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Implementation Of Part Iii Timetable For Implementation

Volume 175: debated on Wednesday 27 June 1990

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.—(1) This Part, other than this section and section 44 below, shall have effect subject to the making of an Order or Orders by the Secretary of State after consultation with such organisations representative of local authorities, users and carers as appear to him to be concerned.

(2) Section 44 below shall have effect from the date of Royal Assent.

(3) No Order shall be made in respect of any other provision of this Part under section 63(2) below except where the Secretary of State is satisfied that the resources available to local authorities are adequate to secure the proper carrying out of their duties in a manner conducive to the interests and welfare of any person for whom community care services may be provided or arranged.

(4) For the purposes of subsection (3) above, no Order shall be made unless the Secretary of State is satisfied that resources sufficient to the requirements of subsection (3) above are available in respect of the implementation by authorities of the functions subject to the Order in the first financial year in which they apply and that such resources are likely to be sufficient in the succeeding four financial years based on his estimate of the likely cost of those functions over those years."

Motion made, and Question proposed, That this House doth disagree with the Lords in the said amendment.— [Mr Kenneth Clarke.]

Question put:

The House divided: Ayes 317, Noes 225.

Division No. 270]

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AYES

Adley, RobertDouglas-Hamilton, Lord James
Aitken, JonathanDover, Den
Alexander, RichardDunn, Bob
Alison, Rt Hon MichaelDykes, Hugh
Allason, RupertEmery, Sir Peter
Amess, DavidEvans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd)
Amos, AlanEvennett, David
Arbuthnot, JamesFairbairn, Sir Nicholas
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham)Fallon, Michael
Arnold, Sir ThomasFarr, Sir John
Ashby, DavidFavell, Tony
Atkins, RobertFenner, Dame Peggy
Atkinson, DavidField, Barry (Isle of Wight)
Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Valley)Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N)Fishburn, John Dudley
Baldry, TonyForman, Nigel
Banks, Robert (Harrogate)Forsyth, Michael (Stirling)
Batiste, SpencerForth, Eric
Bellingham, HenryFowler, Rt Hon Sir Norman
Bendall, VivianFox, Sir Marcus
Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke)Franks, Cecil
Benyon, W.Freeman, Roger
Bevan, David GilroyFrench, Douglas
Biffen, Rt Hon JohnGale, Roger
Blackburn, Dr John G.Gardiner, George
Blaker, Rt Hon Sir PeterGarel-Jones, Tristan
Body, Sir RichardGill, Christopher
Bonsor, Sir NicholasGlyn, Dr Sir Alan
Boscawen, Hon RobertGoodhart, Sir Philip
Boswell, TimGoodlad, Alastair
Bottomley, PeterGoodson-Wickes, Dr Charles
Bottomley, Mrs VirginiaGorman, Mrs Teresa
Bowden, A (Brighton K'pto'n)Gorst, John
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich)Gow, Ian
Bowis, JohnGrant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW)
Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir RhodesGreenway, Harry (Ealing N)
Braine, Rt Hon Sir BernardGreenway, John (Ryedale)
Brandon-Bravo, MartinGregory, Conal
Brazier, JulianGriffiths, Sir Eldon (Bury St E')
Bright, GrahamGriffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N)
Brooke, Rt Hon PeterGrist, Ian
Brown, Michael (Brigg & CI't's)Ground, Patrick
Bruce, Ian (Dorset South)Grylls, Michael
Buck, Sir AntonyGummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn
Burns, SimonHague, William
Burt, AlistairHamilton, Hon Archie (Epsom)
Butcher, JohnHamilton, Neil (Tatton)
Butler, ChrisHampson, Dr Keith
Butterfill, JohnHanley, Jeremy
Carlisle, John. (Luton N)Hannam, John
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln)Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr')
Carrington, MatthewHargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn)
Carttiss, MichaelHarris, David
Cash, WilliamHaselhurst, Alan
Chalker, Rt Hon Mrs LyndaHayes, Jerry
Channon, Rt Hon PaulHayward, Robert
Chapman, SydneyHeathcoat-Amory, David
Chope, ChristopherHeseltine, Rt Hon Michael
Clark, Hon Alan (Plym'th S'n)Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv NE)
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford)Hicks, Robert (Cornwall SE)
Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe)Hill, James
Colvin, MichaelHind, Kenneth
Conway, DerekHogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm)
Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest)Hordern, Sir Peter
Coombs, Simon (Swindon)Howard, Rt Hon Michael
Cope, Rt Hon JohnHowarth, Alan (Strat'd-on-A)
Couchman, JamesHowarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd)
Cran, JamesHowe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey
Critchley, JulianHowell, Rt Hon David (G'dford)
Currie, Mrs EdwinaHughes, Robert G. (Harrow W)
Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g)Hunt, David (Wirral W)
Davis, David (Boothferry)Hunt, Sir John (Ravensbourne)
Day, StephenHunter, Andrew
Devlin, TimHurd, Rt Hon Douglas
Dickens, GeoffreyIrvine, Michael
Dicks, TerryIrving, Sir Charles
Dorrell, StephenJack, Michael

