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Volume 947: debated on Friday 7 April 1978

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Written Answers To Questions

Friday 7th April 1978

Defence

Chatham Dockyard

asked the Secretary of State for Defence when the work on the third nuclear store due to commence next month in Chatham Dockyard will be completed; and what it will cost.

The contract for a radioactive equipment store will be placed in the near future and it is anticipated that it will be completed in the early spring of 1979. The latest estimated cost is £280,000 at January 1978 prices.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what were the total numbers of men and women of all grades employed in Chatham Dockyard in each of the years 1970 to December 1977 inclusive; and what is the estimated work force in each of the next five years.

The numbers of Navy Department civilian personnel employed in Her Majesty's Dockyard, Chatham were:

April 19706,832
April 19716,878
April 19726,569
April 19736,573
April 19746,547
April 19756,283
April 19766,160
April 19776,167
December 19776,351
The figures prior to 1975 include 48 personnel who were transferred, together with their tasks, to another element in the naval base in that year. The December 1977 figure includes 171 staff transferred from another element of the base.The number is expected to remain at about the present level for the next five years.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what types of Royal naval vessels it is intended to repair or refit in Chatham Dockyard in future; and what other Royal naval dockyards will be able to carry out the same work.

It is intended that Chatham Dockyard should continue to refit and repair nuclear Fleet submarines, frigates and various other vessels and small craft. Facilities for the refitting of Fleet submarines are available at Rosyth and are being provided at Devonport. Frigates can be refitted at all of the Royal dockyards.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many of the existing refit and repair basins in Chatham Dockyard it is intended to close down.

It is not intended to close any of the refit and repair basins in Chatham Dockyard.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what trades in Chatham Dockyard will become redundant or drastically reduced in each of the next 10 years.

The planned programme of work for Chatham Dockyard for the next 10 years will not lead to any trade becoming redundant. Nor is it envisaged that there will be any drastic reduction in numbers in any trade.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement concerning the proposed development plan for Chatham Dockyard; and what part of the alleged expenditure of £60 million has already been spent on projects now completed.

Following a detailed review of the facilities and resources available in Her Majesty's Naval Base Chatham a comprehensive development plan was drawn up at the end of last year as a basis for planning the modernisation and rationalisation of the dockyard.The plan identifies some 60 individual works projects, each of which will be considered for implementation as and when required. The total order of cost is over £60 million. A number of projects are in the preliminary stages of detailed planning but there has been, as yet, no expenditure on construction.

Environment

Gipsies

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what aid has been made available to the Government from the European Economic Community to help in financing gipsy camp sites.

Gatwick Airport (Passenger Traffic)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what consideration he is giving to the revisions of the draft strategic plan for the South-East in the light of the proposals to increase capacity at Gatwick Airport from 6 million to 25 million passengers a year.

Any proposal by the British Airport Authority to develop terminal capacity at Gatwick to cater for 25 million passengers a year would be examined under the appropriate planning procedures, and the effect of such a proposal on the surrounding area would be taken into account then. The strategy for the South-East will allow for the possibility of airport expansion in this growth area but cannot anticipate any specific decisions.

Inner City Area Funds

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) what criteria he has laid down to determine the proper use of inner city area funds in the city of Birmingham, particularly with regard to their use in financing highway programmes;(2) what representations he has received from Birmingham City Council regarding the West Midlands county council's proposals to replace transportation funds by inner city area funds.

I have had no representations from the city council on the lines suggested. The county council has been examining how far certain highway projects to serve inner Birmingham can be accommodated within its expected level of transport funds for the next five years; to the extent that it cannot, it will be discussing first with my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Transport whether additional main programme funds can be made available. If a gap remains, the partnership may wish to consider whether the priority it attaches to the schemes would justify a contribution from the urban programme.

Departmental Offices

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what use is being made of the offices at 1 Victoria Street, SW1, previously occupied by the Department of Prices and Consumer Protection; and who were the previous occupants of the accommodation which the Department is now occuping in the Millbank Tower.

The offices referred to at 1 Victoria Street will shortly be taken up by the Department of Trade. The offices in Millbank Tower recently occupied by the Department of Prices and Consumer Protection were formerly occupied by the Department of Industry.

Local Authority Houses

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is his estimate of the number of currently ocupied local authority houses which were built prior to 1st January 1972.

It is estimated that there were about 4·2 million occupied local authority housing revenue account dwellings in England at the end of 1977 that were constructed prior to 1st January 1972.

Home Department

Scientology

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department why he will not agree to meet representatives of the Church of Scientology to discuss the ban on foreign Scientologists entering the United Kingdom; and why he insists that all such approaches must be in writing; and whether he will make a statement.

I do not consider that any useful purpose would be served by my meeting representatives as proposed.

Immigration And Repatriation

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what discussions he has been having with members of the Commission of the European Economic Communities concerning immigration and repatriation policies.

I have had no separate discussions with the EEC Commission but the United Kingdom has participated fully with other member States in examining proposals made by the Commission to combat illegal migration and illegal employment.

Illegal Immigrants (Member's Correspondence)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department why it took him until 16th March 1978 to reply to the letter from the hon. Member for Newham, North-West of 12th January 1978 enclosing a communication from Councillor W. Watts, J.P., regarding illegal immigration; what was contained in this letter which was not known on the date of its receipt; and whether this is the usual time taken to send information in such circumstances.

I receive many thousands of letters each year from hon. Members on immigration and other matters; each one is dealt with as rapidly as possible. It is not always practicable for me to reply as soon as I would wish, and I am sorry that in the case of the particular leter referred to a reply could not be sent earlier.

Adoption (Immigration Rules)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether it is possible for a former immigrant now settled in Great Britain to claim adoption of children from his home country and to arrange for them to be allowed entry into Great Britain and what check is made to ascertain that these are proper adoptions and not a subterfuge to obtain entry for children who would otherwise not be admitted into Great Britain.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply my hon. Friend the Under-Secretary of State gave to a Question by him on 8th March—[Vol. 945, c. 651]—She has also written to my hon. Friend on this subject.

Passports

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether, when giving consideration to the question of immigration, he will consider restoring passports to their original purpose of a travel document rather than evidence of nationality or country of origin or rights of entry into the United Kingdom.

The original purpose of a passport was, as the word implies, to enable the holder to pass through the ports. A passport remains one of the most convenient ways by which a traveller may establish his right to enter the United Kingdom because it usually provides adequate evidence of his identity and of his nationality or citizenship and may contain in a convenient form other information which would show whether or not he qualifies for entry.

Mr Abdul El Sayed

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) whether he is aware that Captain Abdul El Sayed has admitted to knowingly and deliberately breaking the British immigration laws, and the laws of his own country, Egypt; and whether, when giving consideration to his deportation, he will bear in mind that this man's claim that he would be shot if he returned to Egypt has been officially denied by the Egyptian Government;(2) why Mr. Abdul El Sayed who was admitted into Great Britain in August 1976 to attend a radar course for a period of 10 months and should have left in June 1977 was allowed to remain from June until the present; and what action he is taking to deport him in the knowledge that he admitted to breaking British law and the law of his own country of Egypt.

I have this case under consideration in the light of Mr. Abdul El Sayed's conviction for overstaying and representations that have been made on his behalf.

Departmental Organisations

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will publish details of the boards, commissions, committees or other types of organisations established by his Department since October 1974, giving in each case the purpose of the organisation, the chairman's and members' salaries and expenses, and the total cost of the organisation for each year since 1974.

