens resident there of recent legislation obliging those who wish to leave Brazil temporarily on business or on holiday to deposit for one year interest-free bonds for £750.

The travel deposit is levied on all persons resident in Brazil on a permanent basis; Brazilians and non-Brazilians alike. We appreciate that this may cause problems for some British nationals and have been advising them as well as discussing the matter with the British Chamber of Commerce and Trade. We do not consider that there are grounds on which to base a case for exemption for those living in Brazil on permanent visas.

Rhodesia

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs when was the last occasion when he raised the question of Rhodesian sanctions breaking by Great Britain's EEC partners in the United Nations, and with what results.

Full details of cases of sanctions breaking prior to 31st December 1977 are published in the 10th Report of the Security Council Committee established in pursuance of Resolution 253 of 1968, a copy of which is in the Library of the House. The countries we have named so far this year include some EEC member States. Details of notes sent to the United Nations remain confidential until they are published by the Sanctions Committee.

Lesotho

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what response the United Kingdom will make to the appeal by Lesotho for emergency assistance arising from the blockading of its border with the Transkei region of South Africa.

We have previously pledged £2 million towards the programme of emergency assistance recommended by a United Nations mission to Lesotho in 1977. We await the report of a further United Nations mission to Lesotho sent in response to the Government's appeal to the United Nations Secretary General.

China (Refugees)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if it is the policy of Her Majesty's Government to use the Navy forcibly to repatriate to China refugees escaping to Hong Kong.

No. The Hong Kong Marine Police are supported by the Royal Navy in a number of tasks, including the prevention of illegal immigration. But the decision on whether to repatriate illegal immigrants is taken by the Hong Kong Government.

Industry

Aircraft And Shipbuilding

asked the Secretary of State for Industry whether he will place in the Library copies of the last available accounts for each of the companies nationalised under the Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act so that Members may be aware of the assets acquired for the nation.

Lucas Aerospace

asked the Secretary of State for Industry what discussions took place between his Department and Lucas Aerospace before it declared its recent redundancies; what discussions have taken place with it in relation to the corporate plan drawn up by the shop stewards within Lucas Aerospace; what talks have been held between his Department and the trade unions in Lucas Aerospace; and whether the corporate plan has been discussed with them.

Representatives of the company's management advised the Department of their proposals for reorganisation of Lucas Aerospace on 14th March and met my hon. Friend the Minister of State for Industry on 15th March at his request. I understand that the company subsequently met the Confederation of Shipbuilding and Engineering Unions. The Government are also discussing with the Lucas group the range of regional incentives available to companies in the assisted area. With a view to encouraging detailed discussion between management and unions the corporate plan drawn up by the shop stewards in Lucas Aerospace has been raised on a number of occasions both with the company and the CSEU.

Requirement Boards

asked the Secretary of State for Industry how many proposals put before requirement boards in the last 12 months have been rejected because of inadequate market information to assess the value of the proposal before the boards.

Market prospects are usually mentioned by the board secretariat in preliminary discussions with an organisation to ensure that the proposal goes forward with such information. Over the last 12 months no proposal has been rejected because of inadequate market information; however, in several cases only short-term approval has been given to enable the organisation to improve the information supporting the proposal.

Northern Ireland

Ira (Arms Supplies)

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what information he has about the supply of arms by Palestinian terrorists to the IRA.

Some arms destined for the IRA have come from the Middle East but there is no firm information that these have been supplied by Palestinian terrorists.

Murders And Terrorists

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland (1) of those persons whom the Royal Ulster Constabulary wishes to question about murders committed in Northern Ireland during the last nine years, how many are now believed to be resident in the Republic of Ireland;(2) of those persons who have (

a) broken bail, or ( b) escaped from prison or other detention centres in Northern Ireland during the last nine years, how many are believed to be resident in the Republic of Ireland;

(3) how many persons, now believed to be living in the Republic of Ireland, the Royal Ulster Constabulary wishes to question about terrorist type offences in Northern Ireland.

The number and whereabouts of persons whom the RUC wish to question about offences committed in Northern Ireland are operational matters for the Chief Constable.

Social Services Drivers (Work-To-Rule)

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will give an estimate of the waste of financial resources due to elderly and handicapped people not being able to commute to the day and craft centres because of the work-to-rule by the social services drivers in Northern Ireland.

The average additional costs incurred by the Eastern Health and Social Services Board as a result of the industrial action being taken by welfare drivers in Belfast is as follows:

£ (per day)
Costs arising from the use of alternative means of transport22·30
Cost of providing additional assistance to persons confined to their homes (home help, meals-on-wheels)4·25

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what alternative means of transport to day and craft centres in East Belfast and Castlereagh are being deployed in respect of those elderly and handicapped people who are being affected by the social services drivers' work-to-rule in Northern Ireland.

It is estimated that in the East Belfast and Castlereagh district over 85 per cent. of all clients usually requiring transport are being collected and that about a further 9 per cent. are using their own or private means of transport. As I indicated in my reply to the hon. Member for Belfast, East (Mr. Craig) on 21st March 1978—[Vol. 946 c. 534]—I have asked the Eastern Health and Social Services Board to re-examine the level of provision of alternative means of transport in this district.

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many elderly and handicapped people are confined to their homes as a result of the social services drivers' work-to-rule in Northern Ireland.

I have nothing to add to the reply I gave to the hon. Member for Belfast, East (Mr. Craig) on 21st March 1978.—[Vol. 946, c. 534.]

Concessionary Fares

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will retain the present level of concessionary bus fares in respect of those who are 70 years old in Northern Ireland.

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many local authorities operate concessionary fares schemes for retirement pensioners in their areas under a "permits" system; how many under a "tokens" system and how many arrange for free transport upon proof of retirement.

Local authorities in Northern Ireland do not have any major transport functions. However, the three main Northern Ireland public transport undertakings, Ulsterbus, Citybus and Northern Ireland Railways either already offer a half-fare concession to all aged 65 or over, or intend to do so shortly.