Jackson, RobertPeacock, Mrs Elizabeth
Janman, TimPorter, Barry (Wirral S)
Jessel, TobyPorter, David (Waveney)
Johnson Smith, Sir GeoffreyPortillo, Michael
Jones, Robert B (Herts W)Price, Sir David
Jopling, Rt Hon MichaelRaison, Rt Hon Timothy
Kellett-Bowman, Dame ElaineRathbone, Tim
Key, RobertRedwood, John
King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield)Renton, Rt Hon Tim
King, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwater)Riddick, Graham
Kirkhope, TimothyRidley, Rt Hon Nicholas
Knapman, RogerRidsdale, Sir Julian
Knight, Greg (Derby North)Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm
Knowles, MichaelRoberts, Wyn (Conwy)
Knox, DavidRoe, Mrs Marion
Lang, IanRumbold, Mrs Angela
Latham, MichaelRyder, Richard
Lawson, Rt Hon NigelSackville, Hon Tom
Lee, John (Pendle)Sainsbury, Hon Tim
Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh)Shaw, David (Dover)
Lennox-Boyd, Hon MarkShaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey)
Lester, Jim (Broxtowe)Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb')
Lilley, PeterShelton, Sir William
Lloyd, Sir Ian (Havant)Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW)
Lloyd, Peter (Fareham)Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)
Lord, MichaelShepherd, Richard (Aldridge)
Luce, Rt Hon RichardShersby, Michael
Lyell, Rt Hon Sir NicholasSims, Roger
Macfarlane, Sir NeilSkeet, Sir Trevor
MacGregor, Rt Hon JohnSmith, Sir Dudley (Warwick)
MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire)Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield)
Maclean, DavidSoames, Hon Nicholas
McLoughlin, PatrickSpeller, Tony
McNair-Wilson, Sir MichaelSpicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W)
McNair-Wilson, Sir PatrickSpicer, Michael (S Worcs)
Madel, DavidSquire, Robin
Major, Rt Hon JohnStanbrook, Ivor
Malins, HumfreyStanley, Rt Hon Sir John
Mans, KeithSteen, Anthony
Maples, JohnStern, Michael
Marland, PaulStevens, Lewis
Marlow, TonyStewart, Allan (Eastwood)
Marshall, John (Hendon S)Stewart, Andy (Sherwood)
Marshall, Sir Michael (Arundel)Stewart, Rt Hon Ian (Herts N)
Martin, David (Portsmouth S)Sumberg, David
Maude, Hon FrancisSummerson, Hugo
Maxwell-Hyslop, RobinTapsell, Sir Peter
Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir PatrickTaylor, Ian (Esher)
Mellor, DavidTaylor, John M (Solihull)
Meyer, Sir AnthonyTaylor, Teddy (S'end E)
Miller, Sir HalTebbit, Rt Hon Norman
Mills, IainTemple-Morris, Peter
Miscampbell, NormanThompson, D. (Calder Valley)
Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling)Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N)
Mitchell, Sir DavidThornton, Malcolm
Moate, RogerThurnham, Peter
Monro, Sir HectorTownsend, Cyril D. (B'heath)
Montgomery, Sir FergusTracey, Richard
Morrison, Sir CharlesTrippier, David
Morrison, Rt Hon P (Chester)Trotter, Neville
Moss, MalcolmTwinn, Dr Ian
Moynihan, Hon ColinVaughan, Sir Gerard
Neale, GerrardViggers, Peter
Needham, RichardWakeham, Rt Hon John
Nelson, AnthonyWaldegrave, Rt Hon William
Neubert, MichaelWalden, George
Newton, Rt Hon TonyWalker, Bill (T'side North)
Nicholls, PatrickWaller, Gary
Nicholson, David (Taunton)Ward, John
Nicholson, Emma (Devon West)Wardle, Charles (Bexhill)
Norris, SteveWarren, Kenneth
Onslow, Rt Hon CranleyWells, Bowen
Oppenheim, PhillipWheeler, Sir John
Page, RichardWhitney, Ray
Paice, JamesWiddecombe, Ann
Parkinson, Rt Hon CecilWiggin, Jerry
Patnick, IrvineWilshire, David
Patten, Rt Hon JohnWinterton, Mrs Ann
Pattie, Rt Hon Sir GeoffreyWolfson, Mark
Pawsey, JamesWood, Timothy