Name of body

Life

Purpose

Chairman's and members' salaries or fees, where applicable

*

Cost (where readily identifiable)

Advisory Group on the Law of RapeJuly 1975—November 1975To give urgent consideration to the law of rape in the light of recent public concern and to advise the Home Secretary whether early changes in the law are desirable
Policy Advisory Committee on Sexual Offences1975To look into and advise on the age of consent in relation to sexual offences and such other issues arising during the Criminal Law Revision Committee's review of sexual offences as may be referred to them by the Home Secretary or that Committee
Committee on Obscenity and Film Censorship1977To review the laws concerning obscenity, indecency and violence in publications, displays and entertainments in England and Wales, except in the field of broadcasting, and to review the arrangements for film censorship in England and Wales; and to make recommendations
Working Party on Judicial Training and Information†1975To review the machinery for disseminating information about the penal system and matters related to the treatment of offenders; to review the scope and content of training, and the methods whereby it is provided; and to make recommendations
Equal Opportunities Commission1975To secure effective enforcement of the Sex Discrimination Act 1975 in the public interest, and to promote equal opportunities between the sexes and the elimination of discriminationChairman: £10,808 p.a. (full-time) Deputy Chairman: £7,521 p.a. (full-time) Part-time Commissioners: daily attendance fee of £171975–76 (part year) £118,870 1976–77 £850,429 1977–78 £1,577,000 (estimated)
Commission for Racial Equality1977To secure effective enforcement of the Race Relations Act 1975 and to promote good relations between people of different racial groupsChairman: £12,808 p.a. (full-time) Deputy Chairman: £8,520 p.a. (full-time) Part-time Commissioners: daily attendance fee of £171977–78 (part year) £3,712,000 (estimated)
Advisory Council on Race Relations1977To advise the Home Secretary on all aspects of the development and implementation of race relations policies

Name of body

Life

Purpose

Chairman's and members, salaries or fees, where applicable

*

Cost (where readily identifiable)

Race Relations Research Advisory Committee1976To review research in progress relevant to race relations and to the efficacy of policies to promote equality of opportunity for ethnic minorities in Great Britain; to consider the needs for further research of this kind; and to make recommendations
Police Complaints Board1977To provide an independent element in the handling of complaints by members of the public against the policeVice-Chairman:† £8,708 p.a. (full-time) Full-time member:† £8,020 p.a. Part-time members: fee of £4 per case and daily attendance fee of £211977–78: £300,000 (estimated)
Committee of Inquiry on the Police1977To review police pay negotiating machinery; to establish the basis of police pay; to promote into the constitution and functions of the police staff associations; and to make recommendationsMembers (excluding the Chairman): daily fee of £23Approximately £43,000 date
A Parliamentary Group on the feasibility and usefulness of a register of dependants1976–77To look into the feasibility and usefulness of a register with all the problems and evidence available to them from official sources£6,510 (including cost printing and publishing)
Siberry Working Party1974–75To work out on the basis of the recommendations of the Crawford Committee on Broadcasting Coverage (Cmnd. 5774) specific proposals for a Welsh language television service to be provided on the fourth channel in Wales and to give estimates of the cost and of the timing of such a project£11,900 (including cost printing and publishing
Data Protection Committee1976To advise the Government on the permanent control machinery needed to secure that all existing and future computer systems holding personal information, in both the private and public sectors, are operated with appropriate safeguards for privacy; and to consider and refine the objectives to be incorporated in legislation establishing permanent safeguards

Name of body

Life

Purpose

Chairman's and members' salaries or fees, where applicable

*

Cost (where readily identifiable)

Standing Committee on Probation Manpower Needs1977To advise on the recruitment needs of the Probation and After-Care Service
Advisory Committee on radio-interference from electrical household appliances, portable tools and similar equipment1977–78To advise on the making of Regulations for the control of radio interference from electrical household appliances, portable tools and other equipment
Advisory Committee on radio interference from fluorescent lighting1977–78To advise on the making of Regulations for the control of radio interference from fluorescent of radio interference from fluorescent lighting

* Travelling and subsistence expenses are paid as appropriate.

† Appointed jointly with the Lord Chancellor and the Lord Chief Justice.

Race Relations

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will make a statement on those recommendations of the Select Committee on Race Relations which he accepts and those which he does not accept; and if he will state his reasons.

Terrorism

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many persons have been detained under the provisions of the Prevention of Terorrism (Temporary Provisions) Act; how many have been subsequently charged with offences; and with what offences they have been charged.

3,167 people have been detained in Great Britain under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Acts 1974 and 1976. An extension of detention under Section 7 of the 1974 Act or Section 12 of the 1976 Act has been approved in 277 cases; a further 668 people were detained for 48 hours or less. 2,222 people have been detained pending further examination at ports under the supplemental orders made under the Acts.142 people detained under the Acts have been charged with offences in Great Britain. 20 of them have been charged with offences under the Acts. Four of the remainder have been charged with murder, three with attempted murder, 16 with conspiracy to cause explosions, 11 with unlawful possession of explosives, one with conspiracy to possess or procure explosives with intent to endanger life, 12 with offences under the Firearms Act 1968, one with causing an explosion, five with conspiracy to defraud the Inland Revenue, 22 with theft, eight with burglary, one with causing criminal damage, one with threatening to cause criminal damage, one with attempting criminal deception, one with taking a motor vehicle, one with handling a stolen vehicle, five with handling stolen property, one with unlawful wounding, two with possession of drugs, three with wasting police time, one with harbouring a person known to have committed an arrestable offence, four with assault on police, one with being found on enclosed premises, one with possession of an offensive weapon, three with offences under the Road Traffic Act 1972, five with criminal deception, one with obtaining a passport by deception, one with arson and six with non-payment of fines.In addition, five people have been removed to the Irish Republic, and there charged, three with burglary, one with robbery, and one with theft.30 people have been returned to Northern Ireland, and there charged, seven with murder, three with robbery, five with firearms offences, four with unlawful possession of explosives, five with causing an explosion, one with the unlawful taking of a motor vehicle, three with burglary, and two with arson.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many persons have been charged with offences under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act; and under which sections of the Act the charges have been brought.

17 people have been charged in Great Britain with offences under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1976: three under Section 10(1)(a), two under Sections 10(1)(a) and 10(2), two under Section 10(1), one under Section 10(1)(b)—who was not initially detained under the Act—three under Section 1(1)(b), two under Section 9(1), two under Section 9(2)(a) and two under Section 11(1). Four people were charged in Great Britain under Section 1(1)(b) of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1974.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many persons have been served with exclusion orders under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act; how many have been deported to (a) Northern Ireland and (b) the Republic of Ireland; how many have appealed against exclusion orders; and how many appeals have been successful.

125 exclusion orders have been made under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Acts 1974 and 1976. Notice of the making of an exclusion order has been served on 117 people, 109 of whom have been removed, 84 to Northern Ireland and 25 to the Irish Republic. 22 of the 117 made representations objecting to the order. The order has been revoked in six of these cases. One case is still under consideration.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he has refused an extension of five days to the police for the holding of a suspect under the Prevention of Terrorism Act; if so, how many.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department of the charges brought against suspects initially held under the Prevention of Terrorism Act, if any have been dropped before the case was heard; if so, which charges; if any charges have led to an unsuccessful prosecution, and, if so, which charges; and if any charges led to a successful prosecution, if so, in each case, what was the sentence imposed.

Details of the outcome of the more serious charges made in Great Britain are as follows:

Charges for offences under the prevention of Terrorism ( Temporary Provisions) Act 1974 (4)

Four persons were charged under Section 1(1)(b). Three were acquitted, and one was convicted and sentenced to six months' imprisonment and fined £400.

Charges for offences under the Prevention of Terrorism ( Temporary Provisions) Act 1976 (16)

Three people have been charged under Section 1(1)(b). One was convicted and sentenced to one day's imprisonment and the other two await trial.
Two persons have been charged and convicted under Section 9(1); one was fined £50; the other was sentenced to three months' imprisonment. Two persons have been charged and convicted under Section 9(2)(a); one was fined £100; the other was sentenced to three months' imprisonment.
Two persons have been charged under Sections 10(1)(a) and 10(2). They were convicted and sentenced to eight years' and two years' imprisonment respectively. Two persons have been charged under Section 10(1). One was convicted and sentenced to 10 years' imprisonment; the other was acquitted.
Three persons have been charged under Section 10(1)(a) and are awaiting trial.
Two persons have been charged under Section 11(1). One was acquitted but sentenced to two years' imprisonment on another charge; the other was sentenced to three months' imprisonment.

Murder (4)

Four persons have been charged; three have been convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment; in the other case, the charge was not proceeded with.

Attempted Murder (3)

Three persons have been charged, convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment.