Woodcock, Dr. Mike

Tellers for the Ayes:

Yeo, Tim

Mr. Tony Durant and

Young, Sir George (Acton)

Mr. David Lightbown.

NOES

Adams, Allen (Paisley N)Field, Frank (Birkenhead)
Allen, GrahamFields, Terry (L'pool B G'n)
Alton, DavidFisher, Mark
Anderson, DonaldFlannery, Martin
Archer, Rt Hon PeterFlynn, Paul
Armstrong, HilaryFoot, Rt Hon Michael
Ashdown, Rt Hon PaddyFoster, Derek
Ashley, Rt Hon JackFoulkes, George
Ashton, JoeFraser, John
Banks, Tony (Newham NW)Fyfe, Maria
Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE)Galloway, George
Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich)Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John
Barron, KevinGodman, Dr Norman A.
Beckett, MargaretGolding, Mrs Llin
Bell, StuartGould, Bryan
Benn, Rt Hon TonyGraham, Thomas
Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish)Grant, Bernie (Tottenham)
Bermingham, GeraldGriffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S)
Bidwell, SydneyGriffiths, Win (Bridgend)
Blair, TonyGrocott, Bruce
Blunkett, DavidHardy, Peter
Boateng, PaulHarman, Ms Harriet
Boyes, RolandHattersley, Rt Hon Roy
Bradley, KeithHeal, Mrs Sylvia
Brooke, Rt Hon PeterHenderson, Doug
Brown, Gordon (D'mline E)Hinchliffe, David
Brown, Nicholas (Newcastle E)Hoey, Ms Kate (Vauxhall)
Brown, Ron (Edinburgh Leith)Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth)
Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon)Hood, Jimmy
Buckley, George J.Howarth, George (Knowsley N)
Caborn, RichardHowells, Geraint
Callaghan, JimHowells, Dr. Kim (Pontypridd)
Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE)Hoyle, Doug
Campbell, Ron (Blyth Valley)Hughes, John (Coventry NE)
Campbell-Savours, D. N.Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N)
Canavan, DennisHughes, Roy (Newport E)
Carlile, Alex (Mont'g)Hughes, Simon (Southwark)
Carr, MichaelIllsley, Eric
Clark, Dr David (S Shields)Ingram, Adam
Clarke, Tom (Monklands W)Janner, Greville
Clay, BobJohnston, Sir Russell
Clelland, DavidJones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside)
Clwyd, Mrs AnnJones, Ieuan (Ynys Môon)
Cohen, HarryJones, Martyn (Clwyd S W)
Coleman, DonaldKaufman, Rt Hon Gerald
Cook, Frank (Stockton N)Kennedy, Charles
Cook, Robin (Livingston)Kilfedder, James
Corbett, RobinKinnock, Rt Hon Neil
Corbyn, JeremyKirkwood, Archy
Cousins, JimLambie, David
Cox, TomLamond, James
Crowther, StanLeadbitter, Ted
Cryer, BobLeighton, Ron
Cummings, JohnLewis, Terry
Cunliffe, LawrenceLitherland, Robert
Cunningham, Dr JohnLivingstone, Ken
Dalyell, TamLivsey, Richard
Darling, AlistairLloyd, Tony (Stretford)
Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli)Lofthouse, Geoffrey
Davies, Ron (Caerphilly)Loyden, Eddie
Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'I)McAllion, John
Dewar, DonaldMcAvoy, Thomas
Dixon, DonMcCartney, Ian
Dobson, FrankMacdonald, Calum A.
Doran, FrankMcKay, Allen (Barnsley West)
Duffy, A. E. P.McKelvey, William
Dunnachie, JimmyMcLeish, Henry
Dunwoody, Hon Mrs GwynethMcNamara, Kevin
Eastham, KenMadden, Max
Evans, John (St Helens N)Mahon, Mrs Alice
Ewing, Harry (Falkirk E)Marek, Dr John
Ewing, Mrs Margaret (Moray)Marshall, David (Shettleston)
Fatchett, DerekMarshall, Jim (Leicester S)
Fearn, RonaldMartin, Michael J. (Springburn)