Conspiracy to cause explosions (16)

Sixteen persons have been charged and 14 have been convicted. Two have been sentenced to 20 years' imprisonment; one to 15 years' imprisonment; one to 14 years' imprisonment, one to 12 years', six to 10 years', one to seven years', one to five years' and one to four years'. The remaining two cases were not proceeded with.

Unlawful possession of explosives (11)

Eleven persons have been charged; one has been acquitted and eight have been convicted. Two were sentenced to 14 years' imprisonment, two to 12 years' imprisonment, one to 10 years', one to five years' and two to four years'. Two persons are still awaiting trial.

Conspiracy to possess or procure explosives with intent to endanger life (1)

One person has been charged and acquitted.

Offences under the Firearms Act 1968 (12)

Twelve persons have been charged and 10 convicted. Two were sentenced to 12 months' imprisonment (suspended) and fined £100; one was fined £150, one £105, one £100, one £60, one £25 and one £20; one was sentenced to three months' imprisonment. In one case the person concerned was admonished and ordered to forfeit his firearms and ammunition. Two persons are still awaiting trial.

Causing and explosion (1)

One person has been charged, convicted and sentenced to 14 years' imprisonment.

Persons returned to Northern Ireland and there charged (30)

Murder (7)

Seven persons have been charged; one was convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment, and six are awaiting trial.

Robbery (3)

Three persons have been charged; one was convicted and sentenced to five years' imprisonment, one was sentenced to a term of Borstal Training and one person is awaiting trial.

Firearms Offences (5)

Five persons have been charged and three convicted. One was sentenced to four years' imprisonment (suspended), one to two years' imprisonment (suspended) and one to three months' imprisonment (suspended). Two are awaiting trial.

Unlawful possession of explosives (4)

Four persons have been charged; in one case, the charge was not proceeded with, and one is awaiting trial. One person has been convicted and sentenced to five years' imprisonment and one person has been sentenced to nine months' detention.

Causing an explosion (5)

Five persons have been charged. One case is awaiting trial. Two persons were convicted; one was sentenced to five years' imprisonment, and the other to two years' imprisonment (suspended). Two cases were not proceeded with.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will publish in the Official Report the number of arrests and detentions by each of the regional police force of persons

Police ForceNumber of DetentionsNumber of Applications for extensions of Detention
Metropolitan Police739100
Avon and Somerset Constabulary393
Bedfordshire Police420
Cambridgeshire Constabulary00
Cheshire Constabulary60
City of London Police248
Cleveland Constabulary71
Cumbria Constabulary22
Derbyshire Constabulary10
Devon and Cornwall Constabulary274
Dorset Police160
Durham Constabulary00
Essex Police336
Gloucestershire Constabulary100
Greater Manchester Police543
Hampshire Constabulary14467
Hertfordshire Constabulary00
Humberside Constabulary*50
Kent Constabulary408
Lancashire Constabulary574
Leicestershire Constabulary70
Lincolshire Constabulary30
Merseyside Police80116
Norfolk Constabulary00
Northamptonshire Police201
Northumbria Police50
North Yorkshire Police10
Nottinghamshire Constabulary30
South Yorkshire Police00
Staffordshire Police00
Suffolk Police80
Surrey Constabulary8225
Sussex Police180
Thames Valley Police155
Warwickshire Constabulary00
West Mercia Constabulary21
West Midlands Policet978
West Yorkshire (Meropolitan) Police1047
Wiltshire Constabulary30
Dyfed Powys Police570
Gwent Constabulary22
North Wales Police370
South Wales Constabulary582
2,568273
In addition, 599 people have been detained under the legislation in Scotland, in respect of four of whom extensions of detention were granted.

within its area under the terms of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act; in how many cases were applications made for detention to be extended by a further five days; and in how many cases was it refused.

The total number of persons detained in England and Wales under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Acts 1974 and 1976 and the total number of applications for extensions of detentions, none of which were refused, for each police force are as follows:

* The number of people detained by Humberside Police had previously been misrecorded by the police as 7.

Animals (Experiments)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what action has been taken against the research scientist who continued to perform experiments on animals for several months after his licence had expired, despite the fact that he had received three reminders from the Home Office to the effect that his licence was due for renewal and a notice informing him of its expiry.

I referred the papers to the Director of Public Prosecutions who caused inquiries to be made by the police but did not advise prosecution. The experiments carried out by the scientist, who had held his licence since 1966, were within the scope of his licence and certificates which would have been continued in force if he had applied at the proper time as had happened on the previous expiry date in 1971. The administrative lapse was a serious one and the person concerned was left in no doubt on this point. Subsequently he has applied for a new licence and this has been granted.

Police (Resignations)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will set out full details of the policemen who resigned from the service without pension or gratuity in 1977 showing (a) how many resigned and (b) details of the number of years service completed before resignation.

The available figures are as follows:

Less than 2 years service2,726
2–5 years service939
5–10 years service920
10–15 years service447
15–25 years service134
Total5,166

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many policemen resigned from the services in England and Wales prior to pension or gratuity in the first quarter of 1978.

These figures are not yet available. I will write to the hon. Member when all the March returns from police authorities have been received.

Police (Complaints)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many complaints were made against the police in England and Wales during 1977.

The number is provisionally estimated to be 27,700. Detailed information will be published later in the year in the annual reports of Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Constabulary and the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis.

Taxi Fares (Non-Payment)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he is aware of the dissatisfaction felt by members of the London taxicab trade at the increase in cases of defrauding by non-payment of fares; and what steps he proposes to take to deal with the problem.

I have no evidence of an increase in the non-payment of London taxi fares, but further protection for taxi drivers and others has been proposed in the Theft Bill.

House Of Commons

Members' Salaries

asked the Lord President of the Council whether he is aware that between June 1976 and mid-February 1977 the purchasing value of Members' salaries had fallen by 11·6 per cent. and what were the figures between mid-February 1977 and mid-February 1978.

The parliamentary salary was, in February 1978,5·5 per cent. lower than it would have been had it moved in line with the index of retail prices since February 1977.

Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

Mr Nicholas Love

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on the circumstances in which Mr. Nicholas Love was shot dead by Botswana border guards; and what steps he has taken or is taking to secure from the Government of Botswana a fully apology and substantial compensation for the tragic loss of life of a British subject.

I would refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave to the hon. and learned Member for Colchester (Mr. Buck) on 5th April—[Vol. 947, c. 134]. My right hon. Friend is now studying the High Commissioner's report of his meeting with President Seretse Khama.

Northern Ireland

Political Parties (Talks)

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how he proposes to make political progress in Northern Ireland.

The Government wish to see established in Northern Ireland a new elected authority responsible for the administration of the great majority of those matters which most closely affect the lives of the people who live there but, as all the main parties in the House have agreed, that new authority must be one which both parts of the community in Northern Ireland will be prepared to support and sustain. I believe that within the basic principles of the framework for talks which I circulated to the leaders of the four largest political parties in Northern Ireland on 22nd November—[Vol. 941, cc. 1839–40]—it would be possible to devise a system of government which would be both workable and inherently fair, and in which the political representatives of both the majority and minority communities could participate I am ready at any time to discuss the setting up of an elected authority on this basis. I would hope that there will be a willingness on the part of the parties in Northern Ireland to make a positive response.

Municipal Responsibilities

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland whether he has any proposals to fill the gap between the 26 district councils in Northern Ireland and Parliament at Westminster by returning to locally-elected control in Northern Ireland those matters which elsewhere in the United Kingdom are the responsibility of local or regional authorities.

Yes. The framework which I put to the main political parties in Northern Ireland last November envisages the establishment of a locally elected authority above the district council tier. This authority's responsibilities would include the administration of a wide range of services including those which before October 1973 were the responsibility of county councils or county boroughs in Northern Ireland. The system under which the authority would operate would need to be acceptable to this House as a whole and, as has been recognised by all the main parties here, acceptable also to both sides of the community in Northern Ireland. It would therefore need to reflect the special circumstances of Northern Ireland.I remain ready to take part at any time in further discussion within the principles laid down in the "framework"

Terrorism

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many persons excluded from Great Britain under the provisions of the Prevention of Terrorism (Northern Ireland) Act have been sent to Northern Ireland; and how many have been subsequently detained or charged with offences in Northern Ireland.

As at 31st March 1978, 85 persons excluded from Great Britain had been removed to Northern Ireland under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Acts 1974 and 1976, 13 of whom were detained on arrival. Of these, 12 were subsequently released after questioning and one was charged with offences committed in Northern Ireland.

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many persons have been detained in Northern Ireland under the provisions of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act; how many have subsequently been charged with offences; and with what offences they have been charged.

As at 31st March 1978, 451 persons have been held in Northern Ireland under the provisions of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Acts 1974 and 1976. 229 of these persons were subsequently charged with the following offences:

Murder84
Attempted murder33
Conspiracy to murder7
Explosives Offences57
Conspiracy to cause explosion4
Firearms offences51
Membership of a proscribed organisation28
Burglary1
Robbery5
Offences against the person4
Unlawful collection of information4
Theft8
Hijacking3
False imprisonment5
Malicious damage1
Taking part in an illegal procession1
Withholding information3
Intimidation1
Arson1
Some of the 229 were charged with more than one offence.

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many persons have been charged under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act in Northern Ireland; and under which section of the Act.

As at 31st March 1978, 25 have been charged. Two persons have been charged under Section 9—failure to comply with an exclusion order; four under Section 10—contributions towards acts of terrorism, and 19 under Section 11—withholding information about acts of terrorism.

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland (1) how many persons have been excluded from Northern Ireland under the provisions of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act; and how many have been sent to Great Britain and the Republic of Ireland, respectively;(2) how many people have been excluded from Northern Ireland under the terms of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act.

As at 31st March 1978, two persons have been removed from Northern Ireland to the Republic of Ireland in pursuance of orders excluding them from the United Kingdom.

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many people from Northern Ireland have been excluded and subsequently been charged with breaking an exclusion order under the provisions of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act.

As at 31st March 1978, no residents of Northern Ireland have been charged in Northern Ireland with breaking an exclusion order either from Northern Ireland or the United Kingdom.

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many people from the Republic of Ireland have been excluded from Northern Ireland under the terms of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act and subsequently charged with breaking an exclusion order.

As at 31st March 1978, no person from the Republic of Ireland has been charged in Northern Ireland with breaking an order excluding him from Northern Ireland. Three such persons have been charged within Northern Ireland with breaking an order excluding them from the United Kingdom.

Concessionary Fares

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will retain the present level of concessionary bus fare in respect of those who are 70 years old in Northern Ireland.

, pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 6th April 1978], gave the following information:No. A new concessionary fares scheme came into operation on 3rd April 1978 in the Belfast area served by Citybus and enables everyone over the age of 65 to travel for half fare at all times. This represents a significant improvement for a large number of pensioners in Belfast.

Trade

Tokyo Round (Talks)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade if he will publish in the Official Report details of the size and composition of British representation at the Tokyo Round talks, indicating which of those involved have current or recent commercial experience of export and import business.

The European Commission conducts these negotiations on behalf of the Community as a whole. It does so in consultation with member States and within a framework agreed by the Council of Ministers.

Transport

Hunton Bridge—Maple Cross (Road Surface)

asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will make a statement on the nature of the surface material to be used on the outer orbital road, Hunton Bridge to Maple Cross.

At present this road is surfaced in concrete and there are no proposals to resurface it.

Concessionary Fares

asked the Secretary of State for Transport what he estimates to be the likely cost to public funds if all local authorities paid 50 per cent. of the cost of concessionary travel for pensioners and the disabled, as recommended in his Circular 2/78.

If local authorities which do not at present do so were to provide a half-fare concession for pensioners and handicapped people, as suggested in Circular 2/78, the total cost to public funds of all concessionary fare schemes in England and Wales—both existing and new ones—would be about £110 million a year.

Pembury Bypass

asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether the estimate of £1 million as the cost of the Pembury bypass on the A21, given in the White Paper "Policy for Roads: England 1978", has been made on the basis that the bypass will have dual carriageways in each direction, or on what alternative basis.

The standard of road has not yet been decided. The estimate of £1 million is a rough order of cost based on the approximate length.

asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether he will now answer the letter sent to the Under-Secretary of State on 23rd February, by the hon. and learned Member for Royal Tunbridge Wells, of which a reminder was sent on 22nd March, concerning the Pembury bypass on the A21.

Ferry Services

asked the Secretary of State for Transport which ferry services are currently in operation which would require parliamentary approval to be discontinued.

The information could be provided only by an exhaustive study of the numerous private and local acts and common law rights and obligations, the cost of which would be disproportionate.

Lorries

asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether, in his "Policy for Roads: England 1978" Command 7132, he has given consideration to the introduction of recommended and mandatory routing for large and heavy commercial vehicles, having regard to the damages resulting from their use of unsuitable roads and the environmental problems to which they give rise in these circumstances.

The new White Paper on roads policy emphasises that the priorities for the road programme will give special weight to vital industrial routes and to dealing with those parts of the trunk road network where the problems of congestion and environmental damage are most severe.Last year's Transport Policy White Paper explained that the Government had concluded that a national system of mandatory lorry routes would not be a practical proposition for some time. However, my Department's long-standing advice is that lorries should, as far as possible, keep to the motorway and primary route network—the roads with the blue and green-backed signs. Local authorities are encouraged to make full use of their extensive powers to regulate lorry traffic to keep it away from unsuitable roads and environmentally sensitive areas, where better alternative routes are available.

Social Services

Shipping (Health Checks)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) if he will reconsider the transfer of responsibility for health checks on ships from the City of London health authority to the National Health Service on 1st April in view of the informed resistance to this change in regulation;(2) whether he will reconsider the transfer of responsibility from port health authorities to the masters of ships for the reporting of infectious diseases from 1st April in view of the informed concern about this change of regulation;(3) whether he will seek to increase the maximum £100 fine levied on ships' masters who fail to report cases of serious illness in their crews.

I refer my hon. Friend to the very full reply that I gave on these matters in the debate of 3rd April 1978 on Prayers to annul the Public Health (Aircraft) Amendment Regulations and the Public Health (Ships) Amendment Regulations (SI 1978/286 and 287), which now govern these arrangements.—[Vol. 947, c. 193–203].Although the motion to annul the regulations was negatived I explained the options open to the London Port Health Authority, in consultation with the area health authority, within those regulations and that I would consult my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Home Department on any representations to me about the penalties referred to.

Parliamentary Commissioner (Report)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will identify the officials criticised in the Fourth Report of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Administration for 1977–78; whether disciplinary action has been taken; if so, what; and if he will make a further statement.

As I explained in my reply of 3rd April 1978 to my hon. Friend the Member for Brent, South (Mr. Pavitt)—[Vol. 947, c. 25–6]—I do not think it right to identify the officials involved. The Parliamentary Commissioner did not find it necessary to interview them, and, so long after the events in 1964 to which the Report relates, they would find it difficult to assemble evidence bearing on their individual responsibility. I have strongly condemned the actions of the officials concerned, but I am satisfied that there would be no advantage now in attempting to take further steps to attribute individual responsibility. Of the four middle grade officials involved, three, including both those who took the decisions, have since retired. The fourth is working abroad

Security Units (South-Western Region)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what other sub-regional security units are planned in the South-West Region apart from that which is to be the subject of a public inquiry at Langdon near Dawlish in Devon; when each of these other sub-regional units is intended to be in operation; and what the catchment area for each is supposed to be.

The South-Western Regional Health Authority plans to provide two units; the one at Langdon to serve the southern part of the region—Cornwall, Devon and part of Somerset—and one within the Avon Health Area to serve the northern part of the region—Gloucestershire, Avon and part of Somerset. The precise location and date of opening of the latter unit have yet to be determined.

Paul Brown

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what action he proposes to take in the light of the Oates Inquiry report into the death of Paul Brown; and if he will make a statement.