Martlew, EricRuddock, Joan
Maxton, JohnSalmond, Alex
Meacher, MichaelSheerman, Barry
Meale, AlanSheldon, Rt Hon Robert
Michael, AlunShore, Rt Hon Peter
Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley)Short, Clare
Michie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute)Skinner, Dennis
Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby)Smith, Andrew (Oxford E)
Moonie, Dr LewisSmith, C. (Isl'ton & F'bury)
Morgan, RhodriSmith, Rt Hon J. (Monk'ds E)
Morley, ElliotSoley, Clive
Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe)Spearing, Nigel
Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)Steel, Rt Hon Sir David
Morris, M (N'hampton S)Steinberg, Gerry
Mowlam, MarjorieStott, Roger
Mullin, ChrisStrang, Gavin
Murphy, PaulStraw, Jack
Nellist, DaveTaylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury)
Oakes, Rt Hon GordonTaylor, Matthew (Truro)
O'Brien, WilliamThomas, Dr Dafydd Elis
O'Neill, MartinThompson, Jack (Wansbeck)
Orme, Rt Hon StanleyTurner, Dennis
Parry, RobertVaz, Keith
Patchett, TerryWallace, James
Pendry, TomWalley, Joan
Pike, Peter L.Watson, Mike (Glasgow, C)
Powell, Ray (Ogmore)Welsh, Andrew (Angus E)
Prescott, JohnWelsh, Michael (Doncaster N)
Primarolo, DawnWigley, Dafydd
Quin, Ms JoyceWilliams, Rt Hon Alan
Randall, StuartWilliams, Alan W. (Carm'then)
Redmond, MartinWilson, Brian
Rees, Rt Hon MerlynWinnick, David
Reid, Dr JohnWise, Mrs Audrey
Richardson, JoWorthington, Tony
Robertson, GeorgeWray, Jimmy
Robinson, GeoffreyYoung, David (Bolton SE)
Rogers, Allan
Rooker, Jeff

Tellers for the Noes:

Ross, Ernie (Dundee W)

Mr. Frank Haynes and

Rowlands, Ted

Mr. Robert N. Wareing.

Question accordingly agreed to.

Lords amendment: No. 72, before clause 40 to insert the following new clause—