The Committee of Inquiry into aspects of the care of Paul and Liam Brown, under the chairmanship of J. S. Oakes, Esq., Barrister-at-Law, was set up by the Wirral Area Health Authority and the Wirral Borough Council and the report was published by them on 3rd April. The responsibility for considering what action should be taken rests in the first instance with the two authorities; the report is to be considered by each of them at meetings this month and they have undertaken to let me know the outcome. I am studying the report and will be considering in the light of the authorities' comments whether it raises matters calling for action at the national level.

Transportation Of Patients (Minicabs)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services why an elderly lady patient, details of whom have been sent to him by the hon. Member for Twickenham, was transported from her home in Twickenham for treatment at St. Peter's Hospital, London, WC, in a mincab (a) which arrived an hour late to collect her, (b) which carried the driver and four other sick passengers who were destined for different hospitals and some of whom had to sit on the laps of others, (c) which arrived at St. Peter's Hospital one-and-three-quarter hours later for the appointment and (d) the driver of which refused to take her home; if he will describe the system of employment of and payment to minicabs; what check is made of the quality of work done before payment is made; whether in the above case payment was made before or after the job; and if he will make a statement.

I am making inquiries and will let the hon. Member have a reply as soon as possible.

Retirement Pension (Married Women)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether the retirement pension entitlement of a married woman depends primarily upon her own age or that of her husband; and, if the latter is the case, if he will cease to use the term "pensionable age" which implies that all married women are automatically entitled to the benefit when they reach the age of 60 years.

A married woman who satisfies the contribution conditions for a retirement pension on her own contributions is entitled to a retirement pension at age 60, subject to her retirement from regular employment, irrespective of her husband's age. A married woman who fails to satisfy these conditions may have an alternative title to a pension on her husband's contributions, but that title does not arise until he has become a pensioner and provided she has reached the age of 60 and has retired. "Pensionable age" is defined in Section 27(1) of the Social Security Act 1975 as meaning in the case of a man the age of 65, and in the case of a woman the age of 60.

Pregnancy Testing

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what representations he has received concerning the refusal of the Committee on Safety of Medicines to inform mothers who are known to the Committee to have taken a hormonal pregnancy test during pregnancy that any claim for compensation for resultant congenital damage to their children must be lodged before 25th May 1978; and what reason the Committee has given him for the refusal.

The Committee on Safety of Medicines was asked by a community health council whether it would be prepared to notify mothers identified in a study of congenital abnormality and maternal drug use as having been given a hormone pregnancy test of the existence of the Association for Children Damaged by Hormone Pregnancy Tests. The committee has always undertaken its studies of adverse reactions to drugs on the basis of strict confidentiality to protect participants and ensure continuing co-operation with its work, and it felt that it could not use confidential information for the purpose proposed. I have received no representations.The results of the committee's study of a selected sample of mothers must not be misinterpreted to give the false impression that any mother can be identified as having given birth to an abnormal child as a result of a hormonal pregnancy test. While a marginal increase was shown in the kind of abnormalities which occur spontaneously, no specific abnormalities were found which could aid the establishment of cause-and-effect relationships in individual cases.

Scotland

Terrorism

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he will publish in the Official Report the number of arrests and detentions by each regional police force of persons within their area under the terms of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act; in how many cases applications were made for detention to be extended by a further five days; and in how many cases was it refused.

The number of persons arrested and detained in each region in Scotland between 29th November 1974 and 28th March 1978 under the authority of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Acts 1974 and 1976 were:

Strathclyde84
Tayside2
Lothian and Borders7
Dumfries and Galloway504
Grampian2
Other RegionsNil
Applications for the extension of detention by a further five days were made in four cases and none of these applications was refused.

Energy

Nuclear Fuel (Reprocessing)

asked the Secretary of State for Energy how the overseas contracts for reprocessing fuel at the proposed

Date establishedTitleFunction
October 1974Advisory Council on Energy ConservationTo advise and assist the Secretary of State for Energy in carrying out his duty of promoting economy and efficiency in the use and consumption of energy, in particular by:
(a) identifying fields in which improvements in energy use can be achieved;
(b) advising on the means of realising such improvements;
(c) stimulating and maintaining public interest in energy conservation with a view to the widespread adoption of more efficient practices; and
(d) reviewing progress made.
2nd December 1974Committee of InquiryTo examine the structure of the electricity supply industry in England and Wales and to report to the Secretary of State for Energy.
February 1975Advisory Committee on Fixed offshore Installations(i) To advise the Secretary of State for Energy on matters related to the Department's statutory safety responsibilities in connection with the design, construction, certification and performance of fixed offshore installations;
(ii) To consider the whole offshore engineering scene, including developing technology, and to advise the Department of Energy on steps to be taken to promote participation by British industry.
(iii) To establish ad hoc technical working groups on specific matters as may be required by the Committee to discharge its functions, provided that where such groups are thought necessary liaison is established with other bodies, groups or committees to avoid duplication of activity; and
(iv) To provide advice to the Department of Energy on such other specific problems relevant to fixed offshore installations as are referred to the Committee.

plant would be affected if the reprocessed plutonium had to be irradiated to prevent its easy conversion into nuclear weapons before it was returned to its country of origin, given that to achieve this fuel fabrication plants and irradiating facilities would have to be built in addition to the enlarged THORP.

I am advised that the proposed contracts would not be affected if a decision were taken to return plutonium as slightly irradiated fuel elements.

Departmental Organisations

asked the Secretary of State for Energy if he will publish details of the boards, commissions, committees or other types of organisations established by his Department since October 1974, giving in each case the purpose of the organisation, the chairman's and members' salaries and expenses, and the total cost of the organisation for each year since 1974.

Date established

Title

Function

May 1975Offshore Energy Technology BoardTo advise and assist the Secretary of State for Energy on how best to evaluate, promote and secure technological developments leading to improvements in:
(i) the efficient and economic exploitation of the oil and gas resources on the United Kingdom Continental Shelf;
(ii) the standards laid down by the Department in pursuance of its statutory responsibilities for safety; and
(iii) the competitiveness of British industry in the field of offshore oil and gas.
In particular, the Board will:
(a) identify those areas which, on grounds of safety and/or commercial opportunity, will most benefit by research and development support by the Department of Energy;
(b) advise on the objectives, priorities and balance of research and development programmes to support the Department's policies within the broad allocation of funds available; and
(c) review progress made.
1st January 1976British National Oil Corporation.To exercise the State's participation rights in the United Kingdom sector of the Continental Shelf; to explore for and exploit petroleum from the United Kingdom sector of the Continental Shelf; and to undertake other functions pursuant to the Petroleum and Submarine Pipe-lines Act 1975.
February 1976Offshore Industry Liaison Committee(i) The Committee should consider ways of improving the United Kingdom offshore supplies competitive capability having regard particularly:
(a) to the desirability of securing an adequate level of ordering, thus helping to ensure continuity of employment and adequacy of training, and
(b) to the problems arising from cost escalation;
(ii) The Committee should seek means of improving the capability and the level of United Kingdom content in the orders placed by operators on the United Kingdom Continental Shelf whilst encouraging industry to take advantage of the scope for exports;
(iii) The Committee should identify and examine in depth such problems as might be raised by any member, or outside source, and monitor any action recommended;
(iv) The Committee should establish a close relationship with other bodies such as the Offshore Supplies Office and the National Economic Development Office to avoid any duplication of effort or overlap in study or research into problems identified by the Committee; and to co-ordinate their efforts with the Government's broader industrial strategy.
November 1977Energy CommissionTo advise and assist the Secretary of State for Energy on the development of a strategy for energy related matters in the United Kingdom, and to advise the Secretary of State on such specific aspects of energy policy as he may from time to time refer to them.

Apart from British National Oil Corporation, members of these bodies are unpaid, but may be reimbursed expenses incurred in carrying out the business of the body concerned. The cost of the committee of inquiry into the electricity industry in England and Wales is estimated to have been £24,684. Records of expenditure of others listed are not kept in the form requested, and provision of the information would involve disproportionate costs.

In the case of the British National Oil Corporation, current annual salaries are:

Chairman—£29,985 (voluntarily not drawn)
Member (full-time)—£20,695.
Members (part-time) 7—£1,000; 2—Unpaid.
General financial information on the corporation is given in its annual report.

North Sea Oil (Participation Agreement)

asked the Secretary of State for Energy what recent progress has been made in participation negotiations with companies involved in North Sea oil development.

, pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 9th March 1978; Vol. 945, c. 771], gave the following further information:The Secretary of State for Energy, the British Oil Corporation, Phillips Petroleum Company, American Petrofina Exploration Company, Agip (UK) Ltd., Century Power and Light Ltd., Ultramar Exploration Ltd. and the British Electric Traction Company Ltd., today signed a definitive agreement which provides for majority State participation in the Maureen discovery in Block 16/29a. The agreement will become fully effective when commercial development of Maureen is initiated and its main provisions will be applied also to any further fields on the United Kingdom Continental Shelf that the companies may develop under their 1st to 4th round licences.Under the agreement BNOC will have an option over up to 51 per cent. of each company's share of Maureen petroleum production against payment of market price. BNOC will become a co-licensee with the companies and will have an effective voice and vote on all operating committees.

Prices And Consumer Protection

Consumer Organisations

asked the Secretary of State for Prices and Consumer Protection if he will set out in the Official Report the persons or organisations connected with consumer protection that are in receipt of public funds from central or local governments; and the annual cost of each.

The relevant budget estimates for central Government expenditure in 1978–79 at November 1977 prices are as follows:

£
British Standards Institute (BSI)1,700,000
Expenses of Consumer representatives on BSI standards making activities10,000
Committee of Enquiry into Motorway Service Areas25,000
Consumer Advice Centre Grants for Running and Capital costs3,580,000
Consumer Protection Advisory Committee7,000
Local Price Surveys225,000
Monopolies and Mergers Commission725,000
National Association of Citizens Advice Bureaux1,097,000
National Consumer Council664,000
National Federation of Consumer Groups6,000
Nationalised Industry Consumer Councils1,911,000
Open University ("Consumer Decisions" Course)6,000
Price Commission7,170,000
Payments to members of Price Commission123,000
Royal Society for Prevention of Accidents33,000
Local authority expenditure on consumer protection is determined by individual authorities, but the White Paper on the Government's Expenditure Plans (Cmnd. 7049), is based on the expectation that local authorities' current expenditure for Great Britain in 1978–79 will be £29·2 million.If the hon. Member requires fuller information on particular items of expenditure he may wish to write to me.

Departmental Accommodation

asked the Secretary of State for Prices and Consumer Protection what are the reasons for the removal of his Department from Victoria Street to the Millbank Tower, S.W.1; and what are the comparative annual costs of the present and previous accommodation.

The move is part of a rationalisation of accommodation which will bring the staff of my Department together in one building. The comparative costs of the various buildings is a matter for my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Environment.

Education And Science

Student Awards

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what would be the cost in the current academic year of paying all students on postgraduate certificate in education courses non-means-tested mandatory awards.

The cost of abolishing the parental and other contributions for such students in England and Wales is estimated at £2 million for the academic year 1977–78.

National Finance

Third World Trade (Taxation)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if the expenses of sales promotion by United Kingdom companies within Third World countries is allowable for tax relief.

In general, yes, provided they are incurred wholly and exclusively for the purpose of the company's trade.

Royal Mint (Advertisements)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer in view of his reply to the hon. Member for Woolwich, East on 16th December 1977, why mail order advertisements placed in the national Press by the Royal Mint do not include a reference to the availability of Giro payment facilities.

The Royal Mint is reviewing its current practice to see whether Giro payment facilities might be included in a future series of advertisements. When the review is completed, I will write to my hon. Friend.

Income Tax

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what would be the savings in administrative costs if the present 10 income tax bands were reduced to five.

It is estimated that the overall savings might be somewhere about £400,000. This figure does not take account of the cost of the new PAYE tax tables which would be needed.

Building Societies

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer in the light of recent collapses of building societies, what further measures he is considering to protect investors.

I imagine my hon. Friend has particularly in mind the irregularities in the Grays Building Society. The Building Societies Association announced on Friday 31st March that sufficient assurances had been received from a number of member societies to ensure that investors in the Grays Building Society will not lose their money. Arrangements to implement these assurances, which take fully into account also the interests of mortgagors, are being made with the knowledge and encouragement of the Chief Registrar of Friendly Societies. In addition, as also announced on Friday, the Chief Registrar with the approval of the Treasury has appointed Mr. Ian F. H. Davison, managing partner of Arthur Andersen & Co., as inspector to inquire into and report on the affairs of the society. The procedure for the inquiry is comparable to that under the analagous provisions of the Companies Acts and the inspector has powers to require production of books and other documents of the society and to examine on oath its officers, members, agents and servants in relation to its business. The inquiry will ensure that the authorities are fully informed about the way in which the irregularities occurred and, naturally, we shall be giving very careful consideration to the inspector's report.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if, in the light of the collapse of the Grays Building Society, he will bring forward legislation to provide compensation for savers and mortgage holders in such circumstances.

I refer my hon. Friend to the reply I have given today to my hon. Friend the Member for Walsall, South (Mr. George).

Tax Allowance (Tools And Clothes)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will ask employers to notify their employees that they are entitled to an annual tax allowance for tools and wear and tear of clothes where this has been agreed by the Inland Revenue, and also the amount agreed.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the approximate number of workers entitled to an income tax allowance for tools and wear and tear of clothing; and how many are receiving this allowance.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the present annual allowance for tools and wear and tear of clothing for individual skilled fitters and turners in the engineering industry; and what were the allowances in April 1968 and April 1975.

Tax Allowances

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will hold an investigation into the reason tax inspectors in many cases have not granted a tax allowance on the full current allowance agreed with the unions; and if he will instruct inspectors to check all allowances forthwith and grant the correct relief, and also to make, retrospectively, the proper allowance for the past six years.

Money Supply

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will provide a table showing the annual rates of growth of both M1 and £M3, on a seasonally adjusted basis, over the three months and six months to mid-March 1978, and similarly over the three months and six months to mid-March 1974.

Money supply figures for mid-March 1978 are not yet available. I will give the hon. Member a substantive reply when they are.

European Community (Trade Balances)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will publish in the Official Report a table showing the net balance in (1) visible trade and (ii) the current account of the balance of payments between the United Kingdom and other EEC member States for each of the past five years.

Personal Incomes

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what was the net weekly income in 1977–78 after taking account of income tax, child benefit, family income supplement and the value of free school meals, where applicable, for a married couple with three children where the husband is earning £40, £80 and £120 per week, respectively; what are the corresponding figures for a family where the children are resident overseas in a country without reciprocal arrangements for payment of child benefit; and what these figures will be in 1978–79 assuming that no further changes are made to the regulations in respect of allowances for children overseas, tax allowances or benefits other than those already announced.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what percentage of income is retained after deduction of tax and social security payments by a married man with two children below the age of 11 years (a) on average earnings, (b) on twice average earnings, and (c) three times average earnings in each Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development country.

, pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 6th April 1978], gave the following information:Figures of average earnings in OECD countries are not available, but figures are published for most OECD countries for the average earnings of production workers in industry. The latest year for which this information is available is 1974.It would involve a disproportionate cost to carry out such calculations for all 24 OECD countries. I hope the hon. Member will find it sufficient to have information for the EEC countries, USA,

PERCENTAGE OF INCOME RETAINED AFTER DEDUCTION OF TAX AND SOCIAL SECURITY PAYMENTS
Average earningsTwice average earningsThree times average earnings
Belgium93(5)79(5)76(5)
Denmark68(5)53(5)48(5)
France979491
Germany767569
Ireland878071
Italy988782
Japan92(5)86(5)81(5)
Luxembourg91(1)83(1)76(1)
Netherlands756961
Sweden76(5)55(5)46(5)
United Kingdom797368
USA85(5)78(5)75(5)
NOTES
(1) Tax rates and earnings are those for 1974 or 1974–75, except for Luxembourg—1973.
(2) All figures refer to a married man with two children under 11. It is assumed all the income is from employment of the husband.
(3) Cash benefits for children are included. In accordance with OECD convention they are regarded as reducing tax liability before the percentage of average earnings retained is calculated.
(4) Normal personal reliefs and minimum expenses deductions are assumed: allowance is made for deductible social security contributions.
(5) Local income taxes are included as follows:
Belgium—at the rate payable by the great majority.
Denmark—at the average rates.
Japan—at the rates payable by the great majority.
Sweden—at the average rates.
USA—at the California rates.

Foreign Currency Borrowing

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer (1) what is the total sum converted to £ sterling at current exchange rates now owing to overseas governments as a result of borrowings;(2) what was the total amount of interest due or paid to overseas Governments as interest on overseas borrowing during the year 1977; and what was the total repayment of debts incurred by borrowing from foreign Governments in the same period.

It is assumed that both of the Questions refer to direct foreign currency borrowing by Her Majesty's Government from overseas Governments.At 31st March 1978, the current sterling value of total outstanding inter-Government loans to the United Kingdom Government in foreign currencies amounted to about £2,027 million. The loans in question are the long-term North American loans from the United States and Canadian Governments, which date from the end of the Second World War; and the 1969–71 Anglo-German Offset Agreement.

Sweden, and Japan. The information for these is as follows:

Interest payments on these loans—including interest on deferred repayments on the North American loans—during 1977 amounted to about £49 million at the then current rates of exchange, and capital repayments were equivalent to about £68 million.

Although not strictly inter-Govermental loans, there are in addition foreign currency bonds outstanding, equivalent at end-March exchange rates to about £414 million, which are held by certain overseas central monetary institutions. These bonds were offered by Her Majesty's Government in 1977 to countries with official holdings of sterling, in order to help deal with the problem of the sterling balances and in accordance with the Government's aim of securing a reduction in the international role of sterling as a reserve currency.

School Fees

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will estimate the cost of allowing school fees against tax at the standard rate.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will allow the interest on the cost of borrowing for school fees to be set against income tax at the standard rate.

Productivity

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will publish two tables showing index numbers of (a) industrial output and (b) manufacturing output at constant market prices in the United Kingdom, United States of

TABLE 1
INDUSTRIAL OUTPUT*
1973=100
United KingdomUnited StatesWest GermanyFranceJapanItaly
1973100100100100100100
1974981009910297104
1975939193958795
19769410010010398106
197796106103‡105‡103‡108§
Source:
United Kingdom—latest published estimates.
Other countries—OECD Main Economic Indicators.
* Index of Production for all industries excluding construction.
† Based on annual and quarterly data which represent only 78 per cent. of total industrial output, and for 1977 on monthly data which relate to 53 per cent. of industry.
‡ Average of eleven months January to November 1977.
§ Average of ten months January to October 1977.
TABLE 2
MANUFACTURING OUTPUT
1973=100
United KingdomUnited StatesWest GermanyFrance*JapanItaly
1973100100100100100100
1974981009810297104
1975928992948694
1976931009910398106
197794105†102†105†102†109‡
Source:
United Kingdom—latest published estimate.
Other countries—OECD Industrial Production—Quarterly supplement to Main Economic Indicators 1977–4.
* Based on annual and quarterly data quarterly data which represent only 77 per cent. of manufacturing output, and for 1977 on monthly data which relate to 50 per cent. of manufacturing industry.
† Average on nine months January to September 1977.
‡ Average of eight months January to August 1977.
The hon. Member will appreciate that questions on other countries' performances raise issues on the compatibility and quality of data available through the various international organisations. I am asking the Central Statistical Office to write to the hon. Member to explain

America, West Germany, France, Japan and Italy, for each year 1973 to 1977, taking 1973 as 100 for each of the countries specified, and taking the 1977 figures as the average of those months for which figures are already available in each case.

, pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 5th April 1978; Vol. 947, c. 150], gave the following information:The tables below show industrial output and manufacturing output at constant prices, re-scaled to 1973=100, for each of the countries specified in the question:the technical problems associated with international comparisons of this sort and the limitations of such data as are readily available here in the United Kingdom.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will publish a table showing index numbers of output per head of occupied population at constant market prices in the United Kingdom, United States of America, West Germany, France, Japan and Italy, for each year from 1973 to 1977, taking 1973 as 100 for each of the countries specified, and taking the 1977 figure as the average of those months for which figures are already available in each case.

TABLE 1
OUTPUT PER HEAD*
1973=100
United KingdomUnited StatesWest GermanyFranceJapanItaly
1973100·0100·0100·010·0100·0100·0
197499·097·1102·4·099·4101·9
197597·897·5103·2104·3102·197·9
Sources:
GDP—National Accounts of OECD countries 1976, Volume 1. Main aggregates.
Employment—Labour Force Statistics 1964–75.
* Gross domestic product (GDP) in purchasers' values at 1970 prices and 1970 exchange rates per head of total employment re-scaled to 1973=100.
Some later data—shown below—is available in quarterly publications, but can only be scaled to 1974=100 because compatible data for 1973 or earlier years
TABLE 2
OUTPUT PER HEAD*
1974=100
United KingdomUnited StatesWest GermanyFranceJapanItaly
1974100·0100·0100·0100·0100·0100·0
197598·6100·1101·0101·8102·796·1
1976102·3103·0107·7107·2108·2100·7
1977101·9†104·4†110·6‡··111·7†··
Sources:
United Kingdom—latest published estimates.
Other countries—
OECD Main Economic Indicators.
OECD Labour Force Statistics, Quarterly Supplement, November 1977.
* Gross domestic product at constant market prices per head of total employmen for United Kingdom and Italy; gross national product for United States, West Germany and Japan.
† Average of first three quarters of 1977.
‡ Average of first two quarters of 1977.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will publish a table showing index numbers of manufacturing output per person employed in manufacturing, at constant market prices, in the United Kingdom, United States of America, West Germany, France, Japan and Italy, for each year from 1973 to 1977, taking 1973 as 100 for each of the countries specified, and taking the 1977

, pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 5th April 1978; Vol. 947, c. 149], gave the following answer:Information comparing the United Kingdom figures with the countries listed for the period requested is not readily available. Such annual information as is available that can be re-scaled to 1973=100 is shown in the table below.is not shown in these publications, and revisions to 1974 figures would imply that these cannot be directly linked to the data used to compile table 1.figure as the average of those months for which figures are already available in each case.

, pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 5th April 1978; Vol. 947, c. 148], gave the following answer:Information comparing the United Kingdom figures with the countries listed for the period requested is not readily available. Such annual information as is

MANUFACTURING OUTPUT PER HEAD*
United KingdomUnited StatesWest GermanyFranceJapanItaly
1973100·0100·0100·0100·0100·0100·0
197497·7100·199·6101·798·0100·8
197597·097·798·696·092·290·3
Sources:
OECD Industrial Production—Quarterly supplement to Main Economic Indicators 1977–4.
OECD Labour Force Statistics 1964–75.
* Manufacturing output at constant prices per head of manufacturing employment.
† The employment definition used for the U.S.A to derive manufacturing output per head at constant prices covers only wage earners and salaried employees and excludes the self-employed.
‡ Based on annual data which represents only 77 per cent. of manufacturing output.
It is not possible to compile estimates of manufacturing output per head for countries other than the United Kingdom for periods since 1975 because compatible data on manufacturing employment are not available.The latest available estimates for the United Kingdom re-scaled to 1973 are as follows:
MANUFACTURING OUTPUT PER HEAD
1973=100
1973100·0
197498·4
197596·6
1976*100·6
1977*100·2
Source: Department of Employment Gazette. March 1978.
* Provisional.
The difference between such data for the United Kingdom as are available from OECD publications and data from the latest United Kingdom publications reflects the availability of later information.

World Trade (United Kingdom Share)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how many additional jobs in United Kingdom industry will be created in 1978–79 if the United Kingdom increases its present share of world trade by (a) ½ per cent., (b) 1 per cent., (c) 1½ per cent. and (d) 2 per cent.

, pursuant to the reply [Official Report, 4th April 1978; Vol. 947, c. 117], gave the following information:Estimates of the effect of improved export performance on employment depend upon a number of assumptions and are subject to wide margins of error.

available that can be re-scaled to 1973=100 is shown in the table below.

On the assumptions that earnings, the exchange rate and interest rates are unchanged and that the current relationship between changes in output and employment continues to hold, a 1 per cent. increase in the volume of exported manufactures in the financial year 1978–79, which would increase the United Kingdom share of world trade in manufactures by nearly one-tenth of a percentage point, could lead to an increase in total employment of up to 15,000 in that year. Within reasonable limits, these estimates can be pro-rated.

£ Sterling

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the current value of the £ sterling compared with the value at February 1974; and, at the present rate of fall in its value, when it will reach the equivalent of 50p.

, pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 6th April 1978], gave the following information:As measured by the General Index of Retail Prices, the value of the pound, if put at 100p in February 1974, is estimated at 53p in February 1978. But taking this and other developments into account, for every constant value pound—as measured by real personal disposable income—consumers had in their pockets in the first quarter of 1974, they had £1·04 in the fourth quarter of 1977, and it is likely that the current figure for this quarter will prove slightly higher.As to what the future may bring, I should warn the hon. Member of the imminence of my right hon. Friend's Budget Statement and of the dangers in extrapolating past trends.

Unemployment Rates

asked the Prime Minister if he will give the rates of unemployment for the United Kingdom and Italy pursuant to his statement during Question Time of Tuesday 4th April 1978 that Italy has a higher rate of unemployment than the United Kingdom, using a comparable basis, and stating the source from which these figures are derived.

In the absence of my right hon. Friend who is attending the European Council Meeting in Copenhagen, I have been asked to reply.Figures compiled by the EEC, which make partial adjustment for non-comparable features in national statistics, show unemployment rates in February of 8 per cent. for Italy and 5·9 per cent. for the United Kingdom. The EEC figures for the number of unemployed are 1,580,300 for Italy, and 1,508,700 for the United Kingdom. Fuller adjustments to national estimates are normally made by both the United States Bureau of Labour Statistics and OECD but the figures they prepare for Italy and the United Kingdom are currently under review.

Employment

Unemployed Persons

asked the Secretary of State for Employment further to the Written Answer to the hon. Member for Blaby, Official Report, 11th January, column 774, if he will provide comparable figures of unemployment rates for the first quarter of 1978; and if he will also provide similar figures for Japan and any other major industrial nation for which unemployment rates adjusted to United States concepts are available.

Engineering Trainees

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many engineering trainees there were in Government training centres on 1st January 1977 and 1978, respectively; and how many places were available on each date.

Government training centres ceased to exist in 1974 and were replaced by skillcentres run by the Manpower Services Commission. Statistics for skillcentres are available only for the end of each month. These were as follows:

31st December 1976
Places available in engineering5,463
Numbers in training in engineering4,094
31st December 1977
Places available in engineering6,300
Numbers in training in engineering3,729

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what are the latest comparable percentage figures for unemployment in each of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development countries for which adjusted unemployment rates are available from Organisation for Economic Co-operation Development sources; and what were the previous quarterly figures during the last four years.

The figures requested as far as available are shown below. However, the OECD has advised that the figures it has published for the United Kingdom are under review and will be revised downwards on its next publication.

1976

1977

1975

1976

First quarter

Second quarter

Third quarter

Fourth quarter

First quarter

Second quarter

Third quarter

United States8·37·57·47·37·77·77·26·96·9
Japan(2·0)(2·1)(2·1)(2·2)(2·1)(2·0)(2·0)(2·1)(2·2)
Germany(3·6)(3·6)(3·8)(3·5)(3·5)(3·4)(3·5)(3·4)(3·6)
France(4·1)(4·6)(4·5)(4·6)(4·6)(4·6)(4·7)(5·3)(5·7)
United Kingdom(5·1)(7·0)(6·4)(7·0)(7·4)(6·9)(6·8)(7·5)(8·1)
Canada7·07·16·87·17·27·37·88·08·2
Italy(6·4)(6·4)(5·9)(6·4)(6·7)(6·6)(7·1)(6·6)(7·9)
Australia4·44·44·44·34·74·14·8(5·2)(5·5)
Finland2·24·03·54·14·24·15·36·06·2
Norway2·01·82·21·91·71·41·51·91·9†
Spain4·05·15·05·05·05·35·45·25·2†
Sweden1·61·61·61·61·61·61·71·61·9
Total‡(5·4)(5·4)(5·3)(5·4)(5·6)(5·5)(5·4)(5·4)(5·6)

* Figures in brackets have been adjusted to international definitions.

† Assuming no change.
‡ Representing about 90 per cent. of total OECD.

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

Departmental Organisations

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will publish details of the boards, commissions, committees or other types of organisations established by his Department since October 1974, giving in each case the purpose of the organisation, the chairman's and members' salaries and expenses, and the total cost of the organisation for each year since 1974.

Body

Date set up

Purpose of the Organisation

Salaries or Fees

Total cost

Farm Safety Steering GroupJanuary 1975 (disbanded February 1976)To advise the Minister on the scope, provision and priorities for health and safety in agriculture, as an interim measure until the Employment Protection Act 1975 came into force.Chairman and members unpaid1975—£287*
Consultative Panel on Badgers and TuberculosisSeptember 1975To keep under review: 1. The evidence relating to bovine tuberculosis in badgers including its incidence and its relationship to bovine tuberculosis in cattle: and 2. The operations to be undertaken by the Ministry in order to eradicate bovine tuberculosis from badgers and to monitor its existence in the badger population.Chairman and members unpaid1975—£540 1976—£531 1977—£723
Poultry Diseases PanelJanuary 1976To advise on the disease problems of importance to the poultry industry and to identify significant contributions on research into poultry disease and encourage their dissemination to the industry.Chairman and members unpaid1976—£342 1977—£260
Agricultural Dwelling-House Advisory CommitteesJanuary 1977In accordance with subsections (3) and (4) of section 28 of the Rent (Agriculture) Act 1976, whenever so requested by a housing authority, or by the applicant or the cottage occupier concerned, an ADHAC is required to advise on the applicant's case for re-housing facilities; and to do so in terms of "the interests of efficient agriculture and regarding the urgency".Chairman: fee of £14 for full day. Members unpaid1977—£25,000†
Coypu Strategy GroupAugust 1977To advise on future strategy for coypu control, including research provision.Chairman and members unpaid1977 (August-December)—£160
Committee of Inquiry into the Acquisition and Occupancy of Agricultural LandSeptember 1977To examine recent trends in agricultural land acquisition and occupancy as they affect the structure of the agricultural industry; and to report.Chairman and members unpaidSeptember 1977 to date—£8,500‡
Travelling and subsistence expenses of chairman and members of all these bodies are reimbursed.

* These figures are made up entirely of travelling and subsistence expenses unless otherwise stated.

† This figure includes chairman's fees and loss of earnings allowances for members.
‡ This figure mainly comprises the running of the committee.

New Zealand Sheepmeat

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food by what percentage he expects imports of New Zealand sheepmeat to be reduced by the end of the first full year of the implementation of the common agricultural policy sheepmeat regime.

The EEC Commission's proposals for a sheepmeat regime, which have only just been released, do not provide for reduction in imports. Nevertheless the United Kingdom Government will continue to make it clear in discussions on the proposals that any arrangements must provide continued adequate access for third country supplies.

Milk

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food why the "Green Top" farm bottled milk is to be banned by 1980; and if he will make a statement.

The decision which the Government announced in August 1975—[Vol. 897, c. 206]—was based on evidence that the risks from certain milk-borne diseases, such as salmonellosis and Q fever, can be minimised only through effective heat treatment. My Department has now sent a letter to interested organisations seeking their comments on the measure in question, and any regulations subsequently introduced will be drafted in the light of the views expressed.

Salmon And Freshwater Fisheries Unit

asked the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will give an understanding that, notwithstanding its transfer from London to Lowestoft, his Department's salmon and freshwater fisheries unit will remain under the control of a freshwater scientist and continue to operate as a separate and identifiable research laboratory.

The reorganisation of my Department's salmon and freshwater research is designed to implement the recommendation of the Fisheries Research and Development Board that three should be the greatest possible integration between freshwater and marine fisheries R & D. The proposed arrangements will continue to provide for the separate identification of the requirements for freshwater fisheries R & D as commissioned by the chief scientist.